Re: [VFB] Flies vs lures
What about the polish worm,or swimming nymph condom fly... Don Ordes wrote: Nowadays can you define the difference between some artificial flies and some fly-casting lures? When does one become the other? DonO - Original Message - *From:* mel hocken mailto:softhac...@shaw.ca *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:11 PM *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Flies vs lures */I guess the main consideration is are we using an artificial fly or a fly casting lure?/* - Original Message - *From:* Don Ordes mailto:f...@tribcsp.com *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:14 AM *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Flies vs lures Mel, So why do you say that? Is it Wacki-Pedia this time? Please expound. Curious minds want to know. How does one go about classifying qualifying fly-fishing and all of the cross-over styles? I know some game fish guys, and they say that fly-fishing only waters is a 'can of worms' and is open to interpretation and cross-over style arguments. Guys fish with a spinning outfit, a bubble, and an adams fly. Fly-fishing? ( No) Guys fly-rod fish with a weighted Mr. Twister plastic grub with a hackle wound around the grub body part. Lure-fishing? (Yes) Guy in Yellowstone 'flyfishing only' water uses 'foam fly' impregnated with velveta cheese. Illegal bait-fishing? (Yes) I can fish my hair mice with a spinning outfit or a fly rod. If I'm in Yellowstone on 'flyfishing only' water, I /better/ be using a fly rod. 'Can of Worms?' You bet. Game Fish enforcement quandry. You bet. Would be interested in your views for a 'writing the fishing rules' perspective. DonO - Original Message - *From:* mel hocken mailto:softhac...@shaw.ca *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:50 PM *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Flies vs lures */Who ever wrote this doesn't know their head from a hole in the ground/* */Regards/* */Mel/* - Original Message - *From:* Jimmy D. Moore mailto:ray...@earthlink.net *To:* Virtual Fly Box mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com ; Fly Fishing World mailto:flyfishingwo...@yahoogroups.com ; Hill Country Fly Fishers mailto:hillcountryflyfish...@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2010 7:56 AM *Subject:* [VFB] Flies vs lures Over the years we've had several discussions on what makes a fly a fly and a lure a lure. It's pretty well summed up below in a piece from Wikipedia. If it takes a fly rod and fly line to cast it, it's a fly. If it takes the weight of the lure to cast it, its a lure. Therefore fly rods cast flies and spinning / casting rods cast lures. In fly fishing, fish http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish are caught by using artificial flies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_fly that are cast with a fly rod http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing_rod and a fly line. The fly line (today, almost always coated with plastic) is heavy enough in order to send the fly to the target. This is one of the main differences between spinning and bait rods, which use the weight of the lure to cast lures, and a weight on the line to cast bait, etc Artificial flies can vary dramatically in all morphological characteristics (size, weight, colour, etc.). Artificial flies are created by tying hair, fur, feathers, or other materials, both natural and synthetic, onto a hook with thread. The first flies were tied with natural materials, but synthetic materials are now very popular and prevalent. The flies are tied in sizes, colours and patterns to match local terrestrial and aquatic insects, baitfish, or other prey attractive to the target fish species. Casting - Flies vs Lures Unlike other casting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casting_%28fishing%29 methods, fly fishing can be thought of as a method
Re: [VFB] Flies vs lures
Mel, So why do you say that? Is it Wacki-Pedia this time? Please expound. Curious minds want to know. How does one go about classifying qualifying fly-fishing and all of the cross-over styles? I know some game fish guys, and they say that fly-fishing only waters is a 'can of worms' and is open to interpretation and cross-over style arguments. Guys fish with a spinning outfit, a bubble, and an adams fly. Fly-fishing? Guys fly-rod fish with a weighted Mr. Twister plastic grub with a hackle wound around the grub body part. Lure-fishing? Guy in Yellowstone 'flyfishing only' water uses 'foam fly' impregnated with velveta cheese. Illegal bait-fishing? I can fish my hair mice with a spinning outfit or a fly rod. If I'm in Yellowstone on 'flyfishing only' water, I better be using a fly rod. 'Can of Worms?' You bet. Game Fish enforcement quandry. You bet. Would be interested in your views for a 'writing the fishing rules' perspective. DonO - Original Message - From: mel hocken To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Flies vs lures Who ever wrote this doesn't know their head from a hole in the ground Regards Mel - Original Message - From: Jimmy D. Moore To: Virtual Fly Box ; Fly Fishing World ; Hill Country Fly Fishers Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 7:56 AM Subject: [VFB] Flies vs lures Over the years we've had several discussions on what makes a fly a fly and a lure a lure. It's pretty well summed up below in a piece from Wikipedia. If it takes a fly rod and fly line to cast it, it's a fly. If it takes the weight of the lure to cast it, its a lure. Therefore fly rods cast flies and spinning / casting rods cast lures. In fly fishing, fish are caught by using artificial flies that are cast with a fly rod and a fly line. The fly line (today, almost always coated with plastic) is heavy enough in order to send the fly to the target. This is one of the main differences between spinning and bait rods, which use the weight of the lure to cast lures, and a weight on the line to cast bait, etc Artificial flies can vary dramatically in all morphological characteristics (size, weight, colour, etc.). Artificial flies are created by tying hair, fur, feathers, or other materials, both natural and synthetic, onto a hook with thread. The first flies were tied with natural materials, but synthetic materials are now very popular and prevalent. The flies are tied in sizes, colours and patterns to match local terrestrial and aquatic insects, baitfish, or other prey attractive to the target fish species. Casting - Flies vs Lures Unlike other casting methods, fly fishing can be thought of as a method of casting line rather than lure. Non-flyfishing methods rely on a lure's weight to pull line from the reel during the forward motion of a cast. By design, a fly is too light to be cast, and thus simply follows the unfurling of a properly cast fly line, which is heavier and tapered and therefore more castable than lines used in other types of fishing. to read the entire Wikipedia piece, click on the link below: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_fishing º * JIMMY D. MOORE, ARS WB5RHT,author Moon Holler Misfits Fishing Hunting Club, Member, TOWA, Past VP Guadalupe River Trout Unlimited, North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus, Texas Fish Game Magazine, VFB FFW Moderator, Scout Exec. BSA, Retired, http://bigtroutman.tripod.com/index.html * º ** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Flies vs lures
I thought the Wikipedia piece was pretty comprehensive, but it had nothing to do with RULES. If you want to flip a lure on a fly rod, have at it. However, you'll be able to cast only a very few flies on a spinning rod and practically none on a bait casting rod unless it's a giant salt water fly. It's not whether or not you agree or disagree with the Wikipedia piece. That was just some good info and some of us, me included, are wiser from having read it. JD Jimmy D. Moore wrote: Over the years we've had several discussions on what makes a fly a fly and a lure a lure. It's pretty well summed up below in a piece from Wikipedia. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Flies vs lures
I guess the main consideration is are we using an artificial fly or a fly casting lure? - Original Message - From: Don Ordes To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Flies vs lures Mel, So why do you say that? Is it Wacki-Pedia this time? Please expound. Curious minds want to know. How does one go about classifying qualifying fly-fishing and all of the cross-over styles? I know some game fish guys, and they say that fly-fishing only waters is a 'can of worms' and is open to interpretation and cross-over style arguments. Guys fish with a spinning outfit, a bubble, and an adams fly. Fly-fishing? ( No) Guys fly-rod fish with a weighted Mr. Twister plastic grub with a hackle wound around the grub body part. Lure-fishing? (Yes) Guy in Yellowstone 'flyfishing only' water uses 'foam fly' impregnated with velveta cheese. Illegal bait-fishing? (Yes) I can fish my hair mice with a spinning outfit or a fly rod. If I'm in Yellowstone on 'flyfishing only' water, I better be using a fly rod. 'Can of Worms?' You bet. Game Fish enforcement quandry. You bet. Would be interested in your views for a 'writing the fishing rules' perspective. DonO - Original Message - From: mel hocken To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Flies vs lures Who ever wrote this doesn't know their head from a hole in the ground Regards Mel - Original Message - From: Jimmy D. Moore To: Virtual Fly Box ; Fly Fishing World ; Hill Country Fly Fishers Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 7:56 AM Subject: [VFB] Flies vs lures Over the years we've had several discussions on what makes a fly a fly and a lure a lure. It's pretty well summed up below in a piece from Wikipedia. If it takes a fly rod and fly line to cast it, it's a fly. If it takes the weight of the lure to cast it, its a lure. Therefore fly rods cast flies and spinning / casting rods cast lures. In fly fishing, fish are caught by using artificial flies that are cast with a fly rod and a fly line. The fly line (today, almost always coated with plastic) is heavy enough in order to send the fly to the target. This is one of the main differences between spinning and bait rods, which use the weight of the lure to cast lures, and a weight on the line to cast bait, etc Artificial flies can vary dramatically in all morphological characteristics (size, weight, colour, etc.). Artificial flies are created by tying hair, fur, feathers, or other materials, both natural and synthetic, onto a hook with thread. The first flies were tied with natural materials, but synthetic materials are now very popular and prevalent. The flies are tied in sizes, colours and patterns to match local terrestrial and aquatic insects, baitfish, or other prey attractive to the target fish species. Casting - Flies vs Lures Unlike other casting methods, fly fishing can be thought of as a method of casting line rather than lure. Non-flyfishing methods rely on a lure's weight to pull line from the reel during the forward motion of a cast. By design, a fly is too light to be cast, and thus simply follows the unfurling of a properly cast fly line, which is heavier and tapered and therefore more castable than lines used in other types of fishing. to read the entire Wikipedia piece, click on the link below: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_fishing º * JIMMY D. MOORE, ARS WB5RHT,author Moon Holler Misfits Fishing Hunting Club, Member, TOWA, Past VP Guadalupe River Trout Unlimited, North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus, Texas Fish Game Magazine, VFB FFW Moderator, Scout Exec. BSA, Retired, http://bigtroutman.tripod.com/index.html * º ** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group
Re: [VFB] Flies vs lures
Nowadays can you define the difference between some artificial flies and some fly-casting lures? When does one become the other? DonO - Original Message - From: mel hocken To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Flies vs lures I guess the main consideration is are we using an artificial fly or a fly casting lure? - Original Message - From: Don Ordes To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Flies vs lures Mel, So why do you say that? Is it Wacki-Pedia this time? Please expound. Curious minds want to know. How does one go about classifying qualifying fly-fishing and all of the cross-over styles? I know some game fish guys, and they say that fly-fishing only waters is a 'can of worms' and is open to interpretation and cross-over style arguments. Guys fish with a spinning outfit, a bubble, and an adams fly. Fly-fishing? ( No) Guys fly-rod fish with a weighted Mr. Twister plastic grub with a hackle wound around the grub body part. Lure-fishing? (Yes) Guy in Yellowstone 'flyfishing only' water uses 'foam fly' impregnated with velveta cheese. Illegal bait-fishing? (Yes) I can fish my hair mice with a spinning outfit or a fly rod. If I'm in Yellowstone on 'flyfishing only' water, I better be using a fly rod. 'Can of Worms?' You bet. Game Fish enforcement quandry. You bet. Would be interested in your views for a 'writing the fishing rules' perspective. DonO - Original Message - From: mel hocken To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Flies vs lures Who ever wrote this doesn't know their head from a hole in the ground Regards Mel - Original Message - From: Jimmy D. Moore To: Virtual Fly Box ; Fly Fishing World ; Hill Country Fly Fishers Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 7:56 AM Subject: [VFB] Flies vs lures Over the years we've had several discussions on what makes a fly a fly and a lure a lure. It's pretty well summed up below in a piece from Wikipedia. If it takes a fly rod and fly line to cast it, it's a fly. If it takes the weight of the lure to cast it, its a lure. Therefore fly rods cast flies and spinning / casting rods cast lures. In fly fishing, fish are caught by using artificial flies that are cast with a fly rod and a fly line. The fly line (today, almost always coated with plastic) is heavy enough in order to send the fly to the target. This is one of the main differences between spinning and bait rods, which use the weight of the lure to cast lures, and a weight on the line to cast bait, etc Artificial flies can vary dramatically in all morphological characteristics (size, weight, colour, etc.). Artificial flies are created by tying hair, fur, feathers, or other materials, both natural and synthetic, onto a hook with thread. The first flies were tied with natural materials, but synthetic materials are now very popular and prevalent. The flies are tied in sizes, colours and patterns to match local terrestrial and aquatic insects, baitfish, or other prey attractive to the target fish species. Casting - Flies vs Lures Unlike other casting methods, fly fishing can be thought of as a method of casting line rather than lure. Non-flyfishing methods rely on a lure's weight to pull line from the reel during the forward motion of a cast. By design, a fly is too light to be cast, and thus simply follows the unfurling of a properly cast fly line, which is heavier and tapered and therefore more castable than lines used in other types of fishing. to read the entire Wikipedia piece, click on the link below: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_fishing º * JIMMY D. MOORE, ARS WB5RHT,author Moon Holler Misfits Fishing Hunting Club, Member, TOWA, Past VP Guadalupe River Trout Unlimited, North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus, Texas Fish Game Magazine, VFB FFW Moderator, Scout Exec. BSA, Retired, http://bigtroutman.tripod.com/index.html * º ** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group
[VFB] Flies vs lures
Over the years we've had several discussions on what makes a fly a fly and a lure a lure. It's pretty well summed up below in a piece from Wikipedia. If it takes a fly rod and fly line to cast it, it's a fly. If it takes the weight of the lure to cast it, its a lure. Therefore fly rods cast flies and spinning / casting rods cast lures. In fly fishing, fish http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish are caught by using artificial flies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_fly that are cast with a fly rod http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing_rod and a fly line. The fly line (today, almost always coated with plastic) is heavy enough in order to send the fly to the target. This is one of the main differences between spinning and bait rods, which use the weight of the lure to cast lures, and a weight on the line to cast bait, etc Artificial flies can vary dramatically in all morphological characteristics (size, weight, colour, etc.). Artificial flies are created by tying hair, fur, feathers, or other materials, both natural and synthetic, onto a hook with thread. The first flies were tied with natural materials, but synthetic materials are now very popular and prevalent. The flies are tied in sizes, colours and patterns to match local terrestrial and aquatic insects, baitfish, or other prey attractive to the target fish species. Casting - Flies vs Lures Unlike other casting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casting_%28fishing%29 methods, fly fishing can be thought of as a method of casting line rather than lure. Non-flyfishing methods rely on a lure's weight to pull line from the reel during the forward motion of a cast. By design, a fly is too light to be cast, and thus simply follows the unfurling of a properly cast fly line, which is heavier and tapered and therefore more castable than lines used in other types of fishing. to read the entire Wikipedia piece, click on the link below: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_fishing º * JIMMY D. MOORE, ARS WB5RHT,author Moon Holler Misfits Fishing Hunting Club, Member, TOWA, Past VP Guadalupe River Trout Unlimited, North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus, Texas Fish Game Magazine, VFB FFW Moderator, Scout Exec. BSA, Retired, http://bigtroutman.tripod.com/index.html * º ** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
