Re: [videoblogging] Embed vs. Pop-Up
Hello,To be honest, I really do NOT like pop-ups. (When I want something to pop-up into a new window, I make it pop-up myself.)I prefer to get a direct link to the video. (That way I can open it up in a new window, a new tab, or in-place.) I'd suggest linking in this (direct) link to the video with a thumbnail of the video. (Instead of just some text.)See yaOn 4/16/06, Jeff Marquis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forgive my ignorance, as I'm sure many of you understand this better than I. Verdi mentioned today his dislike of embedded quicktime movies, and the issue of scrolling. Is the issue simply that viewing videos via a pop-up is optimal to the embedded approach, so that you can move the pop-up window around on the desktop to where you like? I hope this doesn't sound like too stupid of a question, but I want to make sure that I'm not missing something here. I have switched over from Josh's pop-up solution (embedthevideo.com), to Enric's vPIP. I can scroll OK, in Firefox and IE, while a vid is playing - although that isn't something I personally do that much. I would like to do what works best for my viewers (all 10 of them ), and would like to hear more opinions on what the group thinks is the optimal approach. Also, I would like to thank this discussion group for the fantastic support and guidance provided. I really enjoy monitoring the discussions, and appreciate the community spirit. Jeff Marquis Tidbit Vids --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah - I understand that Bill. For me the problem is even one embed quicktime movie is enough to make scrolling on a blog suck big time. On 4/16/06, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually the way Vpip works is that it doesn't actually embed the movie untill the thumbnail is clicked. Then it dynamically embeds the movie in the jpgs place (works with WMV SWF MP4 and QT) and if another movie is activated the script unembeds any other movies on the page. So it would be imposible to have more than one embeded movie on the page at a time. It's actually a really nice solution. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi michael@ wrote: On 4/16/06, Ryan Ozawa ryanozawa@ wrote:so I was wondering why they're so popular among vloggers. The answer to that question for me is: Even an elegant solution like Enric's vPIP results in a video embeded in your vlog. Scrolling the page, even with just one embeded Quicktime movie, sucks. To me it's a really crappy user experience. It really only works well on a page like Rocketboom's that's designed to not scroll. If instead the video appears in a pop-up window you now avoid the scrolling problem, plus the viewer can place the video where ever they want on the screen. -Verdi[...]-- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.casupercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___ Make Televisionhttp://maketelevision.com/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [videoblogging] Embed vs. Pop-Up
Hi Jeff, Many folks have pop-ups disabled on their browsers, therefore I prefer embedded. Also, I thinkthat embedded videos look more professional and do a better job of maintaining 'brand awareness'. CheersMonique Daniellehttp://www.vlogchallenge.com - This Week's Challenge Extended: Resurrectionhttp://www.vlogdiva.com - This Weeks Video: Networking Tips CheersMonique_Monique Danielle, PresidentReferrals comprise the majority of our business. Please tell others about us.DivaDesignWorldOregon PH: 971.285.3118Florida PH: 239.963.1243Fax: 206.309.0088www.divadesignworld.comwww.divadirectories.com -Original Message-From: Jeff Marquis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 11:58 PMTo: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comSubject: [videoblogging] Embed vs. Pop-UpForgive my ignorance, as I'm sure many of you understand this better than I.Verdi mentioned today his dislike of embedded quicktime movies, and the issue of scrolling. Is the issue simply that viewing videos via a pop-up is optimal to the embedded approach, so that you can move the pop-up window around on the desktop to where you like? I hope this doesn't sound like too stupid of a question, but I want to make sure that I'm not missing something here.I have switched over from Josh's pop-up solution (embedthevideo.com), to Enric's vPIP. I can scroll OK, in Firefox and IE, while a vid is playing - although that isn't something I personally do that much.I would like to do what works best for my viewers (all 10 of them ), and would like to hear more opinions on what the group thinks is the optimal approach.Also, I would like to thank this discussion group for the fantastic support and guidance provided. I really enjoy monitoring the discussions, and appreciate the community spirit.Jeff MarquisTidbit Vids--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Verdi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah - I understand that Bill. For me the problem is even one embed quicktime movie is enough to make scrolling on a blog suck big time. On 4/16/06, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually the way Vpip works is that it doesn't actually embed the movie untill the thumbnail is clicked. Then it dynamically embeds the movie in the jpgs place (works with WMV SWF MP4 and QT) and if another movie is activated the script unembeds any other movies on the page. So it would be imposible to have more than one embeded movie on the page at a time. It's actually a really nice solution. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Verdi" michael@ wrote: On 4/16/06, Ryan Ozawa ryanozawa@ wrote: so I was wondering why they're so popular among vloggers. The answer to that question for me is: Even an elegant solution like Enric's vPIP results in a video embeded in your vlog. Scrolling the page, even with just one embeded Quicktime movie, sucks. To me it's a really crappy user experience. It really only works well on a page like Rocketboom's that's designed to not scroll. If instead the video appears in a pop-up window you now avoid the scrolling problem, plus the viewer can place the video where ever they want on the screen. -Verdi -- Me: http://michaelverdi.com RD: http://evilvlog.com Learn to videoblog: http://freevlog.org Learn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Links -- Me: http://michaelverdi.com RD: http://evilvlog.com Learn to videoblog: http://freevlog.org Learn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Embed vs. Pop-Up
Not to get into a debate over which is better (I think they both work) but I do want to clear up some things. The popups I'm talking about are not blocked because the user initiated them. Like I said earlier the one thing that keeps me, personally, from using the embeded video on my own vlog is not that it's hard to scroll when the video is playing (though it is) it's that even after the video is done and you want to scroll down and look at something else, the embeded video causes rendering problems and makes scrolling kind of jerky. That's why I said they work better on a site where there is only one video displayed - like Rocketboom or Stephanie's site. One of these days when I get around to it, I've got a videoblog that I want to do with avatars from Second Life - where I've set up a template that shows one video at a time embeded in a page (no scrolling necessary). -Verdi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [videoblogging] Embed vs. Pop-Up
Hi Verdi, I've clicked on a link for a pop-up and my broswer will not allow it because of the settings I have. . . . I hate pop-ups for this reason. In order for me to view them I have to OK them for that site/page. I agree that a major limitation to embedded videos is that you are limited to showing one video/page, otherwise it can be problematic. -Original Message-From: Michael Verdi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:10 AMTo: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [videoblogging] Embed vs. Pop-UpNot to get into a debate over which is better (I think they both work) but I do want to clear up some things. The popups I'm talking about are not blocked because the user initiated them. Like I said earlier the one thing that keeps me, personally, from using the embeded video on my own vlog is not that it's hard to scroll when the video is playing (though it is) it's that even after the video is done and you want to scroll down and look at something else, the embeded video causes rendering problems and makes scrolling kind of "jerky." That's why I said they work better on a site where there is only one video displayed - like Rocketboom or Stephanie's site. One of these days when I get around to it, I've got a videoblog that I want to do with avatars from Second Life - where I've set up a template that shows one video at a time embeded in a page (no scrolling necessary). -Verdi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Embed vs. Pop-Up
Much agreed. In terms of user experience, depending on popups to display your work will often provide a discontinuous experience for many people. Because so many people have popup blockers they will have to allow popups, even from a site like Verdi's or that recommended by freevlog . Also, popups tend to linger around when not closed out by the little x and can often upset people for needing to require the extra step of closing it (especially after they are finished browsing all together). We use a popup for comments but I feel as though a popup is okay there for three reasons: a) it prevents the need to scroll the video, b) it ads another layer to people who are so quick to blurt out anything, c) it's also not justified in many ways, but I just like it.To me the most obvious solution, in terms of information architecture, design and browser limitations (or rather, using blog software) would be to host one video per page as a means of archiving and then either list your most recent video in the index and/or list out the links to your archives (maybe with images?)The sky is the limit of course, if you want popups, thats the way to go for you.Does anyone know how many people use popup blocks?I am going to take a wild guess and say the 40-50% of people who browse regularly do.On Apr 17, 2006, at 9:17 AM, Monique Danielle wrote: Hi Verdi, I've clicked on a link for a pop-up and my broswer will not allow it because of the settings I have. . . . I hate pop-ups for this reason. In order for me to view them I have to OK them for that site/page. I agree that a major limitation to embedded videos is that you are limited to showing one video/page, otherwise it can be problematic. -Original Message-From: Michael Verdi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:10 AMTo: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [videoblogging] Embed vs. Pop-UpNot to get into a debate over which is better (I think they both work) but I do want to clear up some things. The popups I'm talking about are not blocked because the user initiated them. Like I said earlier the one thing that keeps me, personally, from using the embeded video on my own vlog is not that it's hard to scroll when the video is playing (though it is) it's that even after the video is done and you want to scroll down and look at something else, the embeded video causes rendering problems and makes scrolling kind of "jerky." That's why I said they work better on a site where there is only one video displayed - like Rocketboom or Stephanie's site. One of these days when I get around to it, I've got a videoblog that I want to do with avatars from Second Life - where I've set up a template that shows one video at a time embeded in a page (no scrolling necessary). -Verdi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Embed vs. Pop-Up
i'm a little confused by pop-up blocking.. i use firefox (er.. 1.5.0.2 i think?) on OSX 10.4,) and i have 'block pop-ups' ticked.. But i can look at michael's pop-ups and my own without being asked to 'allow' it.. hwo much does this vary across different browsers? Funnily enough this thread has sent me back to using pop-ups after trying out embedded video for a while.. my personal reasons being - 1. i like to have lots of small thumbnails on my main page, for me this is to make it clear that my videoblog is about the flow of content, rather than the 'current' video.. and also my most recent videos aren't very interesting on their own! ;) 2. i like the independence of a pop-up window for the video, it makes it like a little polaroid for me, somehow it makes it more 'physical'.. but obviously i'm not expecting many other people to agree with me on this!. it also lets me play with aspect ratios and negative space on the viewers desktop. be welld YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Embed vs. Pop-Up
Forgive my ignorance, as I'm sure many of you understand this better than I. Verdi mentioned today his dislike of embedded quicktime movies, and the issue of scrolling. Is the issue simply that viewing videos via a pop-up is optimal to the embedded approach, so that you can move the pop-up window around on the desktop to where you like? I hope this doesn't sound like too stupid of a question, but I want to make sure that I'm not missing something here. I have switched over from Josh's pop-up solution (embedthevideo.com), to Enric's vPIP. I can scroll OK, in Firefox and IE, while a vid is playing - although that isn't something I personally do that much. I would like to do what works best for my viewers (all 10 of them ), and would like to hear more opinions on what the group thinks is the optimal approach. Also, I would like to thank this discussion group for the fantastic support and guidance provided. I really enjoy monitoring the discussions, and appreciate the community spirit. Jeff Marquis Tidbit Vids --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Verdi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah - I understand that Bill. For me the problem is even one embed quicktime movie is enough to make scrolling on a blog suck big time. On 4/16/06, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually the way Vpip works is that it doesn't actually embed the movie untill the thumbnail is clicked. Then it dynamically embeds the movie in the jpgs place (works with WMV SWF MP4 and QT) and if another movie is activated the script unembeds any other movies on the page. So it would be imposible to have more than one embeded movie on the page at a time. It's actually a really nice solution. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Verdi" michael@ wrote: On 4/16/06, Ryan Ozawa ryanozawa@ wrote:so I was wondering why they're so popular among vloggers. The answer to that question for me is: Even an elegant solution like Enric's vPIP results in a video embeded in your vlog. Scrolling the page, even with just one embeded Quicktime movie, sucks. To me it's a really crappy user experience. It really only works well on a page like Rocketboom's that's designed to not scroll. If instead the video appears in a pop-up window you now avoid the scrolling problem, plus the viewer can place the video where ever they want on the screen. -Verdi -- Me: http://michaelverdi.com RD: http://evilvlog.com Learn to videoblog: http://freevlog.org Learn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Links -- Me: http://michaelverdi.com RD: http://evilvlog.com Learn to videoblog: http://freevlog.org Learn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Embed vs. Pop-Up
On 4/16/06, Jeff Marquis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forgive my ignorance, as I'm sure many of you understand this better than I. Verdi mentioned today his dislike of embedded quicktime movies, and the issue of scrolling. Is the issue simply that viewing videos via a pop-up is optimal to the embedded approach, so that you can move the pop-up window around on the desktop to where you like? I hope this doesn't sound like too stupid of a question, but I want to make sure that I'm not missing something here. See, I prefer the embedded approach, because I hate popups with the passion of a thousand fiery suns. Even when I request them, I hate 'em. They are one of the worst interface implementations in existence. I do, however, have my vlog set to only show one day at a time-- it's extremely rare for me to post more than one video in a given day, so the scrolling issue just doesn't come up all that much, and I never have multiple videos start playing at once (there is one thing you have to click to play my videos-- the embedded play control... at least, until the recent garbage). I think an embed/object solution would be a very elegant way to do vlogs. If Microsoft hadn't just broken what was already on crutches to begin with. --Stpehanie -- Stephanie Bryant[EMAIL PROTECTED]Blogs, vlogs, and audioblogs at:http://www.mortaine.com/blogs YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
