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Thanks for the plug Rupert, seems ironic that this is one of the posts that ended up in my spam folder. I check it once a week and always find a handful of videobloggerss. JC --- On Tue, 10/6/09, Rupert Howe rup...@twittervlog.tv wrote: From: Rupert Howe rup...@twittervlog.tv Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Keeping tapes To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 9:32 AM Since you're too modest to post a link to your own videos, I will! Here's the 1980s category from jchtv.com, for those in the mood for some VHS nostalgia http://www.jchtv. com/?cat= 292 On 6-Oct-09, at 1:29 PM, John Coffey wrote: So glad that I still have all my home movies on VHS that I started shootin in 1983. Still look good moving them to DV now. JC --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Pete Prodoehl ras...@gmail. com wrote: From: Pete Prodoehl ras...@gmail. com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Keeping tapes To: videoblogging@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 12:01 PM I put my 20+ year old box of audio cassettes to good use... And you can see some of the results here: http://www.mkepunk. com/ I consider myself an archivist and documentarian which are fancy words for packrat and guy who doesn't throw things away... ever! Sometimes you can only see the value of things later. Sometimes much later. Pete Adam Quirk wrote: I'm in the middle of a move, and came across the box of mini-DV tapes I've accumulated over the years. I'm seriously considering chucking it all. Will I, or anyone, really ever want to watch two-hundred hours of random clips from my life and work? There's a part of me that wants to keep everything, every second that I shot. But there's another part of me that knows I already cut and uploaded and shared the best parts of these tapes. I'm not really sure what I'm asking here, but you guys would probably have the best insight into this sort of thing. AQ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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2009/10/5 Pete Prodoehl ras...@gmail.com I put my 20+ year old box of audio cassettes to good use... And you can see some of the results here: http://www.mkepunk.com/ That's really cool, Pete. Any idea on license terms for these MP3s, though? By implication they are free to listen, but is it OK to use them in derived works? Or commercial projects? Do you (or the original artists) want attribution? etc. Thanks, Frank.
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That's a really nice site Pete, beautifully put together! I myself just moved my studio and turned up a bunch of tapes from when I ran shoutcast streams around the turn of the century, I've been steadily podcasting them at http://wwwhatsup.com/streamola/ after which they hit the dumper! joly On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Pete Prodoehl ras...@gmail.com wrote: I put my 20+ year old box of audio cassettes to good use... And you can see some of the results here: http://www.mkepunk.com/ I consider myself an archivist and documentarian which are fancy words for packrat and guy who doesn't throw things away... ever! Sometimes you can only see the value of things later. Sometimes much later. Pete -- --- Joly MacFie 917 442 8665 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com ---
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adam, someone like me will LOVE the fact you kept them. maybe, in 80 years time, when i finally get around to finishing my phd, I'll ask you for them. it'll be a historical project worth doing i think :) trine On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Joly MacFie j...@punkcast.com wrote: That's a really nice site Pete, beautifully put together! I myself just moved my studio and turned up a bunch of tapes from when I ran shoutcast streams around the turn of the century, I've been steadily podcasting them at http://wwwhatsup.com/streamola/ after which they hit the dumper! joly On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Pete Prodoehl ras...@gmail.comraster%40gmail.com wrote: I put my 20+ year old box of audio cassettes to good use... And you can see some of the results here: http://www.mkepunk.com/ I consider myself an archivist and documentarian which are fancy words for packrat and guy who doesn't throw things away... ever! Sometimes you can only see the value of things later. Sometimes much later. Pete -- -- Joly MacFie 917 442 8665 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com -- -- twitter.com/trine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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So glad that I still have all my home movies on VHS that I started shootin in 1983. Still look good moving them to DV now. JC --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Pete Prodoehl ras...@gmail.com wrote: From: Pete Prodoehl ras...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Keeping tapes To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 12:01 PM I put my 20+ year old box of audio cassettes to good use... And you can see some of the results here: http://www.mkepunk. com/ I consider myself an archivist and documentarian which are fancy words for packrat and guy who doesn't throw things away... ever! Sometimes you can only see the value of things later. Sometimes much later. Pete Adam Quirk wrote: I'm in the middle of a move, and came across the box of mini-DV tapes I've accumulated over the years. I'm seriously considering chucking it all. Will I, or anyone, really ever want to watch two-hundred hours of random clips from my life and work? There's a part of me that wants to keep everything, every second that I shot. But there's another part of me that knows I already cut and uploaded and shared the best parts of these tapes. I'm not really sure what I'm asking here, but you guys would probably have the best insight into this sort of thing. AQ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Since you're too modest to post a link to your own videos, I will! Here's the 1980s category from jchtv.com, for those in the mood for some VHS nostalgia http://www.jchtv.com/?cat=292 On 6-Oct-09, at 1:29 PM, John Coffey wrote: So glad that I still have all my home movies on VHS that I started shootin in 1983. Still look good moving them to DV now. JC --- On Mon, 10/5/09, Pete Prodoehl ras...@gmail.com wrote: From: Pete Prodoehl ras...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Keeping tapes To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 12:01 PM I put my 20+ year old box of audio cassettes to good use... And you can see some of the results here: http://www.mkepunk. com/ I consider myself an archivist and documentarian which are fancy words for packrat and guy who doesn't throw things away... ever! Sometimes you can only see the value of things later. Sometimes much later. Pete Adam Quirk wrote: I'm in the middle of a move, and came across the box of mini-DV tapes I've accumulated over the years. I'm seriously considering chucking it all. Will I, or anyone, really ever want to watch two-hundred hours of random clips from my life and work? There's a part of me that wants to keep everything, every second that I shot. But there's another part of me that knows I already cut and uploaded and shared the best parts of these tapes. I'm not really sure what I'm asking here, but you guys would probably have the best insight into this sort of thing. AQ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I still have tapes from my Public Access TV days back in Hawaii from the mid 90's. Am surprised how handsome I was then! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I still have tapes from my Public Access TV days back in Hawaii from the mid 90's. Am surprised how handsome I was then! Perfect example for digitizing and archiving on a blog. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com http://twitter.com/jaydedman 917 371 6790
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A few years back I tried really hard to get all the old bands I could find to release their work under an open license, Creative Commons, etc. but most of the people didn't understand that. So now I'm mostly feeding files to another guy, who is locating band members (Facebook is useful for this) to get permission. In many cases band give permission because they don't even have digital copies! The guy who hosts the site is ready and willing to pull down any files if an old band member decides he doesn't want the stuff published. Luckily, we're all pretty much a bunch of friends and cohorts who lost touch with each other, so we're hoping it won't be an issue. Anything I've been involved with I get permission from others to apply a proper license. Pete Frank Carver wrote: 2009/10/5 Pete Prodoehl ras...@gmail.com I put my 20+ year old box of audio cassettes to good use... And you can see some of the results here: http://www.mkepunk.com/ That's really cool, Pete. Any idea on license terms for these MP3s, though? By implication they are free to listen, but is it OK to use them in derived works? Or commercial projects? Do you (or the original artists) want attribution? etc. Thanks, Frank. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I put my 20+ year old box of audio cassettes to good use... And you can see some of the results here: http://www.mkepunk.com/ I consider myself an archivist and documentarian which are fancy words for packrat and guy who doesn't throw things away... ever! Sometimes you can only see the value of things later. Sometimes much later. Pete Adam Quirk wrote: I'm in the middle of a move, and came across the box of mini-DV tapes I've accumulated over the years. I'm seriously considering chucking it all. Will I, or anyone, really ever want to watch two-hundred hours of random clips from my life and work? There's a part of me that wants to keep everything, every second that I shot. But there's another part of me that knows I already cut and uploaded and shared the best parts of these tapes. I'm not really sure what I'm asking here, but you guys would probably have the best insight into this sort of thing. AQ
[videoblogging] Keeping tapes
I'm in the middle of a move, and came across the box of mini-DV tapes I've accumulated over the years. I'm seriously considering chucking it all. Will I, or anyone, really ever want to watch two-hundred hours of random clips from my life and work? There's a part of me that wants to keep everything, every second that I shot. But there's another part of me that knows I already cut and uploaded and shared the best parts of these tapes. I'm not really sure what I'm asking here, but you guys would probably have the best insight into this sort of thing. AQ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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get rid of the evidence! or you could always convert the tapes into some strange form of art and hang it on your wall. maybe include a whiskey bottle. On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Adam Quirk qu...@wreckandsalvage.comwrote: I'm in the middle of a move, and came across the box of mini-DV tapes I've accumulated over the years. I'm seriously considering chucking it all. Will I, or anyone, really ever want to watch two-hundred hours of random clips from my life and work? There's a part of me that wants to keep everything, every second that I shot. But there's another part of me that knows I already cut and uploaded and shared the best parts of these tapes. I'm not really sure what I'm asking here, but you guys would probably have the best insight into this sort of thing. AQ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I'm a bit biased due to my training as a historian, but throwing away any record that cannot be recreated makes me cringe, no matter how prosaic the content may be. Keep them, Adam, and keep a machine that can play/transfer the DV tapes. There will be a time in your life when you will have plenty of time to watch that footage, and I'm 99.99% sure there is something there that you will be very grateful to have kept ev On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Adam Quirk qu...@wreckandsalvage.comwrote: I'm in the middle of a move, and came across the box of mini-DV tapes I've accumulated over the years. I'm seriously considering chucking it all. Will I, or anyone, really ever want to watch two-hundred hours of random clips from my life and work? There's a part of me that wants to keep everything, every second that I shot. But there's another part of me that knows I already cut and uploaded and shared the best parts of these tapes. I'm not really sure what I'm asking here, but you guys would probably have the best insight into this sort of thing. AQ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Jeffrey Taylor 912 Cole St, #349 San Francisco, CA 94117 USA Mobile: +14157281264 Fax: +33177722734 http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor http://videocampsf.com Love without power is sentimental, power without love is abusive - Martin Luther King [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:videoblogging-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: videoblogging-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Adam, I used to be a pack rat and got over it and now ruthlessly throw
all manner of physical crap out all the time. However, I'd argue that
they're worth something to your family even if they aren't to you.
Mini-DV tapes are SMALL. Not a lot of baggage.
On Sep 27, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Adam Quirk wrote:
I'm in the middle of a move, and came across the box of mini-DV
tapes I've
accumulated over the years. I'm seriously considering chucking it all.
Will I, or anyone, really ever want to watch two-hundred hours of
random
clips from my life and work?
There's a part of me that wants to keep everything, every second
that I
shot. But there's another part of me that knows I already cut and
uploaded
and shared the best parts of these tapes.
I'm not really sure what I'm asking here, but you guys would
probably have
the best insight into this sort of thing.
AQ
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I agree with Jeffrey. I used to throw all kinds of stuff out and now wished I'd kept it. What little I did keep mostly sits in boxes but it's pretty nice to have the ability to look through it every once in a while. Things that didn't seem important or valuable at the time have a way of taking on a different significance later on. -Verdi On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Jeffrey Taylor thejeffreytay...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a bit biased due to my training as a historian, but throwing away any record that cannot be recreated makes me cringe, no matter how prosaic the content may be. Keep them, Adam, and keep a machine that can play/transfer the DV tapes. There will be a time in your life when you will have plenty of time to watch that footage, and I'm 99.99% sure there is something there that you will be very grateful to have kept – ev On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Adam Quirk qu...@wreckandsalvage.comwrote: I'm in the middle of a move, and came across the box of mini-DV tapes I've accumulated over the years. I'm seriously considering chucking it all. Will I, or anyone, really ever want to watch two-hundred hours of random clips from my life and work? There's a part of me that wants to keep everything, every second that I shot. But there's another part of me that knows I already cut and uploaded and shared the best parts of these tapes. I'm not really sure what I'm asking here, but you guys would probably have the best insight into this sort of thing. AQ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Jeffrey Taylor 912 Cole St, #349 San Francisco, CA 94117 USA Mobile: +14157281264 Fax: +33177722734 http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor http://videocampsf.com Love without power is sentimental, power without love is abusive - Martin Luther King [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- Michael Verdi http://milkweedmediadesign.com http://michaelverdi.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:videoblogging-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: videoblogging-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Sep 27, 2009, at 8:46 AM, Adam Quirk wrote: Will I, or anyone, really ever want to watch two-hundred hours of random clips from my life and work? just thinking out loud... makes me wonder: what are the costs associated with private cloud hosting for all your old media in raw format? let's do the math and look up a few figures on the web 200 hours of dv requires 11.25 GB/hour eternal drive storage is 2.25 terabytes amazon s3 storage is 0.15US / terabyte monthly for first 50TB so about 0.34 cents US / month how get it there? tip: do not try this with an old modem. amazon has service to import/export from/to external hard disks $80 US + $2.49 US /hour xfer time. normal S3 bandwidth in costs waived. I think (please check for yourself), Firewire400 or USB2 connections transfer 1TB in approximately 5.6 hours. FW800 is half that. so about $95 / per drive in the TB range. keep in mind that you may prefer to use multiple drives to keep drive cost down (e.g., two 1.5TB drives would cost about $210 to import). don't forget your time to transfer all the tapes to the hard disks (ugh!) cost of hard disk (could be returned as is or with new data you collected from web into amazon before shipping back; you could also utilize smaller disks and more imports to amazon to best fit budget and time constraints; not sure this is approved drive, see extensive amazon list of supported devices) 2 x 1.5TB drives on ebay, free shiping = 2 x $400 us = $800 anyway, just a bunch of numbers that might relate to your or others decisions about where to store raw media. please let me know if i'm missing something. this does not consider costs of sharing back out to lots of peeps or how to catalog and find stuff. would be interesting to now calculate cost of copying all of it over from cloud to archive.org that would probably give Brewster a heart attack! markus http://twitter.com/apperceptions [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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i've been wrestling with the same problem. but right here beside me are a stack of 16mm reels, a shelf of DV tapes and a big box of family super 8 films that have survived my intercontinental shenanigans. don't ditch them. you may think you have uploaded all the best parts, but in 100 years there'll be someone who wants to watch all the bits in between. maybe your great grandchildren. maybe you. as Julian said, DV tapes are small in the scheme of things. get a small box. instead ditch other things made by other people that you could buy again if you really wanted to, like books you're never going to read again. On 27-Sep-09, at 4:46 PM, Adam Quirk wrote: I'm in the middle of a move, and came across the box of mini-DV tapes I've accumulated over the years. I'm seriously considering chucking it all. Will I, or anyone, really ever want to watch two-hundred hours of random clips from my life and work? There's a part of me that wants to keep everything, every second that I shot. But there's another part of me that knows I already cut and uploaded and shared the best parts of these tapes. I'm not really sure what I'm asking here, but you guys would probably have the best insight into this sort of thing. AQ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 1:46 AM, Adam Quirk qu...@wreckandsalvage.com wrote: I'm in the middle of a move, and came across the box of mini-DV tapes I've accumulated over the years. I'm seriously considering chucking it all. Will I, or anyone, really ever want to watch two-hundred hours of random clips from my life and work? Almost certainly not. But 1 minute of it could be the most valuable thing you've ever kept. Don't toss'em, you'll regret it. The physical space required is trivial, but the data is irreplaceable.. There's a part of me that wants to keep everything, every second that I shot. But there's another part of me that knows I already cut and uploaded and shared the best parts of these tapes. What was best at the time may not be so in the future. Dave.
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100% keep the tapes. The future is obscure. You can never predict exactly how you feel, and what you may value, let alone how others will feel about your work. You have everything to gain and nothing to lose by keeping the mini-DVs. On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 8:33 PM, David Jones david.jo...@altium.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 1:46 AM, Adam Quirk qu...@wreckandsalvage.comquirk%40wreckandsalvage.com wrote: I'm in the middle of a move, and came across the box of mini-DV tapes I've accumulated over the years. I'm seriously considering chucking it all. Will I, or anyone, really ever want to watch two-hundred hours of random clips from my life and work? Almost certainly not. But 1 minute of it could be the most valuable thing you've ever kept. Don't toss'em, you'll regret it. The physical space required is trivial, but the data is irreplaceable.. There's a part of me that wants to keep everything, every second that I shot. But there's another part of me that knows I already cut and uploaded and shared the best parts of these tapes. What was best at the time may not be so in the future. Dave. -- =The Plot to Save Socrates= challenging fun - Entertainment Weekly =The Silk Code= delivers on its promises - The New York Times published 3 Sept 2009, new nonfiction =New New Media= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I think this differs wildly depending on who you are. Part of me feels the way Jeffrey does... when it's other people's media. For my own, looking at a box of old tapes gives me a choking sensation. I try to discard whatever I don't think will be useful for a future project, but I wait at least a year to make that decision, since I find I don't really have enough perspective to use material to its best advantage for at least that long after I've shot it/captured it/whatever. I even destroy masters occasionally, but I'm someone who sometimes cringes when old work of mine shows up somewhere, so I'm probably not the best advice-giver here. I even throw away my notebooks every few years. My fantasy life involves not having to store anything, ever, and having every tool I need to make music and video without compromise fit in a shoebox. I've just never made peace with the reality of Stuff. Given what Trace Garden was made of, this is total hypocrisy, I know. Brook _ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I get that same choking feeling. I feel the need to purge every once in a while and start fresh. I just threw out a *lot* of old notebooks today, and it felt good. But the tapes I'm keeping. Boxed up and in the back of the closet where I don't have to think about them until I move again. Thanks for the replies everyone. On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Brook Hinton bhin...@gmail.com wrote: I think this differs wildly depending on who you are. Part of me feels the way Jeffrey does... when it's other people's media. For my own, looking at a box of old tapes gives me a choking sensation. I try to discard whatever I don't think will be useful for a future project, but I wait at least a year to make that decision, since I find I don't really have enough perspective to use material to its best advantage for at least that long after I've shot it/captured it/whatever. I even destroy masters occasionally, but I'm someone who sometimes cringes when old work of mine shows up somewhere, so I'm probably not the best advice-giver here. I even throw away my notebooks every few years. My fantasy life involves not having to store anything, ever, and having every tool I need to make music and video without compromise fit in a shoebox. I've just never made peace with the reality of Stuff. Given what Trace Garden was made of, this is total hypocrisy, I know. Brook _ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Chuck it all, Adam. It´s a very nice feeling. Do you know Las Fallas de Valencia? It´s a spanish celebration: they work all year long to make giant, beautiful, expensive sculptures with wood etc. and one night they set them alight. All in honor of St. Joseph, patron of carpenters. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FypDyGNyDyQfeature=channel pepa garcía http://teleperra.tumblr.com http://pepa.tv http://twitter.com/pepa 2009/9/28 Adam Quirk qu...@wreckandsalvage.com I get that same choking feeling. I feel the need to purge every once in a while and start fresh. I just threw out a *lot* of old notebooks today, and it felt good. But the tapes I'm keeping. Boxed up and in the back of the closet where I don't have to think about them until I move again. Thanks for the replies everyone. On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Brook Hinton bhin...@gmail.combhinton%40gmail.com wrote: I think this differs wildly depending on who you are. Part of me feels the way Jeffrey does... when it's other people's media. For my own, looking at a box of old tapes gives me a choking sensation. I try to discard whatever I don't think will be useful for a future project, but I wait at least a year to make that decision, since I find I don't really have enough perspective to use material to its best advantage for at least that long after I've shot it/captured it/whatever. I even destroy masters occasionally, but I'm someone who sometimes cringes when old work of mine shows up somewhere, so I'm probably not the best advice-giver here. I even throw away my notebooks every few years. My fantasy life involves not having to store anything, ever, and having every tool I need to make music and video without compromise fit in a shoebox. I've just never made peace with the reality of Stuff. Given what Trace Garden was made of, this is total hypocrisy, I know. Brook _ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
