[VFB] Tiny flies unrevealed...
Here's a chance to see what once couldn't be seen... 'VFB Tiny Fly Swap 2010' at: http://www.swedneckflyfishing.com/tinyfly2010.htm Some info is missing... a few fly names and hook sizes. If the tiers want this additional info to be there, just shout and I'll fix it. /Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE ME" as the subject.
Re: [VFB] Tiny flies unrevealed...
MeddelandeAmazing. I don't see how you guys do it. I have tied two #28's in my life and they are nothing to brag about. I'm gonna try some more cause I don't have any 32's, but these inspired me to order some and give it a try. Amazing photography too Nick, Chuck - Original Message - From: Niclas Runarsson To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: [VFB] Tiny flies unrevealed... Here's a chance to see what once couldn't be seen... 'VFB Tiny Fly Swap 2010' at: http://www.swedneckflyfishing.com/tinyfly2010.htm Some info is missing... a few fly names and hook sizes. If the tiers want this additional info to be there, just shout and I'll fix it. /Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE ME" as the subject. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2767 - Release Date: 03/24/10 02:33:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE ME" as the subject.
Re: [VFB] Tiny flies unrevealed...
Great Job Nick. Mine is a #32 TMC BobH - Original Message - From: "Niclas Runarsson" To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:08:14 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [VFB] Tiny flies unrevealed... Meddelande Here's a chance to see what once couldn't be seen... ' VFB Tiny Fly Swap 2010 ' at: http://www.swedneckflyfishing.com/tinyfly2010.htm Some info is missing... a few fly names and hook sizes. If the tiers want this additional info to be there, just shout and I'll fix it. /Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE ME" as the subject. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE ME" as the subject.
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MeddelandeI put a couple'a Mustad/Tiemco #32 comparison photos on my website: http://www.fantasyflies.com/32_flies.php DonO - Original Message - From: haerb...@comcast.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny flies unrevealed... Great Job Nick. Mine is a #32 TMC BobH - Original Message - From: "Niclas Runarsson" To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:08:14 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [VFB] Tiny flies unrevealed... Here's a chance to see what once couldn't be seen... 'VFB Tiny Fly Swap 2010' at: http://www.swedneckflyfishing.com/tinyfly2010.htm Some info is missing... a few fly names and hook sizes. If the tiers want this additional info to be there, just shout and I'll fix it. /Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE ME" as the subject. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE ME" as the subject. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE ME" as the subject.
Re: [VFB] Tiny flies unrevealed...
Is that the name of the fly too? /Nick On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:27 AM, wrote: > Great Job Nick. Mine is a #32 TMC > > BobH > > > - Original Message - > From: "Niclas Runarsson" > To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:08:14 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [VFB] Tiny flies unrevealed... > > Here's a chance to see what once couldn't be seen... > > '*VFB Tiny Fly Swap 2010*' at: > http://www.swedneckflyfishing.com/tinyfly2010.htm > > Some info is missing... a few fly names and hook sizes. If the tiers > want this additional info to be there, just shout and I'll fix it. > > /Nick > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" > group. > > To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > > VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail+ > unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE > ME" as the subject. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" > group. > > To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > > VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail+ > unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE > ME" as the subject. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE ME" as the subject.
Re: [VFB] Tiny flies unrevealed...
Together with flies tied on them, I also have them beside a millimeter ruler (1 inch=25.4 millimeters - 1 millimeter = 0.03937"). http://www.swedneckflyfishing.com/32s.htm TMC518 #32 is 3.5 millimeters (0.138"). Straight part of hook shank, fly part, is about 2 mm (0.079")... which is also the total length of a Mustad 277... that gives a fly part of about 1 mm (0.039"). /Nick On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Don Ordes wrote: > I put a couple'a Mustad/Tiemco #32 comparison photos on my website: > http://www.fantasyflies.com/32_flies.php > > DonO > > - Original Message - > *From:* haerb...@comcast.net > *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:27 PM > *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Tiny flies unrevealed... > > Great Job Nick. Mine is a #32 TMC > > BobH > > - Original Message - > From: "Niclas Runarsson" > To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:08:14 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [VFB] Tiny flies unrevealed... > > Here's a chance to see what once couldn't be seen... > > '*VFB Tiny Fly Swap 2010*' at: > http://www.swedneckflyfishing.com/tinyfly2010.htm > > Some info is missing... a few fly names and hook sizes. If the tiers > want this additional info to be there, just shout and I'll fix it. > > /Nick > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" > group. > > To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > > VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail+ > unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE > ME" as the subject. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" > group. > > To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > > VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail+ > unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE > ME" as the subject. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" > group. > > To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > > VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail+ > unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE > ME" as the subject. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail+unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE ME" as the subject.
Re: [VFB] Tiny flies unrevealed...
I was thinking that in relation to the tiny fly swap, perhaps any
special techniques in tying those flies could be mentioned I.e. how was
a certain problem dealt with. It would be unique to tiny flies and a
good lesson for all. Nick's Swedneck step-by-step was excellent for
this. Nice work of a very high standard by all.
R
Don Ordes wrote:
I put a couple'a Mustad/Tiemco #32 comparison photos on my website:
http://www.fantasyflies.com/32_flies.php
DonO
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Great Job Nick. Mine is a #32 TMC
BobH
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Subject: [VFB] Tiny flies unrevealed...
Here's a chance to see what once couldn't be seen...
'*_VFB Tiny Fly Swap 2010_*' at:
http://www.swedneckflyfishing.com/tinyfly2010.htm
Some info is missing... a few fly names and hook sizes. If the tiers
want this additional info to be there, just shout and I'll fix it.
/Nick
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Re: [VFB] Tiny flies unrevealed...
One thing that usually can be a pain is thread building. The "to be sure-wraps" aren't as welcome on a #32 as they might be on a #14 and only a couple of wraps you really can do without, can make a real difference to the fly. I started tying small stuff using the Danville Spiderweb 16/0 (30 denier), but didn't really like monofilament for flies in that size range. Next was UNI 17/0 (40 denier), which I liked better. It was flat and didn't build as much... but on the other hand it was wide. Today I make my own thread, which I think is perfect. I take 5-6 feet of GSP thread (super strong thread) and abuse one end with a velcro brush. Then I take hold of a few filaments (maybe 4-5) and pull them out from the rest, twist them a little bit so they stay together and roll them up on a small spool. That thread is TRUE spiderweb and makes Danvilles Spiderweb look like a fly line... breath on it and it more or less stays floating in the air. I have heard gravity saying really ugly words when fighting to get hold of it. LOL But as thin as it is, it still has a very high breaking strength and is perfect for tying flies on #32 hooks. (You can afford both 2 and 3 wraps "to be sure". ;o) ) /Nick -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] För Don Ordes Skickat: den 28 mars 2010 18:59 Till: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Ämne: Re: [VFB] Tiny flies unrevealed... Reuven et al, The major problems anyone will encounter in dealing with tiny flies can't be photographed. 1. Eyesight- Close-range natural vision is best, as eye-to-hand coordination is 1-to-1. Magnification is next, but the depth of view and hand movements are no longer relational. 2. Hand/Finger size- It's tougher tying no-see-ums with ball-park frank fingers. Also, fingers with callouses from work don't have enough feel to handle the tiny stuff. 3. Manual dexterity- If you've worked with heavy tools all your life, sizing down movements to a fraction of a millimeter is tough. Many serious flytiers have problems with manual dexterity in fly sixes below #26. Mustad #28's(Tiemco #32), VMC #30, Mustad #32, and VMC #34 put items 1 - 4 to the ultimate test. I know surgeons who would not attempt a #32 Mustad with the naked eye. But I wish I had their surgery magnification equipment to try out a few. Along with manual dexterity comes steadiness of hands, which at this tiny scale is necessary. 4. Focus, Patience, & Persistence- 'Sub-midge' tying takes more focus than salmonfly tying. If you have all of the above, it's worth it to at least try your hand at micro-tying, if you want that challenge. The next challenge is finding Mustad #32's. But if you want to just get down to a fishable #32 Tiemco, which has an eye, these hooks are easy to find and aren't anywhere near hard to tie as a Mustad 32. Mustad #28s are also available. For me, tying M#28's and Tiemco #32 is still fairly easy. My eyes can still see them clearly, and sizing down materials is not that big a deal for them (on my hand center below & left insert)). But the Mustad #32s are becoming a real challenge as my eyes get older (upper right insert photo). I can still size down the materials, handle them, make the thread and tie stuff to the hook. But the challenge right now is seeing well enough to tie the materials proportionately on the hook in the right location. It takes me a couple of tries now, and I used to blow right through it. The hook shank seems half as long as it used to be- LOL. The Royal Coachman Fanwing has always been my M#32 standard (lower right insert), because so many things need to happen on that tiny shank. A chironimid is easy compared to a coachman (upper right insert). Once you get past the physical requirements, it's a matter of sizing down materials and then applying them to the hook. I encourage tiers to work their way down size by size, rather than making a big jump down from an 18. Stick with one pattern that you have the materials for as you size down. If you don't have the right materials, you'll be frustrated and not like the results. Trimming hackles isn't the right way, doesn't look good, and is it necessary any more. That #28 Mustad Adams (I like the shank for dries better than the Tiemco #32) is a fishable fly and not too difficult to tie (on my hand above). Whiting midge saddles are perfect for them, and the CdL tailing paks make great fine tail fibers. I like rope-dubbing the body, as it's easy, neat, and looks buggy. The Winger wings are just the tips of the smallest neck feathers. Any of the super-fine tying threads would work at this size, just make your wraps count, and don't over-wrap. Micro-midges are mostly just fun to tie, if you don't get frustrated. 'Tying on the hook' is the next and '
Re: [VFB] Tiny flies unrevealed...
MeddelandeNick, I found the same thread, but in a plastic tube clothes-line, and it was the core material. Take out 2' and separate out a fiber and spool it on a midge vise. You know it's thin enough when a piece of it floats way. My bobbin tension is set just above free-fall. LOL DonO - Original Message - From: Niclas Runarsson To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny flies unrevealed... One thing that usually can be a pain is thread building. The "to be sure-wraps" aren't as welcome on a #32 as they might be on a #14 and only a couple of wraps you really can do without, can make a real difference to the fly. I started tying small stuff using the Danville Spiderweb 16/0 (30 denier), but didn't really like monofilament for flies in that size range. Next was UNI 17/0 (40 denier), which I liked better. It was flat and didn't build as much... but on the other hand it was wide. Today I make my own thread, which I think is perfect. I take 5-6 feet of GSP thread (super strong thread) and abuse one end with a velcro brush. Then I take hold of a few filaments (maybe 4-5) and pull them out from the rest, twist them a little bit so they stay together and roll them up on a small spool. That thread is TRUE spiderweb and makes Danvilles Spiderweb look like a fly line... breath on it and it more or less stays floating in the air. I have heard gravity saying really ugly words when fighting to get hold of it. LOL But as thin as it is, it still has a very high breaking strength and is perfect for tying flies on #32 hooks. (You can afford both 2 and 3 wraps "to be sure". ;o) ) /Nick -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] För Don Ordes Skickat: den 28 mars 2010 18:59 Till: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Ämne: Re: [VFB] Tiny flies unrevealed... Reuven et al, The major problems anyone will encounter in dealing with tiny flies can't be photographed. 1. Eyesight- Close-range natural vision is best, as eye-to-hand coordination is 1-to-1. Magnification is next, but the depth of view and hand movements are no longer relational. 2. Hand/Finger size- It's tougher tying no-see-ums with ball-park frank fingers. Also, fingers with callouses from work don't have enough feel to handle the tiny stuff. 3. Manual dexterity- If you've worked with heavy tools all your life, sizing down movements to a fraction of a millimeter is tough. Many serious flytiers have problems with manual dexterity in fly sixes below #26. Mustad #28's(Tiemco #32), VMC #30, Mustad #32, and VMC #34 put items 1 - 4 to the ultimate test. I know surgeons who would not attempt a #32 Mustad with the naked eye. But I wish I had their surgery magnification equipment to try out a few. Along with manual dexterity comes steadiness of hands, which at this tiny scale is necessary. 4. Focus, Patience, & Persistence- 'Sub-midge' tying takes more focus than salmonfly tying. If you have all of the above, it's worth it to at least try your hand at micro-tying, if you want that challenge. The next challenge is finding Mustad #32's. But if you want to just get down to a fishable #32 Tiemco, which has an eye, these hooks are easy to find and aren't anywhere near hard to tie as a Mustad 32. Mustad #28s are also available. For me, tying M#28's and Tiemco #32 is still fairly easy. My eyes can still see them clearly, and sizing down materials is not that big a deal for them (on my hand center below & left insert)). But the Mustad #32s are becoming a real challenge as my eyes get older (upper right insert photo). I can still size down the materials, handle them, make the thread and tie stuff to the hook. But the challenge right now is seeing well enough to tie the materials proportionately on the hook in the right location. It takes me a couple of tries now, and I used to blow right through it. The hook shank seems half as long as it used to be- LOL. The Royal Coachman Fanwing has always been my M#32 standard (lower right insert), because so many things need to happen on that tiny shank. A chironimid is easy compared to a coachman (upper right insert). Once you get past the physical requirements, it's a matter of sizing down materials and then applying them to the hook. I encourage tiers to work their way down size by size, rather than making a big jump down from an 18. Stick with one pattern that you have the materials for as you size down. If you don't have the right materials, you'll be frustrated and not like the results. Trimming hackles isn't the right way, doesn't look good, and is it necessary any more. That #28 M
