[videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
The delay I was experiencing is due to being behind the camera in a small, echo-y room. If you monitor via the AV mode, you get a buzz from the video track. Thanks everybody! Topher Polack
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:06 am, Christopher Polack wrote: If you monitor via the AV mode, you get a buzz from the video track. Could that just be noisy/cheap pre-amps? -- Brian Richardson - http://whatthecast.com - http://siliconchef.com - http://dragoncontv.com - http://www.3chip.com
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I use little Sony earbuds and I haven't experienced any delay. Maybe try messing around with the AT and wind cut options? Not sure. On Feb 5, 2008 1:10 PM, Christopher Polack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone experienced an audio delay while using headphones with the HV20? I've tried it both with and with out my AT Mic and I hear a delay. On the tape it's fine. Any thoughts? Topher Polack Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
I was hearing an ³echo² type thing last time. Freaked me out, but it wasn¹t on the tape. Luckily. On 2/5/08 1:22 PM, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use little Sony earbuds and I haven't experienced any delay. Maybe try messing around with the AT and wind cut options? Not sure. On Feb 5, 2008 1:10 PM, Christopher Polack [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:ottorabbit%40gmail.com wrote: Has anyone experienced an audio delay while using headphones with the HV20? I've tried it both with and with out my AT Mic and I hear a delay. On the tape it's fine. Any thoughts? Topher Polack Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Check your settings to see if there's an audio setting to listen off tape. If there *is such an option, that's very cool to know since that is a more 'pro' kinda thing - to hear what you've actually recorded as opposed to a signal that just goes straight through the camera electronics. That made me curious. Check page 30 of the manual - the headphone out does double duty as A/V out - and there's a menu setting to choose audio or A/V. I'm guessing that the A/V out setting gives you audio 'off tape', which would account for the delay. Jan On Feb 5, 2008 3:56 PM, Irene Duma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was hearing an ³echo² type thing last time. Freaked me out, but it wasn¹t on the tape. Luckily. On 2/5/08 1:22 PM, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use little Sony earbuds and I haven't experienced any delay. Maybe try messing around with the AT and wind cut options? Not sure. On Feb 5, 2008 1:10 PM, Christopher Polack [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:ottorabbit%40gmail.com wrote: Has anyone experienced an audio delay while using headphones with the HV20? I've tried it both with and with out my AT Mic and I hear a delay. On the tape it's fine. Any thoughts? Topher Polack Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://feeds.feedburner.com/diaryofafauxjournalist - RSS http://fauxpress.blogspot.com aim=janofsound air=862.571.5334 skype=janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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For the Solo Video Practitioner: Your statements here are why I advocate simply keeping the camera (a small camera) within 3 feet of the speaking subject for the solo practitioner who wants good sound. It takes a good long time to get good at recording good sound with lots of tools in the mix AND your dedicated ear, listening to what's going down on tape. If you ear is NOT dedicated, you're going to screw it up eventually - and the more gear you have between the voice and the medium the more chance of goofing it up. What I LOVE about this medium is that you CAN do quality work without all the bells whistles. I know what it is to work with all the bells whistles. To heck with that :) Another suggestion for the solo practitioner: Consider two recording devices. One for video and one for audio. Use the camera for excellent b-roll of the subject and environment. Record an audio-only interview where you can really focus on questions and answers and know to a great deal of certainty that you are getting good audio. Then cut the two together. Here's an example of that idea used to good effect: http://fauxpress.blogspot.com/2007/04/composer-andrew-shapiro-interview.html Jan On Jan 31, 2008 11:38 PM, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every HV20 seems to have a diffferent level of mechanical noise, but they are all a bit loud. The DM50 does not do well vs. the videomics according to those who have used both. The DM50 is a decidedly consumer product - both the Rode's are designed to bring pro level sound to high-Z consumer/prosumer equipment. Beachtek boxes and the like are great IF you already have a $500+ pro mic and a good mount for it. I have used them on multiple cameras. They do NOT improve the mic preamp you are stuck with in the camera (fortunately the HV20's hi-z preamp isn't nearly as bad as those on Sony's consumer cams). But the Rode videomics really change this equation, as they can deliver excellent sound and are DESIGNED for camtop use. I have a beachtek, phantom power supply, and $900 AT4073s that I use in a variety of applications, and I even HAVE a camtop shock mount that works with them, but I'm still going for the videomic (probably both models) for my HV20. I wish the videomics were smaller and less look at me in appearance, but the only better option there is the tinymic, and they are uber uber pricey (and that tiny diaphragm just makes me nervous. How can it be a shotgun mic when my first impulse is to convert it into a contact mic?) There are reports that the stereo videomic still picks up camera noise in very quiet environments, while the shotgun model is less prone to this. yeah, lavs solve a lot of problems. For straight talent on camera work a GOOD wireless lav setup is wise, but in general I don't like the sound of lavs. I prefer even imperfect open sound that has a sense of space to the sound of lavs, as long as intelligibibility isn't an issue. The best sound will always be from an overhead boom as close to the subject as possible, but that doesn't help the solo filmmaker. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://feeds.feedburner.com/diaryofafauxjournalist - RSS http://fauxpress.blogspot.com aim=janofsound air=862.571.5334 skype=janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
For the Solo Video Practitioner: Your statements here are why I advocate simply keeping the camera (a small camera) within 3 feet of the speaking subject for the solo practitioner who wants good sound. I would disagree with this for the HV20 - get an external microphone and you will get better sound. Get a microphone that works well within 3 feet of you or less, put it on a stand outside the range of your shot, do some testing then forget about it. The videos will sound better. If you have the option to record straight to your hard drive and skip the tape, even better. Jake Ludington http://www.jakeludington.com
[videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
Check this out. http://www.vimeo.com/463187 It does however pick up the camera noise from the HV20... God bless hard drive based camcorders :) cheers --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For all you HV20 owners out there, I have a problem (and I know Kent Bye has the same issue) Camera Noise!! Check out all the camera noise in this video I made with the camera: http://vimeo.com/475731 Lots of high-pitched noise obviously this is because the internal mic is so close to the tape mechanism. And obviously, when the room is quiet the auto-gain ettenuator makes that noise even louder. I have used lapel mics to get rid of the noise and that works great, but I want a solution for when I am just filming other people and things. I thought about getting a shotgun mic but I am not sure if it would help as much as I want it to. so I am asking these questions: - does your HV20 camera make this much noise? - what do you do to stop the camera noise? - what kind of shotgun works well with the camera? -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.ultrakawaii.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
That Rode mic looks pretty sweet. Not least because it has 1/8 mini jack, bypassing the need for a converter like the BeachTek. Good to get endorsements from many people. What sort of battery life does it get? adam
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it looks nice, but compared to the camera I would attach it to, it doesn't look very compact: http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5379014 the canon does look a little smaller: http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/alphaelectronics/P9020057.jpg On Feb 1, 2008 4:38 PM, influxxmedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That Rode mic looks pretty sweet. Not least because it has 1/8 mini jack, bypassing the need for a converter like the BeachTek. Good to get endorsements from many people. What sort of battery life does it get? adam -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.ultrakawaii.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Josh it looks like that canon mic doesn't have a shock mount. The Rode mic does. Also you put it on a boom pole and run an extension to the camera if you want. - Verdi On Feb 1, 2008 3:42 PM, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it looks nice, but compared to the camera I would attach it to, it doesn't look very compact: http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5379014 the canon does look a little smaller: http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/alphaelectronics/P9020057.jpg On Feb 1, 2008 4:38 PM, influxxmedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That Rode mic looks pretty sweet. Not least because it has 1/8 mini jack, bypassing the need for a converter like the BeachTek. Good to get endorsements from many people. What sort of battery life does it get? adam -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.ultrakawaii.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://michaelverdi.com http://freevlog.org http://nscape.tv
[videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
Just came across this on DVCreators.net Looks remarkably similar to the Rode many people were raving about. http://www.dvcreators.net/the-sennheiser-mke-400-shotgun-mic/ --To give you an idea of the size, it's physical length and width is that of your pinky finger. Yes, that's one amazingly short shotgun microphone. It's surprisingly directional for such a small mic. The design team at Sennheiser was able to innovate while answering the market's request for an even smaller on-camera mic. They maintained the same high quality sound since they built the very first shotgun mic, yes, Sennheiser invented the interference tube design that all of today's shotgun mics are based on. This mic is a great upgrade to a stock mic because it improves sound, yet is so unobtrusive. Attached to a mid sized camera, I can easily maneuver through a crowd without attracting too much attention. That's great when you need to be stealth. Yet you're still getting that high quality sound that Sennheiser is famous for- and that sound is from the direction that you're shooting - great for events, Steadicam, ENG, behind the scenes and documentary style work.The accessory pack is a must! It adds both the wind stopping long haired wind muff and an XLR adapter. This is a must have upgrade to any small camera's stock mic. -- adam
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You can also buy shoe shock mounts a la carte for around $30: http://urltea.com/2mj0 I have the HV20 with one of those shock mounts and this Azden mic: http://urltea.com/2mj1 It's a nice little set up for under $100. The mic picks up only what you point it at. I've found it's necessary to use the external mic at all times. I've only shot a few things without it, and you can hear the camera mechanism pretty obviously, like in the first 5 seconds of this video: http://www.vimeo.com/435808 Other than this minor flaw, the HV20 is the best little camera I've ever had. On Feb 1, 2008 5:24 PM, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh it looks like that canon mic doesn't have a shock mount. The Rode mic does. Also you put it on a boom pole and run an extension to the camera if you want. - Verdi On Feb 1, 2008 3:42 PM, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it looks nice, but compared to the camera I would attach it to, it doesn't look very compact: http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5379014 the canon does look a little smaller: http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/alphaelectronics/P9020057.jpg On Feb 1, 2008 4:38 PM, influxxmedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That Rode mic looks pretty sweet. Not least because it has 1/8 mini jack, bypassing the need for a converter like the BeachTek. Good to get endorsements from many people. What sort of battery life does it get? adam -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.ultrakawaii.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://michaelverdi.com http://freevlog.org http://nscape.tv Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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While we're on the HV20 topic, has anyone noticed any difference in quality when shooting with HD Mini DV tapes VS regular Mini DV tapes? On Feb 1, 2008 7:51 PM, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can also buy shoe shock mounts a la carte for around $30: http://urltea.com/2mj0 I have the HV20 with one of those shock mounts and this Azden mic: http://urltea.com/2mj1 It's a nice little set up for under $100. The mic picks up only what you point it at. I've found it's necessary to use the external mic at all times. I've only shot a few things without it, and you can hear the camera mechanism pretty obviously, like in the first 5 seconds of this video: http://www.vimeo.com/435808 Other than this minor flaw, the HV20 is the best little camera I've ever had. On Feb 1, 2008 5:24 PM, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh it looks like that canon mic doesn't have a shock mount. The Rode mic does. Also you put it on a boom pole and run an extension to the camera if you want. - Verdi On Feb 1, 2008 3:42 PM, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it looks nice, but compared to the camera I would attach it to, it doesn't look very compact: http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5379014 the canon does look a little smaller: http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/alphaelectronics/P9020057.jpg On Feb 1, 2008 4:38 PM, influxxmedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That Rode mic looks pretty sweet. Not least because it has 1/8 mini jack, bypassing the need for a converter like the BeachTek. Good to get endorsements from many people. What sort of battery life does it get? adam -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.ultrakawaii.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://michaelverdi.com http://freevlog.org http://nscape.tv Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Regular mini dv seems a little more dropout-prone. Brook On 2/1/08, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While we're on the HV20 topic, has anyone noticed any difference in quality when shooting with HD Mini DV tapes VS regular Mini DV tapes? On Feb 1, 2008 7:51 PM, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can also buy shoe shock mounts a la carte for around $30: http://urltea.com/2mj0 I have the HV20 with one of those shock mounts and this Azden mic: http://urltea.com/2mj1 It's a nice little set up for under $100. The mic picks up only what you point it at. I've found it's necessary to use the external mic at all times. I've only shot a few things without it, and you can hear the camera mechanism pretty obviously, like in the first 5 seconds of this video: http://www.vimeo.com/435808 Other than this minor flaw, the HV20 is the best little camera I've ever had. On Feb 1, 2008 5:24 PM, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh it looks like that canon mic doesn't have a shock mount. The Rode mic does. Also you put it on a boom pole and run an extension to the camera if you want. - Verdi On Feb 1, 2008 3:42 PM, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it looks nice, but compared to the camera I would attach it to, it doesn't look very compact: http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5379014 the canon does look a little smaller: http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/alphaelectronics/P9020057.jpg On Feb 1, 2008 4:38 PM, influxxmedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That Rode mic looks pretty sweet. Not least because it has 1/8 mini jack, bypassing the need for a converter like the BeachTek. Good to get endorsements from many people. What sort of battery life does it get? adam -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.ultrakawaii.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://michaelverdi.com http://freevlog.org http://nscape.tv Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
What are you capturing with? Have you tried HDVSplit? http://strony.aster.pl/paviko/ That's what I use to capture 24p stuff. Premiere seems to work fine for regular 1080i footage with no dropped frames (yet). I haven't had any dropout problems with either tape format though. And I haven't seen any other noticeable differences in quality, so I'm thinking I'll just stick with regular DV and save myself a few bucks a tape. On Feb 1, 2008 9:59 PM, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regular mini dv seems a little more dropout-prone. Brook On 2/1/08, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While we're on the HV20 topic, has anyone noticed any difference in quality when shooting with HD Mini DV tapes VS regular Mini DV tapes? On Feb 1, 2008 7:51 PM, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can also buy shoe shock mounts a la carte for around $30: http://urltea.com/2mj0 I have the HV20 with one of those shock mounts and this Azden mic: http://urltea.com/2mj1 It's a nice little set up for under $100. The mic picks up only what you point it at. I've found it's necessary to use the external mic at all times. I've only shot a few things without it, and you can hear the camera mechanism pretty obviously, like in the first 5 seconds of this video: http://www.vimeo.com/435808 Other than this minor flaw, the HV20 is the best little camera I've ever had. On Feb 1, 2008 5:24 PM, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh it looks like that canon mic doesn't have a shock mount. The Rode mic does. Also you put it on a boom pole and run an extension to the camera if you want. - Verdi On Feb 1, 2008 3:42 PM, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it looks nice, but compared to the camera I would attach it to, it doesn't look very compact: http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5379014 the canon does look a little smaller: http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/alphaelectronics/P9020057.jpg On Feb 1, 2008 4:38 PM, influxxmedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That Rode mic looks pretty sweet. Not least because it has 1/8 mini jack, bypassing the need for a converter like the BeachTek. Good to get endorsements from many people. What sort of battery life does it get? adam -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.ultrakawaii.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://michaelverdi.com http://freevlog.org http://nscape.tv Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
Hey Josh...not sure how much help I can be with this as I dont have an HV20. That sure is a really bad whine noise you have going there. Do all HV20's make that same noise when using the onboard mic? That's nasty! I've been pretty lucky that my onboard mic on my cam is actually quite good. Granted, I rarely, if ever, use it. I am always using my Rode Videomic with my camera. If I am not using my Rode, I dont really use the audio that my cam captured. The Rode is a great mic however, it's big. When people see me with my cam, it's the first thing they notice. It can be a little intimidating having this big mic on the cam I guess? No matter to me though. The sound I get from it is fantastic. I use it mounted on top of the cam and also use it mounted to the side on a bracket that I attach to my cam. It never fails to give me nice audio. If a Rode is something you are interested in, and the HV20 has a mic port (I cant imagine it wouldnt) then I would recommend it. It's not that expensive. If I remember correctly, it's around $115? Hope that helps. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For all you HV20 owners out there, I have a problem (and I know Kent Bye has the same issue) Camera Noise!! Check out all the camera noise in this video I made with the camera: http://vimeo.com/475731 Lots of high-pitched noise obviously this is because the internal mic is so close to the tape mechanism. And obviously, when the room is quiet the auto-gain ettenuator makes that noise even louder. I have used lapel mics to get rid of the noise and that works great, but I want a solution for when I am just filming other people and things. I thought about getting a shotgun mic but I am not sure if it would help as much as I want it to. so I am asking these questions: - does your HV20 camera make this much noise? - what do you do to stop the camera noise? - what kind of shotgun works well with the camera? -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.ultrakawaii.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
Josh, that's a hell of a whine. I suspect that's not right. I'd definitely consider a service. Doesn't sound good. Haven't experienced anything of the sort on mine. I've been using the same mic as Michael Verdi [ http://rurl.org/h65 ], with good results. And it takes a dead cat wind muff, too. I'm sure you could even strap an actual dead cat to it and things would be dandy. But I haven't tried that yet...but it's only a matter of time. : ) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it has that advanced hotshoe so I was thinking about getting that Canon DM-50 microphone that works with that... On Jan 31, 2008 2:52 PM, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 31, 2008 1:27 PM, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED]joshleo%40gmail.com wrote: - does your HV20 camera make this much noise? Wow. Mine does not make that much noise. - what do you do to stop the camera noise? - what kind of shotgun works well with the camera? I've been using the Rhode Video Mic - been pretty happy with it. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/363083-REG/Rode_VIDEOMIC_VideoMic_Camera_Mounted.html - Verdi -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.ultrakawaii.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
My hv20 doesn¹t make that much noise either. I have the Rode video mic too but find that it does pick up some camera noise still. I read online about getting an L bracket that will lift it up a bit higher from the body of the camera...anyone know of such a bracket? I once shot indoors with a dying flourescent bulb that made a horrendous noise something like that when the mic picked it up. I was able to get rid of most of it with this FCP plug-in - Mr. Hum by Wave arts. http://www.wavearts.com/MasterRestoration.html Sadly my 30 day free trial expired so am waiting for my next paid gig to buy the software because it was pretty cool. I went with the Rode mic vs the Canon when a post in a forum revealed that with the Rode, you can use it on other cameras that you may have as well, whereas the Canon will only work with the hotshoe mount. And since mics last longer than cameras, you¹ll be able to use the Rode on other subsequent cameras you buy. Thought that was a good selling point. Irene Irene Duma Strange Duck Media ...a good egg [EMAIL PROTECTED] T 416-769-1879 C 416-535-0652 web design and creative marketing blogging easy computer tips http://www.strangeduck.com/blog and comedy at http://www.bittertonic.com On 1/31/08 5:00 PM, schlomo rabinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I've only played with the camera once, and that noise doesnt sound right. I'd use that warranty and send it in just in case. Couldn't hurt! On Jan 31, 2008 1:46 PM, Robert Croma [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:robert.croma%40gmail.com wrote: Josh, that's a hell of a whine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
Just from an audio-geek perspective, if you can figure out the pitch of the hum it should be fairly easy to attenuate it using a notch-filter or parametric EQ in FCP. I used to do this all the time with sixty-cycle hum from old analog equipment. JW On Jan 31, 2008 2:16 PM, Irene Duma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My hv20 doesn¹t make that much noise either. I have the Rode video mic too but find that it does pick up some camera noise still. I read online about getting an L bracket that will lift it up a bit higher from the body of the camera...anyone know of such a bracket? I once shot indoors with a dying flourescent bulb that made a horrendous noise something like that when the mic picked it up. I was able to get rid of most of it with this FCP plug-in - Mr. Hum by Wave arts. http://www.wavearts.com/MasterRestoration.html Sadly my 30 day free trial expired so am waiting for my next paid gig to buy the software because it was pretty cool. I went with the Rode mic vs the Canon when a post in a forum revealed that with the Rode, you can use it on other cameras that you may have as well, whereas the Canon will only work with the hotshoe mount. And since mics last longer than cameras, you¹ll be able to use the Rode on other subsequent cameras you buy. Thought that was a good selling point. Irene Irene Duma Strange Duck Media ...a good egg [EMAIL PROTECTED] irene%40strangeduck.com T 416-769-1879 C 416-535-0652 web design and creative marketing blogging easy computer tips http://www.strangeduck.com/blog and comedy at http://www.bittertonic.com On 1/31/08 5:00 PM, schlomo rabinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]schlomo%40gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I've only played with the camera once, and that noise doesnt sound right. I'd use that warranty and send it in just in case. Couldn't hurt! On Jan 31, 2008 1:46 PM, Robert Croma [EMAIL PROTECTED]robert.croma%40gmail.com mailto:robert.croma%40gmail.com wrote: Josh, that's a hell of a whine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
Yeah, I've only played with the camera once, and that noise doesnt sound right. I'd use that warranty and send it in just in case. Couldn't hurt! On Jan 31, 2008 1:46 PM, Robert Croma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh, that's a hell of a whine. -- Schlomo Rabinowitz http://schlomolog.blogspot.com http://hatfactory.net AIM:schlomochat [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
Not used the HV20 per se, but used many miniDV palmcorder types back in school days. What you are describing does sound like tape whir/whine. This is the problem with smaller consumer-type cameras, even really good ones like the HV20. So compact the mic is right there next to the tape drive... First, if you have the ability in your menu system you can turn off auto gain. This will only make your audio pulse and pump as levels change. Sounds awful. Second, if you can afford it get something like a BeachTek box. This device screws into the bottom of the camera on the tripod mount, it has an 1/8 inch jack to plug into the mic in on consumer cameras, and has 2 XLR inputs with the appropriate controls. About $100 US and work very well. Used with an affordable shotgun mic like an Azden it will significantly improve your audio. Poor audio is the one really easy thing that separates good movies from crap ones (speaking as someone who has made a fair few crappy audio crap movies). Of course you could also go to the trouble of getting (wireless) lav system. But not having used one I cant say. Not sure if they have XLR or 1/8 connections. So yes, an eternal mic highly recommended. adam
[videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
I just bought this Audio-technica ATR-55 shotgun mic for $50 bucks off of eBay. Topher Polack http://www.thediversion.com http://www.christopherpolack.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
The hum being something horrible happening in the camera, camera hum generally is a function of 'proximity effect'. The mic is next to the machine. The mic will pick up that which is closest, best. Proximity. That's why lavs work well - they can get closest to the bodies' resonators for those wide shots and walk and talks. Sometimes an inch one way or another makes all the difference in the world. Mic placement is everything. If the mic ain't in the right place, you got nuthin'. What ever tool (mic / mixer / camera) know its limits - find its limits in experiments - and respect them. You'll make great sound. Jan -- The Faux Press - better than real http://feeds.feedburner.com/diaryofafauxjournalist - RSS http://fauxpress.blogspot.com aim=janofsound air=862.571.5334 skype=janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
Every HV20 seems to have a diffferent level of mechanical noise, but they are all a bit loud. The DM50 does not do well vs. the videomics according to those who have used both. The DM50 is a decidedly consumer product - both the Rode's are designed to bring pro level sound to high-Z consumer/prosumer equipment. Beachtek boxes and the like are great IF you already have a $500+ pro mic and a good mount for it. I have used them on multiple cameras. They do NOT improve the mic preamp you are stuck with in the camera (fortunately the HV20's hi-z preamp isn't nearly as bad as those on Sony's consumer cams). But the Rode videomics really change this equation, as they can deliver excellent sound and are DESIGNED for camtop use. I have a beachtek, phantom power supply, and $900 AT4073s that I use in a variety of applications, and I even HAVE a camtop shock mount that works with them, but I'm still going for the videomic (probably both models) for my HV20. I wish the videomics were smaller and less look at me in appearance, but the only better option there is the tinymic, and they are uber uber pricey (and that tiny diaphragm just makes me nervous. How can it be a shotgun mic when my first impulse is to convert it into a contact mic?) There are reports that the stereo videomic still picks up camera noise in very quiet environments, while the shotgun model is less prone to this. yeah, lavs solve a lot of problems. For straight talent on camera work a GOOD wireless lav setup is wise, but in general I don't like the sound of lavs. I prefer even imperfect open sound that has a sense of space to the sound of lavs, as long as intelligibibility isn't an issue. The best sound will always be from an overhead boom as close to the subject as possible, but that doesn't help the solo filmmaker. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab
[videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
Hey, Josh. I bought my HV20 in December and have edited and posted only 3 videos so far, like this one: http://www.realpeoplenetwork.com/2008/01/charlie-firesto.html To tell you the truth, I haven't heard any camera noise, but the few videos I've shot have all been in noisy environments. One reason I bought the HV20 was because of reviews that talked about the good sound quality from the built-in mike. So, thanks for the heads up, I'll keep an eye on it. Need to buy a lapel mic anyway ... jd lasica www.realpeoplenetwork.com
