date:20050908

Technically I beleive it cant be classed as the first, as there are
already mobile phone pocketpc's that can almost certainly receive
videoblogs on the move.

I havent checked out the full spac of the ROKR, but Im not impressed
from what Ive heard so far. From the glossy marketing, Im not even
sure you can download music from the net straight to the phone, but
rather by syncying to a mac/pc.

If its in that category then its definately not the first, theres
quite a few very different devices that can take videoblogs on the
move by syncing or putting stuff on a memory stick.

I dont know what reputation Motorola has for mobile phones worldwide,
but here in the UK people I know personally are not generally
impressed with their phones. Time will tell I guess, I'm sure I'll
have more scathing words once Ive checked the full spec (100 songs?
whoopie doo - not), or you never know, I might find something positive
to say about it.

Steve of Elbows

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> Hi there ev'body,
> 
> reading the announcement of Apple/Motorola's new ROKR handy/iPod with
> video functions, I am beginning to wonder whether this could be the
> first mobile vlogging receiver we've been waiting for some time now.
> 
> I'm ancious to hear from anyone who has tried this - although I
> realize it will be some time before we actually get our hands on one
> of these.
> 
> Best regards,
> Munichreporter

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[videoblogging] Vlogging Fodder: Voices from the Other Side on Social Issues

2005-09-08 Thread Its A Mystery and So Im I


I thought it would be interesting idea to share links
on sources not often gleamed from in the blogisphere


Revisiting Kanye  (Blog)
http://www.hiphopmusic.com/archives/001136.html


The Impact of Kanye West Statement  (Blog)
http://blogs.sohh.com/katrina/archives/2005/09/the_impact_of_kanye_wes
ts_stat.html


Journal of a New Orleans Nurse  (Blog)
http://www.hiphopmusic.com/archives/001135.html


Special: Disaster in the Delta  (Podcast)  

A report through the eyes of the victim. Reviewing all the issues 
relating to the Katrina disaster, including the lack of flood 
prevention/preparation, the role of race and class, and the tie-in to 
global warming, plus live voices from the Gulf region.

http://archive.wbai.org/files/mp3/050906_210001paspec.MP3


Democracy Now!  (Podcast)
http://archive.wbai.org/files/mp3/050907_090002dn.MP3


* WBAI GBE (Streamed) - 
Talking about grassroots effort
and book on life after Reconstruction.
http://archive.wbai.org/pls.php?mp3fil=819


Black Facts Online (Website)
Provide users with this-day-in-history event listing
http://www.blackfacts.com/


Free Speech Radio News  (Podcast)
http://archive.wbai.org/files/mp3/050907_183002fsrn.MP3


PBS Preview | Newsletter (Website)
http://www.pbs.org/previews/newsletter/archives/20040711.html 


* Need Ipodder to listen to WBAI's streamfeed 
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Re: [videoblogging] All News is Local

around the 8/9/05 Andreas Haugstrup mentioned about Re: 
[videoblogging] All News is Local that:
>  > Very cute example. But what you want is a Danish person living in the 
>>  US, who
>>  sees the event from as closely as possible ...
>...snip...
>  > neighborhood, providing you with his second-hand reporting as he selects 
>>  quotes
>>  from interviewed witnesses later much later.

it isn't a cute example. It is what each wants. I do not want US news 
sources, which is why there are a (small) number of australian 
foreign correspondents placed around the world. And we have quite a 
few in Asia since that is of regional relevance. There cannot be 
Australian 'citizen journalists' all through, let's see, most of the 
world, that's why CNN and BBC World work.
>
>It's an impossibility. If something happens outside the three largest 
>cities in any country odds are you won't be able to find a Danish person 
>living there who is willing to give an account.
>
>Not that it matters. Unless you are looking for an account of 'how the 
>city feels' the local won't be able to give the Danish angle as well as a 
>journalist.

I think any argument that wants to reify individuals as pure sources 
is just problematic. Apart from the idea of pure source which is, 
well, silly, the assumptions that individuals are better sources 
than, for example, collectives, should also be questioned. I guess 
the unstated idealisation of individualism needs to justified.
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Re: [videoblogging] ROKR as Vloging receiver

around the 8/9/05 Michael und Susi Videoreporter mentioned about 
[videoblogging] ROKR as Vloging receiver that:
>reading the announcement of Apple/Motorola's new ROKR handy/iPod with
>video functions, I am beginning to wonder whether this could be the
>first mobile vlogging receiver we've been waiting for some time now.

not sure what you mean? we can stream 3gp to mobile phones on demand 
already, does the phone do something new?
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[videoblogging] Re: ROKR as Vloging receiver

around the 8/9/05 Steve Watkins mentioned about [videoblogging] Re: 
ROKR as Vloging receiver that:
>I havent checked out the full spac of the ROKR, but Im not impressed
>from what Ive heard so far. From the glossy marketing, Im not even
>sure you can download music from the net straight to the phone, but
>rather by syncying to a mac/pc.

haven't checked specs. but I think Jobs is on record as saying that 
he thinks downloading to your phone, where it can only play on your 
phone, is something most people won't do (price and you can't use it 
anywhere else).

>
>If its in that category then its definately not the first, theres
>quite a few very different devices that can take videoblogs on the
>move by syncing or putting stuff on a memory stick.

or that can receive 3gp.

>
>I dont know what reputation Motorola has for mobile phones worldwide,
>but here in the UK people I know personally are not generally
>impressed with their phones. Time will tell I guess, I'm sure I'll
>have more scathing words once Ive checked the full spec (100 songs?
>whoopie doo - not), or you never know, I might find something positive
>to say about it.

reputation much the same here is my sense of it. they have 
interesting design gimmicks but Nokia have the best usability I've 
found and Nokia or Sony Ericsson I think have the best reputation for 
actually lasting... :-)

won't be long before we're usinng them regularly, already up to 2 
megapixel still images...
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: ROKR as Vloging receiver

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:22:01 +0200, Adrian Miles  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> reputation much the same here is my sense of it. they have
> interesting design gimmicks but Nokia have the best usability I've
> found and Nokia or Sony Ericsson I think have the best reputation for
> actually lasting... :-)

Siemens. You can't beat German efficiency. Sadly, I think they sold off  
their mobile phone division. Nokia has one of the worst track records when  
it comes to repairs. Part of that may be that they sell more phones than  
anyone else (And thus have more broken phones).

> won't be long before we're usinng them regularly, already up to 2
> megapixel still images...

Megapixels don't tell you much. The lenses are still crap, the autofocus  
is even worse and the control of the camera (shutter speed, aperature etc)  
is non-existant. IMO they're better suited for video than still images.  
Not that it's a bad thing. :o)

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[videoblogging] (unknown)

2005-09-08 Thread Randy Mann

Get your gas/fuel on the 8th or 9th..boycot the 10th.

  WORTH A TRY FELLOWS for one day only


  IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES DID NOT 
PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THE OIL 
COMPANIES WOULD CHOKE ON THEIR STOCKPILES.

  AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD HIT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY WITH A NET LOSS OF OVER 
4.6 BILLION DOLLARS WHICH AFFECTS THE BOTTOM LINES OF THE OIL COMPANIES.

  THEREFORE Sept 10TH HAS BEEN FORMALLY DECLARED "STICK IT TO THEM DAY" AND 
THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION SHOULD NOT BUY A SINGLE DROP OF GASOLINE THAT DAY.

  THE ONLY WAY THIS CAN BE DONE IS IF YOU FORWARD THIS E-MAIL TO AS MANY 
PEOPLE A S YOU CAN AND AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN TO GET THE WORD OUT.

  WAITING ON THIS ADMINISTRATION TO STEP IN AND CONTROL THE PRICES IS NOT 
GOING TO HAPPEN. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REDUCTION AND CONTROL IN PRICES THAT 
THE ARAB NATIONS PROMISED TWO WEEKS AGO?

  REMEMBER ONE THING, NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOING UP BUT AT THE 
SAME TIME AIRLINES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES, TRUCKING COMPANIES ARE 
FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES WHICH EFFECTS PRICES ON EVERYTHING THAT IS 
SHIPPED. THINGS LIKE FOOD, CLOTHING, BUILDING MATERIALS, MEDICAL SUPPLIES 
ETC. WHO PAYS IN THE END? WE DO!

  WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THEY DON'T GET THE MESSAGE AFTER ONE DAY, WE 
WILL DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.

  SO DO YOUR PART AND SPREAD THE WORD. FORWARD

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Re: [videoblogging] (unknown)

around the 8/9/05 Randy Mann mentioned about [videoblogging] (unknown) that:
>   WORTH A TRY FELLOWS for one day only

ok. i will bite.

1. this has nothing to do with videoblogging.
2. from a nation that pays less for fuel than most of the rest of the 
developed world
3. with the environmental results as a consequence
4. rather than worrying about paying something a bit closer to the 
rest of the world for the price of petrol, perhaps signing the Kyoto 
Accord would be a less selfish and more appropriate action.
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Re: [videoblogging] (unknown)

2005-09-08 Thread Randy Mann

ooops sorry aubot the spam every one

randy


>From: Adrian Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
>To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [videoblogging] (unknown)
>Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:00:48 +1000
>
>around the 8/9/05 Randy Mann mentioned about [videoblogging] (unknown) 
>that:
> >   WORTH A TRY FELLOWS for one day only
>
>ok. i will bite.
>
>1. this has nothing to do with videoblogging.
>2. from a nation that pays less for fuel than most of the rest of the
>developed world
>3. with the environmental results as a consequence
>4. rather than worrying about paying something a bit closer to the
>rest of the world for the price of petrol, perhaps signing the Kyoto
>Accord would be a less selfish and more appropriate action.
>--
>cheers
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>
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[videoblogging] Another Katrina Recap Video

2005-09-08 Thread Zadi

I went ahead and made one as well...

http://smashface.com/vlog/2005/09/wake-me-up-when-september-ends.html

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Re: [videoblogging] ROKR as Vloging receiver

Video Recorder and Remote Poster via video email. Not so much  
receiver. Apple barely mentioned it can record photos and video.  
Probably uses where the Tunes would go to do that.

I spent so much time on a non-local video post tonight - the Steve  
Jobs presentation from San Francisco wednesday morning, MUST SEE TV,  
that I wish there was a way for Podcast subscribers to know a new  
Video post is up without an enclosure but instead a link to a stream  
initiation web page.

I think I may run an acrobat on my post and attach that on top. Done.  
What do you think about that way of telling a non-site visitor, like  
a Podcast subscriber to go to the site when the video is a stream  
from another site like Apple's.

It's only 11K with links to the FutureMedia site, Apple's Stream page  
and subscription links to iTunes and the feed. Hid it in the post  
with no text between it's address and the close of it.  trick Josh Kinberg taught me.
-- 
Taylor Barcroft
New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist
Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley
http://FutureMedia.org

On Sep 8, 2005, at 2:11 AM, Michael und Susi Videoreporter wrote:

> Hi there ev'body,
>
> reading the announcement of Apple/Motorola's new ROKR handy/iPod with
> video functions, I am beginning to wonder whether this could be the
> first mobile vlogging receiver we've been waiting for some time now.
>
> I'm ancious to hear from anyone who has tried this - although I
> realize it will be some time before we actually get our hands on one
> of these.
>
> Best regards,
> Munichreporter

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: New QuickTime 7.0.2 Released

Yes it's been up there since day one - June 28, 2005 a day that will  
live in infamy...

Apple is almost ignoring Video Podcasting. However, the new interface  
has changed our camera icons to Apple Display icons at the right of  
each listing instead.

Ironically their new "iTunes" cell phone can record video as well as  
photos and yet they barely mentioned it in the presentation today.

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On Sep 7, 2005, at 5:18 PM, t.whid wrote:

> Here 'tis:
> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/tutorials/podcasting.html
>
> Was this up before? Strange that they also don't have a 'video  
> podcasting' tute to go with.

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Re: [videoblogging] Video journalist Ruud Elmendorp

2005-09-08 Thread Jay dedman

> Reporting in: vlogging by video journalist Ruud Elmendorp
> http://blogger.xs4all.nl/videorep


im Ruud.
Im subscribed.
so whats your story anyway?
good to see someone activity in africa on the videoblogging front.

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Re: [videoblogging] ROKR as Vloging receiver

2005-09-08 Thread Åsmund Garfors




Apple gets all the attention no matter what they do. I'd like to see one of these:
http://ag.vided.org/archives/251

Xcute DV1
- VGA video 30fps,
TV-out(!), MP3-playback, video is mpeg4 format it looks like, with
up to 44KHz sound.
- Talking about bad photographs.. on this you can manually select exposure time, ISO,
flash, timer for photographs, etc.

Actually, it sounds too good to be real.


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[videoblogging] Re: All News is Local

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adrian Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> around the 8/9/05 Andreas Haugstrup mentioned about Re: 
> [videoblogging] All News is Local that:
> >  > Very cute example. But what you want is a Danish person living
in the 
> >>  US, who
> >>  sees the event from as closely as possible ...
> >...snip...
> >  > neighborhood, providing you with his second-hand reporting as
he selects 
> >>  quotes
> >>  from interviewed witnesses later much later.
> 
> it isn't a cute example. It is what each wants. I do not want US news 
> sources, which is why there are a (small) number of australian 
> foreign correspondents placed around the world. And we have quite a 
> few in Asia since that is of regional relevance. There cannot be 
> Australian 'citizen journalists' all through, let's see, most of the 
> world, that's why CNN and BBC World work.
> >
> >It's an impossibility. If something happens outside the three largest 
> >cities in any country odds are you won't be able to find a Danish
person 
> >living there who is willing to give an account.
> >
> >Not that it matters. Unless you are looking for an account of 'how the 
> >city feels' the local won't be able to give the Danish angle as
well as a 
> >journalist.
> 
> I think any argument that wants to reify individuals as pure sources 
> is just problematic. 

What is the definition of a "pure source"?

  -- Enric

>Apart from the idea of pure source which is, 
> well, silly, the assumptions that individuals are better sources 
> than, for example, collectives, should also be questioned. I guess 
> the unstated idealisation of individualism needs to justified.
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Re: [videoblogging] ROKR as Vloging receiver

I've seen this, or something very similar, at the Samsung store in
TimeWarner Center, Columbus Circle, NYC.
Looks really cool.

-Josh


On 9/8/05, Åsmund Garfors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> of these:
>  http://ag.vided.org/archives/251
>  
>  Xcute DV1
>  - VGA video 30fps, TV-out(!), MP3-playback, video is mpeg4 format it looks 
> like, with up to 44KHz sound.
>  - Talking about bad photographs.. on this you can manually select 
> exposure time, ISO, flash, timer for photographs, etc.
>  
>  Actually, it sounds too good to be real.
>  
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Re: [videoblogging] New vlog extension for firefox!

2005-09-08 Thread Adam Quirk




On 9/8/05, Bohus Blahut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



 When I go to the webpage that you listed, I get this message:

"Incompatible Extension or Extension No Longer Available - The extension 
you requested is either incompatible with the application selected, or 
the version of it is no longer available on Mozilla Update."
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[videoblogging] Re: New vlog extension for firefox!

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adam Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 9/8/05, Bohus Blahut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> >  When I go to the webpage that you listed, I get this message:
> > 
> > "Incompatible Extension or Extension No Longer Available - The
extension 
> > you requested is either incompatible with the application
selected, or 
> > the version of it is no longer available on Mozilla Update."
> 
> 
> Yeah, that's what I got too. I'd like to test it out. I'm running
1.06 on 
> XP. 
> 
> -- 
> _ Quirk
> _ Bullemhead.com/adam.html 

Try the http://vlogbar.ourtoolbar.com/xpi location instead of the
mozilla addons.  I got it to load from there.

   :),

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[videoblogging] New UK/Scotland vlog

2005-09-08 Thread naturemysticfilms

Hello folks,

After several days of learning the whole vlog thing I think I finally
have it sorted.  I find the whole concept very exciting as I was
already progressing well with various video shooting and editing
techniques and the vlog phenomenon seems very timely.  I wanted to get
all the feed stuff set up correctly so that I can be in here right at
the start.

The vlog is fairly nature-based but I intend to do radically different
stuff and am not sure if I should set up separate specialist vlogs for
these other projects.  

I have looked at most of the UK vlogs and have been impressed with
them so far, I'm working my way round the rest of Europe at the moment.

Any comments or problems with my vlog please let me know as I'd like
to get it all streamlined this next week.  

www.naturemystic.blogspot.com is my site. Its more art/film oriented
at the moment but, like I say, I want to explore the possibilities.  3
basic films on there at the moment and I intend putting some more of
my early filmwork on there very soon.

Keep up the great work folks and thanks to everyone who has set up the
vlogging open source environment.

Not sure if I should post this on vlogeurope too - are all the euro
vloggers on here already ?

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[videoblogging] example to ponder or "what is news?"

2005-09-08 Thread Jay dedman

We've been talking lately about citizen journalism... and what a
videoblogger could do better than Traditional Media.

here is an example:
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/53426
This is Andrew Odom.

this guy is just beginning. "hello world".
he's just talking about his life...which you may not care about.
But what i see is someone who is becoming a communication node.
he's earning to create and distribute media.

usually he's just sit and watch TV, read magazine, and listen to radio
in his car.
now he's flipping the script.

and maybe itll just be his freinds and family who care what he makes.
maybe he'll slowly start gathering freidns outside his personal sphere.
like many of us in here have.

if an big event happens in Savannah, Georgia(where he lives)...he's
now prepared to cover it.
This does not assume he'll be more truthful than Traditional Media.
but he may be
at least he'll be local and not some guy from NYC who dropped in to
cover the live event.
Andrew could probably provide a context/connection that is missing
right now with "objective" reporting.
a nice addition to the "factual" information that Tradional Media provides.

another node has sprung up.

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Re: [videoblogging] New UK/Scotland vlog

2005-09-08 Thread Loiez D.

Many of them i suppose ;-)

regards

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I found this beautiful vlog yersteday night.
It's a great work
http://www.scratchvideo.tv/

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> Not sure if I should post this on vlogeurope too - are all the euro
> vloggers on here already ?




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RE: [videoblogging] ROKR as Vloging receiver

 
> reading the announcement of Apple/Motorola's new ROKR handy/iPod with
> video functions, I am beginning to wonder whether this could be the
> first mobile vlogging receiver we've been waiting for some time now.

Depends on how you define vlog receiver. I can already subscribe to RSS
feeds and download audio or video content to my Audiovox SMT5600. Also true
for anyone with any other Windows Mobile phone. With a $25/month data plan,
it doesn't even cost minutes to do it. Most other phones support 3gp video,
which means even if they cannot download, they can stream.

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Re: [videoblogging] Gov't always wins the election

>no where could he have spoken this on that national channel.

i disagree. he could have requested or been invited on a number
of shows that talk about current issues and allow guests to speak their
minds as long as they are not breaking FCC regulations in doing
so. The only difference is the audience size and if the show is
Live or Pre-recorded. What he said would not have made as much
waves as it did if it didnt happen on that Live Fundraiser and went
against some script. So, the rebellious nature of what was said
was heavier than what was actually said. and that is why it got so
virally powerful.

maybe what he said was true. maybe blackops are in place to assure the
demise and extermination of poor black people under the powers of the
Republicans. or maybe its most to all people with money and
power that dont care. for instance, where are the moveon.org's who
raise and spend millions upon millions of dollars for political
campaigns in order to regain power, but not for directly helping poor
people or funding projects that will help prevent disasters that would
effect innocent poeple of all race and class?
whatever. believe what you want, say what you want, glorify what you want, spin what you want.
as long as we try to maintain some level of respect for each other when
doing so. the verbal war of hyper-politics is heating up
again it's on! people love it, need it. brings meaning
into their lives.

btw, i am not a republican, not a democrat or affiliated with any party
at this time... just in case i get labeled based on my rants.

sullOn 9/8/05, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
for instance, when Kanye West was on a live NBC show last friday.he went off script and spoke an important truth that many people share:http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/video/kanye
its so amazing for americans to see...because you realize what alockdown there is on information on TV(arguably the most powerful ofmediums at this moment).no where could he have spoken this on that national channel.
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[videoblogging] To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash format

2005-09-08 Thread chrbaudry

Hi Eric:

I just registered to Audioblog and I have been amazed at the variety 
of movie formats that it can handle and transcode to the Flash format.

Did Audioblog create its own transcoding application or do you use 
the "FFMPEG" open software? or another software?

I am presently using the FFMPEG software for conversion but a lot of 
codecs are not recognized.

Anyone using the FFMPEG or another software to convert most video 
formats to .FLV having a take on this? it needs to be a command line 
transcoder software so that it can be integrated in the global 
application.

Thanks,

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[videoblogging] Re: To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash format

Im not Eric and dont know anything about Audioblog, but I googled
ffmpeg flv and got quite a lot of results, so I guess it can be done.

Just one example:

http://www.lvp-site.nl/flv/flvconvert.txt

Im glad flv's can be created by 3rd party software, because I believe
Macromedia really wanted everyone to use flash communication server
for this sort of thing, but its too expensive and Macromedia have gone
a bit wibbley and cancelled their developers program & other unhelpful
stuff like not updating communication server often enough.
Unfortunately these days they rank high on my sloppyometer.

Steve Elbows

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> Hi Eric:
> 
> I just registered to Audioblog and I have been amazed at the variety 
> of movie formats that it can handle and transcode to the Flash format.
> 
> Did Audioblog create its own transcoding application or do you use 
> the "FFMPEG" open software? or another software?
> 
> I am presently using the FFMPEG software for conversion but a lot of 
> codecs are not recognized.
> 
> Anyone using the FFMPEG or another software to convert most video 
> formats to .FLV having a take on this? it needs to be a command line 
> transcoder software so that it can be integrated in the global 
> application.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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[videoblogging] bbc archive up for grabs

2005-09-08 Thread duncan speakman




has everyone seen this yet? maybe useful for all those into remixing stuff...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/4225914.stm-- 
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Re: [videoblogging] SpeedVlogging - 7 minutes to vlog

R. Kristiansen wrote:
> 
> Max Ward and myself decided to have a bit of fun tonight, so we ended up 
> challenging each other in making a series of vlog entries, each with a 
> production time of 7 minutes. Yes, 420 seconds to make a vlog entry, 
> including encoding/exporting the file, but not uploading it to a server. 

> SpeedVlogging is all about the fun of creating a vlog entry in 7 minutes, 
> and the adrenaline rush those last 2 minutes when you know you have a good 
> concept but you are not sure how it will work out - or if the file will 
> export properly.
> 
> Go SpeedVlog Today! Challenge someone :)

Even if I only shot about 7 seconds of video, I don't think I could do 
it in 7 minutes. Of course I have to connect my old analog video camera, 
start the tape, digitize it, and then do the encoding/exporting on a 4 
year old Mac.

None the less, I do see a challenge here...

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RE: [videoblogging] ROKR as Vloging receiver

2005-09-08 Thread Christopher Bergeron

> > reading the announcement of Apple/Motorola's new
> ROKR handy/iPod with
> > video functions, I am beginning to wonder whether
> this could be the
> > first mobile vlogging receiver we've been waiting
> for some time now.

I already have a movil vlogging receiver.

I use my iPAQ rx3715 as my mobil vlogging station.

It's a PPC and I use "Egress" as my RSS Reader since
it supports enclosures.  I use to for general RSS,
Podcasts, and vlogs.  Being wireless I don't even sync
to the PC anymore.

And since the 3715 is the PPC with the camera I can
take video wherever I am as well.  Tonight I'm going
to pop the SD card and edit some video I took this
morning  (the front lawn is already covered with
leaves) with the iPaq.

I'm still looking for PPC Video Editing Software, and
of course waiting for the "OurMedia Upload Tool for
PPC"

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash format




Steve,
 
Thanks for the search. I am currently using FFMPEG and I have a lot of problems with it: more than half of the videos are not transcoded well. Some not at all and some without the sound. 
 
Definitely AudioBlog and YouTube have great conversion systems so I wondered what they were using.
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash format

YouTube and Audioblog are proprietary services. Why should they give
away their trade secrets because you want to build a competing
service? I don't understand...

-josh

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> not at all and some without the sound.  
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[videoblogging] Re: SpeedVlogging - 7 minutes to vlog

As uploading isnt part of the timelimit, I dont really know why
encoding should be either.

The concept interests me but the wide variety of different hardware
and software that people use for video makes it hard to have a level
playingfield.

I can say that the only 3 video's I actually managed to make yet, were
when I threw away all my normal fussyness and just went for it in a
rushed way by setting myself an artificial timelimit.

One things for sure, these challenges are a lot easier if your device
records straight to mpeg4 and you dont bother with any editing or
other post-production.

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> Even if I only shot about 7 seconds of video, I don't think I could do 
> it in 7 minutes. Of course I have to connect my old analog video
camera, 
> start the tape, digitize it, and then do the encoding/exporting on a 4 
> year old Mac.
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> None the less, I do see a challenge here...
> 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash format

2005-09-08 Thread Markus Sandy

Joshua Kinberg wrote:

>YouTube and Audioblog are proprietary services. Why should they give
>away their trade secrets because you want to build a competing
>service? I don't understand...
>  
>

perhaps understanding breads customer trust and loyalty?
consider microsoft's channel 9

things are changing
knowledge is becoming a commodity
what kind of power is knowledge, if everyone has it?

often the big proprietary secret knowledge is simply how easy it was to 
do something

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[videoblogging] Re: bbc archive up for grabs

Its very interesting, and I salute them for trying alternative
licenses, but its still too restrictive for me.

The first big factor is that it is UK only. and any derivitive works
must have the same license, so this seems like a mess to me. The most
harsh interpretation of this is that not only can people outside the
UK not use these videos, but that my work can also not be distributed
outside the UK? Its not totally clear to me, but its certainly clear
that if you dont live in the UK, you can use this footage.

Another part of the license that would cause me problems is this:

2.2.5.do not use the Work (which includes any underlying
contributions to the work) and/or any Derivative Work for any illegal,
derogatory or otherwise offensive purpose or through the use of the
Work or any Derivative Work bring the Licensor's (or underlying rights
owners') reputation into disrepute;

Issues of offense and damaging reputation are too grey for me, I would
get paranoid about it.

If tey are aiming at VJs then it might be too restrictive for another
reason, as it says no commercial use, personal and educational use is
allowed. This is an issue for some videobloggers too.

Steve of Elbows

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> has everyone seen this yet? maybe useful for all those into remixing 
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[videoblogging] Re: bbc archive up for grabs

Doh missing t, should have been cant.

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> that if you dont live in the UK, you can use this footage.
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Re: [videoblogging] bbc archive up for grabs

2005-09-08 Thread Steve Garfield

Note:
"Almost 100 clips, from shows such as Walking With Beasts and 
Tomorrow's World, are for the UK public to use for free in their own 
creative works."

On Sep 8, 2005, at 12:42 PM, duncan speakman wrote:

>  has everyone seen this yet? maybe useful for all those into remixing 
> stuff...
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/4225914.stm
>

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[videoblogging] Re: To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash format

I still think back to the days when the videoblogging tools were first
appearing, and people got carried away with using the term opensource.
I was cynical then, suggested the term opensource was just being used
as trendy rhetoric by some, or because it seemed in keeping with the
way the videoblogging community itself sprang from grass roots.

Well, many months later and theres still virtually no videoblogging
tools of any kind that are opensource. There are a few exceptions, and
maybe Im out of date, but generally even free services seem to be
keeping their code to themselves.

Of course I dont believe audioblog ever claimed to be opensource, and
sharing code is not the same as sharing basic info about what
technology is used anyway. But Ive been wanting to have one final rant
about opensource for some time.

I wait to see if any of the other principals which some assumed would
be automatically attached to vieoblogging, were in fact just naive
overexcited assumptions, made ith the best intentions, but with no
chance of lasting.

Still as videoblogging is esentially various technologies and
publishing/delivery mechanisms, I see no reason why any of the other
principals/rules/ideas/virtues that people have attached to
videoblogging, should necessarily e so. Someone will break them. I
look back on early talk from early in the year about sponsorship and
other issues, and I sense that assumed principals back then about
videoblogging and sponsorship and money in general, are already out of
date. 

Videoblogging can and will be subject to the same principal-destroying
influences as everything else in the world is. The ability for anybody
with the right equipment to videoblog is where its potential for
positive change lies, nowhere else. I dont see why Videoblogging
software and web services and the companies and people behind them,  
will behave any differently to any other kinds of software/services.

Back to this specific topic, I dont see anything wrong with asking
what technology a service/tool uses, just shouldnt be too surprised if
they dont want to say.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash format

Believe me, I agree with you that knowledge should be free. And in
fact it is quite astounding the amount of free information that is out
there already... with a little googling expertise I'm sure you can
find several FLV encoders that can be used on the server side for
exactly the purpose you want. Of course, video is tricky and to really
do it welll and be able to convert just about anything out there...
well that ain't easy and you run into lots of trouble with proprietary
codecs. The best you can probably do without some serious heavy
lifting is use something like FFmpeg or Mplayer as both of those can
be scripted through Shell commands. They don't necessarily convert
*everything* but they can do a lot.

Simply asking YouTube or Audioblog how they do it won't likely yield
answers as its not really in their interest to provide that
information to you.

Microsoft and Channel 9 are in a much different position than these
other two services. Microsoft is educating developers on how to use
Microsoft's tools -- how to develop for the Windows platform with
Microsoft core technologies. That is definitely in Microsoft's
interest, and they certainly wouldn't do it otherwise.

-josh

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash format




Hi Josh:
 
It may be a trade secret. I never thought about that. If it is they can just say so. I would understand their point of view. At the same time it is probably an existing software well known by people who do transcoding. 

 
And in both cases their strength is probably much more in their concept - which is unique - than in this piece of software.
 
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[videoblogging] itunes 5 ate my podcast/videoblog subscriptions

When updating from itune 4.9 to 5 on Tiger, it gave an error about my
library xml being corrupt.

Anyway all my music is still there, and all the videoblogs/podcast
files  I already had have been moved to the library. But now my
podcast section of itunes is blank, empty, no subscriptions, w.

Perhaps this was just my bad luck, maybe it didnt like something I had
subscribed to, one bad character in one post on one feed could have
been enough to trigger the bug for all I know.

Would be greatful to hear from anybod else whose podcast subscriptions
got lost when upgrading to 5.

I dont think I like the new itunes skin. I cant even work out whats
new in version 5 to justify a major number update, think they just ran
out of 4.x numbers.

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RE: [videoblogging] Re: To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash format

 
> Well, many months later and theres still virtually no videoblogging
> tools of any kind that are opensource. There are a few exceptions, and
> maybe Im out of date, but generally even free services seem to be
> keeping their code to themselves.

Are you referring specifically to hosting services or to the software used
to edit and publish video?

There are hundreds of open source video editing tools. Most of them are not
as user friendly as apps like Final Cut and Adobe Premiere, but they are
free. 

Apps like WordPress and Broadcast Machine make their source available for
server side implementation although you need some coding skills to
improve/enhance the feature sets.

The only real limitation is an individual's ability to make use of the stuff
currently available. If you know how to make changes, the configurable tools
are out there. If you don't know how to make changes, you're much better off
with the commercial solutions because most of them have been through years
of product development. None of the concepts behind video blogging are new -
affordable tools make it compelling at this point.

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[videoblogging] iTunes 5 "Videos" & "Podcasts" Search Buttons

Just a heads up that the new iTunes 5 Search Bar includes both a  
"Videos" and a "Podcasts" isolator button. Makes it real easy to  
separate all your Video Podcasts from the rest of your library. So  
our file type is now fully recognized inside the iTunes 5 search  
engine. This is very groundbreaking. 4.8 plays, 4.9 receives, 5.0  
searches and isolates video files with a cool new monitor icon  
instead of camera.

Complete story on our site with links to all the related videos.
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Re: [videoblogging] To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash format

Is this user friendly and if so link to where to get it?

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On Sep 8, 2005, at 9:07 AM, chrbaudry wrote:

> do you use
> the "FFMPEG" open software? or another software?
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> codecs are not recognized.
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> formats to .FLV having a take on this?

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[videoblogging] Re: New QuickTime 7.0.2 Released

2005-09-08 Thread doron

one of the downside of 7.0.2 is that you have to use the controll bar to stop 
and resume 
playback. as far as I remmember, in all former versions (from QT2.5 to QT7.01), 
you could 
click within the movie's frame to stop, and double click to resume playback.
I sure miss this feature !
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Re: [videoblogging] To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash format

FFmpeg is more of a developers tool, not really end-user software.

Although, for Mac there is a decent GUI wrapper called FFmpegX:
< http://homepage.mac.com/major4/ >

Not exactly the most user-friendly, but gets the job done when you
need it. I used to use it all the time when I worked at a TV station
and had to convert video handed to me on DVDs to a something that
could be made ready for the web.

-Josh

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> 
> > do you use
> > the "FFMPEG" open software? or another software?
> >
> > I am presently using the FFMPEG software for conversion but a lot of
> > codecs are not recognized.
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[videoblogging] itunes 1 click script???

2005-09-08 Thread DrLinton Hutchinson

1. What was that script to link a button that people could click on to 
access your vlog on itunes?
2. How do you find the pathway that itunes uses for your vlog?

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Re: [videoblogging] To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash format

This is a rich and interesting debate. I appreciate the broader perspective.
On the specific question I asked, my problem is that after using FFMPEG for 1 month, the result is poor: very few files are converted correctly. Less than 50% often nothing or no sound. It seems to be because there are many codecs for the different format and many of them are not recognized. Since it is open source, it is difficult to be critical.

So I did some search and went to the Macromedia site: http://www.flashcommunicationserver.net/faq/flash_video_technical_faq.htm
and their answer to question 11 and 12 is what I was looking for:
-
Automating Encoding and Video Capture
Q11. My app allows people to upload video files in various format on a server, can I have that video file automatically converted on the server to FLV?
Q12. Can I set up some sort of server or watch folder to automatically encode video files to FLV as they come in?A11&12. Yes, there are a number of vendors that make automated encoding tools for Flash video today. Take a look at Squeeze from Sorenson, Agility from Anystream, or Cleaner from Discreet. You can also try to do a
Google search on batch process encoding to FLV to see other possible options.

---
Squeeze costs $400 so it is not a huge deal. I was just wondering whether Audioblog and YouTube were using the Squeeze $400 solution or something else.
Thanks,
Chris

[videoblogging] Re: To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash format

I was specifically referring to software and services made
specifically for videobloggers. ourmedia, fireant, mefeedia, vlogmap
would be examples of the sorts of things I mean.

Now its certainly true that it doesnt make much sense for some of
these services to be opensource, at least on face value. And I have no
problem if designers/coders decide to keep their code to themselves. I
am not trying to be negative about any of the services given as
examples above, nor demanding anything from them. They already give us
plenty for free.

I am really just comparing the reality with what some people
originally said, trying to make a broader point about peoples ideal
principals vs the reality of what happens.

Anyway the reasons I can think of why it would be useful for more some
videoblogging web-based services and softwares to be opensource are
things like:

1) Duplication of services, thus not putting all our eggs in one
basket. Ourmedia good. Ourmedia sourcecode so others can setup similar
services easily (but not with archive.org hosting) = even better. + If
the original developers disappear, the product isnt dead.

2) Less reinventing of the wheel. Leading to hopefully more global
human development hours spent on new and improved features, rather
than different people having to start from scratch every time.

3) Spreading the word about videoblogging

If the motive is purely to make videoblogging grow and be accessible
and reliable for as many people as possible, why not make it easy for
developers to add videoblogging features to their own products? Its
for this reason that, even though I said a while ago that I would
understand if fireant wasnt going to be opensource after all, I cant
help but be a little disappointed. See from my perspective I just want
there to be as many videoblog aggregators around as possible, and
making it easy for developers to add such stuff by providing
sourcecode, might help.

None of this matters if there arent the developers out there to make
use of opensource, so my stuff is theoretical in places, and Im not
demanding or even necessarily asking anybody to change their policy,
just thinking out loud really.

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Re: [videoblogging] SpeedVlogging - 7 minutes to vlog

2005-09-08 Thread Frank Carver

Thursday, September 8, 2005, 5:42:37 PM, Pete Prodoehl wrote:

> R. Kristiansen wrote:
>> Go SpeedVlog Today! Challenge someone :)

> Even if I only shot about 7 seconds of video, I don't think I could do
> it in 7 minutes. Of course I have to connect my old analog video camera,
> start the tape, digitize it, and then do the encoding/exporting on a 4
> year old Mac.

> None the less, I do see a challenge here...

"Think outside the box", Pete.

If your camera is too slow, remix something from the archive, or maybe
string together a bunch of photos with a voiceover, or spend five
minutes tweaking some editor/effect/codec settings to get an unexpected
result from some existing footage, or whatever.

I love the idea of the seven minute speedvlog, and I'm sure I'll be
trying some soon...

I know that the videoclip I recently added to the comments on one of
my old posts took much less than seven minutes to record, convert to
WMF, and post. See:
http://www.makevideo.org.uk/2005/04/26/is-this-a-videoblog-in-a-box/#comment-73 
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[videoblogging] Take a Hike

2005-09-08 Thread Roger

I like the idea of recording yourself while walking, like many of the
videobloggers are doing, but why not point a camera at your head _and_
another one at your subject?
http://www.puppetkites.net/?p=23
 Hey... this way, you don't even have to say anything, since "a
picture says 1,000 words" ;-)
 I'll let you in on a secret... I recorded these at different times...
same trail, different times. It still worked, but doing it all
simultaneously might be more effective, at least in many cases.

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[videoblogging] Re: iTunes 5 "Videos" & "Podcasts" Search Buttons

I wouldnt go as far as to call it groundbreaking, but the search bar
is useful. Its equally useful to me when Im not entering any search
terms and just want to see all my videos listed in the library but
nothing else. So Ive gone to 'edit->show search bar' so that it is
always there. 

They actually confused me a bit by calling it the search bar, its more
like a filter bar.

Id guess you are happy to see the 'booklets' option in the search bar
too, as you were talking about pdf format via RSS enclosures a while back?

My biggest iTunes feature wish is a technical one, they need to change
the way its handling video playback. If I play a 'challenging' video
in itunes, eg a h264 at high resframerate, the playback is nowhere
near sa smooth as it is in quicktime7 player. Ive been experimenting
with some 50fps stuff, and it just isnt watchable in iTunes.

This isnt desperately urgent, as theres so few people doing high-res
video at the moment, but considering Apple's own attempts to promote
HD H264, its something they need to fix sometime. Hopefully its just
the method they use to render video to the graphics card that isnt
optimised for Tiger or something, so it wont be too hard to fix. But
if its down to whatever language/development system they wrote itunes
in, or the processor performance of macs in general, then oops. Ive
not tried the PC version of itunes to see how it behaves.

Are there any proper new features in itunes5 that havent been
discussed here yet? Im still underwhelmed, but then I usually am eh.

Steve of Elbows

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash format




this is the first media aggregator to be truly open sourced:
http://openvision.tv/home/home.html

give it some more time, and you will see many more come out as 'yet another media aggregator' similar to p2p apps.  

also, as far as I know, ourmedia code is avail... uses drupal and some modules that are in the drupal cvs repository.
if not, i imagine if a serious developer requested some code, they
would get it from ourmedia dev.  truthfully, nothing on ourmedia
is so uniqie that you wouldnt be able to find code elsewhere that can
do the same thing.  

mefeedia,vlogdir,vimeo,vided and others all take advantage of
opensource software which is glued together with some custom code
to make it work as the developers want it to.  again, if serious
developers were to inquire and form a relationship, likely they would
get access to sample code etcetera... Ro has not been around, but he is
very open to helping in such ways he helped build mefeedia and his
vlog minis etc.  
ffmpeg is used often.  for instance, mefeedia's thumbnail generator uses it as does vimeo. its not a secret.
i dont think fireant intends to release code nor should they if they plan to work out business strategies.  
vlogmap is just working off the open google API.  anyone can do the same thing if they wish.  

code that makes the most sense to release are frameworks where
developers can build modules for and offer custom solutions and
consulting/support to businesses.

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I was specifically referring to software and services madespecifically for videobloggers. ourmedia, fireant, mefeedia, vlogmapwould be examples of the sorts of things I mean.Now its certainly true that it doesnt make much sense for some of
these services to be opensource, at least on face value. And I have noproblem if designers/coders decide to keep their code to themselves. Iam not trying to be negative about any of the services given asexamples above, nor demanding anything from them. They already give us
plenty for free.I am really just comparing the reality with what some peopleoriginally said, trying to make a broader point about peoples idealprincipals vs the reality of what happens.Anyway the reasons I can think of why it would be useful for more some
videoblogging web-based services and softwares to be opensource arethings like:1) Duplication of services, thus not putting all our eggs in onebasket. Ourmedia good. Ourmedia sourcecode so others can setup similar
services easily (but not with archive.org hosting) = even better. + Ifthe original developers disappear, the product isnt dead.2) Less reinventing of the wheel. Leading to hopefully more global
human development hours spent on new and improved features, ratherthan different people having to start from scratch every time.3) Spreading the word about videobloggingIf the motive is purely to make videoblogging grow and be accessible
and reliable for as many people as possible, why not make it easy fordevelopers to add videoblogging features to their own products? Itsfor this reason that, even though I said a while ago that I wouldunderstand if fireant wasnt going to be opensource after all, I cant
help but be a little disappointed. See from my perspective I just wantthere to be as many videoblog aggregators around as possible, andmaking it easy for developers to add such stuff by providingsourcecode, might help.
None of this matters if there arent the developers out there to makeuse of opensource, so my stuff is theoretical in places, and Im notdemanding or even necessarily asking anybody to change their policy,
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> maxium quality Quantizer is around 90%
> minimum quality quantizer is around 10%
> frames per second is 15.
> keyframs forced every 300 delta frames
> half-pixel motion and four vector motion engaged.
> 

I'm curious what file size ranges you're getting.  I'm looking at the
accepteable file size I should to go for quality.

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> >
> > Andrew, can you tell me are  you using Tiger? what are your  
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> > 3ivx...i have been trying to get it to work for some time now
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Re: [videoblogging] Free & Open (was To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash format)

Steve Watkins wrote:
> I was specifically referring to software and services made
> specifically for videobloggers. ourmedia, fireant, mefeedia, vlogmap
> would be examples of the sorts of things I mean.

FireANT is "freeware" (license unknown)
I/ON is "freeware" (license unknown)
DTV is GPL'd
PenguinTV is GPL'd

Ourmedia, vlogmap, mefeedia, etc. are all 'services' that are currently 
free. If any of them became 'not free' or disappeared, finding 
alternatives should be somewhat easy.

Ourmedia uses Drupal, which is open-source. I believe they feed 
changes/modules back to the Drupal community but if someone can confirm 
this, it would be helpful.

Vlogmap is at the mercy of Google, since it uses Google Map's data. It 
could be done with other mapping data, but it would probably not be as nice.

mefeedia is Peter, and if you trust him, you can trust mefeedia.

Rambling on a bit...

Feedburner, well, if you are going to use Feedburner, and you control 
your own server, at least redirect a URL on your site to their feed. 
(Clint can tell you how.)

Blog*Spot, if you trust Blogger/Google, or can only do free hosting, 
then use it.

Alternatives to depending on others? You can use Drupal, WordPress, or 
any other open-source blogging app on a web server you control, and 
serve the videos and feed from it as well. It may cost some money for 
the hosting, but using blog software for a videoblog is fairly easy and 
you don't have to worry about someone else disappearing, or selling out.

Freevlog is great because it ties together a bunch of free services into 
a great tutorial on setting up a videoblog. Feevlog does similar, but 
focuses on using paid services. Do we need a DIYvlog site as well, 
showing how to do it all yourself relying on no one else?

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[videoblogging] Re: To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash format

Your points are good and true. 

Unless its just their website being out of date, that openvision link
you sent, that stuff isnt the first to be truly opensourced either as
far as Im concerned, becaause it hasnt happened yet. One of my big
points was the difference between saying something will be opensource,
and actually releasing the code. Up until the moment they actually
clean the code up and release it, theres always the opportuunity for
them to change their minds.

I know ourmedia released the sourcecode for a version of the uploader,
but I hadnt noticed any drupal modules, but maybe Im out of date
again.  I know it wouldnt take all that much time for developers to
create similar features/modifications themselves, but its back to my
reinventing the wheel point again.

>From where Im sitting at least half the genius and value of these
tools is in the design of user interface and the features they offer,
and the clever ways the developers join different bits of technology
together in imaginitive ways. Im extremely greatful to everyone who
contributed to this stuff in any way, whether or not they ever release
any code.

Its all sharing, I just want to see just how far peoples inclination
to share will go, and true opensource is pushing it to the max. If
people think they'l be shooting themselves in the foot by going
opensource, dont do it.

I better stop nattering about this subject now, sorry if Ive posted
too much today.

Steve of Elbows 
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> this is the first media aggregator to be truly open sourced:
> http://openvision.tv/home/home.html
> 
> give it some more time, and you will see many more come out as 'yet
another 
> media aggregator' similar to p2p apps. 
> 
> also, as far as I know, ourmedia code is avail... uses drupal and some 
> modules that are in the drupal cvs repository.
> if not, i imagine if a serious developer requested some code, they
would get 
> it from ourmedia dev. truthfully, nothing on ourmedia is so uniqie
that you 
> wouldnt be able to find code elsewhere that can do the same thing. 
> 
> mefeedia,vlogdir,vimeo,vided and others all take advantage of
opensource 
> software which is glued together with some custom code to make
it work 
> as the developers want it to. again, if serious developers were to
inquire 
> and form a relationship, likely they would get access to sample code 
> etcetera... Ro has not been around, but he is very open to helping
in such 
> ways he helped build mefeedia and his vlog minis etc. 
> ffmpeg is used often. for instance, mefeedia's thumbnail generator
uses it 
> as does vimeo. its not a secret.
> i dont think fireant intends to release code nor should they if
they 
> plan to work out business strategies. 
> vlogmap is just working off the open google API. anyone can do the same 
> thing if they wish. 
> 
> code that makes the most sense to release are frameworks where
developers 
> can build modules for and offer custom solutions and
consulting/support to 
> businesses.
> 
> sull
> 
> On 9/8/05, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > I was specifically referring to software and services made
> > specifically for videobloggers. ourmedia, fireant, mefeedia, vlogmap
> > would be examples of the sorts of things I mean.
> > 
> > Now its certainly true that it doesnt make much sense for some of
> > these services to be opensource, at least on face value. And I have no
> > problem if designers/coders decide to keep their code to themselves. I
> > am not trying to be negative about any of the services given as
> > examples above, nor demanding anything from them. They already give us
> > plenty for free.
> > 
> > I am really just comparing the reality with what some people
> > originally said, trying to make a broader point about peoples ideal
> > principals vs the reality of what happens.
> > 
> > Anyway the reasons I can think of why it would be useful for more some
> > videoblogging web-based services and softwares to be opensource are
> > things like:
> > 
> > 1) Duplication of services, thus not putting all our eggs in one
> > basket. Ourmedia good. Ourmedia sourcecode so others can setup similar
> > services easily (but not with archive.org 
hosting) = 
> > even better. + If
> > the original developers disappear, the product isnt dead.
> > 
> > 2) Less reinventing of the wheel. Leading to hopefully more global
> > human development hours spent on new and improved features, rather
> > than different people having to start from scratch every time.
> > 
> > 3) Spreading the word about videoblogging
> > 
> > If the motive is purely to make videoblogging grow and be accessible
> > and reliable for as many people as possible, why not make it easy for
> > developers to add videoblogging features to their own products? Its
> > for this reason that, even though I said a while ago that I would
> > understand if fireant wasnt going to be

Re: [videoblogging] Free & Open (was To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash format)

> FireANT is "freeware" (license unknown)
> I/ON is "freeware" (license unknown)
> DTV is GPL'd
> PenguinTV is GPL'd


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[videoblogging] Re: Free & Open (was To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash

My brain get confused when people use creative commons licenses for
software.

What exactly do they apply to - the use of the software, or the
distribution of the software in executable form? Theres no sourcecode
to have a license for, so I guess it cant be for that?

If it applies to redistributing the fireant application installation
files, I guess it makes total sense. It means you arent allowed to
mess with it, you arent allowed to profit from redistributing it, and
you have to credit the developers?

But if it applies to actual use of the software, it doesnt clarify
things for me. It would mean I could not use fireant commercially.
Does this mean I could not use it as part of an interactive art
installation for example? Or if my profession were some kind of
videoblog pundit, would me viewing videoblogs with it constitute
commercial use?

I think I read once that creative commons themselves did not recommend
using their licenses for software, but I may be out of date on that one.

Final confusion: fireant websites creative commons license is
different to what you said, it says you are free to make derivative
works! Is that an error, or just the license for the website? 

Sorry for the questions. 

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> > I/ON is "freeware" (license unknown)
> > DTV is GPL'd
> > PenguinTV is GPL'd
> 
> 
> FireANT is licensed under Creative Commons (by attribution -
> non-commerical - no derivatives)
> I/ON is GPL: < http://openvision.tv/home/source.html >
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Re: [videoblogging] Free & Open (was To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash format)

Joshua Kinberg wrote:
>>FireANT is "freeware" (license unknown)
>>I/ON is "freeware" (license unknown)
>>DTV is GPL'd
>>PenguinTV is GPL'd
> 
> 
> FireANT is licensed under Creative Commons (by attribution -
> non-commerical - no derivatives)
> I/ON is GPL: < http://openvision.tv/home/source.html >

Thanks for the clarification...

I hope some day we see a video equivalent of Audacity (a free, 
open-source audio editing app for Mac/Win/*nix) so that creation of 
video can *really* get interesting. In the meantime I'm glad that iMovie 
was "free" with my Mac, but I'm starting to see some limitations in it, 
and am not in the position to shell out major dollars towards another 
video editing solution.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Free & Open (was To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash

Steve Watkins wrote:
 > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 > wrote:
 >
 >>>FireANT is "freeware" (license unknown)
 >>>I/ON is "freeware" (license unknown)
 >>>DTV is GPL'd
 >>>PenguinTV is GPL'd
 >>
 >>
 >>FireANT is licensed under Creative Commons (by attribution -
 >>non-commercial - no derivatives)
 >>I/ON is GPL: < http://openvision.tv/home/source.html >
 >>
 >>-Josh

> My brain get confused when people use creative commons licenses for
> software.
> 
> What exactly do they apply to - the use of the software, or the
> distribution of the software in executable form? Theres no sourcecode
> to have a license for, so I guess it cant be for that?
> 

I too get confused by software with CC licenses, since it can be confusing.

If this is the license Josh is specifying:

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.5/

Then these are the guidelines:

- You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or 
licensor.

- You may not use this work for commercial purposes.

- No Derivative Works. You may not alter, transform, or build upon this 
work.

Which to me would mean I can put FireANT on a CD I gave away, or put it 
on a web site for people to download, as long as I didn't sell the CD or 
charge for the download. It also suggests I could make no changes to it 
in doing so, like brand it with my own look/feel/etc.

I don't know if the FireANT guys have thought of this, but the iPodder 
Lemon guys have done some very interesting things regarding selling 
custom versions of their app http://www.ipodderlemonstore.com/> 
either with pre-loaded subscription lists, or with custom graphics, etc. 
Note they also still give away the GPL'd version, but they got creative 
in finding a way to make money from it as well.

How cool would it be to provide a download on your own site of FireANT 
that was preloaded with the feed from your videoblog and others you 
admire? You could offer it to visitors of your site who don't yet 
understand videoblogging, but trust you enough to teach them about it...

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[videoblogging] Interconnected services / security of data / APIs

Sorry Ive just got thoughts related to my previous opensource ranting
buzzing round my head, but a bit more specific, Im remembering some of
my reasons for caring about this stuff.

A while ago when many of the tools were new and still in initial
development, there used to be a lot more tech talk here about things
such as tags and how differnt applications could connect to different
websites, how different sites could ahre data with eachother etc.

Now theres been loads of great progress in these areas, and Im a bit
out of date with it all. But I recall that at least once or twice, we
got onto issues about how different services could share data, make
tagging more effective, etc. I dont hear so much about this stuff here
recently, so I wondered how things like mefeedia and fireants tagging
stuff is doing. Are there many or any impenetrable islands of data,
and pieces of the videoblogging services/software jigsaw that are
totally disconnected. All with the aim of making tagging etc systems
more useful by having data from multiple sources etc, that sort of thing.

Pete used the word 'trust' a few imes in his reply to me, which is
understandable, but my opensource rants werent really about trust. If
I didnt trust any person, service or software, Id never use it in the
first place. Its far more about having 'redundancy' in the system, if
one server, service or app dissapears for any reason, how badly does
it affect videobloggers? Is there any way to help guard against this,
can opensource play a part? 

To what extent is datasharing between services occuring already, are
any of them feature & datarich enough, and matured enough to the
developers satisfaction, to ideally offer API's of their own?

Or if none of this makes sense or Ive gone in at too narrow an angle
to have a conversation about it, hows the videoblogging world doing
with metadata sharing and metadata in general? Is tagging working for
videoblogs, do any of these topics have anything to do with whether we
could ever offer a better videoblog viewer stats system. What was the
final outcome of the debate about how a non-centralised videoblog
directory for use by apps like fireant is best achieved? How did I get
so out of date on all this stuff?  

Cheers

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Re: [videoblogging] Take a Hike

2005-09-08 Thread Frank Carver

Thursday, September 8, 2005, 8:15:07 PM, Roger wrote:

> I like the idea of recording yourself while walking, like many of the
> videobloggers are doing, but why not point a camera at your head _and_
> another one at your subject?
> http://www.puppetkites.net/?p=23
>  Hey... this way, you don't even have to say anything, since "a
> picture says 1,000 words" ;-)
>  I'll let you in on a secret... I recorded these at different times...
> same trail, different times. It still worked, but doing it all
> simultaneously might be more effective, at least in many cases.

I did a similar thing a while back (minus the 3D, of course)
http://www.makevideo.org.uk/2005/05/01/both-sides-now/ >

Since then I've been thinking about how to do this properly. I have
noticed that there is at least one phone with two cameras (Nokia 6680)
but I have been so far unable to find out if you can get it to record
from both at once.

Anyone know of any gadgets that can record two video streams?

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash format

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:43:17 +0200, Michael Sullivan  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> i dont think fireant intends to release code nor should they if they
> plan to work out business strategies.

When the first versions of ANT was being developed we were told it would  
be open source. The obviously didn't happen. FireANT has a Creative  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash format




i hear ya.  i suppose their is also a difference between an organized effort to be opensource verses 'sharing code' ;-)
the trend these days is to have an open API, but not share source code.  
also, the opensource movement, in relation to code,  can be looked
at as overrated.  their is prob a 9 to 1 ration of incomplete
outdated projects verses active projects and often you see a 
cyclic nature where initial project leads get bored, leave and let
somone else take over , until they get bored and leave etcetera
still, much good has come from the opensource community.  again,
sharing code verses sharing complete working software  are
different things and i guess we sometimes  blur them.  

btw, good eye on openvision... i somehow thought the code was already
released.  i have a feeling they will indeed release it though, as
they seem to subscribe to the notion of making money by offering
services, as they are the experts of their code ;-) 

sull
 On 9/8/05, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Your points are good and true.Unless its just their website being out of date, that openvision linkyou sent, that stuff isnt the first to be truly opensourced either asfar as Im concerned, becaause it hasnt happened yet. One of my big
points was the difference between saying something will be opensource,and actually releasing the code. Up until the moment they actuallyclean the code up and release it, theres always the opportuunity forthem to change their minds.
I know ourmedia released the sourcecode for a version of the uploader,but I hadnt noticed any drupal modules, but maybe Im out of dateagain.  I know it wouldnt take all that much time for developers to
create similar features/modifications themselves, but its back to myreinventing the wheel point again.From where Im sitting at least half the genius and value of thesetools is in the design of user interface and the features they offer,
and the clever ways the developers join different bits of technologytogether in imaginitive ways. Im extremely greatful to everyone whocontributed to this stuff in any way, whether or not they ever release
any code.Its all sharing, I just want to see just how far peoples inclinationto share will go, and true opensource is pushing it to the max. Ifpeople think they'l be shooting themselves in the foot by going
opensource, dont do it.I better stop nattering about this subject now, sorry if Ive postedtoo much today.Steve of Elbows--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
, Michael Sullivan<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> this is the first media aggregator to be truly open sourced:> http://openvision.tv/home/home.html
>> give it some more time, and you will see many more come out as 'yetanother> media aggregator' similar to p2p apps.>> also, as far as I know, ourmedia code is avail... uses drupal and some
> modules that are in the drupal cvs repository.> if not, i imagine if a serious developer requested some code, theywould get> it from ourmedia dev. truthfully, nothing on ourmedia is so uniqie
that you> wouldnt be able to find code elsewhere that can do the same thing.>> mefeedia,vlogdir,vimeo,vided and others all take advantage ofopensource> software which is glued together with some custom code to make
it work> as the developers want it to. again, if serious developers were toinquire> and form a relationship, likely they would get access to sample code> etcetera... Ro has not been around, but he is very open to helping
in such> ways he helped build mefeedia and his vlog minis etc.> ffmpeg is used often. for instance, mefeedia's thumbnail generatoruses it> as does vimeo. its not a secret.> i dont think fireant intends to release code nor should they if
they> plan to work out business strategies.> vlogmap is just working off the open google API. anyone can do the same> thing if they wish.>> code that makes the most sense to release are frameworks where
developers> can build modules for and offer custom solutions andconsulting/support to> businesses.>> sull>> On 9/8/05, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >
> > I was specifically referring to software and services made> > specifically for videobloggers. ourmedia, fireant, mefeedia, vlogmap> > would be examples of the sorts of things I mean.> >
> > Now its certainly true that it doesnt make much sense for some of> > these services to be opensource, at least on face value. And I have no> > problem if designers/coders decide to keep their code to themselves. I
> > am not trying to be negative about any of the services given as> > examples above, nor demanding anything from them. They already give us> > plenty for free.> >> > I am really just comparing the reality with what some people
> > originally said, trying to make a broader point about peoples ideal> > principals vs the reality of what happens.> >> > Anyway the reasons I can think of why it would be useful for more some
> > videoblogging web-based services and softwares to be opensource are> > things like:> >> >

[videoblogging] Re: Interconnected services / security of data / APIs

Thanks for bringing this up.  I've been wondering about tagging which
I haven't used yet.  It seems so unstructured and open that I'm not
sure how to tag things so they'll be found.  I would think people can
use several words for the same meaning.  And one word can have several
meanings.  I do think tags need to be loosely coupled, but I think
there should be some recommended structure and guidelines.

   -- Enric

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorry Ive just got thoughts related to my previous opensource ranting
> buzzing round my head, but a bit more specific, Im remembering some of
> my reasons for caring about this stuff.
> 
> A while ago when many of the tools were new and still in initial
> development, there used to be a lot more tech talk here about things
> such as tags and how differnt applications could connect to different
> websites, how different sites could ahre data with eachother etc.
> 
> Now theres been loads of great progress in these areas, and Im a bit
> out of date with it all. But I recall that at least once or twice, we
> got onto issues about how different services could share data, make
> tagging more effective, etc. I dont hear so much about this stuff here
> recently, so I wondered how things like mefeedia and fireants tagging
> stuff is doing. Are there many or any impenetrable islands of data,
> and pieces of the videoblogging services/software jigsaw that are
> totally disconnected. All with the aim of making tagging etc systems
> more useful by having data from multiple sources etc, that sort of
thing.
> 
> Pete used the word 'trust' a few imes in his reply to me, which is
> understandable, but my opensource rants werent really about trust. If
> I didnt trust any person, service or software, Id never use it in the
> first place. Its far more about having 'redundancy' in the system, if
> one server, service or app dissapears for any reason, how badly does
> it affect videobloggers? Is there any way to help guard against this,
> can opensource play a part? 
> 
> To what extent is datasharing between services occuring already, are
> any of them feature & datarich enough, and matured enough to the
> developers satisfaction, to ideally offer API's of their own?
> 
> Or if none of this makes sense or Ive gone in at too narrow an angle
> to have a conversation about it, hows the videoblogging world doing
> with metadata sharing and metadata in general? Is tagging working for
> videoblogs, do any of these topics have anything to do with whether we
> could ever offer a better videoblog viewer stats system. What was the
> final outcome of the debate about how a non-centralised videoblog
> directory for use by apps like fireant is best achieved? How did I get
> so out of date on all this stuff?  
> 
> Cheers
> 
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[videoblogging] Bill Gates videoblogged...






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RE: [videoblogging] Free & Open (was To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash format)

 
> I hope some day we see a video equivalent of Audacity (a free,
> open-source audio editing app for Mac/Win/*nix) so that creation of
> video can *really* get interesting. In the meantime I'm glad that iMovie
> was "free" with my Mac, but I'm starting to see some limitations in it,
> and am not in the position to shell out major dollars towards another
> video editing solution.

Windows users have Virtual Dub, which could theoretically be ported to other
operating systems by someone with the motivation to make it happen. It's
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Free & Open (was To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash

> Which to me would mean I can put FireANT on a CD I gave away, or put it
> on a web site for people to download, as long as I didn't sell the CD or
> charge for the download. It also suggests I could make no changes to it
> in doing so, like brand it with my own look/feel/etc.

Not without getting permission... or a separate license.


> I don't know if the FireANT guys have thought of this, but the iPodder
> Lemon guys have done some very interesting things regarding selling
> custom versions of their app http://www.ipodderlemonstore.com/>
> either with pre-loaded subscription lists, or with custom graphics, etc.
> Note they also still give away the GPL'd version, but they got creative
> in finding a way to make money from it as well.

Yep, I know about it. Not sure if they've actually made any money
doing this. There is also no stopping anyone else from doing this
since the software is GPL. I could open my own iPodderLemonStore and
sell their software and they wouldn't see a dime for their efforts.
So, there are definite limits on how successful this very approach
would be. If it were sucessful, it would be poached.


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Interconnected services / security of data / APIs

We moved much of the developers discussion to a different list.
There are initiatives to share feeds between various directories as
well as sharing tag data.
FireANT, MeFeedia, Blip, VlogDir, VlogMap, and others are participating.
Be patient, we are all working on these individual services, which
takes precedence before we begin opening them up and sharing them,
which is the plan. FireANT and MeFeedia both have the beginnings of
open APIs in development.

-Josh


On 9/8/05, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for bringing this up.  I've been wondering about tagging which
> I haven't used yet.  It seems so unstructured and open that I'm not
> sure how to tag things so they'll be found.  I would think people can
> use several words for the same meaning.  And one word can have several
> meanings.  I do think tags need to be loosely coupled, but I think
> there should be some recommended structure and guidelines.
> 
>-- Enric
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > Sorry Ive just got thoughts related to my previous opensource ranting
> > buzzing round my head, but a bit more specific, Im remembering some of
> > my reasons for caring about this stuff.
> >
> > A while ago when many of the tools were new and still in initial
> > development, there used to be a lot more tech talk here about things
> > such as tags and how differnt applications could connect to different
> > websites, how different sites could ahre data with eachother etc.
> >
> > Now theres been loads of great progress in these areas, and Im a bit
> > out of date with it all. But I recall that at least once or twice, we
> > got onto issues about how different services could share data, make
> > tagging more effective, etc. I dont hear so much about this stuff here
> > recently, so I wondered how things like mefeedia and fireants tagging
> > stuff is doing. Are there many or any impenetrable islands of data,
> > and pieces of the videoblogging services/software jigsaw that are
> > totally disconnected. All with the aim of making tagging etc systems
> > more useful by having data from multiple sources etc, that sort of
> thing.
> >
> > Pete used the word 'trust' a few imes in his reply to me, which is
> > understandable, but my opensource rants werent really about trust. If
> > I didnt trust any person, service or software, Id never use it in the
> > first place. Its far more about having 'redundancy' in the system, if
> > one server, service or app dissapears for any reason, how badly does
> > it affect videobloggers? Is there any way to help guard against this,
> > can opensource play a part?
> >
> > To what extent is datasharing between services occuring already, are
> > any of them feature & datarich enough, and matured enough to the
> > developers satisfaction, to ideally offer API's of their own?
> >
> > Or if none of this makes sense or Ive gone in at too narrow an angle
> > to have a conversation about it, hows the videoblogging world doing
> > with metadata sharing and metadata in general? Is tagging working for
> > videoblogs, do any of these topics have anything to do with whether we
> > could ever offer a better videoblog viewer stats system. What was the
> > final outcome of the debate about how a non-centralised videoblog
> > directory for use by apps like fireant is best achieved? How did I get
> > so out of date on all this stuff?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Steve of Elbows
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [videoblogging] Bill Gates videoblogged...

2005-09-08 Thread Loiez D.



Hello,I can't create an account to response to BG;-)May be it's because :- i am french- i am using a powerbook G4 - May be there is a buggLoiezhttp://loiez.orgLe 8 sept. 05 à 22:57, Robert Scoble a écrit :  I videoblogged Bill Gates:   http://channel9.msdn.com/showpost.aspx?postid=111598   Well, OK, I interviewed him with my trusty Panasonic camcorder. No video crew. No audio crew. No lighting crew. Just me and Bill.   Robert  SPONSORED LINKS  Individual  Fireant  Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 




  
  
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[videoblogging] Re: Bill Gates videoblogged...

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Scoble"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I videoblogged Bill Gates:
>  
> http://channel9.msdn.com/showpost.aspx?postid=111598
>  
> Well, OK, I interviewed him with my trusty Panasonic camcorder. No video
> crew. No audio crew. No lighting crew. Just me and Bill.
>  
> Robert

Good interview and you're a good interviewer.  The question I would
find interesting to ask Bill Gates should you have the opportunity, is
what he thinks the impact of open source will be.

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Re: [videoblogging] Bill Gates videoblogged...

2005-09-08 Thread andrew michael baron



Wow, pretty cool!That's awesome that you got him to go for it!Can we do mashups!? I noticed he said "Uh" a  lot. ;)On Sep 8, 2005, at 4:57 PM, Robert Scoble wrote:  I videoblogged Bill Gates:   http://channel9.msdn.com/showpost.aspx?postid=111598   Well, OK, I interviewed him with my trusty Panasonic camcorder. No video crew. No audio crew. No lighting crew. Just me and Bill.   Robert  SPONSORED LINKS  Individual  Fireant  Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 

  




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Bill Gates videoblogged...

Robert Scoble wrote:
> I videoblogged Bill Gates:
>  
> http://channel9.msdn.com/showpost.aspx?postid=111598
>  
> Well, OK, I interviewed him with my trusty Panasonic camcorder. No video
> crew. No audio crew. No lighting crew. Just me and Bill.

Robert, can you fix the RSS feed at:

   http://channel9.msdn.com/rss.aspx

so it validates? ;)

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RE: [videoblogging] Bill Gates videoblogged...






That's why I gave you a high-resolution download! But don't 
tell anyone I gave you permission. :-)
 
Robert


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videoblogged...
Wow, pretty cool!

That's awesome that you got him to go for it!

Can we do mashups!? I noticed he said "Uh" a lot. ;)






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RE: [videoblogging] Bill Gates videoblogged...






I'll send this to the team. Sorry.
Robert


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Hello,

I can't create an account to response to BG;-)

May be it's because :
- i am french
- i am using a powerbook G4 
- May be there is a bugg

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RE: [videoblogging] Re: Bill Gates videoblogged...






We got invited back. I'll definitely ask him some more of 
the hard questions next time. 
 
Robert


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Thursday, September 08, 2005 2:32 PMTo: 
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videoblogged...
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Scoble"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> I videoblogged Bill 
Gates:>  > http://channel9.msdn.com/showpost.aspx?postid=111598>  
> Well, OK, I interviewed him with my trusty Panasonic camcorder. No 
video> crew. No audio crew. No lighting crew. Just me and 
Bill.>  > RobertGood interview and you're a good 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: iTunes 5 "Videos" & "Podcasts" Search Buttons

I tend toward the hyperbolic when it comes to Apple and Steve Jobs. I  
completely overlooked the bool;et = pdf feature so yes I am overjoyed  
about that. I don't know why they didn't call it PDF. As Madonna  
would say "That is so DUH". The complete list (from my report at  
http://FutureMedia.org ) of new features:

• Time Display same as iPod - Elapsed left end, Remaining right end
• Playlist Folders - combine playlists into folders
• Search Bar - easier to find tracks
• "VIDEOS" Isolator button for motion pictures
• "Booklets" Isolator button for PDF enclosures
• Microsoft Outlook for Windows Auto Synching Contacts and Calendars
• Snart Shuffle - choose frequency of artist and album track repeats
• Album Reviews - helps you learn what the albums are about
• Parental Controls - keeps kids from downloading explicit content

-- 
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Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley
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On Sep 8, 2005, at 12:21 PM, Steve Watkins wrote:

> I wouldnt go as far as to call it groundbreaking, but the search bar
> is useful. Its equally useful to me when Im not entering any search
> terms and just want to see all my videos listed in the library but
> nothing else. So Ive gone to 'edit->show search bar' so that it is
> always there.
>
> They actually confused me a bit by calling it the search bar, its more
> like a filter bar.
>
> Id guess you are happy to see the 'booklets' option in the search bar
> too, as you were talking about pdf format via RSS enclosures a  
> while back?
>
> My biggest iTunes feature wish is a technical one, they need to change
> the way its handling video playback. If I play a 'challenging' video
> in itunes, eg a h264 at high resframerate, the playback is nowhere
> near sa smooth as it is in quicktime7 player. Ive been experimenting
> with some 50fps stuff, and it just isnt watchable in iTunes.
>
> This isnt desperately urgent, as theres so few people doing high-res
> video at the moment, but considering Apple's own attempts to promote
> HD H264, its something they need to fix sometime. Hopefully its just
> the method they use to render video to the graphics card that isnt
> optimised for Tiger or something, so it wont be too hard to fix. But
> if its down to whatever language/development system they wrote itunes
> in, or the processor performance of macs in general, then oops. Ive
> not tried the PC version of itunes to see how it behaves.
>
> Are there any proper new features in itunes5 that havent been
> discussed here yet? Im still underwhelmed, but then I usually am eh.





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Re: [videoblogging] Bill Gates videoblogged...

He also said a lot that wasn't "uh".
This was fantastic, Robert.
Amazing interview.

-Josh


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> That's why I gave you a high-resolution download! But don't  tell anyone I 
> gave you permission. :-) 
>   
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> 
>  
> That's awesome that you got him to go for it! 
> 
>  
> Can we do mashups!? I noticed he said "Uh" a lot. ;) 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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> Ivideoblogged Bill Gates:   
>
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[videoblogging] Good instruction book for Mac beginner

2005-09-08 Thread Randolfe Wicker






I have a new Mac.  I wondered if anyone could 
suggest a good book/aid to use while learning how to use it.  I have only 
worked on PCs in the past.
 
I got it with Final Cut Express installed but first 
have to learn to use iMovie.
 
Any suggestions will be welcome.  Please 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Free & Open (was To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash

Joshua Kinberg wrote:
>>Which to me would mean I can put FireANT on a CD I gave away, or put it
>>on a web site for people to download, as long as I didn't sell the CD or
>>charge for the download. It also suggests I could make no changes to it
>>in doing so, like brand it with my own look/feel/etc.
> 
> Not without getting permission... or a separate license.

Right, there's always the option of getting a different license. Some 
open-source companies do this, such as MySQL. I always thought that was 
one of the ideas behind CC, was that there was a default license, and if 
you wanted a different one, you could deal with the creator.

>>I don't know if the FireANT guys have thought of this, but the iPodder
>>Lemon guys have done some very interesting things regarding selling
>>custom versions of their app http://www.ipodderlemonstore.com/>
>>either with pre-loaded subscription lists, or with custom graphics, etc.
>>Note they also still give away the GPL'd version, but they got creative
>>in finding a way to make money from it as well.
> 
> 
> Yep, I know about it. Not sure if they've actually made any money
> doing this. There is also no stopping anyone else from doing this
> since the software is GPL. I could open my own iPodderLemonStore and
> sell their software and they wouldn't see a dime for their efforts.
> So, there are definite limits on how successful this very approach
> would be. If it were sucessful, it would be poached.

I've heard from one of the iPodder developers that they were doing ok 
with the store, and did really well when they did the custom iPodder 
version for the House of Wax movie. I even talked about the fact that I 
could just customize my version with a playlist and graphics, and was 
advised to "go for it." You certainly could clone what they are doing, 
but you'd be looking at a huge investment of time to do so, which might 
offset any commercial gain you get from it. Also, you seem to be 
equating "successful" with "making money" which isn't to say you 
shouldn't, but too many people do, IMO...

Releasing something as open-source generally means you make the source 
code available upon request. You can sell the binaries, sell support, 
sell CD's, whatever. You don't even have to provide instructions on how 
to build the software, just make the code available if someone who has 
the application asks for it.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Free & Open (was To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 23:12:16 +0200, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

>> Which to me would mean I can put FireANT on a CD I gave away, or put it
>> on a web site for people to download, as long as I didn't sell the CD or
>> charge for the download. It also suggests I could make no changes to it
>> in doing so, like brand it with my own look/feel/etc.
>
> Not without getting permission... or a separate license.

What? If FireANT is licensed under the by-nc-nd license I am free to  
(among other things) copy and distribute the work non-commercially. If you  
don't want people doing that change the license. If you feel that the  
by-nc-nd license does not give me that right you might want to re-read the  
license text...

Under the by-nc-nd it is perfectly legit for me to make a copy and start  
offering downloads free of charge - or to hand out cds with FireANT to all  
my friends. You gave me that right when you picked the license.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Free & Open (was To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash

I think I misinterpreted. Pete wouldn't be allowed to make modifications  
like a rebranding. Everything else is fine.

- Andreas

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:00:38 +0200, Andreas Haugstrup  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 23:12:16 +0200, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>>> Which to me would mean I can put FireANT on a CD I gave away, or put it
>>> on a web site for people to download, as long as I didn't sell the CD  
>>> or
>>> charge for the download. It also suggests I could make no changes to it
>>> in doing so, like brand it with my own look/feel/etc.
>>
>> Not without getting permission... or a separate license.
>
> What? If FireANT is licensed under the by-nc-nd license I am free to
> (among other things) copy and distribute the work non-commercially. If  
> you
> don't want people doing that change the license. If you feel that the
> by-nc-nd license does not give me that right you might want to re-read  
> the
> license text...
>
> Under the by-nc-nd it is perfectly legit for me to make a copy and start
> offering downloads free of charge - or to hand out cds with FireANT to  
> all
> my friends. You gave me that right when you picked the license.
>
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Free & Open (was To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash

Sorry Andreas... this is out of context.

Yes, the use cases you describe are correct.

What is not legit is distributing modifications of the software
(derivatives) in order to put your own look and feel on it
(re-branding) without permission.

Hope this clarifies our current license structure.

-Josh


> >> Which to me would mean I can put FireANT on a CD I gave away, or put it
> >> on a web site for people to download, as long as I didn't sell the CD or
> >> charge for the download. It also suggests I could make no changes to it
> >> in doing so, like brand it with my own look/feel/etc.
> >
> > Not without getting permission... or a separate license.
> 
> What? If FireANT is licensed under the by-nc-nd license I am free to
> (among other things) copy and distribute the work non-commercially. If you
> don't want people doing that change the license. If you feel that the
> by-nc-nd license does not give me that right you might want to re-read the
> license text...
> 
> Under the by-nc-nd it is perfectly legit for me to make a copy and start
> offering downloads free of charge - or to hand out cds with FireANT to all
> my friends. You gave me that right when you picked the license.
> 
> - Andreas
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Free & Open (was To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash

i like the custom ipodder concept.
if fireant takes my suggestion/feature request to make it dynamically
branded based on which feed you are looking at (channel logo would
appear that links home to site), then i'd be just as happy.
they can also offer fully branded interfaces for corporations...
including custom menus, logos, integrated browser,directory and other
server side pages, preloaded feeds, colors and so on.

i think this may be the only way to make money besides offering support.
soon, these apps are going to be a dime a dozen and it may even be
cheap for corporations to build themselves if the proper frameworks are
available, like the java based openvision app.
not to mention your web browser will have all this stuff integrated soon enough as well.

sull
On 9/8/05, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Joshua Kinberg wrote:>>Which to me would mean I can put FireANT on a CD I gave away, or put it>>on a web site for people to download, as long as I didn't sell the CD or>>charge for the download. It also suggests I could make no changes to it
>>in doing so, like brand it with my own look/feel/etc.>> Not without getting permission... or a separate license.Right, there's always the option of getting a different license. Someopen-source companies do this, such as MySQL. I always thought that was
one of the ideas behind CC, was that there was a default license, and ifyou wanted a different one, you could deal with the creator.>>I don't know if the FireANT guys have thought of this, but the iPodder
>>Lemon guys have done some very interesting things regarding selling>>custom versions of their app http://www.ipodderlemonstore.com/>>>either with pre-loaded subscription lists, or with custom graphics, etc.
>>Note they also still give away the GPL'd version, but they got creative>>in finding a way to make money from it as well.>>> Yep, I know about it. Not sure if they've actually made any money
> doing this. There is also no stopping anyone else from doing this> since the software is GPL. I could open my own iPodderLemonStore and> sell their software and they wouldn't see a dime for their efforts.
> So, there are definite limits on how successful this very approach> would be. If it were sucessful, it would be poached.I've heard from one of the iPodder developers that they were doing okwith the store, and did really well when they did the custom iPodder
version for the House of Wax movie. I even talked about the fact that Icould just customize my version with a playlist and graphics, and wasadvised to "go for it." You certainly could clone what they are doing,
but you'd be looking at a huge investment of time to do so, which mightoffset any commercial gain you get from it. Also, you seem to beequating "successful" with "making money" which isn't to say you
shouldn't, but too many people do, IMO...Releasing something as open-source generally means you make the sourcecode available upon request. You can sell the binaries, sell support,sell CD's, whatever. You don't even have to provide instructions on how
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Free & Open (was To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:07:18 +0200, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> Hope this clarifies our current license structure.

It does. It also explains why there's no download of the source code  
available (with no derrivs allowed you have no use for it).

In the begining there was a lot of talk and, I guess, a form of  
reassurance that ANT would be an open source product. Can you say a bit  
about why you abandonded that strategy? I have my own ideas, but I'd like  
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Re: [videoblogging] Bill Gates videoblogged...

Fantastic. How did you get access? Where is the PDC next week?
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On Sep 8, 2005, at 1:57 PM, Robert Scoble wrote:

> I videoblogged Bill Gates:
>
> http://channel9.msdn.com/showpost.aspx?postid=111598
>
> Well, OK, I interviewed him with my trusty Panasonic camcorder. No  
> video crew. No audio crew. No lighting crew. Just me and Bill.
>
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Re: [videoblogging] itunes 1 click script???

I don't know how he figured it out, but one of these good people knew  
how to find my iTunes address and posted it for me and one other  
Directory listed member about a week ago. I never asked how he  
figured it out. Maybe he'll see this post and tell us. I can't figure  
it out myself. I've looked at all the menu items.

Mine is < http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/ 
viewPodcast?id=78789291 >

BTW Steve reported there are already 15,000 iTunes Directory Podcast  
Listings, growing at the rate of 1,000 a week with 7 million  
subscriptions after these first 70 days.

All the facts about Podcasts & the store:

  • 7 million subscriptions to date in 60 days
• 15 k listed in the Podcast Directory
• Growing at 1k per week
• 21 languages - Estonian, Finnish, Serbian & Thai
• 2 Million Songs in the iTunes Library
• 10 Million Accounts all with credit cards
• 60 songs purchased per account average
• One of the largest internet stores in the world perhaps only second  
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On Sep 8, 2005, at 11:18 AM, DrLinton Hutchinson wrote:

> 1. What was that script to link a button that people could click on to
> access your vlog on itunes?
> 2. How do you find the pathway that itunes uses for your vlog?

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[videoblogging] Re: Bill Gates videoblogged...

2005-09-08 Thread Jack Olmsted

Thanks Robert,

I have been trying to Video Blog various executives all summer long. 
Now, that Bill has set a low production value bar, hopefully it will 
encourage the VIP crowd to take the plunge. 

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video
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>  
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[videoblogging] Re: Free & Open (was To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash

Many thanks for your clarifications so far :)

Got a few remaining complications though, confusing things that it
would be lovely for you to fix when theres a convenient moment:

The readme file for the fireant download mac version on your website,
and it still says ' ANT is freeware. It will be open source.'

The creative commons licence on the fireant site is one that says
derivatives are permitted. Id recommend you also make reference to
this license somewhere other than at the bottom of the site. Maybe you
already have and I just didnt spot it.

As far as I can tell theres no restrictions on the actual use of the
program except for the disclaimer about you not being liable for
damages etc.

Can anybody knowledgeable in license issues tell me whether the use of
the copyright symbol on the 'about fireant' screen in mac version
1.0b3, contradicts in any way any of the other licensing stuff?

To apply that point more generally, if I use a creative commons
license for my videoblog, and I also put a copyright message on a
title in the videoblog, is it a license mess and invalid combination?

I must seem like the worlds greatest pedant, but I dont think
licensing stuff is that useful unless its unambiguous.

Steve of Elbows

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sorry Andreas... this is out of context.
> 
> Yes, the use cases you describe are correct.
> 
> What is not legit is distributing modifications of the software
> (derivatives) in order to put your own look and feel on it
> (re-branding) without permission.
> 
> Hope this clarifies our current license structure.
> 
> -Josh
> 
> 
> > >> Which to me would mean I can put FireANT on a CD I gave away,
or put it
> > >> on a web site for people to download, as long as I didn't sell
the CD or
> > >> charge for the download. It also suggests I could make no
changes to it
> > >> in doing so, like brand it with my own look/feel/etc.
> > >
> > > Not without getting permission... or a separate license.
> > 
> > What? If FireANT is licensed under the by-nc-nd license I am free to
> > (among other things) copy and distribute the work
non-commercially. If you
> > don't want people doing that change the license. If you feel that the
> > by-nc-nd license does not give me that right you might want to
re-read the
> > license text...
> > 
> > Under the by-nc-nd it is perfectly legit for me to make a copy and
start
> > offering downloads free of charge - or to hand out cds with
FireANT to all
> > my friends. You gave me that right when you picked the license.
> > 
> > - Andreas
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Free & Open (was To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:25:23 +0200, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> The readme file for the fireant download mac version on your website,
> and it still says '• ANT is freeware. It will be open source.'

What's worse is that the 'About FireANT' section in the Windows version  
has no mention of Creative Commons at all. It says 'Copyright 2005  
ANTisNOTTV, All Rights Reserved'. That should be changed if FireANT is  
licensed under Creative Commons.

> Can anybody knowledgeable in license issues tell me whether the use of
> the copyright symbol on the 'about fireant' screen in mac version
> 1.0b3, contradicts in any way any of the other licensing stuff?

It doesn't. You don't give away your copyright when you choose a CC  
license. It is just that, a license.

> To apply that point more generally, if I use a creative commons
> license for my videoblog, and I also put a copyright message on a
> title in the videoblog, is it a license mess and invalid combination?

No. This is why you see the trademark 'Copyright 2005. Some Rights  
Reserved' on CC licensed content. You don't give up all your copyrights -  
you voluntarily give up *some* of your rights.

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RE: [videoblogging] Re: Bill Gates videoblogged...

>how did you get access? 
 
I've been doing the video blog at http://channel9.msdn.com  for 1.5 years
and Bill begged for an interview in Business Week. It still took six months
to schedule it and get the PR people to relax. Even at the last minute they
tried to give my slot to Rolling Stone magazine. ;-)
 
The PDC is in Los Angeles. Some of it will be broadcast, but I've been doing
a ton of videos for Channel 9. Next week will see a ton of news. 
 
>I have been trying to Video Blog various executives all summer long.

Getting execs to give interviews is hard. Heck, I work here and it's hard
(we posted more than 500 videos before getting an interview with Bill). Hope
you get some cool interviews!
 
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RE: [videoblogging] itunes 1 click script???

 
> I don't know how he figured it out, but one of these good people knew
> how to find my iTunes address and posted it for me and one other
> Directory listed member about a week ago. I never asked how he
> figured it out. Maybe he'll see this post and tell us. I can't figure
> it out myself. I've looked at all the menu items.

Right-click the title of your listing and Copy iTunes Music Store URL.

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[videoblogging] Re: Free & Open (was To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash

Cheers for the cclarification, yes that makes sense, its amazing how
quickly I get rusty on these things when I dont think about them for a
few months.

In terms of how creative commons and other alternative licenses are
progressing in terms of use in the videoblogging world, I expect one
things thats olding it back is the number of people that ignore
copyright of others work.

Whats even worse is people mixing the two. Am I right to say that if
someone uses copyrighted music in their videoblog, and then they use a
creative comons license for their videoblog, its invalid?

eg if I use copyrighted music and then give my videoblog away with
derivatives permitted, or even redistribution permitted, the license
wont stand up in court? Because I dont have the rights too the
original work I used, I cant give those rights away to anyone else?

Finally, what does it mean on the creative commons site when it says that:

Every license:
 is not revocable

Does this mean that if I accidentally publish a work with license that
gives away more rights than I meant to, that it is too late to change
it? Or at least too late to change it for people whove already used
the work on the basis of the original license?

Because for example its not true to say that fireant definately
couldnt be rebranded without having the source code. There are
sometimes other ways. If they accidentally put the derivatives allowed
license on the site, when they meant not to allow derivatives, is it
too late for them to prevent me from making fireant derivatives?

I am not intending to do anything so nasty by the way, just wanting to
understand the legalstuff once and for all.

Cheers

Steve of Elbows

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Haugstrup"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:25:23 +0200, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
> 
> > The readme file for the fireant download mac version on your website,
> > and it still says 'â¢ ANT is freeware. It will be open source.'
> 
> What's worse is that the 'About FireANT' section in the Windows
version  
> has no mention of Creative Commons at all. It says 'Copyright 2005  
> ANTisNOTTV, All Rights Reserved'. That should be changed if FireANT is  
> licensed under Creative Commons.
> 
> > Can anybody knowledgeable in license issues tell me whether the use of
> > the copyright symbol on the 'about fireant' screen in mac version
> > 1.0b3, contradicts in any way any of the other licensing stuff?
> 
> It doesn't. You don't give away your copyright when you choose a CC  
> license. It is just that, a license.
> 
> > To apply that point more generally, if I use a creative commons
> > license for my videoblog, and I also put a copyright message on a
> > title in the videoblog, is it a license mess and invalid combination?
> 
> No. This is why you see the trademark 'Copyright 2005. Some Rights  
> Reserved' on CC licensed content. You don't give up all your
copyrights -  
> you voluntarily give up *some* of your rights.
> 
> - Andreas
> -- 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Free & Open (was To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash

OK, full disclosure on this... we're not lawyers. We're regular people
trying to make a cool product and a business out of something we
started on our own. We're learning as we go. There are definitely some
things that we hope to clarify on our website and in our licensing
agreement (that thing that most people just click OK on and never
read).

There are many things in the original Mac version of FireANT that have
changed since we first started the project. We had not chosen a
license at the time we released it in January, and in fact we're still
trying to figure out the wild world of software licensing in many
ways. We originally wanted to go with an open source license (there
are many many different kinds and it can be very difficult to figure
out), but ultimately we were not able to work out how to sustain a
business and keep producing FireAnt under an open source license.

We work incredibly hard to make this product for free, and we intend
it always to be free. We want to spend all our time doing this and not
have to have other jobs to eat and pay the rent. This is not easy. So
we need to figure out ways to remain sustainable while giving away all
our time and energy to a free product. The amazing thing is that this
is even possible.

Open source is about more than source code. Its about sharing
knowledge and resources too. I think we do way more than our fair
share in terms of education and outreach. I think this is way more
effective than giving away source code. What we want is for more
people to become videobloggers. To begin creating and sharing media.
It is to this end that we are dedicating our energies.

-Josh

On 9/8/05, Andreas Haugstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:25:23 +0200, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > The readme file for the fireant download mac version on your website,
> > and it still says '• ANT is freeware. It will be open source.'
> 
> What's worse is that the 'About FireANT' section in the Windows version
> has no mention of Creative Commons at all. It says 'Copyright 2005
> ANTisNOTTV, All Rights Reserved'. That should be changed if FireANT is
> licensed under Creative Commons.
> 
> > Can anybody knowledgeable in license issues tell me whether the use of
> > the copyright symbol on the 'about fireant' screen in mac version
> > 1.0b3, contradicts in any way any of the other licensing stuff?
> 
> It doesn't. You don't give away your copyright when you choose a CC
> license. It is just that, a license.
> 
> > To apply that point more generally, if I use a creative commons
> > license for my videoblog, and I also put a copyright message on a
> > title in the videoblog, is it a license mess and invalid combination?
> 
> No. This is why you see the trademark 'Copyright 2005. Some Rights
> Reserved' on CC licensed content. You don't give up all your copyrights -
> you voluntarily give up *some* of your rights.
> 
> - Andreas
> --
> http://www.solitude.dk/ >
> Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

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[videoblogging] Re: Free & Open (was To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash

Im not a lawyer either, and I just want to understand this stuff and
help others understand the legal stuff too. Its supposed to be helpful
advise, sorry if it seems more like criticism.

But half the point of my rant is that no, opensource is about sharing
sourcecode, thats wht it means. My gripe is with people who want some
of the nice positive aspects of the phrase opensource to rub off on
them without actually opening any source.

It upsets me greatly. And personally I stopped betatesting ANT when it
was deemed that faults with ANT beta versions should not be discussed
publically. That doesnt fit your wider interpretation of what
opensource means either.

Its ANTs right to do what it likes, you guys deserve sucess, you
deserve control over ANT. Thats the point, control, I get upset when
people who keep control claim to be doing the opposite. Fine if you
want control, just dont pretend otherwise.

The only way I could interpret the huge defensiveness about discussing
flaws with ant beta, had nothing whatsoever to do with furthering the
cause of getting more people to videoblog. It seemed to me that what
cahnged btween fireant being an opensource utopian project, and the
opensource idea being knocked on the head, was a recognition that it
might have some financial value, and that the fireant brand was worth
protecting, hence the typical instinctive kneejerk reaction of wanting
to silence all criticism.

Steve of Elbows

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> OK, full disclosure on this... we're not lawyers. We're regular people
> trying to make a cool product and a business out of something we
> started on our own. We're learning as we go. 

> Open source is about more than source code. Its about sharing
> knowledge and resources too. I think we do way more than our fair
> share in terms of education and outreach. I think this is way more
> effective than giving away source code. What we want is for more
> people to become videobloggers. To begin creating and sharing media.
> It is to this end that we are dedicating our energies.
> 
> -Josh
> 
> 

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Free & Open (was To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash

I think you may be confused because there are two different CC
licenses appearing on the FireANT site. The one at the bottom of the
webpage is in reference to the content on the site. It is more liberal
in terms of allowed uses (derivatives are allowed), but also states
that the license only applies except where otherwise noted.

The software itself is under a different CC license (by attribution,
noncommercial, no-derivs). And this is definitely noted both on the
site and in the terms of agreement when you install the application.

-josh


On 9/8/05, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Cheers for the cclarification, yes that makes sense, its amazing how
> quickly I get rusty on these things when I dont think about them for a
> few months.
> 
> In terms of how creative commons and other alternative licenses are
> progressing in terms of use in the videoblogging world, I expect one
> things thats olding it back is the number of people that ignore
> copyright of others work.
> 
> Whats even worse is people mixing the two. Am I right to say that if
> someone uses copyrighted music in their videoblog, and then they use a
> creative comons license for their videoblog, its invalid?
> 
> eg if I use copyrighted music and then give my videoblog away with
> derivatives permitted, or even redistribution permitted, the license
> wont stand up in court? Because I dont have the rights too the
> original work I used, I cant give those rights away to anyone else?
> 
> Finally, what does it mean on the creative commons site when it says that:
> 
> Every license:
>  is not revocable
> 
> Does this mean that if I accidentally publish a work with license that
> gives away more rights than I meant to, that it is too late to change
> it? Or at least too late to change it for people whove already used
> the work on the basis of the original license?
> 
> Because for example its not true to say that fireant definately
> couldnt be rebranded without having the source code. There are
> sometimes other ways. If they accidentally put the derivatives allowed
> license on the site, when they meant not to allow derivatives, is it
> too late for them to prevent me from making fireant derivatives?
> 
> I am not intending to do anything so nasty by the way, just wanting to
> understand the legalstuff once and for all.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Steve of Elbows
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Haugstrup"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:25:23 +0200, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The readme file for the fireant download mac version on your website,
> > > and it still says '• ANT is freeware. It will be open source.'
> >
> > What's worse is that the 'About FireANT' section in the Windows
> version
> > has no mention of Creative Commons at all. It says 'Copyright 2005
> > ANTisNOTTV, All Rights Reserved'. That should be changed if FireANT is
> > licensed under Creative Commons.
> >
> > > Can anybody knowledgeable in license issues tell me whether the use of
> > > the copyright symbol on the 'about fireant' screen in mac version
> > > 1.0b3, contradicts in any way any of the other licensing stuff?
> >
> > It doesn't. You don't give away your copyright when you choose a CC
> > license. It is just that, a license.
> >
> > > To apply that point more generally, if I use a creative commons
> > > license for my videoblog, and I also put a copyright message on a
> > > title in the videoblog, is it a license mess and invalid combination?
> >
> > No. This is why you see the trademark 'Copyright 2005. Some Rights
> > Reserved' on CC licensed content. You don't give up all your
> copyrights -
> > you voluntarily give up *some* of your rights.
> >
> > - Andreas
> > --
> > http://www.solitude.dk/ >
> > Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>


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Re: [videoblogging] Good instruction book for Mac beginner

No question which one. The world's most popular Mac book:

David Pogue's Missing Manual - Tiger Edition. A must read-have for  
reference for all owners new and old.

< http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/macxtigermm/index.html >

It is a fascinating read. I love it and it's just as good for newbies  
as it is for experts. David Pogue is a master entertainer informer.
-- 
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Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley
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On Sep 8, 2005, at 2:49 PM, Randolfe Wicker wrote:

> I have a new Mac.  I wondered if anyone could suggest a good book/ 
> aid to use while learning how to use it.  I have only worked on PCs  
> in the past.
>
> I got it with Final Cut Express installed but first have to learn  
> to use iMovie.
>
> Any suggestions will be welcome.  Please include any DVDs, etc. as  
> well as books you think will be worthwhile.
> Randolfe (Randy) Wicker

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash format




And here is the solution to the very specific question I asked Eric: there are at least three good commercial solutions: Squeeze from Sorenson, Agility from Anystream and Cleaner from Discreet - they are the ones mentioned on the Macromedia website. They all use a "watch" folder solution.

 
Squeeze is $450. I bet YouTube and AudioBlog are using it. I do not think it is a trade secret at all. Everyone in the transcoder business probably knows this... except me. But I am pretty new at that. I have been using Sorenson Squeeze for more than a year now, but I was not aware of the potential of the "watch" folder. A great software BTW.

 
Thanks to all those who helped and to all those who widened the scope. Great exchange!
 
Thanks,
 
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Re: [videoblogging] New Subject New Mail PLEASE

2005-09-08 Thread Clint Sharp

Kunga wrote:

> You must have misunderstood me Clint. I was suggesting they start a 
> NEW mail not changing the subject name in an old thread.
> -- 
> Taylor Barcroft
> New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist
> Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley
> http://FutureMedia.org
>
No, I understood you perfectly.  Just because they're changing the 
subject doesn't mean it should get it's own new top-level thread, seeing 
as it was spawned from an earlier thread.  If people follow your advice 
they'll be breaking the way Thunderbird and many other clients do 
threading.  Nearly every time the subject is changed and something is 
quoted from a previous email, but the subject is changed to indicate the 
direction the thread is heading, but that does not mean it's a new 
thread.  If people followed you're advice we'd end up with top-level 
emails with quotes in them, which isn't intuitive at all.

Clint

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Free & Open (was To Eric Rice / Audioblog about file conversion to the Flash