[videoblogging] Professional Online Video Analysis

[Ron Watson]

What are your professional opinions on this flare up?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/5/14345/50395/126/469746

Cheers,

Ron





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Two New Versions of Miro: Sliced by Genre

[Charles Iliya Krempeaux]

Why not just pay the Miro guys to do what you want?

(Well, assuming you have funds available for it.)

-- 
Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
http://ChangeLog.ca/

Motorsport Videos
http://TireBiterZ.com/

Vlog Razor... Vlogging News...  http://vlograzor.com/

On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Frank Sinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yes - that is why i love it. We looked into extending Miro, but it
> ended up being just too time-consuming. Their co-branded service is
> nice too, but the thought of offering a separate Mefeedia/Miro version
> just didn't feel right from a technical perspective. It would be great
> if they had a plug-in architecture, like Firefox. I believe this is
> what they are planning to do for version 2.0, maybe even offer a
> Firefox plug-in version.
>
>
> Regards,
> Frank
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover the Video Web
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Iliya Krempeaux"
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > You know what the great thing about Miro is.. it is open source
> software.
> >
> > So.. if it really comes down to it... we could even make Miro do
> > all this (if the Miro guys don't add these features themselves).
> >
> > --
> > Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
> > http://ChangeLog.ca/
> >
> > Motorsport Videos
> > http://TireBiterZ.com/
> >
> > Vlog Razor... Vlogging News... http://vlograzor.com/
> >
> >
> >
>
> > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Frank Sinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Why not just market "bundles" after someone first installs Miro?
> > >
> > > So, what happens when Mom also wants Gardening videos?
> > >
> > > http://www.mefeedia.com/channels/gardening/
> > >
> > >
> > > > using the concepts of player themes. would be slick if groups of
> > > > people could make mashup themes and let other download their
> channel
> > > > mix. Curation with style. Reminds me of my early nudges to Fireant
> > >
> > > We have this on mefeedia - you can create a channel. Our channels
> > > allow a group to collaborate on organizing feeds around a theme.
> > >
> > > http://www.mefeedia.com/channels/
> > >
> > > I'd be interested to see what else we can do in this area -
> > > collaborative curation is a very interesting area.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Frank
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> > > http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover the Video Web
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Sull  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I do see that they have a convenient way to subscribe to multiple
> > > > channels via the miro website so i can subscribe to the food
> > > > channel and not download a new player.
> > > >
> > > > Still, it could be simplified and enhanced with better
> co-branding by
> > > > using the concepts of player themes. would be slick if groups of
> > > > people could make mashup themes and let other download their
> channel
> > > > mix. Curation with style. Reminds me of my early nudges to Fireant
> > > > team about letting the feed dictate the look and feel of Fireant.
> > > >
> > > > Then again, maybe this is possible and just not being exposed
> yet
> > > >
> > > > I believe Adobe Media Player is doing this.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 10:52 AM, schlomo rabinowitz 
> wrote:
> > > > > I understand what you are saying, Sull, but I think this is a
> great
> > > > > gateway drug for newbies in the world of RSS.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think about my mom who will love the food channel; but does
> Miro
> > > > > cime preloaded with a video to teach how to find more feeds?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 5/08, Sull  wrote:
> > > > > > Would make more sense if Miro could load a Theme that contained
> > > > > > pre-poulated channels. A Video Network Theme.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Seperate Downloads of Miro? That doesnt feel smart at all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Though I will say that its a good approach to marketing miro
> > > and niche
> > > > > > content. It's just the technical approach that I dont agree
> with.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sull
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 1:52 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux
> > >
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> http://www.getmiro.com/blog/2008/03/two-new-versions-of-miro-sliced-by-genre/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Really interesting.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It would be cool if there was a way for people to somehow
> > > "configure"
> > > > > > these
> > > > > > > download all by themselves.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For example� a community could maintain their own list of
> > > video blogs.
> > > > > > > (Using XOXO, OPML, or something.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So� for example, if a community had a list of video blogs at:
> > > > > > > http://example.com/thelist/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Then you could configure the download using:
> > > > > > > http://getmiro.com/download?href=http://example.com/thelist/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (Or something like that.)
> > > > > > >
> > > 

Re: [videoblogging] Digest Number 5023

[hamish]

 >   Posted by: "Frank Sinton" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 >    
Re%3A%20Two%20New%20Versions%20of%20Miro%3A%20Sliced%20by%20Genre>
 > fsinton 
 >
 >
 > Wed Mar 5, 2008 10:09 am (PST)
 >
 > Yes - that is why i love it. We looked into extending Miro, but it
 > ended up being just too time-consuming. Their co-branded service is
 > nice too, but the thought of offering a separate Mefeedia/Miro 
version
 > just didn't feel right from a technical perspective. It would be 
great
 > if they had a plug-in architecture, like Firefox. I believe this is
 > what they are planning to do for version 2.0, maybe even offer a
 > Firefox plug-in version.
 >
 > Regards,
 > Frank
 >

We have been extending MIRO the last year - we have a version at 
http://visionontv.net you can install - backup your channels if you 
install it over the old version of MIRO as it will over right them.

We have simplified the interface and added some extra functions to the 
UI, the back end is all standard MIRO. It comes with 15 outreach 
environmental and social change channels installed and a channel guide 
(work in progress) offering another 20-30 channels.

Hamish Campbell
Http://visionontv.net
http://hamishcampbell.com
http://www.undercurrents.org

Ps. am coming over to the USA for 3 months from April to meet up with 
the US video blogging communality and make content for our IPTV channel, 
get in touch (:

Re: [videoblogging] best practices question

[pepa]

this is the link to the best practices text, jay:
http://www.barefeetstudios.com/aggregation/

about the ads thing: the guys from liberatedfilms just tell someone
from the spanish list he couldn´t ask for anything because the ads are
just the same you find close to search results on google. they say
things would be not the same if you upload the videos to their site.

thanks a lot for your attention.
love

On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "The degree to which non-targeted ads (such as AdWords placed on the
>  > surrounding pages) generate revenue should be balanced against the unique
>  > services MA [media aggregators] does or does not provide the CO
>  > [content owner] when calculating revenue
>  > share".
>
>  where did you get this paragraph?
>  seem like we're missing some surrounding text that would better
>  explain what it means.
>
>  jay
>
>  --
>  http://jaydedman.com
>  917 371 6790
>  



-- 
http://pepa.tv
http://perros.wordpress.com (colectivo)

[videoblogging] Re: Two New Versions of Miro: Sliced by Genre

[Frank Sinton]

Yes - that is why i love it. We looked into extending Miro, but it
ended up being just too time-consuming. Their co-branded service is
nice too, but the thought of offering a separate Mefeedia/Miro version
just didn't feel right from a technical perspective. It would be great
if they had a plug-in architecture, like Firefox. I believe this is
what they are planning to do for version 2.0, maybe even offer a
Firefox plug-in version.

Regards,
Frank

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover the Video Web

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Iliya Krempeaux"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> 
> You know what the great thing about Miro is.. it is open source
software.
> 
> So.. if it really comes down to it... we could even make Miro do
> all this (if the Miro guys don't add these features themselves).
> 
> -- 
> Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
> http://ChangeLog.ca/
> 
> Motorsport Videos
> http://TireBiterZ.com/
> 
> Vlog Razor... Vlogging News...  http://vlograzor.com/
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Frank Sinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Why not just market "bundles" after someone first installs Miro?
> >
> >  So, what happens when Mom also wants Gardening videos?
> >
> >  http://www.mefeedia.com/channels/gardening/
> >
> >
> >  > using the concepts of player themes. would be slick if groups of
> >  > people could make mashup themes and let other download their
channel
> >  > mix. Curation with style. Reminds me of my early nudges to Fireant
> >
> >  We have this on mefeedia - you can create a channel. Our channels
> >  allow a group to collaborate on organizing feeds around a theme.
> >
> >  http://www.mefeedia.com/channels/
> >
> >  I'd be interested to see what else we can do in this area -
> >  collaborative curation is a very interesting area.
> >
> >  Regards,
> >  Frank
> >
> >  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover the Video Web
> >
> >
> >  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Sull  wrote:
> >  >
> >  > I do see that they have a convenient way to subscribe to multiple
> >  > channels via the miro website so i can subscribe to the food
> >  > channel and not download a new player.
> >  >
> >  > Still, it could be simplified and enhanced with better
co-branding by
> >  > using the concepts of player themes. would be slick if groups of
> >  > people could make mashup themes and let other download their
channel
> >  > mix. Curation with style. Reminds me of my early nudges to Fireant
> >  > team about letting the feed dictate the look and feel of Fireant.
> >  >
> >  > Then again, maybe this is possible and just not being exposed
yet
> >  >
> >  > I believe Adobe Media Player is doing this.
> >  >
> >  > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 10:52 AM, schlomo rabinowitz 
wrote:
> >  > > I understand what you are saying, Sull, but I think this is a
great
> >  > > gateway drug for newbies in the world of RSS.
> >  > >
> >  > > I think about my mom who will love the food channel; but does
Miro
> >  > > cime preloaded with a video to teach how to find more feeds?
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > 5/08, Sull  wrote:
> >  > > > Would make more sense if Miro could load a Theme that contained
> >  > > > pre-poulated channels. A Video Network Theme.
> >  > > >
> >  > > > Seperate Downloads of Miro? That doesnt feel smart at all.
> >  > > >
> >  > > > Though I will say that its a good approach to marketing miro
> >  and niche
> >  > > > content. It's just the technical approach that I dont agree
with.
> >  > > >
> >  > > > Sull
> >  > > >
> >  > > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 1:52 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux
> >
> >  > > >  wrote:
> >  > > > >
> >  > > >
> >
> >
http://www.getmiro.com/blog/2008/03/two-new-versions-of-miro-sliced-by-genre/
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > Really interesting.
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > It would be cool if there was a way for people to somehow
> >  "configure"
> >  > > > these
> >  > > > > download all by themselves.
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > For example� a community could maintain their own list of
> >  video blogs.
> >  > > > > (Using XOXO, OPML, or something.)
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > So� for example, if a community had a list of video blogs at:
> >  > > > > http://example.com/thelist/
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > Then you could configure the download using:
> >  > > > > http://getmiro.com/download?href=http://example.com/thelist/
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > (Or something like that.)
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > That would be really cool!
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > --
> >  > > > > Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
> >  > > > > http://ChangeLog.ca/
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > Motorsport Videos
> >  > > > > http://TireBiterZ.com/
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > Vlog Razor... Vlogging News... http://vlograzor.com/
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > >
> >  > > >

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Two New Versions of Miro: Sliced by Genre

[Charles Iliya Krempeaux]

Hello,

You know what the great thing about Miro is.. it is open source software.

So.. if it really comes down to it... we could even make Miro do
all this (if the Miro guys don't add these features themselves).

-- 
Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
http://ChangeLog.ca/

Motorsport Videos
http://TireBiterZ.com/

Vlog Razor... Vlogging News...  http://vlograzor.com/



On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Frank Sinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Why not just market "bundles" after someone first installs Miro?
>
>  So, what happens when Mom also wants Gardening videos?
>
>  http://www.mefeedia.com/channels/gardening/
>
>
>  > using the concepts of player themes. would be slick if groups of
>  > people could make mashup themes and let other download their channel
>  > mix. Curation with style. Reminds me of my early nudges to Fireant
>
>  We have this on mefeedia - you can create a channel. Our channels
>  allow a group to collaborate on organizing feeds around a theme.
>
>  http://www.mefeedia.com/channels/
>
>  I'd be interested to see what else we can do in this area -
>  collaborative curation is a very interesting area.
>
>  Regards,
>  Frank
>
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover the Video Web
>
>
>  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >
>  > I do see that they have a convenient way to subscribe to multiple
>  > channels via the miro website so i can subscribe to the food
>  > channel and not download a new player.
>  >
>  > Still, it could be simplified and enhanced with better co-branding by
>  > using the concepts of player themes. would be slick if groups of
>  > people could make mashup themes and let other download their channel
>  > mix. Curation with style. Reminds me of my early nudges to Fireant
>  > team about letting the feed dictate the look and feel of Fireant.
>  >
>  > Then again, maybe this is possible and just not being exposed yet
>  >
>  > I believe Adobe Media Player is doing this.
>  >
>  > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 10:52 AM, schlomo rabinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>  > > I understand what you are saying, Sull, but I think this is a great
>  > > gateway drug for newbies in the world of RSS.
>  > >
>  > > I think about my mom who will love the food channel; but does Miro
>  > > cime preloaded with a video to teach how to find more feeds?
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > 5/08, Sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > > > Would make more sense if Miro could load a Theme that contained
>  > > > pre-poulated channels. A Video Network Theme.
>  > > >
>  > > > Seperate Downloads of Miro? That doesnt feel smart at all.
>  > > >
>  > > > Though I will say that its a good approach to marketing miro
>  and niche
>  > > > content. It's just the technical approach that I dont agree with.
>  > > >
>  > > > Sull
>  > > >
>  > > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 1:52 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux
>
>  > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > > > >
>  > > >
>
> http://www.getmiro.com/blog/2008/03/two-new-versions-of-miro-sliced-by-genre/
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Really interesting.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > It would be cool if there was a way for people to somehow
>  "configure"
>  > > > these
>  > > > > download all by themselves.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > For example� a community could maintain their own list of
>  video blogs.
>  > > > > (Using XOXO, OPML, or something.)
>  > > > >
>  > > > > So� for example, if a community had a list of video blogs at:
>  > > > > http://example.com/thelist/
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Then you could configure the download using:
>  > > > > http://getmiro.com/download?href=http://example.com/thelist/
>  > > > >
>  > > > > (Or something like that.)
>  > > > >
>  > > > > That would be really cool!
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > > --
>  > > > > Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
>  > > > > http://ChangeLog.ca/
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Motorsport Videos
>  > > > > http://TireBiterZ.com/
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Vlog Razor... Vlogging News... http://vlograzor.com/
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > --
>  > > Schlomo Rabinowitz
>  > > http://schlomolog.blogspot.com
>  > > http://hatfactory.net
>  > > AIM:schlomochat

[videoblogging] Re: Two New Versions of Miro: Sliced by Genre

[Frank Sinton]

Why not just market "bundles" after someone first installs Miro?

So, what happens when Mom also wants Gardening videos?

http://www.mefeedia.com/channels/gardening/


> using the concepts of player themes.  would be slick if groups of
> people could make mashup themes and let other download their channel
> mix.  Curation with style.  Reminds me of my early nudges to Fireant

We have this on mefeedia - you can create a channel. Our channels
allow a group to collaborate on organizing feeds around a theme.

http://www.mefeedia.com/channels/

I'd be interested to see what else we can do in this area -
collaborative curation is a very interesting area.

Regards,
Frank

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.mefeedia.com - Discover the Video Web

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I do see that they have a convenient way to subscribe to multiple
> channels via the miro website so i can subscribe to the food
> channel and not download a new player.
> 
> Still, it could be simplified and enhanced with better co-branding by
> using the concepts of player themes.  would be slick if groups of
> people could make mashup themes and let other download their channel
> mix.  Curation with style.  Reminds me of my early nudges to Fireant
> team about letting the feed dictate the look and feel of Fireant.
> 
> Then again, maybe this is possible and just not being exposed yet
> 
> I believe Adobe Media Player is doing this.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 10:52 AM, schlomo rabinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I understand what you are saying, Sull, but I think this is a great
> >  gateway drug for newbies in the world of RSS.
> >
> >  I think about my mom who will love the food channel; but does Miro
> >  cime preloaded with a video to teach how to find more feeds?
> >
> >
> >
> >  5/08, Sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  > Would make more sense if Miro could load a Theme that contained
> >  > pre-poulated channels. A Video Network Theme.
> >  >
> >  > Seperate Downloads of Miro? That doesnt feel smart at all.
> >  >
> >  > Though I will say that its a good approach to marketing miro
and niche
> >  > content. It's just the technical approach that I dont agree with.
> >  >
> >  > Sull
> >  >
> >  > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 1:52 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux
> >  > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  > >
> >  >
http://www.getmiro.com/blog/2008/03/two-new-versions-of-miro-sliced-by-genre/
> >  > >
> >  > > Really interesting.
> >  > >
> >  > > It would be cool if there was a way for people to somehow
"configure"
> >  > these
> >  > > download all by themselves.
> >  > >
> >  > > For example� a community could maintain their own list of
video blogs.
> >  > > (Using XOXO, OPML, or something.)
> >  > >
> >  > > So� for example, if a community had a list of video blogs at:
> >  > > http://example.com/thelist/
> >  > >
> >  > > Then you could configure the download using:
> >  > > http://getmiro.com/download?href=http://example.com/thelist/
> >  > >
> >  > > (Or something like that.)
> >  > >
> >  > > That would be really cool!
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > --
> >  > > Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
> >  > > http://ChangeLog.ca/
> >  > >
> >  > > Motorsport Videos
> >  > > http://TireBiterZ.com/
> >  > >
> >  > > Vlog Razor... Vlogging News... http://vlograzor.com/
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  --
> >  Schlomo Rabinowitz
> >  http://schlomolog.blogspot.com
> >  http://hatfactory.net
> >  AIM:schlomochat
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

RE: [videoblogging] Online Video Contests

[Jim Kukral]

Thanks for that link, very helpful. Speaking of contests.

 

If you wanted to run a video contest, what would you do/use? I've been doing
some research on this you might find helpful. If anyone has any other
options they know about I'd appreciate you letting me know.

 

www.eprize.com - Expensive, but has some UGC contests. They handle all the
legal which is key.

www.memelabs.com - About 15k to host a contest. Pretty neat, plus they have,
supposedly, a network of 70k "film enthusiasts and video creators" they'll
promote your contest too.

www.youtube.com - This is if you are spending half a million a year or more
at Google, and can commit to spending another $100k at least just on Youtube
so you can get a custom contest page.

 

Anyone else know of any good contest solutions? I know Magnify.net is going
to have one in beta soon.

 

Jim

 

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Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:16 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Online Video Contests

 

A site that a lot of people on this group will be interested in. 

- http://www.onlinevideocontests.com/

Simple, constantly updated list of online video contests with brief
synopsis of each, how many days until the deadline, and how much $$
they offer. 

Created by Justin Johnson who's also involved with www.indymogul.com
and www.nextnewnetworks.com (but the site isn't affiliated with them -
it's Justin's own thing). 

If you want more background/info, I also recently talked to Justin
about the site:
http://www.tilzy.tv/news/2008/3/Online-Video-Contests.htm. 

Lots of cool opportunities for filmmakers.

- Josh


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[videoblogging] Online Video Contests

[joshuajcohen]

A site that a lot of people on this group will be interested in.  

 - http://www.onlinevideocontests.com/

Simple, constantly updated list of online video contests with brief
synopsis of each, how many days until the deadline, and how much $$
they offer.  

Created by Justin Johnson who's also involved with www.indymogul.com
and www.nextnewnetworks.com (but the site isn't affiliated with them -
it's Justin's own thing).  

If you want more background/info, I also recently talked to Justin
about the site:
http://www.tilzy.tv/news/2008/3/Online-Video-Contests.htm. 

Lots of cool opportunities for filmmakers.

 - Josh


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Re: [videoblogging] 1000 True Fans

[Charles Iliya Krempeaux]

I suppose that could be take as an argument for advertising.

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On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I am more interested in the idea of 1000 true supporters.
> This applies to non-entertainment as well.
>
> It would be nice to see more passion around issues that need to be
> addressed in this world.
> Recruit, gather, empower 1000 people to help make change.
>
> Put that on a t-shirt and sell it.
> Sorry, just had an urge.
>
> To the point of the article, to get 1000 fans, believe me it is NOT easy.
> Fans. Fanatics. Even the article explains that a fan is the one who
> will buy everything and dirve anywhere.
> To put this in perspective and far from accurate but still a
> perspective. When I helped to run DavidBowie.com (BowieNet), the
> official community for Bowie fans (fee-based memberships), Their were
> not as many subscribers as you might assume with Bowie being a
> legend and having a large global fan-base. I wont reveal the numbers
> here, but I can assure you that if you knew them, you would look at
> 1000 fans to sustain your work as being a far more difficult
> achievement than maybe you would otherwise be lead to believe.
>
> Let's face it folks, net video consumption is a different beast. 1000
> fans verses 100, 000 subscribers. Two very different things.
>
> Sull
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Andrew Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The idea is that a videoblogger could make a living from just 1000
> > "true" fans:
> >
> > "what can an artist do to escape the long tail?
> >
> > One solution is to find 1,000 True Fans. While some artists have
> > discovered this path without calling it that, I think it is worth
> > trying to formalize. The gist of 1,000 True Fans can be stated simply:
> >
> > A creator, such as an artist, musician, photographer, craftsperson,
> > performer, animator, designer, videomaker, or author - in other
> > words, anyone producing works of art - needs to acquire only 1,000
> > True Fans to make a living.
> >
> > A True Fan is defined as someone who will purchase anything and
> > everything you produce. They will drive 200 miles to see you sing.
> > They will buy the super deluxe re-issued hi-res box set of your stuff
> > even though they have the low-res version. They have a Google Alert
> > set for your name. They bookmark the eBay page where your out-of-
> > print editions show up. They come to your openings. They have you
> > sign their copies. They buy the t-shirt, and the mug, and the hat.
> > They can't wait till you issue your next work. They are true fans."
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/32zzlp

Re: [videoblogging] Two New Versions of Miro: Sliced by Genre

[Sull]

I do see that they have a convenient way to subscribe to multiple
channels via the miro website so i can subscribe to the food
channel and not download a new player.

Still, it could be simplified and enhanced with better co-branding by
using the concepts of player themes.  would be slick if groups of
people could make mashup themes and let other download their channel
mix.  Curation with style.  Reminds me of my early nudges to Fireant
team about letting the feed dictate the look and feel of Fireant.

Then again, maybe this is possible and just not being exposed yet

I believe Adobe Media Player is doing this.

On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 10:52 AM, schlomo rabinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I understand what you are saying, Sull, but I think this is a great
>  gateway drug for newbies in the world of RSS.
>
>  I think about my mom who will love the food channel; but does Miro
>  cime preloaded with a video to teach how to find more feeds?
>
>
>
>  5/08, Sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > Would make more sense if Miro could load a Theme that contained
>  > pre-poulated channels. A Video Network Theme.
>  >
>  > Seperate Downloads of Miro? That doesnt feel smart at all.
>  >
>  > Though I will say that its a good approach to marketing miro and niche
>  > content. It's just the technical approach that I dont agree with.
>  >
>  > Sull
>  >
>  > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 1:52 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux
>  > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > >
>  > 
> http://www.getmiro.com/blog/2008/03/two-new-versions-of-miro-sliced-by-genre/
>  > >
>  > > Really interesting.
>  > >
>  > > It would be cool if there was a way for people to somehow "configure"
>  > these
>  > > download all by themselves.
>  > >
>  > > For example… a community could maintain their own list of video blogs.
>  > > (Using XOXO, OPML, or something.)
>  > >
>  > > So… for example, if a community had a list of video blogs at:
>  > > http://example.com/thelist/
>  > >
>  > > Then you could configure the download using:
>  > > http://getmiro.com/download?href=http://example.com/thelist/
>  > >
>  > > (Or something like that.)
>  > >
>  > > That would be really cool!
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > --
>  > > Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
>  > > http://ChangeLog.ca/
>  > >
>  > > Motorsport Videos
>  > > http://TireBiterZ.com/
>  > >
>  > > Vlog Razor... Vlogging News... http://vlograzor.com/
>  > >
>  > >
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>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > Yahoo! Groups Links
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Yahoo! Groups Links
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
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Re: [videoblogging] 1000 True Fans

[Sull]

I am more interested in the idea of 1000 true supporters.
This applies to non-entertainment as well.

It would be nice to see more passion around issues that need to be
addressed in this world.
Recruit, gather, empower 1000 people to help make change.

Put that on a t-shirt and sell it.
Sorry, just had an urge.

To the point of the article, to get 1000 fans, believe me it is NOT easy.
Fans.  Fanatics.  Even the article explains that a fan is the one who
will buy everything and dirve anywhere.
To put this in perspective and far from accurate but still a
perspective. When I helped to run DavidBowie.com (BowieNet), the
official community for Bowie fans (fee-based memberships), Their were
not as many subscribers as you might assume with Bowie being a
legend and having a large global fan-base.  I wont reveal the numbers
here, but I can assure you that if you knew them, you would look at
1000 fans to sustain your work as being a far more difficult
achievement than maybe you would otherwise be lead to believe.

Let's face it folks, net video consumption is a different beast.  1000
fans verses 100, 000 subscribers.  Two very different things.

Sull
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Andrew Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The idea is that a videoblogger could make a living from just 1000
>  "true" fans:
>
>  "what can an artist do to escape the long tail?
>
>  One solution is to find 1,000 True Fans. While some artists have
>  discovered this path without calling it that, I think it is worth
>  trying to formalize. The gist of 1,000 True Fans can be stated simply:
>
>  A creator, such as an artist, musician, photographer, craftsperson,
>  performer, animator, designer, videomaker, or author - in other
>  words, anyone producing works of art - needs to acquire only 1,000
>  True Fans to make a living.
>
>  A True Fan is defined as someone who will purchase anything and
>  everything you produce. They will drive 200 miles to see you sing.
>  They will buy the super deluxe re-issued hi-res box set of your stuff
>  even though they have the low-res version. They have a Google Alert
>  set for your name. They bookmark the eBay page where your out-of-
>  print editions show up. They come to your openings. They have you
>  sign their copies. They buy the t-shirt, and the mug, and the hat.
>  They can't wait till you issue your next work. They are true fans."
>
>  http://tinyurl.com/32zzlp
>
>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  

Re: [videoblogging] Two New Versions of Miro: Sliced by Genre

[schlomo rabinowitz]

I understand what you are saying, Sull, but I think this is a great
gateway drug for newbies in the world of RSS.

I think about my mom who will love the food channel; but does Miro
cime preloaded with a video to teach how to find more feeds?

5/08, Sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Would make more sense if Miro could load a Theme that contained
> pre-poulated channels. A Video Network Theme.
>
> Seperate Downloads of Miro? That doesnt feel smart at all.
>
> Though I will say that its a good approach to marketing miro and niche
> content. It's just the technical approach that I dont agree with.
>
> Sull
>
> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 1:52 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> http://www.getmiro.com/blog/2008/03/two-new-versions-of-miro-sliced-by-genre/
> >
> > Really interesting.
> >
> > It would be cool if there was a way for people to somehow "configure"
> these
> > download all by themselves.
> >
> > For example… a community could maintain their own list of video blogs.
> > (Using XOXO, OPML, or something.)
> >
> > So… for example, if a community had a list of video blogs at:
> > http://example.com/thelist/
> >
> > Then you could configure the download using:
> > http://getmiro.com/download?href=http://example.com/thelist/
> >
> > (Or something like that.)
> >
> > That would be really cool!
> >
> >
> > --
> > Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
> > http://ChangeLog.ca/
> >
> > Motorsport Videos
> > http://TireBiterZ.com/
> >
> > Vlog Razor... Vlogging News... http://vlograzor.com/
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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Re: [videoblogging] Two New Versions of Miro: Sliced by Genre

[Sull]

Would make more sense if Miro could load a Theme that contained
pre-poulated channels.  A Video Network Theme.

Seperate Downloads of Miro?  That doesnt feel smart at all.

Though I will say that its a good approach to marketing miro and niche
content.  It's just the technical approach that I dont agree with.

Sull

On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 1:52 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.getmiro.com/blog/2008/03/two-new-versions-of-miro-sliced-by-genre/
>
>  Really interesting.
>
>  It would be cool if there was a way for people to somehow "configure" these
>  download all by themselves.
>
>  For example… a community could maintain their own list of video blogs.
>  (Using XOXO, OPML, or something.)
>
>  So… for example, if a community had a list of video blogs at:
>  http://example.com/thelist/
>
>  Then you could configure the download using:
>  http://getmiro.com/download?href=http://example.com/thelist/
>
>  (Or something like that.)
>
>  That would be really cool!
>
>
>  --
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>  http://ChangeLog.ca/
>
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Re: [videoblogging] Fwd: Rush Limbaugh urges listeners to vote for Clinton

[Christian Ferris]

My sister lives in Texas and she called me on my commute this morning
oblivious to the Rush thing to tell me that her die-hard Republican boss
went in to vote for Hillary yesterday.  Much craziness is afoot! Just when I
thought maybe all the old tricks weren't going to work this time around they
come up with a new one.  Delightful.

- Christian

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: 1000 True Fans

[John Coffey]

Hey Heath, our families must be kin. When I remind family of a video, they ask 
"you still doing that"?
  JC

Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I can't even get my family to watch my videos.but then again, 
they know me, so maybe that has something to do with it...

all kidding aside, interesting principal

Heath
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The idea is that a videoblogger could make a living from just 1000 
> "true" fans:
> 
> "what can an artist do to escape the long tail?
> 
> One solution is to find 1,000 True Fans. While some artists have 
> discovered this path without calling it that, I think it is worth 
> trying to formalize. The gist of 1,000 True Fans can be stated 
simply:
> 
> A creator, such as an artist, musician, photographer, 
craftsperson, 
> performer, animator, designer, videomaker, or author - in other 
> words, anyone producing works of art - needs to acquire only 1,000 
> True Fans to make a living.
> 
> A True Fan is defined as someone who will purchase anything and 
> everything you produce. They will drive 200 miles to see you sing. 
> They will buy the super deluxe re-issued hi-res box set of your 
stuff 
> even though they have the low-res version. They have a Google 
Alert 
> set for your name. They bookmark the eBay page where your out-of- 
> print editions show up. They come to your openings. They have you 
> sign their copies. They buy the t-shirt, and the mug, and the hat. 
> They can't wait till you issue your next work. They are true fans."
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/32zzlp
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



 


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Re: [videoblogging] best practices question

[Jay dedman]

>  "The degree to which non-targeted ads (such as AdWords placed on the
>  surrounding pages) generate revenue should be balanced against the unique
>  services MA [media aggregators] does or does not provide the CO
>  [content owner] when calculating revenue
>  share".

where did you get this paragraph?
seem like we're missing some surrounding text that would better
explain what it means.

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