Re: [VFB] Question for everybody about blood clots??
Joyce: Thanks a lot. And yeah, as soon as she woke up at 4:30am this morning in severe pain, and couldn’t get a deep breath, we didn’t worry about driving to the ER, but called 911 and got her there in an Ambulance. She is feeling a little better tonight. She has a great doc who even though we may not see her but once a day, keeps in touch with the nurses station all the time, cause she put my wife on new meds all day, as well as ordering new X-Rays, blood tests etc. My wife has been coughing up little specks of blood and that scared me to death, but they are telling us that that is a GOOD sign because it needs to get all that out of her lungs, which is why her doc started ordering breathing treatments 2-3 times a day now. To get that stuff coughed up, and to ward off pneumonia even though it hurts really bad to cough. And the nurse my wife has tonight just got over this SAME thing herself and in fact, JUST came back to work a week or two ago, and she said that YES. it hurts BAD. And she said that too, that it has been a long road to total recovery. I’m just glad she had a doc and nurses who are caring, and take time to explain what’s going on, and just seem to genuinely care in general. Thanks a LOT for all the info. Many ppl don’t want to hear all the ‘gory details” but we are just the opposite. We like to know what we might expect both good and/or bad. Thanks again, Chuck From: Joyce M Westphal Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:11 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Question for everybody about blood clots?? I forgot to mention, with regard to the pain. You will get an idea of what hypoxic pain is like, for that is what the pain from blood clots is, pain that blocks oxygen to areas of the lungs, if you will tie a string tightly around your finger and see how painful it is as your finger turns blue. Interestingly, one of the methods of torture during the inquisition was to place tourniquets on the limbs and watch the victim suffer. When we know that we will have to use a tourniquet on a limb for foot surgery, we place the patient under general anesthesia because hypoxic pain is very severe. Even under an anesthetic, after about 1/2 hour with the tourniquet, the blood pressure begins to rise and Fentanyl, our most reliable and potent adjunct, doesn't really control the response after 1-2 hours. So yes, the pain is severe, but she must note whether the pain areas or quality of pain changes as well..in short, does she have sudden increase in, or a much more intense pain or a new area that suddenly or even gradually becomes more painful. Hope this helps and prayers continue. Recovery is very possible, but long and painful. Joyce On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Joyce M Westphal wrote: My brother in law suffered from them for almost 3 months, As previously stated, the coumadin only prevents new ones from forming, the old ones have to slowly dissolve by themselves. Watch her carefully, however. If she suddenly has a marked increase in pain or shortness of breath, get her to the ER right away as sometimes a clot can move and block a new and more important area of the lung or heart. Having said that, and not to scare you, but our anesthesiologist simply bumped his shin on a bed at home, a small bruise, he thought *(and remember, he's an MD) . He ended up with full blown septecemia after a pneumonia, respiratory distress syndrome, then into total organ shut down, dialysis to try and save his kidneys and ICU intubated for a week, in ICU, then Intermediate care for another two weeks and it has taken him six months to even begin to feel better. Incredibly, he did survive, thanks to modern medicine and great doctors. So, as previously stated, watch her carefully and if you have any concerns, don't be afraid to go back to the ER and demand they take another look. She should have another followup X-ray in about 2 weeks. Joyce On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 5:06 PM, wrote: Chuck, Clots in the lungs can be very painful and the pain can last for a few days. Even though she is being treated, the clots are still there, they just don't go away overnite. The coumadin just prevents more clots to form, it is up to the body's own defenseses to get rid of the clot. And that can take quite some time. So it is a long process to recover from... Ron Chuck Alexander wrote: > Folks: Here’s the situation on my wife. The doc came in just a little bit ago and said the X-Rays etc showed that the blood clot(s) had evidently not completely dissolved and passed from the other day. She had told us outright the other day that since my wife’s new to her job and has no insurance, that she was sending her home a day or two earlier than had she had good insurance. Ain’t that how it goes??? Anyway, to quote my wife this morning “This is more painful than having a baby”. And it’s going to get worse before it gets better acco
Re: [VFB] Chuck's wife/ Our daughter
Gary, prayers for your daughter as well. I am hoping that they will find a tiny stone that slid down into the common duct and that is causing the problem and can be easily removed with the laparoscope. However, if that is not the case, then we all pray and wait with you. Keep us informed please. Joyce On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Gary Webb wrote: > Chuck, > I'm sorry to hear that your wife is back in the hospital. I can truly > emphathize with you, because our youngest daughter Amanda is back in the > hospital for the third time because of continuing pain after having her > gall bladder removed early last week. Her surgeon told her this morning > that she is trying to make up all by herself the list of complications > patients may have following this procedure. Waiting for tests results to > verify whether she has pancreatitis. They are also doing an ultrasound > to check the vessels to the liver and the pancreas. And they are > keeping her here for two or three days on IV's and liquids until they are > sure she can eat without incurring severe pain. One benefit of working > here is she is only four floors up and down a couple of corridors. I will > visit her shortly to see what the latest news is. Prayers are desired and > always appreciated. Thanks > > Gary > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Chuck Alexander < > chuckalexan...@centurylink.net> wrote: > >> She's back in the hospital as of 4:30am, cause the pain got worse and >> worse, and we don't know if she has another clot, or because she has >> slept >> in that HARD, UNCOMFORTABLE hospital bed, then came home to our memory >> foam >> mattress, but it was hard on her breathing, so she tried sleeping in my >> recliner, and that thing is comfortable, but not good to sleep on. They >> did >> a ton of new tests, and are just awaiting results and keeping her >> comfortable now till the doc consults with the other docs to develop a >> plan >> of action I guess. You know how hospital's are, the patient, and family >> are >> the last to know anything. Chuck >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: 05/26/13 >> >> -- >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" >> group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en >> >> VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VFB Mail" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" > group. > > To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > > VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VFB Mail" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [VFB] Question for everybody about blood clots??
I forgot to mention, with regard to the pain. You will get an idea of what hypoxic pain is like, for that is what the pain from blood clots is, pain that blocks oxygen to areas of the lungs, if you will tie a string tightly around your finger and see how painful it is as your finger turns blue. Interestingly, one of the methods of torture during the inquisition was to place tourniquets on the limbs and watch the victim suffer. When we know that we will have to use a tourniquet on a limb for foot surgery, we place the patient under general anesthesia because hypoxic pain is very severe. Even under an anesthetic, after about 1/2 hour with the tourniquet, the blood pressure begins to rise and Fentanyl, our most reliable and potent adjunct, doesn't really control the response after 1-2 hours. So yes, the pain is severe, but she must note whether the pain areas or quality of pain changes as well..in short, does she have sudden increase in, or a much more intense pain or a new area that suddenly or even gradually becomes more painful. Hope this helps and prayers continue. Recovery is very possible, but long and painful. Joyce On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Joyce M Westphal wrote: > My brother in law suffered from them for almost 3 months, As previously > stated, the coumadin only prevents new ones from forming, the old ones have > to slowly dissolve by themselves. Watch her carefully, however. If she > suddenly has a marked increase in pain or shortness of breath, get her to > the ER right away as sometimes a clot can move and block a new and more > important area of the lung or heart. >Having said that, and not to scare you, but our anesthesiologist simply > bumped his shin on a bed at home, a small bruise, he thought *(and > remember, he's an MD) . He ended up with full blown septecemia after a > pneumonia, respiratory distress syndrome, then into total organ shut down, > dialysis to try and save his kidneys and ICU intubated for a week, in ICU, > then Intermediate care for another two weeks and it has taken him six > months to even begin to feel better. Incredibly, he did survive, thanks to > modern medicine and great doctors. So, as previously stated, watch her > carefully and if you have any concerns, don't be afraid to go back to the > ER and demand they take another look. She should have another followup > X-ray in about 2 weeks. Joyce > > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 5:06 PM, wrote: > >> Chuck, Clots in the lungs can be very painful and the pain can last for a >> few days. Even though she is being treated, the clots are still there, they >> just don't go away overnite. The coumadin just prevents more clots to form, >> it is up to the body's own defenseses to get rid of the clot. And that can >> take quite some time. So it is a long process to recover from... >> >> Ron >> Chuck Alexander wrote: >> > Folks: Here’s the situation on my wife. The doc came in just a little >> bit ago and said the X-Rays etc showed that the blood clot(s) had evidently >> not completely dissolved and passed from the other day. She had told us >> outright the other day that since my wife’s new to her job and has no >> insurance, that she was sending her home a day or two earlier than had she >> had good insurance. Ain’t that how it goes??? Anyway, to quote my wife >> this morning “This is more painful than having a baby”. And it’s going to >> get worse before it gets better according to the doc because they are >> having to give her breathing treatments, to ward off pneumonia, because she >> tries to hold back the coughing and deep breathing because it hurts a lot >> worse to breath deeply or to cough. But, the doc says that she MUST cough >> to get the lungs clear both of the clots and to stop pneumonia. They now >> have her in dilaudid (sp) for pain. >> > >> > Now, my question for everybody is this. Or at least to anybody who may >> have ever had a blood clot in their lungs. Are blood clots REALLY that >> painful??? I mean, I know they are, cause my wife has a high threshold for >> pain, but is the doc being totally honest in that THAT is what is causing >> THAT much pain??? The doc says that THAT much severe pain is “normal” in >> having and/or getting rid of blood clots. Is the doc being totally >> honest??? If so, how long should the pain last from the onset of >> treatment??? I know everybody is different, and the number, size, and >> location of the clots all play into it, but this has me worried that the >> doc isn’t being totally honest about this??? Thanks for ANY answers in >> advance. Chuck >> > >> > >> > >> > - >> > No virus found in this message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: >> 05/26/13 >> > >> > -- >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" >> group. >> > >> > To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: [VFB] Question for everybody about blood clots??
My brother in law suffered from them for almost 3 months, As previously stated, the coumadin only prevents new ones from forming, the old ones have to slowly dissolve by themselves. Watch her carefully, however. If she suddenly has a marked increase in pain or shortness of breath, get her to the ER right away as sometimes a clot can move and block a new and more important area of the lung or heart. Having said that, and not to scare you, but our anesthesiologist simply bumped his shin on a bed at home, a small bruise, he thought *(and remember, he's an MD) . He ended up with full blown septecemia after a pneumonia, respiratory distress syndrome, then into total organ shut down, dialysis to try and save his kidneys and ICU intubated for a week, in ICU, then Intermediate care for another two weeks and it has taken him six months to even begin to feel better. Incredibly, he did survive, thanks to modern medicine and great doctors. So, as previously stated, watch her carefully and if you have any concerns, don't be afraid to go back to the ER and demand they take another look. She should have another followup X-ray in about 2 weeks. Joyce On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 5:06 PM, wrote: > Chuck, Clots in the lungs can be very painful and the pain can last for a > few days. Even though she is being treated, the clots are still there, they > just don't go away overnite. The coumadin just prevents more clots to form, > it is up to the body's own defenseses to get rid of the clot. And that can > take quite some time. So it is a long process to recover from... > > Ron > Chuck Alexander wrote: > > Folks: Here’s the situation on my wife. The doc came in just a little > bit ago and said the X-Rays etc showed that the blood clot(s) had evidently > not completely dissolved and passed from the other day. She had told us > outright the other day that since my wife’s new to her job and has no > insurance, that she was sending her home a day or two earlier than had she > had good insurance. Ain’t that how it goes??? Anyway, to quote my wife > this morning “This is more painful than having a baby”. And it’s going to > get worse before it gets better according to the doc because they are > having to give her breathing treatments, to ward off pneumonia, because she > tries to hold back the coughing and deep breathing because it hurts a lot > worse to breath deeply or to cough. But, the doc says that she MUST cough > to get the lungs clear both of the clots and to stop pneumonia. They now > have her in dilaudid (sp) for pain. > > > > Now, my question for everybody is this. Or at least to anybody who may > have ever had a blood clot in their lungs. Are blood clots REALLY that > painful??? I mean, I know they are, cause my wife has a high threshold for > pain, but is the doc being totally honest in that THAT is what is causing > THAT much pain??? The doc says that THAT much severe pain is “normal” in > having and/or getting rid of blood clots. Is the doc being totally > honest??? If so, how long should the pain last from the onset of > treatment??? I know everybody is different, and the number, size, and > location of the clots all play into it, but this has me worried that the > doc isn’t being totally honest about this??? Thanks for ANY answers in > advance. Chuck > > > > > > > > - > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: 05/26/13 > > > > -- > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" > group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > > > > VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "VFB Mail" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" > group. > > To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > > VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VFB Mail" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to
Re: [VFB] Question for everybody about blood clots??
Chuck, Clots in the lungs can be very painful and the pain can last for a few days. Even though she is being treated, the clots are still there, they just don't go away overnite. The coumadin just prevents more clots to form, it is up to the body's own defenseses to get rid of the clot. And that can take quite some time. So it is a long process to recover from... Ron Chuck Alexander wrote: > Folks: Here’s the situation on my wife. The doc came in just a little bit ago > and said the X-Rays etc showed that the blood clot(s) had evidently not > completely dissolved and passed from the other day. She had told us outright > the other day that since my wife’s new to her job and has no insurance, that > she was sending her home a day or two earlier than had she had good > insurance. Ain’t that how it goes??? Anyway, to quote my wife this morning > “This is more painful than having a baby”. And it’s going to get worse > before it gets better according to the doc because they are having to give > her breathing treatments, to ward off pneumonia, because she tries to hold > back the coughing and deep breathing because it hurts a lot worse to breath > deeply or to cough. But, the doc says that she MUST cough to get the lungs > clear both of the clots and to stop pneumonia. They now have her in dilaudid > (sp) for pain. > > Now, my question for everybody is this. Or at least to anybody who may have > ever had a blood clot in their lungs. Are blood clots REALLY that painful??? > I mean, I know they are, cause my wife has a high threshold for pain, but is > the doc being totally honest in that THAT is what is causing THAT much > pain??? The doc says that THAT much severe pain is “normal” in having and/or > getting rid of blood clots. Is the doc being totally honest??? If so, how > long should the pain last from the onset of treatment??? I know everybody is > different, and the number, size, and location of the clots all play into it, > but this has me worried that the doc isn’t being totally honest about this??? > Thanks for ANY answers in advance. Chuck > > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: 05/26/13 > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. > > To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > > VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VFB Mail" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[VFB] JM
WOW! A bunch of "gordjus" flies landed in my mailbox this afternoon. The Jimmy Moore swap was a success. I'm going to have to try to duplicate a bunch of 'em. They look like some real fish-catchers. At least they caught this Fish. a.f. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[VFB] Tony fishin / Swap flies
Tony, Good to hear that you got out and the boat wet! My JD fly swap flies arrived today. Really a nice bunch of flies! Thanks to all that participated and a Special Thank You to Rick. Ya all done good (My fly is my version of a Yellow Sally) It is my go to fly and has caught many trout for me. (sorry, I see I did not name it on my toe tag) bad Denny Denny On 5/28/13 4:59 PM, Anthony Spezio wrote: It made up for the frustration on the river. GOOD FOR YOU! a.f. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. <>
Re: [VFB] The last few days fishing, very long
On 5/28/13 4:59 PM, Anthony Spezio wrote: It made up for the frustration on the river. GOOD FOR YOU! a.f. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: SIMPLE ANSWER: Re: [VFB] Question for everybody about blood clots??
The question of “how can something that little cause that much pain” is probably the same question ppl ask right before they pass a little bitty kidney stone . Chuck From: Allan Fish Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:46 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: SIMPLE ANSWER: Re: [VFB] Question for everybody about blood clots?? Are blood clots REALLY that painful??? YES! But really, that's a question for Joyce W. to answer. a.f. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: 05/26/13 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: 05/26/13 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [VFB] Question for everybody about blood clots??
Birdie: Thanks a lot. She’s only been on the blood thinners for the 5th day today, so maybe the next cpl days will start to get better. Her doc told us today that it would probably “get worse right before it gets better”. If that’s true, maybe the worst part is just about over and she’ll make that turn to recovery after tonight. Chuck From: Brian Burgess Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 4:09 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [VFB] Question for everybody about blood clots?? Chuck When I had them I did not have much pain but got breathless very quickly. I guess everybody is different and could depend on where the clots are lodged but after about a week on Klexane which is a blood thinner I felt a whole lot better. Hope this helps. Birdie From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Alexander Sent: 28 May 2013 19:40 To: Cheaper Living; fly fishing for panfish; vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: [VFB] Question for everybody about blood clots?? Folks: Here’s the situation on my wife. The doc came in just a little bit ago and said the X-Rays etc showed that the blood clot(s) had evidently not completely dissolved and passed from the other day. She had told us outright the other day that since my wife’s new to her job and has no insurance, that she was sending her home a day or two earlier than had she had good insurance. Ain’t that how it goes??? Anyway, to quote my wife this morning “This is more painful than having a baby”. And it’s going to get worse before it gets better according to the doc because they are having to give her breathing treatments, to ward off pneumonia, because she tries to hold back the coughing and deep breathing because it hurts a lot worse to breath deeply or to cough. But, the doc says that she MUST cough to get the lungs clear both of the clots and to stop pneumonia. They now have her in dilaudid (sp) for pain. Now, my question for everybody is this. Or at least to anybody who may have ever had a blood clot in their lungs. Are blood clots REALLY that painful??? I mean, I know they are, cause my wife has a high threshold for pain, but is the doc being totally honest in that THAT is what is causing THAT much pain??? The doc says that THAT much severe pain is “normal” in having and/or getting rid of blood clots. Is the doc being totally honest??? If so, how long should the pain last from the onset of treatment??? I know everybody is different, and the number, size, and location of the clots all play into it, but this has me worried that the doc isn’t being totally honest about this??? Thanks for ANY answers in advance. Chuck No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: 05/26/13 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3184/6364 - Release Date: 05/28/13 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: 05/26/13 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: 05/26/13 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesen
RE: [VFB] Question for everybody about blood clots??
Chuck When I had them I did not have much pain but got breathless very quickly. I guess everybody is different and could depend on where the clots are lodged but after about a week on Klexane which is a blood thinner I felt a whole lot better. Hope this helps. Birdie From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Alexander Sent: 28 May 2013 19:40 To: Cheaper Living; fly fishing for panfish; vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: [VFB] Question for everybody about blood clots?? Folks: Here's the situation on my wife. The doc came in just a little bit ago and said the X-Rays etc showed that the blood clot(s) had evidently not completely dissolved and passed from the other day. She had told us outright the other day that since my wife's new to her job and has no insurance, that she was sending her home a day or two earlier than had she had good insurance. Ain't that how it goes??? Anyway, to quote my wife this morning "This is more painful than having a baby". And it's going to get worse before it gets better according to the doc because they are having to give her breathing treatments, to ward off pneumonia, because she tries to hold back the coughing and deep breathing because it hurts a lot worse to breath deeply or to cough. But, the doc says that she MUST cough to get the lungs clear both of the clots and to stop pneumonia. They now have her in dilaudid (sp) for pain. Now, my question for everybody is this. Or at least to anybody who may have ever had a blood clot in their lungs. Are blood clots REALLY that painful??? I mean, I know they are, cause my wife has a high threshold for pain, but is the doc being totally honest in that THAT is what is causing THAT much pain??? The doc says that THAT much severe pain is "normal" in having and/or getting rid of blood clots. Is the doc being totally honest??? If so, how long should the pain last from the onset of treatment??? I know everybody is different, and the number, size, and location of the clots all play into it, but this has me worried that the doc isn't being totally honest about this??? Thanks for ANY answers in advance. Chuck No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: 05/26/13 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3184/6364 - Release Date: 05/28/13 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[VFB] The last few days fishing, very long
My son and two of his friends came up for a few days of Trout fishing. They got here on Friday afternoon and we took the boat out the first time since last year. It was a beautiful day but they had four units running so the river was a bit high. Too high to wade. With four of us in the boat, I could not fly fish, they were spin fishing. I went along and ran the boat. They caught and released several nice size Trout while drifting. Saturday morning it was real chilly but the dam was shut down. We left my dock as soon as the fog lifted and headed up to Tucker Shoals 1/2 mile up river from my house. Low and behold, someone was already in the spot that I wanted to fish. They were chucking corn by the hand full. This really ticked me off. I managed to get by them and above them. This area is real shallow and not the best spot on the shoals. My son and his two friends got out and waded and I tried to get on a good spot to anchor the boat. I am not able to wade yet. I did not want to drift down river and get too far from my son and his friends. I had a Chili Demon tied on so I fished with that fly. I caught a real nice Rainbow that was colored real bright. A beautiful Trout about 16". It was not too long when I heard a yell. One of my son's friends fell in. I managed to get to him and took him back to the house. Headed back up to the shoals and it looked like the river grew a bunch of boats. Most did not know what they were doing. They motored in front of me and cut me off. Coming out of my dock, I almost got run into by another boat. Got back up to the shoals and the other boat was sill there chucking corn. The other one of my sons friends caught a big Brown I was told. My son said it was about 24". I did not see it. Terry ended up falling in trying to land it so I took him back to the house. I got back up to the shoals and got a call on my cell phone from a visiting friend, he was at my house and wanted to fish with me. Back to the dock to pick him up. When I left the dock, something happened to my tiller. I was having a hard time shifting and controlling the throttle. I managed to get back up to Tucker and start fishing again. I let my friend off to wade. The water at the pool was flat and smooth as glass, no breeze at all. Fish were rising all over the place but I could not see any bugs. I must of changed flies a dozen times but no hits. I did notice a very small midge like bug on my hand and wondered if that was what they were taking. It was about a sz 32. My friend waded back over to where I was and tried several flies but did no good. He is a far better fly fisherman than I am. Then all of a sudden the wind came up and I decided I had enough. More and more idiots on the water. My son waded over and was ready to come in too. My friend was staying at the resort 1/2 mile from my house so he asked if I could take him back there so his wife would not have to come to the house to get him, That brought on another problem. The channel is real narrow with thick weeds on one side and gravel bars on the other side. There were boats in the channel fishing and they had no regards for the boats that were trying to use the channel. I got down to the resort ok but coming back up the current was a problem with the throttle not working like it should. I got on a gravel bar and got hung up. My son had to get out of the boat and pull it along. Boats were coming down the channel and would not give us an inch. My son finally pulled me back up to the dock. By now I was really ticked off. I normally would not go out on a holiday weekend. I checked the tiller and found a screw that holds a bracket for the shifting and throttle rod had fallen out. Not sure what size screw it was, we decided to go to the Mercury dealer and get a screw. We went to the three dealers in the area and none of then had a replacement screw. I finally found one at the hardware store and fixed the problem. They wanted to go back out on Sunday but the dam was running five units, Too much water for me to take the boat out. They went to a friends pond but did not stay long. The pond was loaded with moss. Later in the day the dam dropped down to three units so the boys took the boat up to White Hole for a five mile drift. I did not go with them as Dot thought I was pushing it a bit. They only caught six Trout between them in that five miles where last year they caught over 50 trout. They left on Monday morning and I took a long nap. Today Dot had another appointment with the doctor and I took my fly rod along. It was overcast and the wind blowing a gale. I had a sz 12 foam Black ant tied on so I started with that. On the second cast I caught a fair sized Largmouth. A few casts later another one but I was still fighting the slimy moss along the bank. I caught my third Bass when I heard a horn honk. It was my wife ready to leave. She was only there for less than a half hour. I got to fish for about twe
Re: [VFB] Chuck's wife/ Our daughter
Amanda and Billie and Gary and Chuck are in my prayers. a. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
SIMPLE ANSWER: Re: [VFB] Question for everybody about blood clots??
Are blood clots REALLY that painful??? *YES!* But really, that's a question for Joyce W. to answer. a.f. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [VFB] My wife's update
Thanks Mike. If anybody makes a posts like this and I don’t answer it specifically, please know that it is GREATLY appreciated for sure, Chuck From: Michael Bliss Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:58 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] My wife's update We're thinking about you and praying for your wife. Mike On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Chuck Alexander wrote: She's back in the hospital as of 4:30am, cause the pain got worse and worse, and we don't know if she has another clot, or because she has slept in that HARD, UNCOMFORTABLE hospital bed, then came home to our memory foam mattress, but it was hard on her breathing, so she tried sleeping in my recliner, and that thing is comfortable, but not good to sleep on. They did a ton of new tests, and are just awaiting results and keeping her comfortable now till the doc consults with the other docs to develop a plan of action I guess. You know how hospital's are, the patient, and family are the last to know anything. Chuck No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: 05/26/13 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:vfb-mail%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Mike Bliss Aloha from Hawaii -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: 05/26/13 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: 05/26/13 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [VFB] Chuck's wife/ Our daughter
Jerry: Thanks a lot, Chuck From: J Mck Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:24 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Chuck's wife/ Our daughter Our prayers go out to both families Jerry McKaughan P.O. Box 85 Pottsville, AR 72858 www.caddisflyfishers.org From: Gary Webb To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Chuck's wife/ Our daughter Chuck, I'm sorry to hear that your wife is back in the hospital. I can truly emphathize with you, because our youngest daughter Amanda is back in the hospital for the third time because of continuing pain after having her gall bladder removed early last week. Her surgeon told her this morning that she is trying to make up all by herself the list of complications patients may have following this procedure. Waiting for tests results to verify whether she has pancreatitis. They are also doing an ultrasound to check the vessels to the liver and the pancreas. And they are keeping her here for two or three days on IV's and liquids until they are sure she can eat without incurring severe pain. One benefit of working here is she is only four floors up and down a couple of corridors. I will visit her shortly to see what the latest news is. Prayers are desired and always appreciated. Thanks Gary On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Chuck Alexander wrote: She's back in the hospital as of 4:30am, cause the pain got worse and worse, and we don't know if she has another clot, or because she has slept in that HARD, UNCOMFORTABLE hospital bed, then came home to our memory foam mattress, but it was hard on her breathing, so she tried sleeping in my recliner, and that thing is comfortable, but not good to sleep on. They did a ton of new tests, and are just awaiting results and keeping her comfortable now till the doc consults with the other docs to develop a plan of action I guess. You know how hospital's are, the patient, and family are the last to know anything. Chuck No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: 05/26/13 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:vfb-mail%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: 05/26/13 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: 05/26/13 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.l
Re: [VFB] Chuck's wife/ Our daughter
Gary: Thanks, and I’m sorry to hear about your daughter, and will keep her and the family in my thoughts and prayers as well. It hurts having somebody you love in that kind of pain. I would give anything if I could trade places with my wife. I know a lot of ppl say that, but I’d do it in a minute. Chuck From: Gary Webb Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:20 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Chuck's wife/ Our daughter Chuck, I'm sorry to hear that your wife is back in the hospital. I can truly emphathize with you, because our youngest daughter Amanda is back in the hospital for the third time because of continuing pain after having her gall bladder removed early last week. Her surgeon told her this morning that she is trying to make up all by herself the list of complications patients may have following this procedure. Waiting for tests results to verify whether she has pancreatitis. They are also doing an ultrasound to check the vessels to the liver and the pancreas. And they are keeping her here for two or three days on IV's and liquids until they are sure she can eat without incurring severe pain. One benefit of working here is she is only four floors up and down a couple of corridors. I will visit her shortly to see what the latest news is. Prayers are desired and always appreciated. Thanks Gary On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Chuck Alexander wrote: She's back in the hospital as of 4:30am, cause the pain got worse and worse, and we don't know if she has another clot, or because she has slept in that HARD, UNCOMFORTABLE hospital bed, then came home to our memory foam mattress, but it was hard on her breathing, so she tried sleeping in my recliner, and that thing is comfortable, but not good to sleep on. They did a ton of new tests, and are just awaiting results and keeping her comfortable now till the doc consults with the other docs to develop a plan of action I guess. You know how hospital's are, the patient, and family are the last to know anything. Chuck No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: 05/26/13 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:vfb-mail%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: 05/26/13 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: 05/26/13 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[VFB] Question for everybody about blood clots??
Folks: Here’s the situation on my wife. The doc came in just a little bit ago and said the X-Rays etc showed that the blood clot(s) had evidently not completely dissolved and passed from the other day. She had told us outright the other day that since my wife’s new to her job and has no insurance, that she was sending her home a day or two earlier than had she had good insurance. Ain’t that how it goes??? Anyway, to quote my wife this morning “This is more painful than having a baby”. And it’s going to get worse before it gets better according to the doc because they are having to give her breathing treatments, to ward off pneumonia, because she tries to hold back the coughing and deep breathing because it hurts a lot worse to breath deeply or to cough. But, the doc says that she MUST cough to get the lungs clear both of the clots and to stop pneumonia. They now have her in dilaudid (sp) for pain. Now, my question for everybody is this. Or at least to anybody who may have ever had a blood clot in their lungs. Are blood clots REALLY that painful??? I mean, I know they are, cause my wife has a high threshold for pain, but is the doc being totally honest in that THAT is what is causing THAT much pain??? The doc says that THAT much severe pain is “normal” in having and/or getting rid of blood clots. Is the doc being totally honest??? If so, how long should the pain last from the onset of treatment??? I know everybody is different, and the number, size, and location of the clots all play into it, but this has me worried that the doc isn’t being totally honest about this??? Thanks for ANY answers in advance. Chuck - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: 05/26/13 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [VFB] Chuck's wife/ Our daughter
Our prayers go out to both families Jerry McKaughan P.O. Box 85 Pottsville, AR 72858 www.caddisflyfishers.org From: Gary Webb To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Chuck's wife/ Our daughter Chuck, I'm sorry to hear that your wife is back in the hospital. I can truly emphathize with you, because our youngest daughter Amanda is back in the hospital for the third time because of continuing pain after having her gall bladder removed early last week. Her surgeon told her this morning that she is trying to make up all by herself the list of complications patients may have following this procedure. Waiting for tests results to verify whether she has pancreatitis. They are also doing an ultrasound to check the vessels to the liver and the pancreas. And they are keeping her here for two or three days on IV's and liquids until they are sure she can eat without incurring severe pain. One benefit of working here is she is only four floors up and down a couple of corridors. I will visit her shortly to see what the latest news is. Prayers are desired and always appreciated. Thanks Gary On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Chuck Alexander wrote: She's back in the hospital as of 4:30am, cause the pain got worse and >worse, and we don't know if she has another clot, or because she has slept >in that HARD, UNCOMFORTABLE hospital bed, then came home to our memory foam >mattress, but it was hard on her breathing, so she tried sleeping in my >recliner, and that thing is comfortable, but not good to sleep on. They did >a ton of new tests, and are just awaiting results and keeping her >comfortable now till the doc consults with the other docs to develop a plan >of action I guess. You know how hospital's are, the patient, and family are >the last to know anything. Chuck > >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: 05/26/13-- >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. > >To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > >VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com >--- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB >Mail" group. >To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [VFB] Chuck's wife/ Our daughter
Chuck, I'm sorry to hear that your wife is back in the hospital. I can truly emphathize with you, because our youngest daughter Amanda is back in the hospital for the third time because of continuing pain after having her gall bladder removed early last week. Her surgeon told her this morning that she is trying to make up all by herself the list of complications patients may have following this procedure. Waiting for tests results to verify whether she has pancreatitis. They are also doing an ultrasound to check the vessels to the liver and the pancreas. And they are keeping her here for two or three days on IV's and liquids until they are sure she can eat without incurring severe pain. One benefit of working here is she is only four floors up and down a couple of corridors. I will visit her shortly to see what the latest news is. Prayers are desired and always appreciated. Thanks Gary On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Chuck Alexander < chuckalexan...@centurylink.net> wrote: > She's back in the hospital as of 4:30am, cause the pain got worse and > worse, and we don't know if she has another clot, or because she has slept > in that HARD, UNCOMFORTABLE hospital bed, then came home to our memory > foam > mattress, but it was hard on her breathing, so she tried sleeping in my > recliner, and that thing is comfortable, but not good to sleep on. They > did > a ton of new tests, and are just awaiting results and keeping her > comfortable now till the doc consults with the other docs to develop a > plan > of action I guess. You know how hospital's are, the patient, and family > are > the last to know anything. Chuck > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: 05/26/13 > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" > group. > > To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > > VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VFB Mail" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[VFB] Jimmy D. Swap
I recd my flies today and a fine bunch they are. Talk about diversity Cant wait to try them out. I’ll bet the small mouth will love a few of them. Thank You, Alan Di Somma - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3184/6363 - Release Date: 05/28/13 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [VFB] My wife's update
We're thinking about you and praying for your wife. Mike On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Chuck Alexander < chuckalexan...@centurylink.net> wrote: > She's back in the hospital as of 4:30am, cause the pain got worse and > worse, and we don't know if she has another clot, or because she has slept > in that HARD, UNCOMFORTABLE hospital bed, then came home to our memory > foam > mattress, but it was hard on her breathing, so she tried sleeping in my > recliner, and that thing is comfortable, but not good to sleep on. They > did > a ton of new tests, and are just awaiting results and keeping her > comfortable now till the doc consults with the other docs to develop a > plan > of action I guess. You know how hospital's are, the patient, and family > are > the last to know anything. Chuck > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: 05/26/13 > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" > group. > > To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > > VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VFB Mail" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- Mike Bliss Aloha from Hawaii -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[VFB] My wife's update
She's back in the hospital as of 4:30am, cause the pain got worse and worse, and we don't know if she has another clot, or because she has slept in that HARD, UNCOMFORTABLE hospital bed, then came home to our memory foam mattress, but it was hard on her breathing, so she tried sleeping in my recliner, and that thing is comfortable, but not good to sleep on. They did a ton of new tests, and are just awaiting results and keeping her comfortable now till the doc consults with the other docs to develop a plan of action I guess. You know how hospital's are, the patient, and family are the last to know anything. Chuck - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3184/6359 - Release Date: 05/26/13 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VFB Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vfb-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[VFB] Chuck- Dollar Daze & Flies to send- DonO
Chuck, Reality check... NO ONE says they’re sorry any more. That an admission of guilt and a taking of responsibility. People just don’t do that anymore. It’s always the other guy’s fault. Need any more flies? I culled my inventory again and have a load of them I can send you. Also, tell me what flies you can tie to sell, and I will see if I have the materials and hooks for that pattern to send you. I have lots of common chenille and hackles for bugger-type panfish flies. DonO From: Chuck Alexander Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 10:42 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Prayers needed for my wife This is all true. You just don’t think about all this stuff when it happens. We just want an apology. I can tell you one thing. They can have all the lawyers they want, but my BIG MOUTH, spreading the word will cost them more in lost sales than any lawyer could save them just by saying they were at least sorry it happened. Chuck From: Don Ordes Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:23 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Prayers needed for my wife Chuck, You should never leave the premises that you get injured on without calling a cop and filling out a report. This is legal proof, plus getting any eye-witnesses reports to the officer. Dollar can argue against any photos after the fact. Next best thing is event eye-witnesses written accounts (if you can after you left) and then store security camera footage. Their lawyers are paid to look for any loop-hold to get them off the hook. DonO From: Chuck Alexander Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 7:57 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Prayers needed for my wife Don: Sorry to hear about that. I’m with Joyce and think your friend died from a blood clot that went to her heart. We JUST got my wife home. Have to follow up with our family doc Tuesday to get another “INR” (test to determine blood thickness/thinness I guess is what it actually is), and from there, she’ll probably be on Coumiden for at least a few months and they told her “NO GREEN LEAFY VEGGIES... PERIOD”. I had never heard that before, but something about the iron or something in green leafy vegetables can cause new clots I guess. They never could determine what caused it, but they kept asking her if she smoked, which she NEVER has. I’ll tell ya what I think. And I’ll also tell ya what I now think of Dollar General stores. Last week or so, she was in a Dollar General store near here, and it’s a tiny store. So tiny, and crowded inside that they don’t have a buggy rack outside. It’s inside the store. Well, they had it turned a little cockeyed, and somebody was trying to push their buggy back in the rack, and almost ran my wife down with the buggy. She smashed her wrist against that buggy rack, and by the time she got home, it was really swollen, really painful and had a small cut. Soon as it happened, she had blood dripping down her hand, and the store manager didn’t even offer to get her a band-aid, or paper towel or anything. Just basically ignored my wife. So, she got home, emailed the home office because there homepage has no phone number. Waited a week, and NO reply from the email. So she called another local store, and they gave her the corporate number and she called then and explained the situation. They said the local district manager would call her and get things straightened out and talk to her about it. He still has NOT called either. So. She has one more phone call to make, and that will be to a lawyer I’m thinking. I took pics just as soon as she got home, and the pics are digitally time/date stamped, so we have those as “proof”. I know one thing. We’ll have to need an item pretty bad before we shop at another Dollar General I can tell ya that. I think that hit caused a blood clot to break loose, cause it was bruised BAD, which means that it WAS bleeding internally. I don’t want to be “sue happy” like this country is getting to be, but enough is enough and to not even get a phone call to check on somebody who was injured in one of your stores is unacceptable. I have a little piddlin Associates Degree in Business Management, and in just that degree program, we learn that that is NOT the proper way to practice business. Chuck From: Don Ordes Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 8:05 AM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] Prayers needed for my wife Chuck, Prayers here indeed for you, your wife, and your family. This is something that can be dealt with. Cancer, a much tougher problem. Heart attack? All depends. My dad’s boss lived 30 years after a massive attack. My dad lived 2 seconds. We just lost our best friend to a heart attack (just 59) a couple of days ago. Here one minute, gone the next. A couple here we’ve known for over 20 years, church members and camping buddies (fly-fisherman). Coleen, my wife’s best friend, fell down the stairs and shattered her femur a week ago. T
