[videoblogging] Re: Bid for Placement on YouTube
That would surprise me somewhat - you sure you werent deleted for other reasons? Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, liza jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we figured this was coming. first two times youtube deleted us it was after we got a million channel views. seemed we were required to upgrade somehow to continue being seen. so, i wonder if my money is good with them. wonder if i am protected from being deleted. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jake Ludington jake@ wrote: I know many of you would be opposed to buying ads to get your content noticed, but what makes this auction process different? You are effectively buying an ad. I know Gary V has purchased google adwords to promote some of his content, depending on his motive buying placement on YouTube might also make sense. If you have a crappy video, no amount of money will get people to watch it. Buying an ad can be the only option for a great video to escape obscurity. As for Brooks' comment re: ignoring ads, someone must click on them because they pay me quite nicely. This will be no different. Some people will ignore promoted videos, some people won't. Jake Ludington http://www.jakeludington.com On Nov 12, 2008 4:44 PM, @sull sulleleven@ wrote: good point. but there must be some value in featured spots. maybe they have some metrics to share. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Brook Hinton bhinton@ wrote: My eyes automatically... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Bid for Placement on YouTube
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would surprise me somewhat - you sure you werent deleted for other reasons? Cheers Steve Elbows as we are PG-13 - no nudity, foul language (unless you count puns) or violence - why we get deleted from one single complaint remains a mystery. when it first happened i did a little search for TOS violating vids and found lots of stuff i wish i had never seen that had been up for years. so clearly something else is going on. http://thedaredolldilemmas.blip.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, liza jean daredoll@ wrote: we figured this was coming. first two times youtube deleted us it was after we got a million channel views. seemed we were required to upgrade somehow to continue being seen. so, i wonder if my money is good with them. wonder if i am protected from being deleted. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jake Ludington jake@ wrote: I know many of you would be opposed to buying ads to get your content noticed, but what makes this auction process different? You are effectively buying an ad. I know Gary V has purchased google adwords to promote some of his content, depending on his motive buying placement on YouTube might also make sense. If you have a crappy video, no amount of money will get people to watch it. Buying an ad can be the only option for a great video to escape obscurity. As for Brooks' comment re: ignoring ads, someone must click on them because they pay me quite nicely. This will be no different. Some people will ignore promoted videos, some people won't. Jake Ludington http://www.jakeludington.com On Nov 12, 2008 4:44 PM, @sull sulleleven@ wrote: good point. but there must be some value in featured spots. maybe they have some metrics to share. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Brook Hinton bhinton@ wrote: My eyes automatically... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Bid for Placement on YouTube
Im not claiming things are done fairly, I simply refute the idea that popularity alone is going to get you kicked off youtube. Its more likely to get you noticed, so if there is something they object to about your content they are more likely to notice and go through with it than if you only had 3 views. And complaints could for a lot, even ungrounded complaints, because they draw your content to someones attention and force them to make a decision. Just because you think you are PG-13 and there's no nudity or foul language, doesnt mean your content is immune from people taking offense. If you suspect your vids are being deleted because they feature simulated asphyxiation, light bondage etc, then you are probably right. Again Im not claiming its fair, in an age where much advertising is designed to trigger 'impure thoughts', where there is a lot more graphic violence on tv, etc, but taboo's remain and so video hosting sites still end up censoring content. Sites which communicate properly with content producers are the best we can hope for, and youtube has always sucked at that. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, liza jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: That would surprise me somewhat - you sure you werent deleted for other reasons? Cheers Steve Elbows as we are PG-13 - no nudity, foul language (unless you count puns) or violence - why we get deleted from one single complaint remains a mystery. when it first happened i did a little search for TOS violating vids and found lots of stuff i wish i had never seen that had been up for years. so clearly something else is going on. http://thedaredolldilemmas.blip.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, liza jean daredoll@ wrote: we figured this was coming. first two times youtube deleted us it was after we got a million channel views. seemed we were required to upgrade somehow to continue being seen. so, i wonder if my money is good with them. wonder if i am protected from being deleted. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jake Ludington jake@ wrote: I know many of you would be opposed to buying ads to get your content noticed, but what makes this auction process different? You are effectively buying an ad. I know Gary V has purchased google adwords to promote some of his content, depending on his motive buying placement on YouTube might also make sense. If you have a crappy video, no amount of money will get people to watch it. Buying an ad can be the only option for a great video to escape obscurity. As for Brooks' comment re: ignoring ads, someone must click on them because they pay me quite nicely. This will be no different. Some people will ignore promoted videos, some people won't. Jake Ludington http://www.jakeludington.com On Nov 12, 2008 4:44 PM, @sull sulleleven@ wrote: good point. but there must be some value in featured spots. maybe they have some metrics to share. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Brook Hinton bhinton@ wrote: My eyes automatically... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Bid for Placement on YouTube
popularity with not a single extra cent going to youtube is one hypothesis about our deletion dilemma, but i think someone is hugely angry that we routinely expose the fact that spandex is not actually a protective layer. the idea that it is is planted early and often in children's television, and children are simply unaware that our material is not just for them. my six year old niece loves our work, but wonders why our heroines don't try harder to avoid the traps. if i can just influence a few thousand 6 year old girls to be on the lookout for such traps it will be a good thing. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im not claiming things are done fairly, I simply refute the idea that popularity alone is going to get you kicked off youtube. Its more likely to get you noticed, so if there is something they object to about your content they are more likely to notice and go through with it than if you only had 3 views. And complaints could for a lot, even ungrounded complaints, because they draw your content to someones attention and force them to make a decision. Just because you think you are PG-13 and there's no nudity or foul language, doesnt mean your content is immune from people taking offense. If you suspect your vids are being deleted because they feature simulated asphyxiation, light bondage etc, then you are probably right. Again Im not claiming its fair, in an age where much advertising is designed to trigger 'impure thoughts', where there is a lot more graphic violence on tv, etc, but taboo's remain and so video hosting sites still end up censoring content. Sites which communicate properly with content producers are the best we can hope for, and youtube has always sucked at that. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, liza jean daredoll@ wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: That would surprise me somewhat - you sure you werent deleted for other reasons? Cheers Steve Elbows as we are PG-13 - no nudity, foul language (unless you count puns) or violence - why we get deleted from one single complaint remains a mystery. when it first happened i did a little search for TOS violating vids and found lots of stuff i wish i had never seen that had been up for years. so clearly something else is going on. http://thedaredolldilemmas.blip.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, liza jean daredoll@ wrote: we figured this was coming. first two times youtube deleted us it was after we got a million channel views. seemed we were required to upgrade somehow to continue being seen. so, i wonder if my money is good with them. wonder if i am protected from being deleted. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jake Ludington jake@ wrote: I know many of you would be opposed to buying ads to get your content noticed, but what makes this auction process different? You are effectively buying an ad. I know Gary V has purchased google adwords to promote some of his content, depending on his motive buying placement on YouTube might also make sense. If you have a crappy video, no amount of money will get people to watch it. Buying an ad can be the only option for a great video to escape obscurity. As for Brooks' comment re: ignoring ads, someone must click on them because they pay me quite nicely. This will be no different. Some people will ignore promoted videos, some people won't. Jake Ludington http://www.jakeludington.com On Nov 12, 2008 4:44 PM, @sull sulleleven@ wrote: good point. but there must be some value in featured spots. maybe they have some metrics to share. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Brook Hinton bhinton@ wrote: My eyes automatically... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bid for Placement on YouTube
true that may be. but youtube stands alone. the same can be said of TV, and like it or not, youtube has become TV of the Internet in the context of audience. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: No no no no no. No. Nobody makes money on this shit except google. Vloggers will make peanuts, and traditional clients aren't up to spending money on such a risky spend. This is the devaluation of content that I fear may be the ass end of the democratization of media. I guess freedom ain't free. Serial and artistic content does NOT belong on YouTube. They have put the creator last from the beginning. 2008/11/13 liza jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] daredoll%40gmail.com we figured this was coming. first two times youtube deleted us it was after we got a million channel views. seemed we were required to upgrade somehow to continue being seen. so, i wonder if my money is good with them. wonder if i am protected from being deleted. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com, Jake Ludington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know many of you would be opposed to buying ads to get your content noticed, but what makes this auction process different? You are effectively buying an ad. I know Gary V has purchased google adwords to promote some of his content, depending on his motive buying placement on YouTube might also make sense. If you have a crappy video, no amount of money will get people to watch it. Buying an ad can be the only option for a great video to escape obscurity. As for Brooks' comment re: ignoring ads, someone must click on them because they pay me quite nicely. This will be no different. Some people will ignore promoted videos, some people won't. Jake Ludington http://www.jakeludington.com On Nov 12, 2008 4:44 PM, @sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: good point. but there must be some value in featured spots. maybe they have some metrics to share. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My eyes automatically... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]thejeffreytaylor%40gmail.com http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Bid for Placement on YouTube
This is not as evil as it sounds, because the placement won't be in your regular search results. Purchased placement will be on the right column, just like Adwords. Damien http://ZapRoot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, @... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: good point. but there must be some value in featured spots. maybe they have some metrics to share. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My eyes automatically block out google's sponsored links in searches, in the same way they do ads, and I suspect any sponsored you tube video will also be brain-filtered. It seems like a natural response and I would think most people end up doing this - so I'm not sure spending any effort on winning a sponsored video auction will prove worthwhile unless its an overtly selling-something (like a pasta maker/espresso machine hybrid or something) video. But maybe it's just me. I know if I search for something in google, a few minutes later I can tell you the first few hits that came up, but I can't tell you any of the stuff that was in that sponsored section. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Bid for Placement on YouTube
we figured this was coming. first two times youtube deleted us it was after we got a million channel views. seemed we were required to upgrade somehow to continue being seen. so, i wonder if my money is good with them. wonder if i am protected from being deleted. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jake Ludington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know many of you would be opposed to buying ads to get your content noticed, but what makes this auction process different? You are effectively buying an ad. I know Gary V has purchased google adwords to promote some of his content, depending on his motive buying placement on YouTube might also make sense. If you have a crappy video, no amount of money will get people to watch it. Buying an ad can be the only option for a great video to escape obscurity. As for Brooks' comment re: ignoring ads, someone must click on them because they pay me quite nicely. This will be no different. Some people will ignore promoted videos, some people won't. Jake Ludington http://www.jakeludington.com On Nov 12, 2008 4:44 PM, @sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: good point. but there must be some value in featured spots. maybe they have some metrics to share. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My eyes automatically... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bid for Placement on YouTube
No no no no no. No. Nobody makes money on this shit except google. Vloggers will make peanuts, and traditional clients aren't up to spending money on such a risky spend. This is the devaluation of content that I fear may be the ass end of the democratization of media. I guess freedom ain't free. Serial and artistic content does NOT belong on YouTube. They have put the creator last from the beginning. 2008/11/13 liza jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] we figured this was coming. first two times youtube deleted us it was after we got a million channel views. seemed we were required to upgrade somehow to continue being seen. so, i wonder if my money is good with them. wonder if i am protected from being deleted. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jake Ludington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know many of you would be opposed to buying ads to get your content noticed, but what makes this auction process different? You are effectively buying an ad. I know Gary V has purchased google adwords to promote some of his content, depending on his motive buying placement on YouTube might also make sense. If you have a crappy video, no amount of money will get people to watch it. Buying an ad can be the only option for a great video to escape obscurity. As for Brooks' comment re: ignoring ads, someone must click on them because they pay me quite nicely. This will be no different. Some people will ignore promoted videos, some people won't. Jake Ludington http://www.jakeludington.com On Nov 12, 2008 4:44 PM, @sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: good point. but there must be some value in featured spots. maybe they have some metrics to share. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My eyes automatically... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Jeffrey Taylor Mobile: +33625497654 Fax: +33177722734 Skype: thejeffreytaylor Googlechat/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
