Re: [videoblogging] Re: Lies, Damned Lies And Statistics
The thought occurs to me that is amazing is you start adding up this long tail of pag views... all of you combined and it starts adding up pretty quick. I'm very pleased with the way blip is going and it certainly seems to be attracting a lot of big groups that are aimed at making shows or episodic and entertainment content and helping those groups monetize their work. Something youtube has failed at... and youtube has also failed at letting people control their brand. Anyway, the vlogosphere has two sides and the key is that it grows up as not only an entertainment industry... but also as a communications industry. The communications industry model is much tougher. Entertainment monetization is all about advertising. Maybe a la carte media sale like Cruxy.org too. But the communications industry favors freemium services... pro-level services like flickr PRO... OR as google has demonstrated time and again, most recently with making Feedburner Pro-level free... supporting those services with advertising, tracking and other high level means that only become available when they're massed in large quanities which is to say when markets meet a critical mass. Anyway, I hope as these numbers start to quickly add up wether there's you intend vlogging like you share photos... or wether you intend to aim at a mass market that blip.tv and others (like mefeedia) will find new metrics... favoriting, thumbs up, subscriptions, comments, etc., etc. to accurately represent no matter what is important to you. -Mike On 7/5/07, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I first started posting videos, I was completely obsessed with my stats. Now, not so much. One stat that still is cool to me is where people come from that find my site. I think I lost interest in all the stats thing when I realized that I wasnt going to make a living from this. Which is ok. It's a fun hobby and I enjoy doing it. My video views are few. That's fine. I get wonderful comments on my work. That's awesome. Comments are my crack. I had one donation since I added a donation button. I damn near cried and died all at the same time. Looking at Blip, I average about 600 views on my videos. My highest viewed video is If A Tree Falls with 1557 views. Like I said. Small views. Which, in the long run, doesnt mean much. It's the comments that I get from my vlogging friends and complete unknowns. Thems my words and I'm stickin to them :) David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for sharing this :) Do you know where people find you, mostly? Do you spend a lot of time fielding feedback? On 5 Jul 2007, at 22:01, Chumley wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: I'm on a roll, today. Sure, I'll chime in with some stats. It always urked me that people are so secretive about their downloads, It's not a competition though, as long as you enjoy what your doing it shouldn't really matter what your stats are. The Cult of UHF has been going since Nov. 05 and I have 35 episodes out (only put out about 2 a month) According to Blip my last two episodes are each about 10,200 downloads. Over my 35 episodes I usually get (on non-new episode release days, release days spike of course) about 700-800 downloads a day. Counting in my old host Libsyn with blip my total downloads are around 310,000. Feedburner says I have around 1,800 subscribers (but who knows what those stats actually mean.) Rev. Chumley I'd like to suggest that more of us should try to be open about how many views we get. I mean, not *all* of us, obviously. There are those of us who won't want to say for commercial or other reasons. But I keep hearing people worrying about how few views they're getting. And I'm sure that part of their worry is that other people are getting far more. And I'm not sure that that's true. I'd bet any money that 99% of the people on this list get two figure views for all their videos combined per day. And I'd bet the majority get single figure views per day. This is important in the discussion of monetizing videoblogging, too, perhaps. I think Youtube has distorted expectations - by its nature, it attracts clusters of people to feast on certain featured popular videos in a way that's quite different to what a lot of us are doing. And as Mark Day said last week, even on Youtube the really big view numbers are rare. Personally, I don't think that getting just a few people per day or per week is bad at all. Your films are still being seen by more people than they would if you were taking them to a local film night, or showing them in a local gallery, which was the only forum for them before the web. And you're actually connecting with the people who are watching them, in a way that
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Lies, Damned Lies And Statistics
We've had our Blip show, the Art of K9Disc, for exactly 19 months. 86 episodes 46,488 views 73 comments 6 episodes over 1000 views Our most viewed video has 1,441 views. Over at Daily Motion (Have not been there in Months): 5 Episodes 4,504 views 4 Comments On You Tube where we've dropped a few episodes over the last 11 months: 11 epidosdes 8,873 total views 4, 267 is our most viewed video (same vid...different place) 1 episode over 1000 views. Over at youtube, some of our older videos have been posted by other people, and the most viewed is the same video with, last time I checked, over 14,000 views. We have a few more old skool vids show up that had up to a couple thousand views. I've been posting video online for about 10 years now, starting in 1997 with K9Athlete.com. It was supposed to be a video site and training resource (the best way to learn how to jam with your dog is to watch good people doing it). Back then, a T1 line in Dallas was only about $800. I was doing a lot of flash development, just learning, really, actionscripting, friction, animation and stuff, and I was going to make it happen. A Discdog training resource with video. Then we moved, lost hi-speed internet for a year, killing my creativity and bandwidth exploded in terms of cost. I was out of the video production thing quick. I shifted focus to setting up a community, and found blip in December 2005. With the ease of posting and distributing video, Blip got the fire going again This is what our community looks like now: http://k9disc.com It's really cool. Joomla, SMF Forum, Blip Widgets, But, back to the Youtube reposts and some lying stats... I was actually quite happy to find the videos posted up on You Tube. Sure I wish I had gotten the credit, and the ability to push traffic to our site, but lots of people were taught something, or forced to smile and feel good for a few, and besides they were old vids, and I had not posted them, as they were lost and not that important to post. I think we're doing better on blip because of the distribution blip affords us, and the fact that we have a community that relies on blip. There are lots of discdoggers posting there and pushing their vids out to people that visit k9disc.com. It's really nice. Thanks to all that shared some of their stats and such. It was good to go back and take a look at our stats. It's not really been that important to me of late. Cheers, Ron Watson http://k9disc.blip.tv http://k9disc.com http://pawsitivevybe.com/vlog http://pawsitivevybe.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Lies, Damned Lies And Statistics
Views on a video is just like pageviews - pretty static stat. I would think some more telling stats would be: 1) Subscribers to our vlog 2) %/# of Return viewers (how many people have watched more than 1 of your videos). Does Feedburner help to track these statistics? -Frank Frank Sinton CEO, Mefeedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mefeedia.com/user/franks/ - my mefeedia page Our blog: http://mefeedia.com/blog --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stat tracking for media is a bitch. Content can be linked in and pulled around by so many aggregators, rss-forwarders, etc. that one single piece of media can appear in 10 different places quite easily. I have no solid suggestions yet :) but this is a conversation dear to my heartand all my pulled out hair. -- -Devlon http://devlonduthie.com | http://mefeedia.com | http://node- 64.com/blog MSN: du.th.ied AIM: devlond -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rupert Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 7:06 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Lies, Damned Lies And Statistics I'm on a roll, today. I'd like to suggest that more of us should try to be open about how many views we get. I mean, not *all* of us, obviously. There are those of us who won't want to say for commercial or other reasons. But I keep hearing people worrying about how few views they're getting. And I'm sure that part of their worry is that other people are getting far more. And I'm not sure that that's true. I'd bet any money that 99% of the people on this list get two figure views for all their videos combined per day. And I'd bet the majority get single figure views per day. This is important in the discussion of monetizing videoblogging, too, perhaps. I think Youtube has distorted expectations - by its nature, it attracts clusters of people to feast on certain featured popular videos in a way that's quite different to what a lot of us are doing. And as Mark Day said last week, even on Youtube the really big view numbers are rare. Personally, I don't think that getting just a few people per day or per week is bad at all. Your films are still being seen by more people than they would if you were taking them to a local film night, or showing them in a local gallery, which was the only forum for them before the web. And you're actually connecting with the people who are watching them, in a way that wouldn't happen otherwise. And probably in a more profound way than you would if you had 1000 people all wanting to talk to you. You don't have to join in this game - it's not Truth or Dare! - but to get the ball rolling, here are my own stats. They're a bit weird compared to most, probably, because I only started Twittervlog 3 months ago, I've made 89 videos in that time and I pimp it all the time on Twitter - that must be where I get most of my views. I feel it's been successful on a personal level - I've met all sorts of great people and it's been a lot of fun. But featured status on Youtube - or even on Blip - it ain't. I have posted 89 films. With 14,000 views in total. That's an average of 150 per film. I figure - what? - half of those have actually watched the video to the end? 25 videos ( a third of them) have less than 100 views in total another 57 videos (almost two thirds) have between 100 and 250 and only 7 have more than 250 - all of these have been featured somewhere, like The End of Pixelodeon, or the Vlog Deathmatch video. The Vlog Deathmatch video is the most popular, and has topped out at 765 views. Which is a fraction of what Irina and The Burg's total votes were, I'm sure! At the end of the Deathmatch, I think it'd had 350 or so views. The only Youtube context I can give to this is the Flashmob video, which has had 13,000 views on Youtube, and 746 on my site. Oh, and I now have around 50 or so subscribers (Feedburner number). I don't know - maybe I'm wrong and you're all getting thousands and thousands of views for every film you make... but my heart tells me that's not so... and if it isn't, do we average non-commercial videobloggers need to readjust our expectations? Is getting 100 views on a video after it's been out there for a few months really so bad? Imagine those 100 people in your local bar or in your house! That's quite a lot of people. And then add all your videos together. You've made 50? And they average 100 views in the end? That's 5000 in total! And 5000 was a big number for Jesus... :) I remember a time when we complained about people's Feedcounters, and the pressure of popularity that comes with people talking about statistics. I hate that. But on the other hand, it's
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Lies, Damned Lies And Statistics
don't forget hugs i've gotten some great hugs cause of my site :) schlomo hugs count X2 difficult stat to track and compare anyone got a hug counter widget? On Jul 5, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Frank Sinton wrote: Views on a video is just like pageviews - pretty static stat. I would think some more telling stats would be: 1) Subscribers to our vlog 2) %/# of Return viewers (how many people have watched more than 1 of your videos). Does Feedburner help to track these statistics? -- http://tools.ourmedia.org/blog http://SpinXpress.com/Markus_Sandy http://Ourmedia.org/Markus_Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Lies, Damned Lies And Statistics
Rupert - I am guessing by view you mean they number of views or downloads from blip, ie the number of times a video has been clicked on and viewed, not just a page view. Correct? If that is the case most of my views are in the hundreds, don't have time at this moment to do a detailed comparission, but mostly in the hundreds, I have a couple that have went over the 1,000 mark, maybe a few but I have been doing this for about a year and a half now, actually just a bit over I guess the only time I really struggle with my views anymore is when I feel I do a really good video, like my last one, My Summer Vacation and it doesn't seem to do a well as ones I think are just so-so, I usually always get the biggest views on the first couple of days of posting a video as well. I don't know part of me would like to do this stuff for a living but then as others have said, if it becomes my job, will it still be fun. I just want to create and share, meet new people, make new friends, spread my wings and learn to fly, grow as a person, understand more today then I did yesterday, teach, empower, inspire and be inspired, not much to ask right? Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm on a roll, today. I'd like to suggest that more of us should try to be open about how many views we get. I mean, not *all* of us, obviously. There are those of us who won't want to say for commercial or other reasons. But I keep hearing people worrying about how few views they're getting. And I'm sure that part of their worry is that other people are getting far more. And I'm not sure that that's true. I'd bet any money that 99% of the people on this list get two figure views for all their videos combined per day. And I'd bet the majority get single figure views per day. This is important in the discussion of monetizing videoblogging, too, perhaps. I think Youtube has distorted expectations - by its nature, it attracts clusters of people to feast on certain featured popular videos in a way that's quite different to what a lot of us are doing. And as Mark Day said last week, even on Youtube the really big view numbers are rare. Personally, I don't think that getting just a few people per day or per week is bad at all. Your films are still being seen by more people than they would if you were taking them to a local film night, or showing them in a local gallery, which was the only forum for them before the web. And you're actually connecting with the people who are watching them, in a way that wouldn't happen otherwise. And probably in a more profound way than you would if you had 1000 people all wanting to talk to you. You don't have to join in this game - it's not Truth or Dare! - but to get the ball rolling, here are my own stats. They're a bit weird compared to most, probably, because I only started Twittervlog 3 months ago, I've made 89 videos in that time and I pimp it all the time on Twitter - that must be where I get most of my views. I feel it's been successful on a personal level - I've met all sorts of great people and it's been a lot of fun. But featured status on Youtube - or even on Blip - it ain't. I have posted 89 films. With 14,000 views in total. That's an average of 150 per film. I figure - what? - half of those have actually watched the video to the end? 25 videos ( a third of them) have less than 100 views in total another 57 videos (almost two thirds) have between 100 and 250 and only 7 have more than 250 - all of these have been featured somewhere, like The End of Pixelodeon, or the Vlog Deathmatch video. The Vlog Deathmatch video is the most popular, and has topped out at 765 views. Which is a fraction of what Irina and The Burg's total votes were, I'm sure! At the end of the Deathmatch, I think it'd had 350 or so views. The only Youtube context I can give to this is the Flashmob video, which has had 13,000 views on Youtube, and 746 on my site. Oh, and I now have around 50 or so subscribers (Feedburner number). I don't know - maybe I'm wrong and you're all getting thousands and thousands of views for every film you make... but my heart tells me that's not so... and if it isn't, do we average non-commercial videobloggers need to readjust our expectations? Is getting 100 views on a video after it's been out there for a few months really so bad? Imagine those 100 people in your local bar or in your house! That's quite a lot of people. And then add all your videos together. You've made 50? And they average 100 views in the end? That's 5000 in total! And 5000 was a big number for Jesus... :) I remember a time when we complained about people's Feedcounters, and the pressure of popularity that comes with people talking
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Lies, Damned Lies And Statistics
i try to record all hugs on my phone camera, but I can't legally guarantee that i'll catch every one. i was only saying to trine last week that a much more revealing way of looking at what's happened with twittervlog over the last 3 months would be to look at the comments and interaction instead of views. make love not stats :D R On 5 Jul 2007, at 17:33, Markus Sandy wrote: don't forget hugs i've gotten some great hugs cause of my site :) schlomo hugs count X2 difficult stat to track and compare anyone got a hug counter widget? On Jul 5, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Frank Sinton wrote: Views on a video is just like pageviews - pretty static stat. I would think some more telling stats would be: 1) Subscribers to our vlog 2) %/# of Return viewers (how many people have watched more than 1 of your videos). Does Feedburner help to track these statistics? -- http://tools.ourmedia.org/blog http://SpinXpress.com/Markus_Sandy http://Ourmedia.org/Markus_Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Lies, Damned Lies And Statistics
My blog gets very few views and I would lying if I didn't say that I wish had more visitors. But I've learned to take my success where I can. For example, I have about two people who leave a comment in a semi-regular basis and I didn't have that last year. It makes me happy that I have someone who I don't know that regular visits and reads (I only do video every once in a while that I why I say read)what I have to say!!! I think there is SO much content online and it is difficult to draw people to your stuff when others are demanding their attention. I have spent the last four months out of work and have spent that time blogging. Perhaps I could spend more time job searching. But I enjoy creating and writing so I don't regret a moment of it; even if no one is watching! Terry Ann Rendon www.terryannonline.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm on a roll, today. I'd like to suggest that more of us should try to be open about how many views we get. I mean, not *all* of us, obviously. There are those of us who won't want to say for commercial or other reasons. But I keep hearing people worrying about how few views they're getting. And I'm sure that part of their worry is that other people are getting far more. And I'm not sure that that's true. I'd bet any money that 99% of the people on this list get two figure views for all their videos combined per day. And I'd bet the majority get single figure views per day. This is important in the discussion of monetizing videoblogging, too, perhaps. I think Youtube has distorted expectations - by its nature, it attracts clusters of people to feast on certain featured popular videos in a way that's quite different to what a lot of us are doing. And as Mark Day said last week, even on Youtube the really big view numbers are rare. Personally, I don't think that getting just a few people per day or per week is bad at all. Your films are still being seen by more people than they would if you were taking them to a local film night, or showing them in a local gallery, which was the only forum for them before the web. And you're actually connecting with the people who are watching them, in a way that wouldn't happen otherwise. And probably in a more profound way than you would if you had 1000 people all wanting to talk to you. You don't have to join in this game - it's not Truth or Dare! - but to get the ball rolling, here are my own stats. They're a bit weird compared to most, probably, because I only started Twittervlog 3 months ago, I've made 89 videos in that time and I pimp it all the time on Twitter - that must be where I get most of my views. I feel it's been successful on a personal level - I've met all sorts of great people and it's been a lot of fun. But featured status on Youtube - or even on Blip - it ain't. I have posted 89 films. With 14,000 views in total. That's an average of 150 per film. I figure - what? - half of those have actually watched the video to the end? 25 videos ( a third of them) have less than 100 views in total another 57 videos (almost two thirds) have between 100 and 250 and only 7 have more than 250 - all of these have been featured somewhere, like The End of Pixelodeon, or the Vlog Deathmatch video. The Vlog Deathmatch video is the most popular, and has topped out at 765 views. Which is a fraction of what Irina and The Burg's total votes were, I'm sure! At the end of the Deathmatch, I think it'd had 350 or so views. The only Youtube context I can give to this is the Flashmob video, which has had 13,000 views on Youtube, and 746 on my site. Oh, and I now have around 50 or so subscribers (Feedburner number). I don't know - maybe I'm wrong and you're all getting thousands and thousands of views for every film you make... but my heart tells me that's not so... and if it isn't, do we average non-commercial videobloggers need to readjust our expectations? Is getting 100 views on a video after it's been out there for a few months really so bad? Imagine those 100 people in your local bar or in your house! That's quite a lot of people. And then add all your videos together. You've made 50? And they average 100 views in the end? That's 5000 in total! And 5000 was a big number for Jesus... :) I remember a time when we complained about people's Feedcounters, and the pressure of popularity that comes with people talking about statistics. I hate that. But on the other hand, it's terrible if everybody thinks that they can't say how many viewers they have because they'd be perceived as unpopular and unsuccessful. I'd be really interested on your thoughts about this. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ [Non-text portions of this message have been
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Lies, Damned Lies And Statistics
Yay! thanks Terry - in a beautiful synthesis of threads, I have just subscribed to you BY EMAIL, using rssfwd.com :) Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 5 Jul 2007, at 18:58, terry.rendon wrote: My blog gets very few views and I would lying if I didn't say that I wish had more visitors. But I've learned to take my success where I can. For example, I have about two people who leave a comment in a semi-regular basis and I didn't have that last year. It makes me happy that I have someone who I don't know that regular visits and reads (I only do video every once in a while that I why I say read)what I have to say!!! I think there is SO much content online and it is difficult to draw people to your stuff when others are demanding their attention. I have spent the last four months out of work and have spent that time blogging. Perhaps I could spend more time job searching. But I enjoy creating and writing so I don't regret a moment of it; even if no one is watching! Terry Ann Rendon www.terryannonline.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm on a roll, today. I'd like to suggest that more of us should try to be open about how many views we get. I mean, not *all* of us, obviously. There are those of us who won't want to say for commercial or other reasons. But I keep hearing people worrying about how few views they're getting. And I'm sure that part of their worry is that other people are getting far more. And I'm not sure that that's true. I'd bet any money that 99% of the people on this list get two figure views for all their videos combined per day. And I'd bet the majority get single figure views per day. This is important in the discussion of monetizing videoblogging, too, perhaps. I think Youtube has distorted expectations - by its nature, it attracts clusters of people to feast on certain featured popular videos in a way that's quite different to what a lot of us are doing. And as Mark Day said last week, even on Youtube the really big view numbers are rare. Personally, I don't think that getting just a few people per day or per week is bad at all. Your films are still being seen by more people than they would if you were taking them to a local film night, or showing them in a local gallery, which was the only forum for them before the web. And you're actually connecting with the people who are watching them, in a way that wouldn't happen otherwise. And probably in a more profound way than you would if you had 1000 people all wanting to talk to you. You don't have to join in this game - it's not Truth or Dare! - but to get the ball rolling, here are my own stats. They're a bit weird compared to most, probably, because I only started Twittervlog 3 months ago, I've made 89 videos in that time and I pimp it all the time on Twitter - that must be where I get most of my views. I feel it's been successful on a personal level - I've met all sorts of great people and it's been a lot of fun. But featured status on Youtube - or even on Blip - it ain't. I have posted 89 films. With 14,000 views in total. That's an average of 150 per film. I figure - what? - half of those have actually watched the video to the end? 25 videos ( a third of them) have less than 100 views in total another 57 videos (almost two thirds) have between 100 and 250 and only 7 have more than 250 - all of these have been featured somewhere, like The End of Pixelodeon, or the Vlog Deathmatch video. The Vlog Deathmatch video is the most popular, and has topped out at 765 views. Which is a fraction of what Irina and The Burg's total votes were, I'm sure! At the end of the Deathmatch, I think it'd had 350 or so views. The only Youtube context I can give to this is the Flashmob video, which has had 13,000 views on Youtube, and 746 on my site. Oh, and I now have around 50 or so subscribers (Feedburner number). I don't know - maybe I'm wrong and you're all getting thousands and thousands of views for every film you make... but my heart tells me that's not so... and if it isn't, do we average non-commercial videobloggers need to readjust our expectations? Is getting 100 views on a video after it's been out there for a few months really so bad? Imagine those 100 people in your local bar or in your house! That's quite a lot of people. And then add all your videos together. You've made 50? And they average 100 views in the end? That's 5000 in total! And 5000 was a big number for Jesus... :) I remember a time when we complained about people's Feedcounters, and the pressure of popularity that comes with people talking about statistics. I hate that. But on the other hand, it's terrible if everybody thinks that they can't say how many viewers they have because they'd be perceived as unpopular and unsuccessful.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Lies, Damned Lies And Statistics
I always have the overwhelming urge to hug Richard and his wife since he said he wanted to hug everyone at the end of vloggercon 2006, but I don't think I've ever given you a hug markus. Be forewarned next time I see you I'm going to walk up and give you a hug. I think meaningful intelligible comments by people I know are still the greatest indicator. Though I love it when people just say I like or favorite or say I wuz here too. The greatest benifits however are the overwhelming intangibles though. I think it was Bill Streeter who I heard use that term to describe why conferences are so important. These reasons so best as I can describe them have been termed social capital and I ramble about them way to often though not recently. I could spend a life time trying to quantify them... and many are, but all I can do here in a few words is try and explain the spirit of the idea. Social capital to me means having amazing conversations with people on topics I love and that interest me and them... that without blogging, videoblogging, and mailing lists I would not even know... let alone be able to share such common long tail interests. My theory being that all those things we hold most dear and valueable are in the long tail. Somepeople like the universality of talking about mainstream sports or music. Me... my favorite subjects to discuss over a beer are urban planning, new media theory, psychology, social capital and a whole lot more... and virtually NONE of them would ever come up in the course of conversation were it not for blogging, videoblogging, photo blogging, twitter, and mailing lists. Sometimes this is refered to as the rise of geek culture, the long tail, the deep end of the think pool... dave winer's new book everything is miscelanous sums it up well too. But i like to think of it this way... the message of the internet and all internet related media is the deccentralization of culture and there for an exponential growth of **capacity** for culture and all the things I love... dorky DIY robot stuff... pictures and video of family and friends being dorks... cat videos... you name it. Hoorah for it all! I'm sorry, but that's my best andwer and absolutely none of this has anything to do with making money, statistically trackable and quantifiable data, LisaNova, or making it big on youtube. What it all comes down to for me is forms of meaningful conversation. Digg's thumbs up... is the departing point. Tagging is the departing point. Rating on the 1-5 point is DEAD to me. And youtube's page views are primitive at best. I aim to quantify or make qualitative something far more profound as I'm sure do we all. The best indicators we have currently are... people who've dugg, tagged, bookmarked, commented on and above all revlogged, remixed, and shared our videos. The meme is the new god for now. And we've yet to understand how to quantify it. Peace, -Mike (rambling mike) mmeiser.com/blog mefeedia.com On 7/5/07, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: don't forget hugs i've gotten some great hugs cause of my site :) schlomo hugs count X2 difficult stat to track and compare anyone got a hug counter widget? On Jul 5, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Frank Sinton wrote: Views on a video is just like pageviews - pretty static stat. I would think some more telling stats would be: 1) Subscribers to our vlog 2) %/# of Return viewers (how many people have watched more than 1 of your videos). Does Feedburner help to track these statistics? -- http://tools.ourmedia.org/blog http://SpinXpress.com/Markus_Sandy http://Ourmedia.org/Markus_Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
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oh! Something I heard very interesting on a podcast the other day. A columnist from a traditional newspaper said his most controversial column, I believe it was something about reclaiming his subaru and other aspects of his life from gay culture and metrosexuals... LOL to the concept. Only got him 200 emails! This is a twice weekly columnist who's been around for years. This came up in the podcast because many audio podcasters are lamenting thei abysmal amount of comments they get on their podcast episodes. By comparison I think we vloggers do a WHOLE lot better than audio podcasters at getting feedback. One of the reasons is the video format has evolved to be generally very short form... and requires undivided attention... most vlogs ARE viewed online... most podcasts are passive and long format (30 minutes average and coming down quickly) and are a much more likely to be listened to while offline where the blog isn't accessible. I believe this to be at least partly to a fundamental misconception of audio podcasters that podcasting is more like radio then blogging. I believe this was perpetuated in the early days by and still now by Adam Curry among others who've picked up the cause. And I believe that the worst example of this is that iTunes far and away the most popular audio podcasting aggregator still doesn't have permalinks that allow easy and direct access to the original blog post for follow up. I think because video blogging has culturally and technically alligned itself much more directly to the blogging culture from hence it came then television or other traditional media that we have retained quite a large amount of the benifits in granularity, accessibility and interactivity that was learned from blogging. I think video blogging has for this reason, among other more specific things (youtube) really surpased audio podcasting when audio podcasting would have seemed to have more initial potential because of it's portability. I could go on about this portability vs. accessibility debate, but I've said enough for now. Make love not page views! In 2006 that videobloggers were like a hug fest hippy commune in coparison to audio podcasting events... We know that to be not true... but I'm glad to see we haven't completely become all about the money. Now shut up and show me the money! :P -Mike mmeiser.com/blog mefeedia.com On 7/5/07, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i try to record all hugs on my phone camera, but I can't legally guarantee that i'll catch every one. i was only saying to trine last week that a much more revealing way of looking at what's happened with twittervlog over the last 3 months would be to look at the comments and interaction instead of views. make love not stats :D R On 5 Jul 2007, at 17:33, Markus Sandy wrote: don't forget hugs i've gotten some great hugs cause of my site :) schlomo hugs count X2 difficult stat to track and compare anyone got a hug counter widget? On Jul 5, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Frank Sinton wrote: Views on a video is just like pageviews - pretty static stat. I would think some more telling stats would be: 1) Subscribers to our vlog 2) %/# of Return viewers (how many people have watched more than 1 of your videos). Does Feedburner help to track these statistics? -- http://tools.ourmedia.org/blog http://SpinXpress.com/Markus_Sandy http://Ourmedia.org/Markus_Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm on a roll, today. Sure, I'll chime in with some stats. It always urked me that people are so secretive about their downloads, It's not a competition though, as long as you enjoy what your doing it shouldn't really matter what your stats are. The Cult of UHF has been going since Nov. 05 and I have 35 episodes out (only put out about 2 a month) According to Blip my last two episodes are each about 10,200 downloads. Over my 35 episodes I usually get (on non-new episode release days, release days spike of course) about 700-800 downloads a day. Counting in my old host Libsyn with blip my total downloads are around 310,000. Feedburner says I have around 1,800 subscribers (but who knows what those stats actually mean.) Rev. Chumley I'd like to suggest that more of us should try to be open about how many views we get. I mean, not *all* of us, obviously. There are those of us who won't want to say for commercial or other reasons. But I keep hearing people worrying about how few views they're getting. And I'm sure that part of their worry is that other people are getting far more. And I'm not sure that that's true. I'd bet any money that 99% of the people on this list get two figure views for all their videos combined per day. And I'd bet the majority get single figure views per day. This is important in the discussion of monetizing videoblogging, too, perhaps. I think Youtube has distorted expectations - by its nature, it attracts clusters of people to feast on certain featured popular videos in a way that's quite different to what a lot of us are doing. And as Mark Day said last week, even on Youtube the really big view numbers are rare. Personally, I don't think that getting just a few people per day or per week is bad at all. Your films are still being seen by more people than they would if you were taking them to a local film night, or showing them in a local gallery, which was the only forum for them before the web. And you're actually connecting with the people who are watching them, in a way that wouldn't happen otherwise. And probably in a more profound way than you would if you had 1000 people all wanting to talk to you. You don't have to join in this game - it's not Truth or Dare! - but to get the ball rolling, here are my own stats. They're a bit weird compared to most, probably, because I only started Twittervlog 3 months ago, I've made 89 videos in that time and I pimp it all the time on Twitter - that must be where I get most of my views. I feel it's been successful on a personal level - I've met all sorts of great people and it's been a lot of fun. But featured status on Youtube - or even on Blip - it ain't. I have posted 89 films. With 14,000 views in total. That's an average of 150 per film. I figure - what? - half of those have actually watched the video to the end? 25 videos ( a third of them) have less than 100 views in total another 57 videos (almost two thirds) have between 100 and 250 and only 7 have more than 250 - all of these have been featured somewhere, like The End of Pixelodeon, or the Vlog Deathmatch video. The Vlog Deathmatch video is the most popular, and has topped out at 765 views. Which is a fraction of what Irina and The Burg's total votes were, I'm sure! At the end of the Deathmatch, I think it'd had 350 or so views. The only Youtube context I can give to this is the Flashmob video, which has had 13,000 views on Youtube, and 746 on my site. Oh, and I now have around 50 or so subscribers (Feedburner number). I don't know - maybe I'm wrong and you're all getting thousands and thousands of views for every film you make... but my heart tells me that's not so... and if it isn't, do we average non-commercial videobloggers need to readjust our expectations? Is getting 100 views on a video after it's been out there for a few months really so bad? Imagine those 100 people in your local bar or in your house! That's quite a lot of people. And then add all your videos together. You've made 50? And they average 100 views in the end? That's 5000 in total! And 5000 was a big number for Jesus... :) I remember a time when we complained about people's Feedcounters, and the pressure of popularity that comes with people talking about statistics. I hate that. But on the other hand, it's terrible if everybody thinks that they can't say how many viewers they have because they'd be perceived as unpopular and unsuccessful. I'd be really interested on your thoughts about this. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm on a roll, today. I'd like to suggest that more of us should try to be open about how many views we get. I mean, not *all* of us, obviously. There are those of us who won't want to say for commercial or other reasons. But I keep hearing people worrying about how few views they're getting. And I'm sure that part of their worry is that other people are getting far more. And I'm not sure that that's true. I'd bet any money that 99% of the people on this list get two figure views for all their videos combined per day. And I'd bet the majority get single figure views per day. This is important in the discussion of monetizing videoblogging, too, perhaps. Yes. I think you're right. Lack of the ability to prove viewership numbers is half of the problem with monetizing videoblogs. First of all, you can't tell how many people have seen the videos. The statistics tracking is inaccurate and some groups count how many times your video was played all the way through as opposed to how many times it was STARTED. If your video gets started 17 times and is never watched through to the post-roll ad (for instance), that's not going to be good for advertisers. If the same person watches your video 17 times, that advertiser's reached one person 17 times. On top of that, there's no accounting for demographics, since a computer sits somewhere, and there's no telling WHO's pressing the buttons. It could be a 10-year old kid watching your video several times and getting something advertised to him that he either has no interest in or has no authority to buy. I think Youtube has distorted expectations - by its nature, it attracts clusters of people to feast on certain featured popular videos in a way that's quite different to what a lot of us are doing. And as Mark Day said last week, even on Youtube the really big view numbers are rare. YouTube numbers are useless. We discussed this on this group a while back. First of all, YT uses autoplay. As soon as you go to the page, the video automatically loads and plays. Even if you go there to SEE what it is... the video plays. Next, every time someone leaves a response, you have to go back to THE SAME PAGE to read their response. The video that you ALREADY SAW loads up again and starts playing. Most of the comments on YT are people trash-talking anyway, so even the nay-sayers are contributing to the popularity of a video. If they separate the comments from the actual PLAYING of the videos, then you'd get a better estimate of how many unique views each of those videos are getting. Having said that, there are videos with literally MILLIONS of views, hahahaha so I'm not hating on them at all, just pointing out that the way YouTube's set up makes the videos look more impressive numbers-wise than they really are. Personally, I don't think that getting just a few people per day or per week is bad at all. Your films are still being seen by more people than they would if you were taking them to a local film night, or showing them in a local gallery, which was the only forum for them before the web. That was another discussion that went on a while back, about the audience of ten or whatever. There's nothing wrong with having double or even single-digits-worth of people subscribing to your feed. It's also no indication of how many people saw your video. If someone downloads your video with fireant, for instance, then shows everyone at their job and then everyone at their house and then everyone when they go to their family reunion your video, all you know is that you got ONE download from your host. And you're actually connecting with the people who are watching them, in a way that wouldn't happen otherwise. And probably in a more profound way than you would if you had 1000 people all wanting to talk to you. This is an interesting thing about putting videos on a feed. Without feedback, there's really no telling WHO'S watched your videos. When I post an episode, within the first few hours, I'll have between 15-24 views that aren't my own from the process of cross-posting and confirming that my videos have made it to my feed and are DLing successfully. Normally, my videos don't go past 160 views over the course of a few months. Recently, I've brought myself up to date all the way from PodCampNYC (April, 2007), and I've posted 90 episodes between June 12th and July 4th. I'm looking at a FEW 40s, but mostly in the 30s and the 20s for views on each one of those 90 videos. Meanwhile, like I said, I have no FEEDBACK from any of these video downloads, so I don't know WHO'S watching them. So I ASSUME that NOBODY'S seen them. :) So I keep having these IRL conversations with people, and I go to explain to them something that happened in a video, and they're like yeah... I saw that one, hahaha or they tell me something
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Thanks for sharing this :) Do you know where people find you, mostly? Do you spend a lot of time fielding feedback? On 5 Jul 2007, at 22:01, Chumley wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm on a roll, today. Sure, I'll chime in with some stats. It always urked me that people are so secretive about their downloads, It's not a competition though, as long as you enjoy what your doing it shouldn't really matter what your stats are. The Cult of UHF has been going since Nov. 05 and I have 35 episodes out (only put out about 2 a month) According to Blip my last two episodes are each about 10,200 downloads. Over my 35 episodes I usually get (on non-new episode release days, release days spike of course) about 700-800 downloads a day. Counting in my old host Libsyn with blip my total downloads are around 310,000. Feedburner says I have around 1,800 subscribers (but who knows what those stats actually mean.) Rev. Chumley I'd like to suggest that more of us should try to be open about how many views we get. I mean, not *all* of us, obviously. There are those of us who won't want to say for commercial or other reasons. But I keep hearing people worrying about how few views they're getting. And I'm sure that part of their worry is that other people are getting far more. And I'm not sure that that's true. I'd bet any money that 99% of the people on this list get two figure views for all their videos combined per day. And I'd bet the majority get single figure views per day. This is important in the discussion of monetizing videoblogging, too, perhaps. I think Youtube has distorted expectations - by its nature, it attracts clusters of people to feast on certain featured popular videos in a way that's quite different to what a lot of us are doing. And as Mark Day said last week, even on Youtube the really big view numbers are rare. Personally, I don't think that getting just a few people per day or per week is bad at all. Your films are still being seen by more people than they would if you were taking them to a local film night, or showing them in a local gallery, which was the only forum for them before the web. And you're actually connecting with the people who are watching them, in a way that wouldn't happen otherwise. And probably in a more profound way than you would if you had 1000 people all wanting to talk to you. You don't have to join in this game - it's not Truth or Dare! - but to get the ball rolling, here are my own stats. They're a bit weird compared to most, probably, because I only started Twittervlog 3 months ago, I've made 89 videos in that time and I pimp it all the time on Twitter - that must be where I get most of my views. I feel it's been successful on a personal level - I've met all sorts of great people and it's been a lot of fun. But featured status on Youtube - or even on Blip - it ain't. I have posted 89 films. With 14,000 views in total. That's an average of 150 per film. I figure - what? - half of those have actually watched the video to the end? 25 videos ( a third of them) have less than 100 views in total another 57 videos (almost two thirds) have between 100 and 250 and only 7 have more than 250 - all of these have been featured somewhere, like The End of Pixelodeon, or the Vlog Deathmatch video. The Vlog Deathmatch video is the most popular, and has topped out at 765 views. Which is a fraction of what Irina and The Burg's total votes were, I'm sure! At the end of the Deathmatch, I think it'd had 350 or so views. The only Youtube context I can give to this is the Flashmob video, which has had 13,000 views on Youtube, and 746 on my site. Oh, and I now have around 50 or so subscribers (Feedburner number). I don't know - maybe I'm wrong and you're all getting thousands and thousands of views for every film you make... but my heart tells me that's not so... and if it isn't, do we average non-commercial videobloggers need to readjust our expectations? Is getting 100 views on a video after it's been out there for a few months really so bad? Imagine those 100 people in your local bar or in your house! That's quite a lot of people. And then add all your videos together. You've made 50? And they average 100 views in the end? That's 5000 in total! And 5000 was a big number for Jesus... :) I remember a time when we complained about people's Feedcounters, and the pressure of popularity that comes with people talking about statistics. I hate that. But on the other hand, it's terrible if everybody thinks that they can't say how many viewers they have because they'd be perceived as unpopular and unsuccessful. I'd be really interested on your thoughts about this. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ [Non-text portions of this message
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When I first started posting videos, I was completely obsessed with my stats. Now, not so much. One stat that still is cool to me is where people come from that find my site. I think I lost interest in all the stats thing when I realized that I wasnt going to make a living from this. Which is ok. It's a fun hobby and I enjoy doing it. My video views are few. That's fine. I get wonderful comments on my work. That's awesome. Comments are my crack. I had one donation since I added a donation button. I damn near cried and died all at the same time. Looking at Blip, I average about 600 views on my videos. My highest viewed video is If A Tree Falls with 1557 views. Like I said. Small views. Which, in the long run, doesnt mean much. It's the comments that I get from my vlogging friends and complete unknowns. Thems my words and I'm stickin to them :) David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for sharing this :) Do you know where people find you, mostly? Do you spend a lot of time fielding feedback? On 5 Jul 2007, at 22:01, Chumley wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: I'm on a roll, today. Sure, I'll chime in with some stats. It always urked me that people are so secretive about their downloads, It's not a competition though, as long as you enjoy what your doing it shouldn't really matter what your stats are. The Cult of UHF has been going since Nov. 05 and I have 35 episodes out (only put out about 2 a month) According to Blip my last two episodes are each about 10,200 downloads. Over my 35 episodes I usually get (on non-new episode release days, release days spike of course) about 700-800 downloads a day. Counting in my old host Libsyn with blip my total downloads are around 310,000. Feedburner says I have around 1,800 subscribers (but who knows what those stats actually mean.) Rev. Chumley I'd like to suggest that more of us should try to be open about how many views we get. I mean, not *all* of us, obviously. There are those of us who won't want to say for commercial or other reasons. But I keep hearing people worrying about how few views they're getting. And I'm sure that part of their worry is that other people are getting far more. And I'm not sure that that's true. I'd bet any money that 99% of the people on this list get two figure views for all their videos combined per day. And I'd bet the majority get single figure views per day. This is important in the discussion of monetizing videoblogging, too, perhaps. I think Youtube has distorted expectations - by its nature, it attracts clusters of people to feast on certain featured popular videos in a way that's quite different to what a lot of us are doing. And as Mark Day said last week, even on Youtube the really big view numbers are rare. Personally, I don't think that getting just a few people per day or per week is bad at all. Your films are still being seen by more people than they would if you were taking them to a local film night, or showing them in a local gallery, which was the only forum for them before the web. And you're actually connecting with the people who are watching them, in a way that wouldn't happen otherwise. And probably in a more profound way than you would if you had 1000 people all wanting to talk to you. You don't have to join in this game - it's not Truth or Dare! - but to get the ball rolling, here are my own stats. They're a bit weird compared to most, probably, because I only started Twittervlog 3 months ago, I've made 89 videos in that time and I pimp it all the time on Twitter - that must be where I get most of my views. I feel it's been successful on a personal level - I've met all sorts of great people and it's been a lot of fun. But featured status on Youtube - or even on Blip - it ain't. I have posted 89 films. With 14,000 views in total. That's an average of 150 per film. I figure - what? - half of those have actually watched the video to the end? 25 videos ( a third of them) have less than 100 views in total another 57 videos (almost two thirds) have between 100 and 250 and only 7 have more than 250 - all of these have been featured somewhere, like The End of Pixelodeon, or the Vlog Deathmatch video. The Vlog Deathmatch video is the most popular, and has topped out at 765 views. Which is a fraction of what Irina and The Burg's total votes were, I'm sure! At the end of the Deathmatch, I think it'd had 350 or so views. The only Youtube context I can give to this is the Flashmob video, which has had 13,000 views on Youtube, and 746 on my site. Oh, and I now have around 50 or so subscribers (Feedburner number). I don't know - maybe I'm wrong and you're all getting thousands and
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Rupert, I stopped worrying about viewing figures when I realised that the video I made of the world naked bike ride got 2x, 3x the viewers all my other videos did. Is that one in any way better, or are people just trying to get a look at the winkys of Brighton? I should probably post that on YouTube and get figures in the thousands. I've got more comments about other videos, like the response I did to you. I still have those oh my god where am I going with this moments though. I get a respectable (ok quite low) two figure audience a day, higher if I have just made a video, higher still if it was featured somewhere. I wonder sometimes if I should pimp myself out a little more, looking at what happens when I get featured somewhere, then I think that vlogging is something I do to not have lots of pressure on me (then obviously, a couple of minutes later I think, should I have more viewers?). I think reading what Verdi said was really interesting. He has way more viewers than me, but not an insane number. I read something that someone said about 'zines once, which was that if you read a 'zine that you like, you can contact that person and become friends with them instead of them being on another planet as far as communication is concerned. It's the old famous for fifteen people maxim again. That said, I'm off to drum up some facebook friends. Not really. Beth xxx
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I want to add my two cents to this because I'm not trying to monetize what I am doing; No disrespect intended. I've come around and I'm not as rabid against the topic as I once was. I really want to stress that I feel the number game is to me a small part of the story. I'm trying to represent this space in time on video. I'm not a professional. What am doing is more of a essay kind of experience. I'm just trying to express a non-fiction narrative story using text, photos and video. Sorry in advanced for being long winded. My current stats as I understand them from Blip: 194 Blip Video Posts with 44,236 views and 11 Blip Comments. I know that some video pirates/aggregators are stealing/displaying my content w/o my consent so the numbers are higher. 394 Blogger Posts with a total of 25,000 views with 39,000 page views. The daily average is 87 people. The number is a little low because I lost my Site Meeter feed for a while without knowing it. I selected the videos that seemed to doing well or represented my work and put them in the sidebar. The Nikki Giovanni videos started out real slow, maybe 1 or 2 views a week. I was very disappointed, no real action for more than a year. Dr. Giovanni has a deep connection with many African-American women so by word of mouth/searching has steadily increased the views. They are now my all time popular videos at about a 1,000 1,500 views. If the audience that want what you have to say finds you we have to let go of when they do. We are not TV in that respect, our initial numbers are not the final numbers. They do evolve. LA Tofu Festival - Living La Vida Loca was one of the worst shot videos I ever did. It was when my old faithful camcorder was dying and I couldn't replace it. I salvage what I could and posted it thinking nobody is going to watch it. I was wrong by 689 people. Certain art videos do real well and sex and gender issue topics do gain short burst of viewers. I can prove it ;-) The protest videos and the videos about visiting a local Mosque did OK at about 350 each but I hoped they would do better. But I had folks from Arab countries check it out. I have no idea how they found me. It was a slow, steady growth from five people a month, to maybe 6 a day to steady 10, 20, 30 views. It stuck on those numbers for a long time. As I began to do more outreach, speaking, participating in non-vlogging communities like BlogHer the numbers grew. I didn't go to other blogs to plug mine, I like discovering bloggers and concepts. I try to leave a comment each time. Bloggers like comments. I'll tell you, getting selected Blogger Site of the Day will jump your numbers up very quickly, in the thousands. It will kick up your spam level as well. But those folks are gone and I'm returning to normal for me. The videos for the library program students have really low numbers in the 30s(as in 30 people)but as the next wave of students comes in and check them out they will grow. As I do more talks to libraries and librarians it will grow. David Kessler from Shadow Lands does damn beautiful work. In fact, he is giving me a complex at the moment, in a good way. He should have better numbers than me. Shadow Lands will as people talk him up, and he puts the networking into place. Some of you do similar kinds of videos, it is going to take time to find your audiences. They are looking for you as well. So much to say about this, Gena
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to add my two cents to this because I'm not trying to monetize what I am doing; No disrespect intended. I've come around and I'm not as rabid against the topic as I once was. I really want to stress that I feel the number game is to me a small part of the story. I'm trying to represent this space in time on video. I'm not a professional. What am doing is more of a essay kind of experience. I'm just trying to express a non-fiction narrative story using text, photos and video. Sorry in advanced for being long winded. My current stats as I understand them from Blip: 194 Blip Video Posts with 44,236 views and 11 Blip Comments. I know that some video pirates/aggregators are stealing/displaying my content w/o my consent so the numbers are higher. 394 Blogger Posts with a total of 25,000 views with 39,000 page views. The daily average is 87 people. The number is a little low because I lost my Site Meeter feed for a while without knowing it. Gena has a good point here, with regard to popularity. It's not just about how many video views you get... of course, unless that's all you have on your site. It's also about page views, visitors, how much they bounce according to Google Analytics... It's really a question of whether you're getting your point across and whether you're being seen or heard. I wasn't thinking about it, but over the last 60 days, my low for unique visitors is 35 and my high is 59... EVERY DAY. I have single digits worth of returning visitors. Assuming the stats really ARE unique visitors, and I was only getting 35 every day, that makes 1,050 people in the last month that landed on my site for one reason or another. Then you have to add your social networking sites. How many people see you on twitter? flickr? linkedin? myspace? youtube? veoh? meetup? brightcove? network2? revver? all the places where blip.tv syndicates to? I'm not talking about video views, because my videos aren't on auto-play. People can come to your site and GET what you have to say without watching your videos. I selected the videos that seemed to doing well or represented my work and put them in the sidebar. This is a good idea, too. A LOT of people bounce after just viewing one page, so it's a good idea to have things on that one page that might draw them to the most popular parts of your site. The Nikki Giovanni videos started out real slow, maybe 1 or 2 views a week. I was very disappointed, no real action for more than a year. Dr. Giovanni has a deep connection with many African-American women so by word of mouth/searching has steadily increased the views. They are now my all time popular videos at about a 1,000 1,500 views. If the audience that want what you have to say finds you we have to let go of when they do. We are not TV in that respect, our initial numbers are not the final numbers. They do evolve. That's another good point. I think most of the time, you can't take popularity or the lack thereof personally. People look for... what they're looking for. They're looking for topics, even though they watch and subscribe to people, as Steve Garfield likes to say. If they're into green and so are you, then you might make their delicious list. If they're into cooking and so are you, they might syndicate your blip player or re-blog one of your posts. It's really about letting the population that's interested in what you're talking about know that you're here and you have something to say and/or show. -- billcammack LA Tofu Festival - Living La Vida Loca was one of the worst shot videos I ever did. It was when my old faithful camcorder was dying and I couldn't replace it. I salvage what I could and posted it thinking nobody is going to watch it. I was wrong by 689 people. Certain art videos do real well and sex and gender issue topics do gain short burst of viewers. I can prove it ;-) The protest videos and the videos about visiting a local Mosque did OK at about 350 each but I hoped they would do better. But I had folks from Arab countries check it out. I have no idea how they found me. It was a slow, steady growth from five people a month, to maybe 6 a day to steady 10, 20, 30 views. It stuck on those numbers for a long time. As I began to do more outreach, speaking, participating in non-vlogging communities like BlogHer the numbers grew. I didn't go to other blogs to plug mine, I like discovering bloggers and concepts. I try to leave a comment each time. Bloggers like comments. I'll tell you, getting selected Blogger Site of the Day will jump your numbers up very quickly, in the thousands. It will kick up your spam level as well. But those folks are gone and I'm returning to normal for me. The videos for the library program students have really low numbers in the 30s(as in 30 people)but as the next wave of students comes in and check them out
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Ok, finally got a chance to look at my stats for real, I have 144 posts (well at my batmangeek site, done some other stuff but I am only talking about BG), so 144 posts and 58,953 views/downloads, for an average of 409 per post. Now I am guessing about 2,000-3,000, maybe more of those views are inflated because of www.jeroenwijering.com I see to get a few hunderd every once and a while because of that. Probably the most popular video I have for year (not counting Jeroenwijering.com) is my Adam West music video I did for Wally Wingert, he is a voice actor who works on Family Guy and some other stuff and know Adam personaly (hey I AM the Batman Geek). Anyway over 1500 views, I do have a few others over 1,000 but again over a year and a half plus some of those vids were my Batman related vids and I posted links on some fan sites which helped my numbers. So what does it all mean? Hell if I know, like I said before the only time I really care (and care is a strong word) is when I like a video and it does not seem to do well. I have a base of about 4-5 people who pretty regularly comment on my work, I think the most I have had is about 10, I wish I generated more comments and conversation but in reality I guess most of my vids don't invoke a desire to respondthat more than anything is what I wish I could change, I love the conversation... ;) Heath http://batmangeek.com http://aroundcincinnati.net
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No problem Rupert, I'm all about freedom of information being a proponent of Public Domain. As far as where people find me, it's mostly iTunes. I've been one of the fortunate people that have had their vidcast featured on the frontpage for quite a while. I surged up to over 10,000 when they put on on a full scale button on the top of iTunes. I don't really promote or anything as this is just a hobby and I'm not seeking money in any way, but I was lucky also that they chose to put me in the comedy feature video section for quite a while now as well. I think the only reason I have the numbers I do is that I have a niche that isn't covered by anyone else really. I chose to go long form...ok reay long form as my show is at least 1 hour 30 minutes as I carry full public domain movies with hosted segments. Everyone else is preaching the short form while I went a different direction. It was purely because I love my iPod and wanted movies and such on it. There weren't any at the time so I just did it myself. Rev. Chumley --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for sharing this :) Do you know where people find you, mostly? Do you spend a lot of time fielding feedback? On 5 Jul 2007, at 22:01, Chumley wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: I'm on a roll, today. Sure, I'll chime in with some stats. It always urked me that people are so secretive about their downloads, It's not a competition though, as long as you enjoy what your doing it shouldn't really matter what your stats are. The Cult of UHF has been going since Nov. 05 and I have 35 episodes out (only put out about 2 a month) According to Blip my last two episodes are each about 10,200 downloads. Over my 35 episodes I usually get (on non-new episode release days, release days spike of course) about 700-800 downloads a day. Counting in my old host Libsyn with blip my total downloads are around 310,000. Feedburner says I have around 1,800 subscribers (but who knows what those stats actually mean.) Rev. Chumley I'd like to suggest that more of us should try to be open about how many views we get. I mean, not *all* of us, obviously. There are those of us who won't want to say for commercial or other reasons. But I keep hearing people worrying about how few views they're getting. And I'm sure that part of their worry is that other people are getting far more. And I'm not sure that that's true. I'd bet any money that 99% of the people on this list get two figure views for all their videos combined per day. And I'd bet the majority get single figure views per day. This is important in the discussion of monetizing videoblogging, too, perhaps. I think Youtube has distorted expectations - by its nature, it attracts clusters of people to feast on certain featured popular videos in a way that's quite different to what a lot of us are doing. And as Mark Day said last week, even on Youtube the really big view numbers are rare. Personally, I don't think that getting just a few people per day or per week is bad at all. Your films are still being seen by more people than they would if you were taking them to a local film night, or showing them in a local gallery, which was the only forum for them before the web. And you're actually connecting with the people who are watching them, in a way that wouldn't happen otherwise. And probably in a more profound way than you would if you had 1000 people all wanting to talk to you. You don't have to join in this game - it's not Truth or Dare! - but to get the ball rolling, here are my own stats. They're a bit weird compared to most, probably, because I only started Twittervlog 3 months ago, I've made 89 videos in that time and I pimp it all the time on Twitter - that must be where I get most of my views. I feel it's been successful on a personal level - I've met all sorts of great people and it's been a lot of fun. But featured status on Youtube - or even on Blip - it ain't. I have posted 89 films. With 14,000 views in total. That's an average of 150 per film. I figure - what? - half of those have actually watched the video to the end? 25 videos ( a third of them) have less than 100 views in total another 57 videos (almost two thirds) have between 100 and 250 and only 7 have more than 250 - all of these have been featured somewhere, like The End of Pixelodeon, or the Vlog Deathmatch video. The Vlog Deathmatch video is the most popular, and has topped out at 765 views. Which is a fraction of what Irina and The Burg's total votes were, I'm sure! At the end of the Deathmatch, I think it'd had 350 or so views. The only Youtube context I can give to this is the Flashmob video, which has had 13,000 views on Youtube, and 746 on my site. Oh, and
[videoblogging] Re: Lies, Damned Lies And Statistics
Forgot the feedback part of that question, sorry. As far as feedback goes, I get probably 10 emails a month and a few blog comments with 3 or 4 voicemails, so no it really doesn't take much time to field feedback. Although I make it a point to answer every post,email and such that I get. It always pisses me off when I email the bigger vlogs/vidcasts and don't get a reply. Rev. Chumley --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for sharing this :) Do you know where people find you, mostly? Do you spend a lot of time fielding feedback? On 5 Jul 2007, at 22:01, Chumley wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: I'm on a roll, today. Sure, I'll chime in with some stats. It always urked me that people are so secretive about their downloads, It's not a competition though, as long as you enjoy what your doing it shouldn't really matter what your stats are. The Cult of UHF has been going since Nov. 05 and I have 35 episodes out (only put out about 2 a month) According to Blip my last two episodes are each about 10,200 downloads. Over my 35 episodes I usually get (on non-new episode release days, release days spike of course) about 700-800 downloads a day. Counting in my old host Libsyn with blip my total downloads are around 310,000. Feedburner says I have around 1,800 subscribers (but who knows what those stats actually mean.) Rev. Chumley I'd like to suggest that more of us should try to be open about how many views we get. I mean, not *all* of us, obviously. There are those of us who won't want to say for commercial or other reasons. But I keep hearing people worrying about how few views they're getting. And I'm sure that part of their worry is that other people are getting far more. And I'm not sure that that's true. I'd bet any money that 99% of the people on this list get two figure views for all their videos combined per day. And I'd bet the majority get single figure views per day. This is important in the discussion of monetizing videoblogging, too, perhaps. I think Youtube has distorted expectations - by its nature, it attracts clusters of people to feast on certain featured popular videos in a way that's quite different to what a lot of us are doing. And as Mark Day said last week, even on Youtube the really big view numbers are rare. Personally, I don't think that getting just a few people per day or per week is bad at all. Your films are still being seen by more people than they would if you were taking them to a local film night, or showing them in a local gallery, which was the only forum for them before the web. And you're actually connecting with the people who are watching them, in a way that wouldn't happen otherwise. And probably in a more profound way than you would if you had 1000 people all wanting to talk to you. You don't have to join in this game - it's not Truth or Dare! - but to get the ball rolling, here are my own stats. They're a bit weird compared to most, probably, because I only started Twittervlog 3 months ago, I've made 89 videos in that time and I pimp it all the time on Twitter - that must be where I get most of my views. I feel it's been successful on a personal level - I've met all sorts of great people and it's been a lot of fun. But featured status on Youtube - or even on Blip - it ain't. I have posted 89 films. With 14,000 views in total. That's an average of 150 per film. I figure - what? - half of those have actually watched the video to the end? 25 videos ( a third of them) have less than 100 views in total another 57 videos (almost two thirds) have between 100 and 250 and only 7 have more than 250 - all of these have been featured somewhere, like The End of Pixelodeon, or the Vlog Deathmatch video. The Vlog Deathmatch video is the most popular, and has topped out at 765 views. Which is a fraction of what Irina and The Burg's total votes were, I'm sure! At the end of the Deathmatch, I think it'd had 350 or so views. The only Youtube context I can give to this is the Flashmob video, which has had 13,000 views on Youtube, and 746 on my site. Oh, and I now have around 50 or so subscribers (Feedburner number). I don't know - maybe I'm wrong and you're all getting thousands and thousands of views for every film you make... but my heart tells me that's not so... and if it isn't, do we average non-commercial videobloggers need to readjust our expectations? Is getting 100 views on a video after it's been out there for a few months really so bad? Imagine those 100 people in your local bar or in your house! That's quite a lot of people. And then add all your videos together. You've made 50? And they average 100 views in the end? That's 5000 in total! And 5000
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[snip] I have some videos on the net - not sure if I'd call them vlogs as there's no real pattern to them I hardly ever edit, just upload the raw clips as an online backup usually. just little captures of moments or gigs I've been to. so not sure if these are what you're after, but here you go, another example.. I put them up on blip youtube. some older ones on ourmedia but I can't see the download numbers there. blip.tv has 59 videos with 13432 views total (1717 highest, 5 lowest - this was uploaded last night, 21 lowest prior to this) youtube has 17 videos (5903 highest, 5 lowest - this was uploaded last night, 25 lowest prior to this) top 4 downloads on each site are - these have been online for around 9-12mths. battle of the year breakdancing finals 2003 (an old video of the Aus team I had lying around - rates the best, even though the quality would be worst as it was taken on my old camera) blip=1717, youtube=5903 Wikid Force breakers @ BOTY 2003 Sydney - blip=548, youtube=1676 Red Fort, Delhi, India blip=1058, youtube=1452 old delhi markets chandni chowk - from a cycle rickshaw - blip=80, youtube=1283 the rest follow the long tail curve and have from 700- 20 on each site. these are mostly videos from electronic music festivals/gigs/travel videos. it's interesting that they get similar results/proportion of views on both systems, I find this more interesting than the actual number of downloads/views. the festivals/gigs ones I get the most emails /messages about as they're of locals and it helps them so they're the ones I like most even though their numbers are lower (it's a small niche topic though). the travel ones are for me to remember things so I'm surprised anyone else wants to see them at all. I don't think anyone uses feedburner to see my vids so I don't think there'd be many/any subs to the feeds - I think the link might have been removed from my site during an upgrade once. kath -- http://www.aliak.com
