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welcome home don speedy recovery dave From: Don Ordes Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 12:59 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [VFB] We're Back Thanks Hans and everyone. I guess you can imagine how relieved everyone is here that the surgery turned out so well for us. I don't know yet if I left anyone there or if I picked up a hitch-hiker. I tried to sleep in bed some of last night, and I must have turned so that I was putting a lot of pressure on the surgery area, as I woke up in a lot of pain, in that area. Will sleep sitting up from now on. Following JimmyD's route and taking a lot more of my pain meds than I was. Will just mope around today and convalesce, tie some flies, etc. Mouth and tongue are numb and tingly, like coming off novacane (nerve damage). Don't have all my taste buds,either. Doc say only healing will tell. Pain is gone, and that's what matters. I can live with the rest. Before surgery I was about ready to access that nerve for the doc using my SW 500. Thanks Again, Guys - Original Message - From: Hans Weilenmann To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] We're Back Excellent outcome, Don. Very very happy for you and Cheryl. Cheers from your lowlands pal PS Less than 4 weeks to FlyFair. I will miss your presence there. You have a Friend in Low Places Hans Weilenmann, The Netherlands http://www.danica.com/flytier = -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2855 - Release Date: 05/05/10 03:26:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] We're Back!!!!
Great News DonO it is good to know that you will be feeling better. One
question how many alter egos did they fin 8{} !
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Great News DonO it is good to know that you will be feeling better.
One question how many alter egos did they fin 8{} !
BobH
Bob,
The question is not how many alter egos did they FIND, it's how many
new ones did they SPAWN! :-(
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Re: [VFB] We're Back!!!!
Hopefully they didn't forgot one while reassembling his brain
RDRene
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Great News DonO it is good to know that you will be feeling better.
One question how many alter egos did they fin 8{} !
BobH
Bob,
The question is not how many alter egos did they FIND, it's how many
new ones did they SPAWN! :-(
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Re: [VFB] We're Back!!!!
Excellent outcome, Don. Very very happy for you and Cheryl. Cheers from your lowlands pal PS Less than 4 weeks to FlyFair. I will miss your presence there. You have a Friend in Low Places Hans Weilenmann, The Netherlands http://www.danica.com/flytier = -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] We're Back!!!!
Thanks Hans and everyone. I guess you can imagine how relieved everyone is here that the surgery turned out so well for us. I don't know yet if I left anyone there or if I picked up a hitch-hiker. I tried to sleep in bed some of last night, and I must have turned so that I was putting a lot of pressure on the surgery area, as I woke up in a lot of pain, in that area. Will sleep sitting up from now on. Following JimmyD's route and taking a lot more of my pain meds than I was. Will just mope around today and convalesce, tie some flies, etc. Mouth and tongue are numb and tingly, like coming off novacane (nerve damage). Don't have all my taste buds,either. Doc say only healing will tell. Pain is gone, and that's what matters. I can live with the rest. Before surgery I was about ready to access that nerve for the doc using my SW 500. Thanks Again, Guys - Original Message - From: Hans Weilenmann To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] We're Back Excellent outcome, Don. Very very happy for you and Cheryl. Cheers from your lowlands pal PS Less than 4 weeks to FlyFair. I will miss your presence there. You have a Friend in Low Places Hans Weilenmann, The Netherlands http://www.danica.com/flytier = -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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Thanks, Alan, Actually it started in March of 2008, lasted for about 6 months, went into remission, and came back in the spring of 2009 (just before our cruise), and lasted for about 9 months. Went into recession and then came back with a fury in Feb. 2010. No one knows why it goes into recession, or what triggers the return. Didn't know if they were going to allow the surgery Wed. afternoon. The anesthesiologist didn't like my EKG, so I had to go to the main old hospital to get and echo-cardiogram that morning. He saw the results and green-lighted the surgery while they were prepping me. The statistics say that the odds are 50/50 suicide for those having TN after 3 years. I was in my 3rd year. Fortunately for me I was able to control enough of the pain with the meds. to avoid the suicide thoughts, but not really that far off. It's tough to describe the pain. Closest thing I can think of is that while you're sleeping, comeone sticks an ice pic through your cheek, jaw, and tongue- rudely waking you up screaming. I'm just glad it's behind me. Just have a big hospital bill to pay off now. But it was worth every nickel. DonO - Original Message - From: Alan Di Somma To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] We're Back Boy am I glad to see you are feeling great again. You never know how good it is to feel normal until its gone. Sorry that you had to put up with all that pain and misery while you were waiting for your surgery. Thank you, Alan Di Somma You know your a redneck when: You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree. http://www.azflyfishing.net/ - Original Message - From: Don Ordes To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 1:16 PM Subject: [VFB] We're Back Hey guys! Just got home a little while ago and saw all of the emails for prayers and I very much appreciate every one of them. The surgery was a complete success. We're all doing very well, considering that is was major brain surgery- not actually on the brain, but under the brain. Some nerve tingling and numbness exist where that nerve goes to the face (but no pain whatsoever), but the doc said that was normal and the numbness would heal over a little time. They said they had to use a lot of anesthesia to knock me out, and I told them that's because they had to knock out 4 of us. I got calls from Allan and Denny in the room and was able to update them on my condition, which you have seen here. Thank you Allan and Denny. The surgery was around 2 hours, but I was in recovery for 3 hours instead of one, which worried my family- as you could imagine, adding to that they couldn't get any progress updates because it was after hours. (The staff didn't realize thay had 4 of us to wake up- lol) But it all worked out fine, and I had two blood vessels rubbing the nerve- one wore a groove and another had worked it way through the fibers of the nerve to the opposide side. The trigeminal nerve is way inside the head tucked under the brain. So he cut a 1.5 hole in the skull, moved the brain over, and got to the nerve way deep. So the Doc fixed both vessels and was pretty sure that this was my problem the moment he saw the situation. He had to cut the connective tissues and move the blood vessels to the back and put a teflon pad between the blood vessels and the nerves. Problem solved. I have a real good scar forth-coming behind my right ear from over the ear to my the top of my shirt collar (about 8 long). The top is numb, but the bottom is pretty sore as that is the neck muscle that he had to penetrate. After all this and and 3 hours in recovery, I was able to walk around just 2 hours after waking up (to go to the restroom), then I took another walk about 10:00 that night (3 hrs after waking up) and did very well. The next morning I took a 15min. walk with the therapist and she said I didn't need any therapy- she said she couldn't tell that I had had surgery by my strides. Then last night I walked the halls for 50 minutes and only stopped because my socked feet got sore. Amazing what this neurosurgeon is able to do. He's rated as right at the top in all the country for what his specialty is- deep brain surgery. After being operated on by him, I'd recommend him without a doubt to anyone. The new hospital I went to is 5 stars plus in my book. I could have not asked for a better surgery experience and recovery. I feel great! Way better than when I walked into the hospital. The epileptic seizure drugs and the pain were taking their toll on my whole being. I have to thank 1st God and then my wife and then my flytying in helping me to hold up until I got the surgery. Having a 'new' friend in Dennis Conrad was also of great relief to me. I'll spare you all of the details
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Doneaux Since they had to split your brain, does that mean there are 8 of you now? Glad you're feeling better and that the prognosis is good. Jack Austin Don Ordes wrote: Thanks, Alan, Actually it started in March of 2008, lasted for about 6 months, went into remission, and came back in the spring of 2009 (just before our cruise), and lasted for about 9 months. Went into recession and then came back with a fury in Feb. 2010. No one knows why it goes into recession, or what triggers the return. Didn't know if they were going to allow the surgery Wed. afternoon. The anesthesiologist didn't like my EKG, so I had to go to the main old hospital to get and echo-cardiogram that morning. He saw the results and green-lighted the surgery while they were prepping me. The statistics say that the odds are /50/50 suicide/ for those having TN after 3 years. I was in my 3rd year. Fortunately for me I was able to control enough of the pain with the meds. to avoid the suicide thoughts, but not really /that/ far off. It's tough to describe the pain. Closest thing I can think of is that while you're sleeping, comeone sticks an ice pic through your cheek, jaw, and tongue- rudely waking you up screaming. I'm just glad it's behind me. Just have a big hospital bill to pay off now. But it was worth every nickel. DonO - Original Message - *From:* Alan Di Somma mailto:phxflyt...@cox.net *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, May 01, 2010 3:40 PM *Subject:* Re: [VFB] We're Back Boy am I glad to see you are feeling great again. You never know how good it is to feel normal until its gone. Sorry that you had to put up with all that pain and misery while you were waiting for your surgery. Thank you, Alan Di Somma You know your a redneck when: You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree. http://www.azflyfishing.net/ - Original Message - *From:* Don Ordes mailto:f...@tribcsp.com *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, May 01, 2010 1:16 PM *Subject:* [VFB] We're Back Hey guys! /Just got home a little while ago and saw all of the emails for prayers and I *very much* appreciate *every one of them.*/ The surgery was a complete success. We're all doing very well, considering that is was major brain surgery- not actually on the brain, but under the brain. Some nerve tingling and numbness exist where that nerve goes to the face (but no pain whatsoever), but the doc said that was normal and the numbness would heal over a little time. They said they had to use a lot of anesthesia to knock me out, and I told them that's because they had to knock out 4 of us. I got calls from Allan and Denny in the room and was able to update them on my condition, which you have seen here. Thank you Allan and Denny. The surgery was around 2 hours, but I was in recovery for 3 hours instead of one, which worried my family- as you could imagine, adding to that they couldn't get any progress updates because it was after hours. (The staff didn't realize thay had 4 of us to wake up- lol) But it all worked out fine, and I had/ two/ blood vessels rubbing the nerve- one wore a groove and another had worked it way through the fibers of the nerve to the opposide side. The trigeminal nerve is way inside the head tucked under the brain. So he cut a 1.5 hole in the skull, moved the brain over, and got to the nerve way deep. So the Doc fixed both vessels and was pretty sure that this was my problem the moment he saw the situation. He had to cut the connective tissues and move the blood vessels to the back and put a teflon pad between the blood vessels and the nerves. Problem solved. I have a real good scar forth-coming behind my right ear from over the ear to my the top of my shirt collar (about 8 long). The top is numb, but the bottom is pretty sore as that is the neck muscle that he had to penetrate. After all this and and 3 hours in recovery, I was able to walk around just 2 hours after waking up (to go to the restroom), then I took another walk about 10:00 that night (3 hrs after waking up) and did very well. The next morning I took a 15min. walk with the therapist and she said I didn't need any therapy- she said she couldn't tell that I had had surgery by my strides. Then last night I walked the halls for 50 minutes and only stopped because my socked feet got sore
Re: [VFB] We're Back!!!!
Don: I can't imagine the pain you were under. I once had Kidney stones and spent several night in a hospital shot up with demerol to ease the pain, but yours had to be much worse. I'll bet it was terrible when you were out on location with your job when one of those pains struck. Glad that it is over and your doing well. Hope to get to meet you one of these days at Sowbug. Thank you, Alan Di Somma You know your a redneck when: You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree. http://www.azflyfishing.net/ - Original Message - From: Don Ordes To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] We're Back Thanks, Alan, Actually it started in March of 2008, lasted for about 6 months, went into remission, and came back in the spring of 2009 (just before our cruise), and lasted for about 9 months. Went into recession and then came back with a fury in Feb. 2010. No one knows why it goes into recession, or what triggers the return. Didn't know if they were going to allow the surgery Wed. afternoon. The anesthesiologist didn't like my EKG, so I had to go to the main old hospital to get and echo-cardiogram that morning. He saw the results and green-lighted the surgery while they were prepping me. The statistics say that the odds are 50/50 suicide for those having TN after 3 years. I was in my 3rd year. Fortunately for me I was able to control enough of the pain with the meds. to avoid the suicide thoughts, but not really that far off. It's tough to describe the pain. Closest thing I can think of is that while you're sleeping, comeone sticks an ice pic through your cheek, jaw, and tongue- rudely waking you up screaming. I'm just glad it's behind me. Just have a big hospital bill to pay off now. But it was worth every nickel. DonO - Original Message - From: Alan Di Somma To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] We're Back Boy am I glad to see you are feeling great again. You never know how good it is to feel normal until its gone. Sorry that you had to put up with all that pain and misery while you were waiting for your surgery. Thank you, Alan Di Somma You know your a redneck when: You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree. http://www.azflyfishing.net/ - Original Message - From: Don Ordes To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 1:16 PM Subject: [VFB] We're Back Hey guys! Just got home a little while ago and saw all of the emails for prayers and I very much appreciate every one of them. The surgery was a complete success. We're all doing very well, considering that is was major brain surgery- not actually on the brain, but under the brain. Some nerve tingling and numbness exist where that nerve goes to the face (but no pain whatsoever), but the doc said that was normal and the numbness would heal over a little time. They said they had to use a lot of anesthesia to knock me out, and I told them that's because they had to knock out 4 of us. I got calls from Allan and Denny in the room and was able to update them on my condition, which you have seen here. Thank you Allan and Denny. The surgery was around 2 hours, but I was in recovery for 3 hours instead of one, which worried my family- as you could imagine, adding to that they couldn't get any progress updates because it was after hours. (The staff didn't realize thay had 4 of us to wake up- lol) But it all worked out fine, and I had two blood vessels rubbing the nerve- one wore a groove and another had worked it way through the fibers of the nerve to the opposide side. The trigeminal nerve is way inside the head tucked under the brain. So he cut a 1.5 hole in the skull, moved the brain over, and got to the nerve way deep. So the Doc fixed both vessels and was pretty sure that this was my problem the moment he saw the situation. He had to cut the connective tissues and move the blood vessels to the back and put a teflon pad between the blood vessels and the nerves. Problem solved. I have a real good scar forth-coming behind my right ear from over the ear to my the top of my shirt collar (about 8 long). The top is numb, but the bottom is pretty sore as that is the neck muscle that he had to penetrate. After all this and and 3 hours in recovery, I was able to walk around just 2 hours after waking up (to go to the restroom), then I took another walk about 10:00 that night (3 hrs after waking up) and did very well. The next morning I took a 15min. walk with the therapist and she said I didn't need any therapy- she said she couldn't tell that I had had surgery by my strides. Then last night I walked the halls for 50 minutes and only stopped because my
[VFB] We're Back!!!!
Hey guys! Just got home a little while ago and saw all of the emails for prayers and I very much appreciate every one of them. The surgery was a complete success. We're all doing very well, considering that is was major brain surgery- not actually on the brain, but under the brain. Some nerve tingling and numbness exist where that nerve goes to the face (but no pain whatsoever), but the doc said that was normal and the numbness would heal over a little time. They said they had to use a lot of anesthesia to knock me out, and I told them that's because they had to knock out 4 of us. I got calls from Allan and Denny in the room and was able to update them on my condition, which you have seen here. Thank you Allan and Denny. The surgery was around 2 hours, but I was in recovery for 3 hours instead of one, which worried my family- as you could imagine, adding to that they couldn't get any progress updates because it was after hours. (The staff didn't realize thay had 4 of us to wake up- lol) But it all worked out fine, and I had two blood vessels rubbing the nerve- one wore a groove and another had worked it way through the fibers of the nerve to the opposide side. The trigeminal nerve is way inside the head tucked under the brain. So he cut a 1.5 hole in the skull, moved the brain over, and got to the nerve way deep. So the Doc fixed both vessels and was pretty sure that this was my problem the moment he saw the situation. He had to cut the connective tissues and move the blood vessels to the back and put a teflon pad between the blood vessels and the nerves. Problem solved. I have a real good scar forth-coming behind my right ear from over the ear to my the top of my shirt collar (about 8 long). The top is numb, but the bottom is pretty sore as that is the neck muscle that he had to penetrate. After all this and and 3 hours in recovery, I was able to walk around just 2 hours after waking up (to go to the restroom), then I took another walk about 10:00 that night (3 hrs after waking up) and did very well. The next morning I took a 15min. walk with the therapist and she said I didn't need any therapy- she said she couldn't tell that I had had surgery by my strides. Then last night I walked the halls for 50 minutes and only stopped because my socked feet got sore. Amazing what this neurosurgeon is able to do. He's rated as right at the top in all the country for what his specialty is- deep brain surgery. After being operated on by him, I'd recommend him without a doubt to anyone. The new hospital I went to is 5 stars plus in my book. I could have not asked for a better surgery experience and recovery. I feel great! Way better than when I walked into the hospital. The epileptic seizure drugs and the pain were taking their toll on my whole being. I have to thank 1st God and then my wife and then my flytying in helping me to hold up until I got the surgery. Having a 'new' friend in Dennis Conrad was also of great relief to me. I'll spare you all of the details, but the horrible face-pain (suicidal) is only part of the ordeal of trigeminal neuralgia. I'm still on the seizure meds and have to be weaned off of them over a 2 week period. After that I hope my short-term memory will recover. These meds are almost as bad as the condition- not everyone can take them. I wanted to write and thank you all and later I'll answer any questions if you have them.. I have family upstairs, so I need to head that way. My daughter flew in from Portland to be here, and it sure has helped. Food FOOD! I want food!!! To eat without the pain of 20+ toothaches and a 14/0 hook stuck through my jaw is so wonderful! Cheryl's making my fav. tonight- Southern Fried Chicked!!! Whoo-hooo! I can shave again, but Cheryl wants me to keep my gotee. We'll see what Buggs 'Ronnie has to say. I'm back!!! Thanks again everyone!!! DonO et al - Original Message - From: rene.zillm...@t-online.de To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] DonO Update Hi Allan, Hi Jimmy, thanks for updating us about DonO and his gang. I'm really happy that he is doing well. Rene -Original Message- Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 01:07:06 +0200 Subject: [VFB] DonO Update From: Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.net To: Virtual Fly Box vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Hi Gang: Denny Conrad talked with DonO earlier today. Don was still in the hospital, but doing well. Surgery was successful. The doc found the nerve and fixed the problem. Except for a little post op pain, he has none of the BIG pain anymore. Should be coming home in a day or two. As we all know, prayer works wonders and there were plenty VFB'ers praying for him. JIMMY D -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to
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DonO, welcome back. Count your alter egos,maybe someone from the hospital joined the gang. Greetings to all Rene -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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Re: [VFB] We're BackAllen, Ha-ha. LOL, The front reception area was like a beauty pagent! But I have to say that the nursing staff would be very hard to beat on a 'professional' basis (and they were all cute too). Buggs said he felt loved. I had a room right in front of the nurse-station and they literally nursed me to recovery. I told my main nurse that one of my fly buddies said to pinch her when I was ready to be thrown out. And she said go right ahead, but I might keep you here a few weeks more. So I'm home now. DonO - Original Message - From: Allan Fish To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] We're Back Don, You didn't tell the list about all the pretty nurses you had. VBG a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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Boy am I glad to see you are feeling great again. You never know how good it is to feel normal until its gone. Sorry that you had to put up with all that pain and misery while you were waiting for your surgery. Thank you, Alan Di Somma You know your a redneck when: You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree. http://www.azflyfishing.net/ - Original Message - From: Don Ordes To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 1:16 PM Subject: [VFB] We're Back Hey guys! Just got home a little while ago and saw all of the emails for prayers and I very much appreciate every one of them. The surgery was a complete success. We're all doing very well, considering that is was major brain surgery- not actually on the brain, but under the brain. Some nerve tingling and numbness exist where that nerve goes to the face (but no pain whatsoever), but the doc said that was normal and the numbness would heal over a little time. They said they had to use a lot of anesthesia to knock me out, and I told them that's because they had to knock out 4 of us. I got calls from Allan and Denny in the room and was able to update them on my condition, which you have seen here. Thank you Allan and Denny. The surgery was around 2 hours, but I was in recovery for 3 hours instead of one, which worried my family- as you could imagine, adding to that they couldn't get any progress updates because it was after hours. (The staff didn't realize thay had 4 of us to wake up- lol) But it all worked out fine, and I had two blood vessels rubbing the nerve- one wore a groove and another had worked it way through the fibers of the nerve to the opposide side. The trigeminal nerve is way inside the head tucked under the brain. So he cut a 1.5 hole in the skull, moved the brain over, and got to the nerve way deep. So the Doc fixed both vessels and was pretty sure that this was my problem the moment he saw the situation. He had to cut the connective tissues and move the blood vessels to the back and put a teflon pad between the blood vessels and the nerves. Problem solved. I have a real good scar forth-coming behind my right ear from over the ear to my the top of my shirt collar (about 8 long). The top is numb, but the bottom is pretty sore as that is the neck muscle that he had to penetrate. After all this and and 3 hours in recovery, I was able to walk around just 2 hours after waking up (to go to the restroom), then I took another walk about 10:00 that night (3 hrs after waking up) and did very well. The next morning I took a 15min. walk with the therapist and she said I didn't need any therapy- she said she couldn't tell that I had had surgery by my strides. Then last night I walked the halls for 50 minutes and only stopped because my socked feet got sore. Amazing what this neurosurgeon is able to do. He's rated as right at the top in all the country for what his specialty is- deep brain surgery. After being operated on by him, I'd recommend him without a doubt to anyone. The new hospital I went to is 5 stars plus in my book. I could have not asked for a better surgery experience and recovery. I feel great! Way better than when I walked into the hospital. The epileptic seizure drugs and the pain were taking their toll on my whole being. I have to thank 1st God and then my wife and then my flytying in helping me to hold up until I got the surgery. Having a 'new' friend in Dennis Conrad was also of great relief to me. I'll spare you all of the details, but the horrible face-pain (suicidal) is only part of the ordeal of trigeminal neuralgia. I'm still on the seizure meds and have to be weaned off of them over a 2 week period. After that I hope my short-term memory will recover. These meds are almost as bad as the condition- not everyone can take them. I wanted to write and thank you all and later I'll answer any questions if you have them.. I have family upstairs, so I need to head that way. My daughter flew in from Portland to be here, and it sure has helped. Food FOOD! I want food!!! To eat without the pain of 20+ toothaches and a 14/0 hook stuck through my jaw is so wonderful! Cheryl's making my fav. tonight- Southern Fried Chicked!!! Whoo-hooo! I can shave again, but Cheryl wants me to keep my gotee. We'll see what Buggs 'Ronnie has to say. I'm back!!! Thanks again everyone!!! DonO et al - Original Message - From: rene.zillm...@t-online.de To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] DonO Update Hi Allan, Hi Jimmy, thanks for updating us about DonO and his gang. I'm really happy that he is doing well. Rene -Original Message- Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 01:07:06 +0200 Subject: [VFB] DonO Update From: Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.net To: Virtual Fly Box
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Awww, Or-Des, you're so cuddly I bet those nurses would vote for you as their Poster Boy. But then, Ronnie and Buggs would get bent all out of shape. Good to know you're in ONE piece Buddy and if anything, your sense of humor has blossomed. My little pissant operation pales in comparison to what you had done. Yes, and Prayer does work. Your Bud in Texas, Jody has all her Mice lined up on the upper edge of her Rolltop. JIMMY D Don Ordes wrote: Allen, Ha-ha. LOL, The front reception area was like a beauty pagent! But I have to say that the nursing staff would be very hard to beat on a 'professional' basis (and they were all cute too). Buggs said he felt loved. I had a room right in front of the nurse-station and they literally nursed me to recovery. I told my main nurse that one of my fly buddies said to pinch her when I was ready to be thrown out. And she said go right ahead, but I might keep you here a few weeks more. So I'm home now. DonO - Original Message - From: Allan Fish mailto:afi...@sbcglobal.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] We're Back Don, You didn't tell the list about all the pretty nurses you had. VBG a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net mailto:afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- º * JIMMY D. MOORE, ARS WB5RHT,author Moon Holler Misfits Fishing Hunting Club, Member, TOWA, Past VP Guadalupe River Trout Unlimited, North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus, Texas Fish Game Magazine, VFB FFW Moderator, Scout Exec. BSA, Retired, http://bigtroutman.tripod.com/index.html * º *** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
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Don: Glad it went well for everybody .. And YES, anytime you are the one being cut on, and SPECIALLY in your brain, it's MAJOR surgery.. My luck, I'd have a doc go into a sneezing fit LOL..Anyway, glad it was all a success, and I know you are glad that pain is gone, Chuck - Original Message - From: Don Ordes To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 3:16 PM Subject: [VFB] We're Back Hey guys! Just got home a little while ago and saw all of the emails for prayers and I very much appreciate every one of them. The surgery was a complete success. We're all doing very well, considering that is was major brain surgery- not actually on the brain, but under the brain. Some nerve tingling and numbness exist where that nerve goes to the face (but no pain whatsoever), but the doc said that was normal and the numbness would heal over a little time. They said they had to use a lot of anesthesia to knock me out, and I told them that's because they had to knock out 4 of us. I got calls from Allan and Denny in the room and was able to update them on my condition, which you have seen here. Thank you Allan and Denny. The surgery was around 2 hours, but I was in recovery for 3 hours instead of one, which worried my family- as you could imagine, adding to that they couldn't get any progress updates because it was after hours. (The staff didn't realize thay had 4 of us to wake up- lol) But it all worked out fine, and I had two blood vessels rubbing the nerve- one wore a groove and another had worked it way through the fibers of the nerve to the opposide side. The trigeminal nerve is way inside the head tucked under the brain. So he cut a 1.5 hole in the skull, moved the brain over, and got to the nerve way deep. So the Doc fixed both vessels and was pretty sure that this was my problem the moment he saw the situation. He had to cut the connective tissues and move the blood vessels to the back and put a teflon pad between the blood vessels and the nerves. Problem solved. I have a real good scar forth-coming behind my right ear from over the ear to my the top of my shirt collar (about 8 long). The top is numb, but the bottom is pretty sore as that is the neck muscle that he had to penetrate. After all this and and 3 hours in recovery, I was able to walk around just 2 hours after waking up (to go to the restroom), then I took another walk about 10:00 that night (3 hrs after waking up) and did very well. The next morning I took a 15min. walk with the therapist and she said I didn't need any therapy- she said she couldn't tell that I had had surgery by my strides. Then last night I walked the halls for 50 minutes and only stopped because my socked feet got sore. Amazing what this neurosurgeon is able to do. He's rated as right at the top in all the country for what his specialty is- deep brain surgery. After being operated on by him, I'd recommend him without a doubt to anyone. The new hospital I went to is 5 stars plus in my book. I could have not asked for a better surgery experience and recovery. I feel great! Way better than when I walked into the hospital. The epileptic seizure drugs and the pain were taking their toll on my whole being. I have to thank 1st God and then my wife and then my flytying in helping me to hold up until I got the surgery. Having a 'new' friend in Dennis Conrad was also of great relief to me. I'll spare you all of the details, but the horrible face-pain (suicidal) is only part of the ordeal of trigeminal neuralgia. I'm still on the seizure meds and have to be weaned off of them over a 2 week period. After that I hope my short-term memory will recover. These meds are almost as bad as the condition- not everyone can take them. I wanted to write and thank you all and later I'll answer any questions if you have them.. I have family upstairs, so I need to head that way. My daughter flew in from Portland to be here, and it sure has helped. Food FOOD! I want food!!! To eat without the pain of 20+ toothaches and a 14/0 hook stuck through my jaw is so wonderful! Cheryl's making my fav. tonight- Southern Fried Chicked!!! Whoo-hooo! I can shave again, but Cheryl wants me to keep my gotee. We'll see what Buggs 'Ronnie has to say. I'm back!!! Thanks again everyone!!! DonO et al - Original Message - From: rene.zillm...@t-online.de To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] DonO Update Hi Allan, Hi Jimmy, thanks for updating us about DonO and his gang. I'm really happy that he is doing well. Rene -Original Message- Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 01:07:06 +0200 Subject: [VFB] DonO Update From: Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.net To: Virtual Fly Box vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Hi Gang: Denny Conrad talked with DonO earlier
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Great News, I am in Oklahoma, just finished up a two day show. I did a bit of rope dubbing. I was thinking about you whike doing it. Still need a bit more pratice. Mentioned your surgery to another list member at the show, he was not aware you had had suegery. Tony --- On Sat, 5/1/10, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com Subject: [VFB] We're Back To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, May 1, 2010, 3:16 PM Hey guys! Just got home a little while ago and saw all of the emails for prayers and I very much appreciate every one of them. The surgery was a complete success. We're all doing very well, considering that is was major brain surgery- not actually on the brain, but under the brain. Some nerve tingling and numbness exist where that nerve goes to the face (but no pain whatsoever), but the doc said that was normal and the numbness would heal over a little time. They said they had to use a lot of anesthesia to knock me out, and I told them that's because they had to knock out 4 of us. I got calls from Allan and Denny in the room and was able to update them on my condition, which you have seen here. Thank you Allan and Denny. The surgery was around 2 hours, but I was in recovery for 3 hours instead of one, which worried my family- as you could imagine, adding to that they couldn't get any progress updates because it was after hours. (The staff didn't realize thay had 4 of us to wake up- lol) But it all worked out fine, and I had two blood vessels rubbing the nerve- one wore a groove and another had worked it way through the fibers of the nerve to the opposide side. The trigeminal nerve is way inside the head tucked under the brain. So he cut a 1.5 hole in the skull, moved the brain over, and got to the nerve way deep. So the Doc fixed both vessels and was pretty sure that this was my problem the moment he saw the situation. He had to cut the connective tissues and move the blood vessels to the back and put a teflon pad between the blood vessels and the nerves. Problem solved. I have a real good scar forth-coming behind my right ear from over the ear to my the top of my shirt collar (about 8 long). The top is numb, but the bottom is pretty sore as that is the neck muscle that he had to penetrate. After all this and and 3 hours in recovery, I was able to walk around just 2 hours after waking up (to go to the restroom), then I took another walk about 10:00 that night (3 hrs after waking up) and did very well. The next morning I took a 15min. walk with the therapist and she said I didn't need any therapy- she said she couldn't tell that I had had surgery by my strides. Then last night I walked the halls for 50 minutes and only stopped because my socked feet got sore. Amazing what this neurosurgeon is able to do. He's rated as right at the top in all the country for what his specialty is- deep brain surgery. After being operated on by him, I'd recommend him without a doubt to anyone. The new hospital I went to is 5 stars plus in my book. I could have not asked for a better surgery experience and recovery. I feel great! Way better than when I walked into the hospital. The epileptic seizure drugs and the pain were taking their toll on my whole being. I have to thank 1st God and then my wife and then my flytying in helping me to hold up until I got the surgery. Having a 'new' friend in Dennis Conrad was also of great relief to me. I'll spare you all of the details, but the horrible face-pain (suicidal) is only part of the ordeal of trigeminal neuralgia. I'm still on the seizure meds and have to be weaned off of them over a 2 week period. After that I hope my short-term memory will recover. These meds are almost as bad as the condition- not everyone can take them. I wanted to write and thank you all and later I'll answer any questions if you have them.. I have family upstairs, so I need to head that way. My daughter flew in from Portland to be here, and it sure has helped. Food FOOD! I want food!!! To eat without the pain of 20+ toothaches and a 14/0 hook stuck through my jaw is so wonderful! Cheryl's making my fav. tonight- Southern Fried Chicked!!! Whoo-hooo! I can shave again, but Cheryl wants me to keep my gotee. We'll see what Buggs 'Ronnie has to say. I'm back!!! Thanks again everyone!!! DonO et al - Original Message - From: rene.zillm...@t-online.de To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] DonO Update Hi Allan, Hi Jimmy, thanks for updating us about DonO and his gang. I'm really happy that he is doing well. Rene -Original Message- Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 01:07:06 +0200 Subject: [VFB] DonO Update From: Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.net To: Virtual Fly Box vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Hi Gang: Denny Conrad talked with DonO earlier
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Glad you are back. We all missed you. Mike On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: Hey guys! *Just got home a little while ago and saw all of the emails for prayers and I very much appreciate every one of them.* The surgery was a complete success. We're all doing very well, considering that is was major brain surgery- not actually on the brain, but under the brain. Some nerve tingling and numbness exist where that nerve goes to the face (but no pain whatsoever), but the doc said that was normal and the numbness would heal over a little time. They said they had to use a lot of anesthesia to knock me out, and I told them that's because they had to knock out 4 of us. I got calls from Allan and Denny in the room and was able to update them on my condition, which you have seen here. Thank you Allan and Denny. The surgery was around 2 hours, but I was in recovery for 3 hours instead of one, which worried my family- as you could imagine, adding to that they couldn't get any progress updates because it was after hours. (The staff didn't realize thay had 4 of us to wake up- lol) But it all worked out fine, and I had* two* blood vessels rubbing the nerve- one wore a groove and another had worked it way through the fibers of the nerve to the opposide side. The trigeminal nerve is way inside the head tucked under the brain. So he cut a 1.5 hole in the skull, moved the brain over, and got to the nerve way deep. So the Doc fixed both vessels and was pretty sure that this was my problem the moment he saw the situation. He had to cut the connective tissues and move the blood vessels to the back and put a teflon pad between the blood vessels and the nerves. Problem solved. I have a real good scar forth-coming behind my right ear from over the ear to my the top of my shirt collar (about 8 long). The top is numb, but the bottom is pretty sore as that is the neck muscle that he had to penetrate. After all this and and 3 hours in recovery, I was able to walk around just 2 hours after waking up (to go to the restroom), then I took another walk about 10:00 that night (3 hrs after waking up) and did very well. The next morning I took a 15min. walk with the therapist and she said I didn't need any therapy- she said she couldn't tell that I had had surgery by my strides. Then last night I walked the halls for 50 minutes and only stopped because my socked feet got sore. Amazing what this neurosurgeon is able to do. He's rated as right at the top in all the country for what his specialty is- deep brain surgery. After being operated on by him, I'd recommend him without a doubt to anyone. The new hospital I went to is 5 stars plus in my book. I could have not asked for a better surgery experience and recovery. *I feel great!* Way better than when I walked into the hospital. The epileptic seizure drugs and the pain were taking their toll on my whole being. I have to thank 1st God and then my wife and then my flytying in *helping me to hold up* until I got the surgery. Having a 'new' friend in Dennis Conrad was also of great relief to me. I'll spare you all of the details, but the horrible face-pain (suicidal) is only part of the ordeal of trigeminal neuralgia. I'm still on the seizure meds and have to be weaned off of them over a 2 week period. After that I hope my short-term memory will recover. These meds are almost as bad as the condition- not everyone can take them. I wanted to write and thank you all and later I'll answer any questions if you have them.. I have family upstairs, so I need to head that way. My daughter flew in from Portland to be here, and it sure has helped. Food FOOD! I want food!!! To eat without the pain of 20+ toothaches and a 14/0 hook stuck through my jaw is so wonderful! Cheryl's making my fav. tonight- Southern Fried Chicked!!! Whoo-hooo! I can shave again, but Cheryl wants me to keep my gotee. We'll see what Buggs 'Ronnie has to say. I'm back!!! Thanks again everyone!!! DonO et al - Original Message - *From:* rene.zillm...@t-online.de *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, May 01, 2010 3:24 AM *Subject:* Re: [VFB] DonO Update Hi Allan, Hi Jimmy, thanks for updating us about DonO and his gang. I'm really happy that he is doing well. Rene -Original Message- Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 01:07:06 +0200 Subject: [VFB] DonO Update From: Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.net To: Virtual Fly Box vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Hi Gang: Denny Conrad talked with DonO earlier today. Don was still in the hospital, but doing well. Surgery was successful. The doc found the nerve and fixed the problem. Except for a little post op pain, he has none of the BIG pain anymore. Should be coming home in a day or two. As we all know, prayer works wonders and there were plenty VFB'ers praying for him. JIMMY D -- You received this message
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Congrats! Glad to hear everything went so well. For all of you. From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Ordes Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 3:16 PM To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: [VFB] We're Back Hey guys! Just got home a little while ago and saw all of the emails for prayers and I very much appreciate every one of them. The surgery was a complete success. We're all doing very well, considering that is was major brain surgery- not actually on the brain, but under the brain. Some nerve tingling and numbness exist where that nerve goes to the face (but no pain whatsoever), but the doc said that was normal and the numbness would heal over a little time. They said they had to use a lot of anesthesia to knock me out, and I told them that's because they had to knock out 4 of us. I got calls from Allan and Denny in the room and was able to update them on my condition, which you have seen here. Thank you Allan and Denny. The surgery was around 2 hours, but I was in recovery for 3 hours instead of one, which worried my family- as you could imagine, adding to that they couldn't get any progress updates because it was after hours. (The staff didn't realize thay had 4 of us to wake up- lol) But it all worked out fine, and I had two blood vessels rubbing the nerve- one wore a groove and another had worked it way through the fibers of the nerve to the opposide side. The trigeminal nerve is way inside the head tucked under the brain. So he cut a 1.5 hole in the skull, moved the brain over, and got to the nerve way deep. So the Doc fixed both vessels and was pretty sure that this was my problem the moment he saw the situation. He had to cut the connective tissues and move the blood vessels to the back and put a teflon pad between the blood vessels and the nerves. Problem solved. I have a real good scar forth-coming behind my right ear from over the ear to my the top of my shirt collar (about 8 long). The top is numb, but the bottom is pretty sore as that is the neck muscle that he had to penetrate. After all this and and 3 hours in recovery, I was able to walk around just 2 hours after waking up (to go to the restroom), then I took another walk about 10:00 that night (3 hrs after waking up) and did very well. The next morning I took a 15min. walk with the therapist and she said I didn't need any therapy- she said she couldn't tell that I had had surgery by my strides. Then last night I walked the halls for 50 minutes and only stopped because my socked feet got sore. Amazing what this neurosurgeon is able to do. He's rated as right at the top in all the country for what his specialty is- deep brain surgery. After being operated on by him, I'd recommend him without a doubt to anyone. The new hospital I went to is 5 stars plus in my book. I could have not asked for a better surgery experience and recovery. I feel great! Way better than when I walked into the hospital. The epileptic seizure drugs and the pain were taking their toll on my whole being. I have to thank 1st God and then my wife and then my flytying in helping me to hold up until I got the surgery. Having a 'new' friend in Dennis Conrad was also of great relief to me. I'll spare you all of the details, but the horrible face-pain (suicidal) is only part of the ordeal of trigeminal neuralgia. I'm still on the seizure meds and have to be weaned off of them over a 2 week period. After that I hope my short-term memory will recover. These meds are almost as bad as the condition- not everyone can take them. I wanted to write and thank you all and later I'll answer any questions if you have them.. I have family upstairs, so I need to head that way. My daughter flew in from Portland to be here, and it sure has helped. Food FOOD! I want food!!! To eat without the pain of 20+ toothaches and a 14/0 hook stuck through my jaw is so wonderful! Cheryl's making my fav. tonight- Southern Fried Chicked!!! Whoo-hooo! I can shave again, but Cheryl wants me to keep my gotee. We'll see what Buggs 'Ronnie has to say. I'm back!!! Thanks again everyone!!! DonO et al - Original Message - From: rene.zillm...@t-online.de To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] DonO Update Hi Allan, Hi Jimmy, thanks for updating us about DonO and his gang. I'm really happy that he is doing well. Rene -Original Message- Date: Sat, 01 May 2010 01:07:06 +0200 Subject: [VFB] DonO Update From: Jimmy D. Moore ray...@earthlink.net To: Virtual Fly Box vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Hi Gang: Denny Conrad talked with DonO earlier today. Don was still in the hospital, but doing well. Surgery was successful. The doc found the nerve and fixed the problem. Except for a little post op pain, he has none of the BIG pain anymore. Should be coming home in a day or two. As we all know, prayer
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Don, Your happiness and relief are evident and as big as life. We share the happy dance with you and your family. Wes Wada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
