Re: [videoblogging] 2010 the year of the flip?

2010-01-12 Thread Bohuš
David Jones wrote:
 Sanyo Xacti VPC-HD2000
 I have the HD1010 which is almost identical in terms of feature set
 for most practical uses, and a fair bit cheaper.
   

Interesting.  I'll bear that in mind.
 The lens and sensor size are streets ahead of any pocket cam, and it
 supports add-on lenses.
   

That's the thing that really interests me. It's funny... for years I've 
used Canon's line of cameras with removable lenses, but I've never been 
able to afford the lenses!  I just recently bought a pair of more 
consumer oriented Canon HDV cameras used, got 'em really cheap.  The 
seller basically sold me his whole outfit with lots f spare bits, and my 
favorite is the screw-on fisheye adapters.  He's a still camera so he 
some pretty high standard for this stuff.  He sort of put down the 
quality of these add-ons, but I'm as pleased as punch.  In film school, 
I was a little too into shooting wide-angle, and had to give that up 
when I entered video.

So, I definitely want to play with the Xacti, especially with the extra 
lenses.  I've been trying to interest a few magazines into having me a 
do a pocket cam shootout, but since these aren't seen as very pro I 
haven't been very successful in pitching the article.

BTW I just had an article puvblished about Macro videography in 
Videomaker if any of you might be interested.

http://www.videomaker.com/article/14745/

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Re: [videoblogging] 2010 the year of the flip?

2010-01-12 Thread Chad Boeninger
I recall when David first got his Xacti, he had to do some leg work to
figure out the best ways to edit the MP4 file format of the Xacti with his
current video editing software.  From looking at his video blog, David is a
smart guy, and he knew where to go (this list, for example) when trying to
solve his problems with the encoding process.  I would argue that most
people are not like David.  They want something that works out of the box
and is easy to use.  They don't want to do a lot of pre-encoding or
processing just to be able to edit there films.  That is the real beauty of
the Flip and Kodak series cameras.  Anyone can create video whenever they
want without spending a whole lot of time and effort on the process.  I've
had one for almost two years, and it is almost always in my pocket. It's
since been replaced by a Canon SD780 point and shoot, but I still use the
Flip quite a bit, particularly in places where I might lose or damage my
camera (roller coasters and bike rides come to mind). The Flipshare software
is also very easy to use, and has a lot of features that *most* users will
appreciate.  Take a look at
http://libraryvoice.com/technology/beyond-the-lens-the-real-power-of-the-flip-camerafor
a write-up I did on the FlipShare software.  The format factor and the
built-in software make the Flip and Kodak very attractive for the masses.
Power to the people, or something like that.

Take care,
Chad

2010/1/11 Bohuš bo...@xnet.com



 David Jones wrote:
  Sanyo Xacti VPC-HD2000
  I have the HD1010 which is almost identical in terms of feature set
  for most practical uses, and a fair bit cheaper.
 

 Interesting. I'll bear that in mind.

  The lens and sensor size are streets ahead of any pocket cam, and it
  supports add-on lenses.
 

 That's the thing that really interests me. It's funny... for years I've
 used Canon's line of cameras with removable lenses, but I've never been
 able to afford the lenses! I just recently bought a pair of more
 consumer oriented Canon HDV cameras used, got 'em really cheap. The
 seller basically sold me his whole outfit with lots f spare bits, and my
 favorite is the screw-on fisheye adapters. He's a still camera so he
 some pretty high standard for this stuff. He sort of put down the
 quality of these add-ons, but I'm as pleased as punch. In film school,
 I was a little too into shooting wide-angle, and had to give that up
 when I entered video.

 So, I definitely want to play with the Xacti, especially with the extra
 lenses. I've been trying to interest a few magazines into having me a
 do a pocket cam shootout, but since these aren't seen as very pro I
 haven't been very successful in pitching the article.

 BTW I just had an article puvblished about Macro videography in
 Videomaker if any of you might be interested.

 http://www.videomaker.com/article/14745/

 --
 --
 Bohus Blahut
 (BOH-hoosh BLAH-hoot)

 modern filmmaker

  




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Re: [videoblogging] 2010 the year of the flip?

2010-01-12 Thread David Jones
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Chad Boeninger cfboenin...@gmail.com wrote:

 I recall when David first got his Xacti, he had to do some leg work to
 figure out the best ways to edit the MP4 file format of the Xacti with his
 current video editing software.

Whilst it's true that it took me some time to get my system working,
technically it was not a problem with the Xacti.
The HD (1280x720 is what I shoot because that's what YouTube wants)
MP4 files the Xacti produces were fully compatible with every program
I ever tried.
So it's not a matter of file compatibility, it's a matter of being
able to actually edit HD MP4 files directly, and I believe this is a
common problem regardless of what camera you use. The Xacti actually
helps in this matter because it produces widely compatible MP4 files.

BTW, my editing process is still not completely smooth, it can be
quite jerky and unresponsive at random times, but I've put that down
to my ordinary machine and the price to pay for editing HD MP4
directly. At least I've got it working when almost everyone else told
me I was crazy for even trying to edit HD MP4 directly!

 From looking at his video blog, David is a
 smart guy, and he knew where to go (this list, for example) when trying to
 solve his problems with the encoding process. I would argue that most
 people are not like David. They want something that works out of the box
 and is easy to use. They don't want to do a lot of pre-encoding or
 processing just to be able to edit there films. That is the real beauty of
 the Flip and Kodak series cameras.

Can you actually edit (trim) 1280x720 HD video smoothly frame-by-frame
with the Flip or Kodak camera software? If not, then technically it's
not a fair comparison I don't think, but I do agree with your
sentiment that that sort of ease of use the average consumer wants,
heck, that's what *I* want too!

  Anyone can create video whenever they
 want without spending a whole lot of time and effort on the process. I've
 had one for almost two years, and it is almost always in my pocket. It's
 since been replaced by a Canon SD780 point and shoot, but I still use the
 Flip quite a bit, particularly in places where I might lose or damage my
 camera (roller coasters and bike rides come to mind). The Flipshare software
 is also very easy to use, and has a lot of features that *most* users will
 appreciate. Take a look at
 http://libraryvoice.com/technology/beyond-the-lens-the-real-power-of-the-flip-camerafor
 a write-up I did on the FlipShare software. The format factor and the
 built-in software make the Flip and Kodak very attractive for the masses.
 Power to the people, or something like that.

Nice article.
It does look good for the average user, but does it work with HD on an
ordinary power machine?

Is HD ready for the masses yet?

Dave.


Re: [videoblogging] 2010 the year of the flip?

2010-01-12 Thread Chad Boeninger
I neglected to say that my Flip is the Mino SD, not HD.  For HD (720 P)
video, I use my Canon SD780is, and edit with the Canon Zoombrowser software.
I'm running the zoombrowser software on a 4 year old Gateway laptop.  It
chuggs, but it gets the job done.  Granted, most of my videos are under 5
minutes, so the file sizes are not *that* big.

I think HD video is ready for the masses, as YouTube has proved. HD editing,
and all the issues it brings (codecs, system requirements, file size, etc),
may be a different story.  I'd be curious how much post-production the
masses actually do.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 4:50 PM, David Jones david.jo...@altium.com wrote:



 On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Chad Boeninger 
 cfboenin...@gmail.comcfboeninger%40gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  I recall when David first got his Xacti, he had to do some leg work to
  figure out the best ways to edit the MP4 file format of the Xacti with
 his
  current video editing software.

 Whilst it's true that it took me some time to get my system working,
 technically it was not a problem with the Xacti.
 The HD (1280x720 is what I shoot because that's what YouTube wants)
 MP4 files the Xacti produces were fully compatible with every program
 I ever tried.
 So it's not a matter of file compatibility, it's a matter of being
 able to actually edit HD MP4 files directly, and I believe this is a
 common problem regardless of what camera you use. The Xacti actually
 helps in this matter because it produces widely compatible MP4 files.

 BTW, my editing process is still not completely smooth, it can be
 quite jerky and unresponsive at random times, but I've put that down
 to my ordinary machine and the price to pay for editing HD MP4
 directly. At least I've got it working when almost everyone else told
 me I was crazy for even trying to edit HD MP4 directly!


  From looking at his video blog, David is a
  smart guy, and he knew where to go (this list, for example) when trying
 to
  solve his problems with the encoding process. I would argue that most
  people are not like David. They want something that works out of the box
  and is easy to use. They don't want to do a lot of pre-encoding or
  processing just to be able to edit there films. That is the real beauty
 of
  the Flip and Kodak series cameras.

 Can you actually edit (trim) 1280x720 HD video smoothly frame-by-frame
 with the Flip or Kodak camera software? If not, then technically it's
 not a fair comparison I don't think, but I do agree with your
 sentiment that that sort of ease of use the average consumer wants,
 heck, that's what *I* want too!


  Anyone can create video whenever they
  want without spending a whole lot of time and effort on the process. I've
  had one for almost two years, and it is almost always in my pocket. It's
  since been replaced by a Canon SD780 point and shoot, but I still use the
  Flip quite a bit, particularly in places where I might lose or damage my
  camera (roller coasters and bike rides come to mind). The Flipshare
 software
  is also very easy to use, and has a lot of features that *most* users
 will
  appreciate. Take a look at
 
 http://libraryvoice.com/technology/beyond-the-lens-the-real-power-of-the-flip-camerafor
  a write-up I did on the FlipShare software. The format factor and the
  built-in software make the Flip and Kodak very attractive for the masses.
  Power to the people, or something like that.

 Nice article.
 It does look good for the average user, but does it work with HD on an
 ordinary power machine?

 Is HD ready for the masses yet?

 Dave.
  




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[videoblogging] Re: Mystery

2010-01-12 Thread Fabricio





--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.ded...@... wrote:

 Does anyone know who made this site?
 http://alpha.publicvideos.org
 
 Its very cool...seems to use Ogg format.
 
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Hi, 

As I have replied to Jay on twitter, the project is still in it's early stages 
and a little more about the reasoning of it can be found at 
http://alpha.publicvideos.org/about

Regarding Chrome vs Safari vs FF3.5 vs FF3.6 and their support for HTML5 Video 
tag, they behave slight different on their interpretation/implementation of the 
spec, Safari and Chrome will autobuffer regardless if you used the autobuffer 
parameter or not, (and chrome will not display the controls until video fully 
loaded, which sucks), FF3.5 does not support the poster attribute and does not 
update/refresh the player upon changing the source element via DOM… among other 
small things. 

Firefox 3.6beta looks great though, and have an option to play in fullscreen :)

I had to tweak my code a little bit in order to get the behavior I wanted on 
this 4 browsers, and I still need to add the necessary flash/quicktime 
fallbacks in place, but overall I am excited with the awareness about the 
importance of open formats this new html5 push is promoting.

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[videoblogging] Re: Brief history of video compression

2010-01-12 Thread adammerc...@att.net
Flash causes Safari to crash at least once a day for me. I would hate (and my 
guess is so would Apple) to have that experience on my mobile browser, where 
page and boot speeds are significantly reduced.

So I for one dont mind there being no flash on the iPhone, although Hulu would 
be nice. But thats what the SDK is for I suppose.

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, forestm...@... wrote:

 Joly MacFie wrote:
 
 
  Forest - are you suggesting that flash is more
  cpu-intensive than baseline h.264?
 
  Is that so?
 
 
 I was referring to the flash player in general and wasn't suggesting the
 flash container itself requires significantly more
 resources on the client side.  (Also, flash is a container format; 264 is
 a compression format, so not completely sure what your question is.)
 
 Even so, when Adobe/Apple rolled out their 'compromise' last year, there
 was the usual hang-wringing about battery life  browser performance;
 although to my mind it's not clear how a custom rolled app that plays
 flash video from a specific site (eg. Hulu) would *necessarily* realise
 significant performance gains. (At just 5MB the whole binary itself weighs
 in on the low side of a typical app, and not likely the app porter is
 going to improve its performance.)
 
 But then I haven't built an app such as that, myself… yet.
 
 
 stay tuned,
 
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Re: [videoblogging] 2010 the year of the flip?

2010-01-12 Thread David Jones
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Chad Boeninger cfboenin...@gmail.com wrote:
 I neglected to say that my Flip is the Mino SD, not HD.  For HD (720 P)
 video, I use my Canon SD780is, and edit with the Canon Zoombrowser software.
 I'm running the zoombrowser software on a 4 year old Gateway laptop.  It
 chuggs, but it gets the job done.  Granted, most of my videos are under 5
 minutes, so the file sizes are not *that* big.

I don't think file size is the issue. I have the same editing problems
with a 5 second HD clip as I do with a 5 minute HD clip.
As others have stated on here before, it's the inherent properties of
the MPEG4 formats and the codecs that make them non-optimal for frame
based editing. I've been told I'm one of the few people foolish
enough to attempt to edit directly in HD MP4! I'm of the understanding
that most others covert their camera MP4 files to MPEG2 first before
editing.

 I think HD video is ready for the masses, as YouTube has proved. HD editing,
 and all the issues it brings (codecs, system requirements, file size, etc),
 may be a different story.  I'd be curious how much post-production the
 masses actually do.

My file sizes have actually dropped after I moved from MPEG2 720x480
to MP4 1280x720, so no complaints there!

As for my editing, I trim and edit the HD MP4 files directly copied
from my Xacti camera. But because my Ulead Pro X2 edit software cannot
output HD MP4 directly, I have to render my final project to 1280x720
MPEG2 and then use Handbrake twice to convert to 1280x720 MP4 for
YouTube, and 480x272 web optimised iPhone/ITouch/iPod compatible MP4
for the podcasters.

Dave.


Re: [videoblogging] 2010 the year of the flip?

2010-01-12 Thread Joly MacFie
David raises a good point here, what might be missing in flipshare is
a 'podcast' function, which sites provide it, given 720p AVC input?  I
am talking 640x360 baseline .m4v's with auto iTunes store listing.

joly

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 6:29 PM, David Jones david.jo...@altium.com wrote:
  But because my Ulead Pro X2 edit software cannot
 output HD MP4 directly, I have to render my final project to 1280x720
 MPEG2 and then use Handbrake twice to convert to 1280x720 MP4 for
 YouTube, and 480x272 web optimised iPhone/ITouch/iPod compatible MP4
 for the podcasters.

 Dave.



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[videoblogging] Re: Brief history of video compression

2010-01-12 Thread adammerc...@att.net
I don't think compression or standards are really the limiting factor in 
stopping people editing video more casually. I think the technical limitations 
are far more limiting to the casual videographer. Hard drive space and 
technical know how probably put many off. QuickTime is a widespread standard 
and files can easily be shared across platforms. in fact editing formats MJPEG 
and PHOTOJPEG have been around for years. There are the H/DV and ProRes, but 
alot of development and advances have come in delivery formats. You can edit in 
other formats of course like the MP4 that comes off consumer cameras, but even 
then you get more than a few minutes of video and it takes up a lot of space. I 
doubt most casual users can really be bothered with that. And the fact that 
editing video is still pretty techy even with iMovie and whatever the PC 
version is, it can be intimidating and thats a barrier to entry too.

Editing a text doc is second nature as its the language and medium we are most 
familiar with. We learn to do it at such a young age there is no thought behind 
it. And the technical requirements are negligible. 

And I was just thinking, online video really doesnt seem to be suffering and 
kind of hampering at this stage. Wherever you look there is a web video show 
and theres more content every day than one can reasonably consume. Is there an 
area of web video you think is particularly lacking?

Just my own, unfounded thoughts :)
cheers
adam


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.ded...@... wrote:

   Video compression (especially proprietary) is a bottleneck
   with online video.
 
  Just the opposite ... video compression is a boon to online video. If there
  were no video compression there would not be any online video.
 
 Very very true. Improved video compression has helped spread web vide
 the last 10 years.
 
 My more specific point is simple this: video codecs have gotten
 better...but the fight between the proprietary standards is hampering
 online video from further spreading. The idea of people editing video
 like they edit a text document is still a long ways away. Why?
 
 Because every platform uses different standards. Its difficult for a
 PC and mac to trade video files without a lot of conversion nonsense.
 Flash is pretty universal for playback but useless for editing. Open
 Source community cant really build good video editors without
 stealing compression technology. I cant play Flash videos on my
 iPhone bcause Apple doesnt want to pay Adobe for the rights for the
 codec playback. These are problems.
 
 Jay
 
 
 
 
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Re: [videoblogging] 2010 the year of the flip?

2010-01-12 Thread Bohuš

I have edited the MP4 output of both the Flip HD and the Kodak Zi8 with 
varying degrees of success.  As someone here mentioned, the included 
software is there to chop the heads and tails off of clips, but really 
isn't good for anything more involved than that.  A lot of the issue is 
just ram throughput and how quickly the MP4 stream can be decoded so you 
can see it and edit with it.  I've tried most of the major pro software, 
and I didn't get especially good performance.

The best performance came from software called SpeedEDIT by NewTek (the 
same folks who make the TriCaster  the old Video Toaster from the 
90's). It's not exactly cheap, and it doesn't have the sheer number of 
features of Premiere of Final Cut, but it is far more robust especially 
when editing with multiple formats.  It fared pretty well with MP4 
footage, but certainly was not as snappy as with the stuff coming from 
my HDV cameras. I have occasionally transcoded into other more edit 
friendly codecs, but I just hate doing that. Recompressing is never a 
good idea, especially if the fotage you started with is already 
compressed to within an inch of its life.

My idea was to use pocket cams for impromptu interviews and such, but 
MP4 really is too fussy for editing with at this point... even on a 
beefy edit machine. Possibly the next generation of PC hardware  
software will do better, but I vastly prefer the responsiveness of stuff 
I capture with HDV cams. Still can't match how portable and spontaneous 
those little pocket cams are.

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[videoblogging] My book was released on Amazon.com today

2010-01-12 Thread Steve Garfield
Hi,
Just wanted to let you know that my book, Get Seen, was released on Amazon.com 
today.

My first post to this group was on June 6th, 2004.

The first message in this group was June 1, 2004.

Mine was the 6th message.

It's been a wild ride from 2004 to 2010.

I remember the first Vloggercon in NYC in 2005 and the second in SF in 2006.

My book is a nice how to guide for people starting out in online video.  For 
some of us who have been putting video on blogs wince 2004, it's seems so easy 
now.

When we started there was no YouTube, we were worried that our videos would get 
popular, because that would cost us money.

Now we've got a myriad of free hosting solutions for have lots of great 
features.

But there still are and will always be people starting out.

That's where my book comes in.  In the book I talk about choosing a camera, 
getting good sound and lighting, and how to conduct interviews. Also, how to 
edit and post, and how to go live.

I've interviewed a number of Yahoo! videoblogging group members.

I made a post today called, Where To Buy Get Seen. It's a very simple post 
showing where people can order the book.

It's at:
http://bit.ly/buy-getseen 

In addition to that the book has a website, http://stevegarfield.com/getseen

Over there I'm posting video interviews that I made for the book and there are 
discussion forums for people who read the book who might have some questions.

So that's it.  Just wanted to drop by and give you guys an update.

Thanks for your support.

--Steve
http://stevegarfield.com

Author: 
Get Seen: Online Video Secrets
http://stevegarfield.com/getseen

Founder:
Boston Media Makers
http://bostonmediamakers.com

Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/stevegarfield



Re: [videoblogging] My book was released on Amazon.com today

2010-01-12 Thread Rupert Howe
Congratulations!

And it's also available on Amazon.co.uk:
http://bit.ly/6PK1z8

More people than ever are starting out now.

Good luck with it :)

Rupert
http://twittervlog.tv

On 13 Jan 2010, at 01:01, Steve Garfield wrote:

 Hi,
 Just wanted to let you know that my book, Get Seen, was released on  
 Amazon.com today.

 My first post to this group was on June 6th, 2004.

 The first message in this group was June 1, 2004.

 Mine was the 6th message.

 It's been a wild ride from 2004 to 2010.

 I remember the first Vloggercon in NYC in 2005 and the second in SF  
 in 2006.

 My book is a nice how to guide for people starting out in online  
 video. For some of us who have been putting video on blogs wince  
 2004, it's seems so easy now.

 When we started there was no YouTube, we were worried that our  
 videos would get popular, because that would cost us money.

 Now we've got a myriad of free hosting solutions for have lots of  
 great features.

 But there still are and will always be people starting out.

 That's where my book comes in. In the book I talk about choosing a  
 camera, getting good sound and lighting, and how to conduct  
 interviews. Also, how to edit and post, and how to go live.

 I've interviewed a number of Yahoo! videoblogging group members.

 I made a post today called, Where To Buy Get Seen. It's a very  
 simple post showing where people can order the book.

 It's at:
 http://bit.ly/buy-getseen

 In addition to that the book has a website, http://stevegarfield.com/getseen

 Over there I'm posting video interviews that I made for the book and  
 there are discussion forums for people who read the book who might  
 have some questions.

 So that's it. Just wanted to drop by and give you guys an update.

 Thanks for your support.

 --Steve
 http://stevegarfield.com

 Author:
 Get Seen: Online Video Secrets
 http://stevegarfield.com/getseen

 Founder:
 Boston Media Makers
 http://bostonmediamakers.com

 Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/stevegarfield


 



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Re: [videoblogging] My book was released on Amazon.com today

2010-01-12 Thread Irina
good job steve!

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Steve Garfield st...@offonatangent.comwrote:



 Hi,
 Just wanted to let you know that my book, Get Seen, was released on
 Amazon.com today.

 My first post to this group was on June 6th, 2004.

 The first message in this group was June 1, 2004.

 Mine was the 6th message.

 It's been a wild ride from 2004 to 2010.

 I remember the first Vloggercon in NYC in 2005 and the second in SF in
 2006.

 My book is a nice how to guide for people starting out in online video. For
 some of us who have been putting video on blogs wince 2004, it's seems so
 easy now.

 When we started there was no YouTube, we were worried that our videos would
 get popular, because that would cost us money.

 Now we've got a myriad of free hosting solutions for have lots of great
 features.

 But there still are and will always be people starting out.

 That's where my book comes in. In the book I talk about choosing a camera,
 getting good sound and lighting, and how to conduct interviews. Also, how to
 edit and post, and how to go live.

 I've interviewed a number of Yahoo! videoblogging group members.

 I made a post today called, Where To Buy Get Seen. It's a very simple post
 showing where people can order the book.

 It's at:
 http://bit.ly/buy-getseen

 In addition to that the book has a website,
 http://stevegarfield.com/getseen

 Over there I'm posting video interviews that I made for the book and there
 are discussion forums for people who read the book who might have some
 questions.

 So that's it. Just wanted to drop by and give you guys an update.

 Thanks for your support.

 --Steve
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