[videoblogging] Re: videos shot by cell phones

[xicastmedia]

Most current mobile phones can be used as a modem (the RAZR is quite
capable, but slow) if that's what you're refering to.

But directly from a video camera, not yet.  

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Harold Johnson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a phone which you may load video onto from another
> device?  Say, from an Archos Gmini 402 camcorder?  I'd like to shoot
with my
> Gmini, then remotely upload using a phone.  Is this possible yet?
> 
> Thanks,
> Harold
> 
> 
> On 4/26/06, xicastmedia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > With a XiCast account, you receive an address to send your videos to.
> >
> > From you phone, select the video you recorded.  Depending on the model
> > of your phone, there should be a "Send" option in the menu.
> >
> > Enter the address provided.  Select "send now".
> >
> > You're done.
> >
> > You can also include additional text in the message and subject which
> > are carried over to your blog post.
> >
> > Within about 30 seconds, subscribers to your blog will begin receiving
> > emails notifying them of your new post.
> >
> > That's how we do it at XiCast, though.
> >
> > Aidan
> >
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Harold Johnson"
> >
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > You know, I found your cellphone vlog the other day, and I was
wondering
> > > which phone you used to shoot and edit (and post) from.  Can you
> > actually
> > > post from the phone?  If so, how is that done?
> > >
> > > Thanks, Stephanie!
> > >
> > > Harold
> > > Podcaster Herald:
> > > podcastin' it like it is
> > > http://podcasterherald.com
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/25/06, Stephanie Bryant  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a cellphone vlog: http://mortaine.typepad.com
> > > >
> > > > It's 100% shot and edited on my cell phone. Sometimes I use my
> > > > computer to post, though.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/25/06, dinarebecca  wrote:
> > > > > Hi there!  Does anyone have favorite vlogs or vloggers that use
> > a cell
> > > > > phone to shoot video?  If so, let me know...we are working
on a cool
> > > > > project related to cell phone videos...you can reach me here
or at
> > > > > dinaATblip.tv.  Thanks!  Dina (from blip)
> > > >
> > > > --
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> > > > Stephanie Bryant
> > > > mortaine@
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[videoblogging] Re: videos shot by cell phones

[xicastmedia]

With a XiCast account, you receive an address to send your videos to.

>From you phone, select the video you recorded.  Depending on the model
of your phone, there should be a "Send" option in the menu.

Enter the address provided.  Select "send now".

You're done.

You can also include additional text in the message and subject which
are carried over to your blog post.  

Within about 30 seconds, subscribers to your blog will begin receiving
 emails notifying them of your new post.

That's how we do it at XiCast, though.

Aidan


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Harold Johnson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You know, I found your cellphone vlog the other day, and I was wondering
> which phone you used to shoot and edit (and post) from.  Can you
actually
> post from the phone?  If so, how is that done?
> 
> Thanks, Stephanie!
> 
> Harold
> Podcaster Herald:
> podcastin' it like it is
> http://podcasterherald.com
> 
> 
> On 4/25/06, Stephanie Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I have a cellphone vlog: http://mortaine.typepad.com
> >
> > It's 100% shot and edited on my cell phone. Sometimes I use my
> > computer to post, though.
> >
> >
> > On 4/25/06, dinarebecca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi there!  Does anyone have favorite vlogs or vloggers that use
a cell
> > > phone to shoot video?  If so, let me know...we are working on a cool
> > > project related to cell phone videos...you can reach me here or at
> > > dinaATblip.tv.  Thanks!  Dina (from blip)
> >
> > --
> >
> > Stephanie Bryant
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Blogs, vlogs, and audioblogs at:
> > http://www.mortaine.com/blogs
> >
> >
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[videoblogging] Re: The Last Hours - Death of a Videoblogger Kevin Krutz

[xicastmedia]

Perhaps the reason that more aren't simply outraged on the list is due
 mostly to the fact that there is no emotional tie to Kevin.

Those of us that have exposed a great deal of ourselves online during
times of grief and mourning appreciate the risk involved as well as
the surprising benefits.

http://humanjourney.org/logdisplay.asp?POSTID=171 is just one example
of real betrayal where emotional involvement jeapordizes the
connectedness we are capable of in online communities.

Had Keven established himself in the videoblogging community and then
posted this, I think the responses would have been far more polarized.


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Heath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I feel a bit weird commenting on this since I did not get to see the 
> video in question until after I had read it was not 
> true...Looking at it after the fact I have no emotional response 
> to the video itself...
> 
> BUT I do to the overall idea of it..I thought it was done in 
> poor taste and it is personal for me..with every stunt like 
> this, and I do call it a stunt, it cheapens those who put very REAL 
> emotion into there vlogs or posts.I know for me the 'A soldiers 
> Thank you" I did was VERY hard for me to do and I almost didn't post 
> it.  It may not seem like a big deal to some but for me it was.  It 
> was my real feelings and emotion.  Most of my stuff is just goof, I 
> know that but that was me at my core level.  When you play with 
> people's empathy you are slowing destroying the very thing that 
> makes us human.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Stephanie Bryant" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Jen, thank you for chiming in NOW and not letting the "fascinating"
> > discussion go on.
> > 
> > We've had this conversation on this list before, last year when a
> > vlogger faked having his kids taken away for something in his vlog.
> > Now, as then, and as with every other fake emotional manipulation 
> in
> > the blogosphere, I am not amused by it.
> > 
> > There is an assumed "contract" between the blogger and the audience
> > that what's there is in some way or another real. This is 
> especially
> > true in video, which is easy to manipulate but seems so real.
> > 
> > When a blog is fiction, it's best to identify it as such. 
> Somewhere,
> > somehow, even if it's subtle.
> > 
> > More importantly is when a blog blurs the line between fiction and
> > non-fiction. For instance, when Kevin uses his real name but vlogs 
> his
> > fake death. That's not right, somehow.
> > 
> > You are fascinated by the reactions because you were not 
> manipulated.
> > Kevin is your student and you know he's okay.
> > 
> > I have stopped counting the number of times someone I "know" online
> > (or someone they know and they forward the information) has:
> > 1) Died unexpectedly
> > 2) Contracted a terrible illness
> > 3) Needed financial assistance for an abused pet
> > 4) Been abused
> > 5) Had a pregnancy/baby
> > 
> > All of which, it turned out, never happened.
> > 
> > What seems to happen is this:
> > 1) The person posts some announcement of the terrible thing, 
> either as
> > themselves or using an assumed identity. Various facts and "proof" 
> are
> > offered.
> > 2) The audience or community responds with a show of emotional
> > support, grief, concern, and/or money or cards.
> > 3) One or two people in the community respond with "Um this 
> doesn't add up."
> > 4) The rest of the community attacks the skeptic, often viciously.
> > [Fortunately this didn't happen here, which is a real testament to 
> the
> > caliber of the vlogging community.]
> > 5) The truth is revealed, the person never existed, the death was a
> > hoax, there was no baby, etc. Jen, thank you for making this step
> > happen VERY quickly-- the longer the suspense goes on, the worse it
> > gets. Hopefully nobody had the opportunity to lose sleep over this.
> > 6) The rest of the community splits between "You should be ashamed 
> for
> > manipulating us!" and "you should all be ashamed for attacking the
> > skeptic!" (even though they did nothing to defend the skeptic,
> > either).
> > 7) [Optional] The perpetrator tries to defend himself/herself 
> with "It
> > was a joke," or "It was an experiment." My favorite is "it was an
> > experiment" because it's a completely unethical method of human
> > experimentation, and really obviously a cop-out from the backlash
> > against manipulating people.
> > 8) Next time, all those people will be more skeptical of "OMG, he's
> > DEAD!" posts. Eventually, we will all be too jaded and skeptical to
> > continue to see each other as real human beings. Then, we'll fake 
> our
> > own deaths/illnesses/pregnancies, because it doesn't really matter 
> if
> > we hurt a couple hundred people-- they weren't real anyway.
> > 
> > Now, obviously these don't all relate to this particular case. But 
> one
> > might ask: has Kevin never been in an online co

[videoblogging] Re: The Last Hours - Death of a Videoblogger Kevin Krutz

[xicastmedia]

I have to agree with Jen on this.  While I was personally disturbed by
the movie (I have seen far too many video and still photo memorials of
people I've known and loved) the groups' reaction is quite telling
about the impact that video over the Internet is capable of.

Its also a reminder to all of us to question the source of any online
content.  Video simply needs to be added as yet another medium that
mandates personal scrutiny.  Seeing still shouldn't mean believing.

How would our opinions of this piece changed had it been littered with
subtle product placement?

As we begin to share more and more of ourselves via this medium, we'll
be exposed to a broader range of the human condition.  Along with the
wide-spread adoption of social networks as this newsgroup proved to
be, we'll likely see more disturbing footage - both real and otherwise
- that we lead to the obvious reactionaries that start shouting that
"something ought to be done!"  

Hopefully, too, we'll find that the human condition is improved by the
increased exposure of real social, medical and political situations. 
Perhaps those of us who are capable of broadcasting these microcosms
of society will do so to the benefit of all.

Either way, I'll be the first to admit that I was sucked into this and
spent a considerable amount of time looking at Jen's students' blogs
to find any corroborating entries.  I never found any.  I was still
inclined to believe that the footage was authentic.

Jen, would you mind commenting on what the assignment was and how Mr.
Krutz' video tied into that?

Thanks for shedding some light on this.

Aidan Owens
xicast.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jen Simmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm wondering whether to chime in now, or wait and watch this 
> discussion go for a while more. I find it fascinating.
> 
> Kevin is fine and well. Probably tired and overwhelmed since it's the 
> end of the semester, but he's otherwise perfectly fine. I just saw him 
> this afternoon in class.
> 
> I don't know if he meant the video as a "hoax" -- or a mean trick. I'd 
> expect it was more of an experiment to see what would happen. It's 
> definitely in the "vlog dangerously" theme that Stephanie started for 
> videoblogging week. Perhaps this is over the edge for many of you?? Did 
> Kevin stretch things too far? And cross some line into something 
> unacceptable??
> 
> He's got two more posts due for class (one today that's late and one 
> next Monday) so I'm not sure what he has planned... perhaps it would 
> have made more sense for this to be his last post (if in fact he's 
> planning to abandon the vlog after the semester is over).
> 
> Mostly I'm interested in hearing more discussion about whether or not 
> it was "okay" for him to post such a video. What buttons did he push? 
> If you are offended or upset or disturbed or frightened or disgusted... 
> then why? What is it exactly that caused your reaction? If you aren't 
> any of those things, but have other strong feelings, what is your 
> reaction? What do you think that's about??
> 
> And, well, thanks for all the sympathies and concern. Kevin's not on 
> this email list, but I've forwarded him (and several other people) the 
> link to the web-based archive, so hopefully he will chime in. You can 
> also post comments on his blog!
> 
> jen
> 
> 
> 
> jenSimmons
> http://www.jensimmons.com
> On Apr 24, 2006, at 4:22 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote:
> 
> >  still waiting for Jen Simmons to chime in, as she apparently taught 
> > him how to vlog.
> >
> >
> > On 4/24/06, Andy Carvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:--- In 
> > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , Josh Wolf  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > This is interesting, given that there is a video that revolves
> >> around a
> >> > funeral only weeks before this video, I am not disinclined to think
> >> > that this is a joke. At the same time, it is possible that the
video
> >> is
> >> > real, and assuming that it may, perhaps, be a joke is probably
> >> > insensitive to some extent.
> >> >
> >> > Josh
> >>
> >> I agree that simply assuming it's a hoax is perhaps a bit insensitive
> >> or callous, but wondering whether it's a hoax is understandable.
There
> >> have been countless strange stunts on the Internet, and given Kevin's
> >> particular body of work, it almost has to cross your mind. Whether
> >> it's a hoax or not, it's probably just a matter of time before it
> >> catalyzes a media debate about the limits of Web 2.0 in relation to
> >> appropriateness, responsibility, news, art, etc...
> >>
> >> andy
> >>
> >>
> >>
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[videoblogging] Re: Easy way to make mobile videos - and lose your copyright?

[xicastmedia]

You're right: there's no successful AND free implementation of a MMS
"push" model that delivers content for free at this time.  The "pull"
model as I described does work with the obvious technical caveats.

I actually considered modifying our current subscription notifications
 to include an attached video file.  Works fine with small mobile
phone videos (usually tiny .3gp files) but a bit uncomfortable for the
large high-def WMV & quicktime files found in some of the blogs.

Thanks in advance for the potential mention of XiCast in your book. 
I've been meaning to contact you regarding your amazon promotions. 
I'll drop you an email later this evening.  And, no, we don't use
anyone else's blog software.  We wrote our own as it has been the only
way to integrate some of the messaging systems we created to
incorporate the mobile phone messaging.

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Stephanie Bryant"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Which is why that's not the ideal solution I mentioned. As you've
> noticed, WAP works great-- but only if you get in the cell phone
> company's pocket.
> 
> The easiest way to get it to people is to have the videos emailed or
> MMS'ed to their phones-- from the end user standpoint, that's the
> easiest way to get video on the phone.
> 
> BTW: Does XiCast use LifeBlog? And can you email some press kit info
> to me? I would like to mention XiCast in my book, and since I just
> submitted edits to the relevant chapter, it may be too late, but I'd
> like to see if I can slip it in there, or possibly write it up for the
> book-related website.
> 
> --Stephanie
> 
> On 4/24/06, xicastmedia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Actually, Stephanie, we do exactly what you're talking about at
> > http://wap.xicast.com (you can browse to it with your mobile phone).
> >
> > What we have found more than anything else is a lack of usability with
> > the phones themselves.  Most users don't appear to be familiar with
> > how to browse websites not provided directly by their phone carrier's
> > menu.  Depending on the carrier and model, it could be 5 to 7 menu
> > items to manually enter in a URL.  That's just too clunky for most
users.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Stephanie Bryant"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah. The problem with these sites right now is that they don't have
> > > an interface where videobloggers can aggregate their vlogs to cell
> > > phone users for free.
> > >
> > > My ideal vision:
> > > A cell phone MMS gateway that your GP3-format RSS feed is
mirrored to,
> > > and which includes enclosures as attachments. I haven't seen it yet,
> > > but I keep hoping.
> > >
> > > On 4/19/06, Harold Johnson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Is anyone actually buying content for mobile phones yet?  I mean,
> > the vast
> > > > majority of mobile phone users have to pay for bandwidth, right?
> > And then
> > > > content, on top of that...It's way to expensive for most people
> > right now to
> > > > both pay for mobile phone data charges *and* for the content
> > itself.  I'd
> > > > rather offer the content for free, being a mobile phone user
> > frustrated with
> > > > the expensiveness of wanting content but not being able to afford
> > it on my
> > > > device...
> > > >
> > > > Harold
> > > > Something That Happened:
> > > > a story presented in text, sound, and video
> > > > http://SomethingThatHappened.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/19/06, Andy Carvin  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, William Volk 
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This free site ... www.mynumo.com ... Automatically
converts .mov,
> > > > > .mpg, and
> > > > > > .avi files into mobile and lets you sell them to mobile phone
> > users.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Check it out.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you read their user agreement?
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.mynumo.com/general.php?inc=tac
> > > > >
> > > > > If I'm reading it right, it's worse than most of the ones
I've seen.
> > > > > It makes no mention of you holding onto the rights of any
> > content you

[videoblogging] Re: Easy way to make mobile videos - and lose your copyright?

[xicastmedia]

Actually, Stephanie, we do exactly what you're talking about at
http://wap.xicast.com (you can browse to it with your mobile phone).  

What we have found more than anything else is a lack of usability with
the phones themselves.  Most users don't appear to be familiar with
how to browse websites not provided directly by their phone carrier's
menu.  Depending on the carrier and model, it could be 5 to 7 menu
items to manually enter in a URL.  That's just too clunky for most users.



--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Stephanie Bryant"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yeah. The problem with these sites right now is that they don't have
> an interface where videobloggers can aggregate their vlogs to cell
> phone users for free.
> 
> My ideal vision:
> A cell phone MMS gateway that your GP3-format RSS feed is mirrored to,
> and which includes enclosures as attachments. I haven't seen it yet,
> but I keep hoping.
> 
> On 4/19/06, Harold Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Is anyone actually buying content for mobile phones yet?  I mean,
the vast
> > majority of mobile phone users have to pay for bandwidth, right? 
And then
> > content, on top of that...It's way to expensive for most people
right now to
> > both pay for mobile phone data charges *and* for the content
itself.  I'd
> > rather offer the content for free, being a mobile phone user
frustrated with
> > the expensiveness of wanting content but not being able to afford
it on my
> > device...
> >
> > Harold
> > Something That Happened:
> > a story presented in text, sound, and video
> > http://SomethingThatHappened.com
> >
> >
> > On 4/19/06, Andy Carvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, William Volk  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This free site ... www.mynumo.com ... Automatically converts .mov,
> > > .mpg, and
> > > > .avi files into mobile and lets you sell them to mobile phone
users.
> > > >
> > > > Check it out.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Have you read their user agreement?
> > >
> > > http://www.mynumo.com/general.php?inc=tac
> > >
> > > If I'm reading it right, it's worse than most of the ones I've seen.
> > > It makes no mention of you holding onto the rights of any
content you
> > > upload - instead, it talks about them holding onto the rights:
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[videoblogging] Videoblogging Week 2006

[xicastmedia]

It's Wednesday a.m. and its already been a very long week for a lot of us.

I understand that there have been technical issues with some of the
3rd-party services that many of us here have tried to use.  All we
want to do is be included in the list of participants and see what
others are contributing to the event.

Thankfully, there's no more technical nonsense for anyone to deal with.

There is a system at: http://xicast.com/vlogweek2006/add.asp  

Add your video blog's URL, RSS feed and name and you're done.

Every 30 minutes it will check to see if you have added a new post. 
If it finds one, it will add it to the master list.

There are links there for you to monitor as well as an RSS feed for
you to point your feed reader to.

Contact me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you run into any
difficulties.

Thanks for your patience, and happy vlogging.

Aidan






 
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