[videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
Drupal is my favorite CMS right now, but it does have a much steeper learning curve than WordPress and others. The standard aggregator module in Drupal currently does not support media enclosures, but it can be hacked to work. Here is an example... All action sports feeds aggregated and categorized http://ridertech.com/aggregator/categories And then re-syndicated... http://feeds.feedburner.com/ridertech/snow http://feeds.feedburner.com/ridertech/skate This is a custom hack to the aggregator.module file. I'm working on developing a contrib module to be posted on Drupal.org - it would be an add-on to the aggregator that reads the feeds and creates new nodes (using the exising audio and video modules). Of course, this is only one method. Email me offlist if you need help creating a new custom module or hacking any existing one. -Matt http://vlogmap.org --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Kinberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Creating customized feeds of this sort is still rather difficult for > non-programmers since its custom functionality that blogging tools > just don't come with straight out of the box. > > It could probably be implemented with a plugin for Wordpress, > MovableType, or Drupal (perhaps such plugins exist?) that could add > the various custom fields/namespaces to the RSS feed. > > If these stations are currently using Drupal then that would be the > place to start. I remember seeing a couple different Media Modules for > Drupal a while back, but I lost interest in Drupal a while ago... > might be worthwhile to look into it again and see if these have made > much progress. If not, I'm sure you could get a Drupal consultant to > make what you want relatively quick and cheap. > > -Josh
[videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
I'm sure sponsoring a G would improve the chance of adding mRSS to the Drupal core (version 5.0), which is still in beta. After the final release, all changes to the core modules will be part of the next version. However, mRSS would be easy to add alongside an existing Drupal site... You could create a new module that generates your mRSS file(s) upon each node add/edit, or better yet, just run it every hour w/ the cron function built into the module. If others are interested in Drupal, I'd love to talk more with you. I'm going to start building add-on modules for version 5... aggregator: - full support for enclosures, mRSS and geoRSS video: - improve add/edit form - expand mime-types (currently m4v not used w/ QT) - expand services (add myspace video, tagworld, etc) - add iTunes feed (w/ customized options like Feedburner) Email me offlist if you'd like to help out or have other feature requests. -Matt http://vlogmap.org http://ridertech.com
[videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
Hi guys - I'm the cat herder for Media RSS. This list unfortunately gets so much traffic that I don't read it as much as I should -- but this thread caught my eye. If there's anything we can do to help out in any way, shoot me an email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] We would love to help out if possible. -David Hall --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > First off, I think whatever email client you're using is marking > everything as *SPAM* in the subject line. Very detrimental to > conversation. :) > > Response below. > > On 12/3/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We currently use rel="enclosure" in cross-posts, but we don't and can't > > use rel="thumbnail" because (afaik) images in XHTML don't have a rel > > attribute. I'd be very hesitant to use something like class="thumbnail" > > because of potentially conflicting CSS on remote sites (we prefix class > > names in cross-posts with a namespace like "blip_" to avoid conflicts). > > I'm not sure what the proper approach to attaching semantically > > important information to images is, but that's all the more reason why > > this conversation is more important for the microformats-discuss list > > than the videoblogging list. > > Where's andreas of solitude.dk when you need him? :) > > Overall, yeah, I agree. > > But I don't think I'm on this microstandards discussion list for some > reason. Must have been some oversite on my part. You got a url or > were you talking video vertigo? > > > The only way that a standard for additional metadata will be adopted is > > if FeedBurner is on board. As I said in my previous e-mail, I've > > discussed this with them and they're gung-ho for the idea but don't have > > room in their roadmap right now. At blip we're ready to go with it, > > though. We'll add whatever microformats we have to so that the > > blip->cross-post->FeedBurner->MediaRSS workflow works best. > > Well, I think if just mefeedia and blip adopt it'll be mutually > beneficial to us both immediately making it worthwhile. Peter is out > of town at the moment, but this is at the very top of our priority > list. Those damn thumbnails are sort of important to people and we > can't generate them all. > > Remember, if it's in the blog post, even if Feedburner doesn't pick it > up immediately and translate it to mediaRSS it'll get through to the > RSS anyway and anyone including mefeedia, democracy, dabble or anyone > who chooses to identify and use it can. > > Right now we're talking about going back in to identify all the videos > coming from blip and their thumbnails and then cross referencing that > with videos we're picking up from feedburner feeds and using the > thumbnails there. It's be much easier for everyone if those thumbnails > (and other meta info from blip) were contained right in those > feeburner RSS feeds, either with mediaRSS as they get the chance, or > with microstandards until then. > > This is not just about thumbnails of course, that's just at the > forefront. We're talking about ways to pass around geographic data on > individual posts, and having ways to continually extend and add new > semantic data. Data that blip and others are collecting, data that > gets lost in the cross posting. > > The trick is to allow people to specify as much metadata, or semantic > data in the post as possible as simple as possible. This is something > everyone can benefit from. > > The problem is as it turns out with mediaRSS is most people don't > write their own mediaRSS feeds. They need simple microformats to > specify semantically key meta info right in the blog post. > > rel=tag is a great example of this. > > We need a way to identify thumbnails next. > > Then to start looking at other metainfo that's missing. > > > We're more than happy to do support this in code before FeedBurner > > does... so if FB agrees to support a microstandards standard at some point > > in the future we'll add support to it in our code immediately. > > Rock on. That's what I'm talking about. > > Just got to figure out if we can't specify rel=thumbnail on image > source what else we can do. > > We could use the "alt" space. It's usually used for text describing > the image, but alt=thumbnail might work. > > Keep in mind while blip is going to be handling all this stuff > automatically we need to keep it very simple to keep it accessible to > everyday people whom very well may be hand coding it. > > So... if we can keep it rel=thumbnail that would be best. > > How else are people specifying microstandards? Within div tags? > > http://...";> > > What about ? > > I must admit I'm so out of touch. :P > > What strikes me as a more technical question is how to semantically > specify alternate video formats like Flash in the source. As far as I > know there's no way to extend rel=enclosure. > > The only think I can think of is to specify urls in duplicate. For > example specifying o
[videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
Id love to help out. Anyway I'll start to talk about it here although I agree that more detailed discussions probably belong elsewhere. Is there somewhere we can go to talk about this in more detail on the web? Should we talk about it on drupal forums or is there better alternatives or reasons not to? I havent tried Drupal 5 beta yet. I plan to install it soon (been testing 4.7 previously). From memory, the video module isnt part of the core is it? So I guess its not really beneficial to have mediaRSS as part of the core unless video is too? I see the video module is being updated quite a lot recently, seems like automatic thumbnails and other stuff got added in November, by the looks of CSV messges: http://drupal.org/project/cvs/25274 So anyways I was ondering if you will be working with whoever is currently maintaining the video module, that sort of thing. I am not a very good programmer so Idoubt I can be too much direct help, but I can do testing & give technical feedback. I have some funds that would probably translate to $200 US available to help the cause, if its actually of use. Is there some sort of channel for drual sponsored projects or is it just simply paying directly whoever is willing (eg you by the sounds of it, groovy), to dedicate some time to the work? Both my own future blog/vlog site, and some other projects, are on infinite hold waiting for me to do a drupal site properly with the features I know I want. Drupal has come quite a long way, esp the video module, and Im confident Drupal with the right modules can do 80% of what I need right now. Further improvements to video & feed features are something I care enough about to contribute to financially, so may actually have more money than stated above available if this stuff starts to fly. There are also weirder things Id like to do if a few other existing modules did just a bit more, and knew about eachother a little more. I see google map and timeline modules, and it makes me wonder about mashing them together with video content uploaded to the site, and having odd new ways to see peoples videos mapped to time and space. It might be a dud idea for all I know, but until I see it I wont know if its a failure, and I dont qutie have the skills to make it happen. Cheers Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Savarino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm sure sponsoring a G would improve the chance of adding mRSS to > the Drupal core (version 5.0), which is still in beta. After the > final release, all changes to the core modules will be part of the > next version. > > However, mRSS would be easy to add alongside an existing Drupal site... > > You could create a new module that generates your mRSS file(s) upon > each node add/edit, or better yet, just run it every hour w/ the cron > function built into the module. > > If others are interested in Drupal, I'd love to talk more with you. > > I'm going to start building add-on modules for version 5... > > aggregator: > - full support for enclosures, mRSS and geoRSS > > video: > - improve add/edit form > - expand mime-types (currently m4v not used w/ QT) > - expand services (add myspace video, tagworld, etc) > - add iTunes feed (w/ customized options like Feedburner) > > Email me offlist if you'd like to help out or have other feature requests. > > -Matt > http://vlogmap.org > http://ridertech.com >
[videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
I found this, looks like ourmedia development is a lot more open than in the past: http://tools.ourmedia.org/index.php?title=Development_priorities Media RSS seems to be right there at the top of te list, with talk of how a new module can now be tested, and being able to trun feeds back on. I was also reading some posts on drupal about ourmedia, that suggests they are more likely to be able to give back to the drupal community in this phase of development than in the past, which is nice. I am making some assumptions, and have no personal knowledge on this other than what can be read on the net. So I think its still too early to presume that some 4.7 mediaRSS goodness may emerge from ourmedia and be released into the open, I am more hopeful than at any stage in the past. Actually looking further at their developers tools, it seems like access to ourmedia sourcecode is available, though Ive not tried myself yet. I also dont know that theyve moved to version 4.7 yet. Theres a heck of a lot of into to try to tak e in. But anyways theyve got volunteers helping them with development, so it would be nice if we could co-ordinate efforts at leas a little bit on this, mmm some of the things on their feature requests list and roadmap look interesting. Information overload for now, Im off to study it in a bit more detail. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i asked JD of ourmedia to talk to jay about their mediarss module. I am > sure its not entirely ideal and may be dependent on non-core drupal code, > but the code could prob help if analyzed and it should be open sourced. > however, looks like ourmedia has rss turned off. too bad. prob was > straining the servers too much.
[videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
Drupal 5.0 now supports "distribution profiles". This allows you to download the Drupal core, add the modules needed, change the settings, and finally repackage the custom system for a new downloadable distribution. V5 also added an web-based installer. There will likely be a lot of Drupal distros coming out, but I'll try to make a vlog-based system now. -Matt http://vlogmap.org --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Rey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We really need a vlog-based CMS. Really, as in really really. > > If it came from this community, all the better. My choice would be to > partner with a hosting provider (Blip) and integrate with their services. > > I think we already know how it would work, what it would look like, etc. > > -Rick > > > On 12/5/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Why not use HaveMoneyWillVlog to raise funds for this development > > effort? > > > > Or create a new HMWV style project for development... "VlogDevBounty" > > anyone? > > > > -Josh > > > > On 12/5/06, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > wrote: > > > Id love to help out. > > > > > > Anyway I'll start to talk about it here although I agree that more > > > detailed discussions probably belong elsewhere. Is there somewhere we > > > can go to talk about this in more detail on the web? Should we talk > > > about it on drupal forums or is there better alternatives or reasons > > > not to? > > > > > > I havent tried Drupal 5 beta yet. I plan to install it soon (been > > > testing 4.7 previously). From memory, the video module isnt part of > > > the core is it? So I guess its not really beneficial to have mediaRSS > > > as part of the core unless video is too? > > > > > > I see the video module is being updated quite a lot recently, seems > > > like automatic thumbnails and other stuff got added in November, by > > > the looks of CSV messges: > > > > > > http://drupal.org/project/cvs/25274 > > > > > > So anyways I was ondering if you will be working with whoever is > > > currently maintaining the video module, that sort of thing. I am not a > > > very good programmer so Idoubt I can be too much direct help, but I > > > can do testing & give technical feedback. I have some funds that would > > > probably translate to $200 US available to help the cause, if its > > > actually of use. Is there some sort of channel for drual sponsored > > > projects or is it just simply paying directly whoever is willing (eg > > > you by the sounds of it, groovy), to dedicate some time to the work? > > > > > > Both my own future blog/vlog site, and some other projects, are on > > > infinite hold waiting for me to do a drupal site properly with the > > > features I know I want. Drupal has come quite a long way, esp the > > > video module, and Im confident Drupal with the right modules can do > > > 80% of what I need right now. Further improvements to video & feed > > > features are something I care enough about to contribute to > > > financially, so may actually have more money than stated above > > > available if this stuff starts to fly. > > > > > > There are also weirder things Id like to do if a few other existing > > > modules did just a bit more, and knew about eachother a little more. I > > > see google map and timeline modules, and it makes me wonder about > > > mashing them together with video content uploaded to the site, and > > > having odd new ways to see peoples videos mapped to time and space. It > > > might be a dud idea for all I know, but until I see it I wont know if > > > its a failure, and I dont qutie have the skills to make it happen. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Steve of Elbows > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , > > "Matt Savarino" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm sure sponsoring a G would improve the chance of adding mRSS to > > > > the Drupal core (version 5.0), which is still in beta. After the > > > > final release, all changes to the core modules will be part of the > > > > next version. > > > > > > > > However, mRSS would be easy to add alongside an existing Drupal > > site... > > > > > > > > You could create a new module that generates your mRSS file(s) upon > > > > each node add/edit, or better yet, just run it every hour w/ the cron > > > > function built into the module. > > > > > > > > If others are interested in Drupal, I'd love to talk more with you. > > > > > > > > I'm going to start building add-on modules for version 5... > > > > > > > > aggregator: > > > > - full support for enclosures, mRSS and geoRSS > > > > > > > > video: > > > > - improve add/edit form > > > > - expand mime-types (currently m4v not used w/ QT) > > > > - expand services (add myspace video, tagworld, etc) > > > > - add iTunes feed (w/ customized options like Feedburner) > > > > > > > > Email me offlist if you'd like to help out or have other feature > > > requests. > > > > > > > > -Matt > > > > http://vlogmap.org > > > > http://ridertech.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
I really have to join in on this one... I switched from Blogger and TypePad to a CMS because of the constraints that the blogging software imposed on me: the chronologically linear posting, and the way older posts drop into archive ether. I wanted to explore one subject in depth as an on-going process. I wanted to have the posts come off a multi-level menu system so that the visitor could make the choices of what to see based on content, not a linear framework that I imposed The CMS I chose was Joomla! It is a very powerful do-anything package. And, it is true, difficult at times to learn. If you are interested in a very flexible CMS with a large user-base, I suggest you take a look at Joomla! You can see how I have used itg for video on http://hestakaup.com It came with a learning curve but also with a very large user-community for support. The hardest part was when I moved some domains around and I had to get into Apache and .htacess and that "stuff". But it was not all that much worse than figuring out a lot of other issues. Now that I have it up and running I am very pleased with it. My background is as a documentary film maker with a need and knack for working with computers. I don't know if I could compare learning Jooomla! to learning FCP... As for why a CMS of any kind... Some of us do not want to do episodic "shows" or use the so-called vlog as an audition medium for getting into MSM or MSE (mainstream entertainment). We want to explore content and manage our own technology. We want to earn money from our work without "monetizing". We want to long-tail it and develop new platforms for distribution and content. Mike Hudack wrote "The sooner Drupal goes away the better off we all are." I hope he meant that in some metaphorical sense that has escaped me, but just in case he meant it semi-literally I take it that the CMS like Drupal is a threat to the "shows" that Blip has been promoting. CMS is ideal for rich media: text, graphics, photos, and videos. The stuff that gets overlooked by Blip. Sorry this is so long, but I felt I had to say something. Stan Hirson http://hestakaup.com(on Joomla!) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's funny my gut reaction was that we had an imposter posting under Mike > Hudack, I've never known him to be so blunt and harsh. > > But then I've got to say, as a non-programmer... drupal, plone and the whole > CMS thing... are atrocities that developers foist onto everyday users... "oh > but look at how great it is, and what you can do with it!" > > He programers it's what YOU can do with it! Drupal, plone and CMS systems > are for developers not real live human beings whom are non-uber geeks. > > I cannot TELL you how many times I've had someone foist drupal, plone or > some other CMS on me when all I needed was a PBwiki or a wordpress install. > > 99.99% of people don't want or need a big swiss army knife of a CMS system. > They need the single tool they need and that's it. > > Just some observations. > > It's absolutely nothing persoanl with drupal... I actually want drupal and > plone and all those other great CMS to succeed... but unless you have a > developer on call 24x7 drupal is not for the every user. > > There, I've really shown my colors. I'm a technological neophyte. The > illusion of my knowing anything at all is shattered. :) > > Peace, > > -Mike > mmeiser.com/blog > mefeedia.com > > On 12/5/06, sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > lol. > > i suppose, yeah. > > kinda harsh, even if you're not a fan of drupal. > > if you dont use it or like it, no harm done. many people do like it and > > *know* how to use it well. > > better to have it exist than not ;) > > > > sull > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > You ask because you think that's a crzy thing to say? > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com < > > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com < > > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Tue Dec 05 21:05:49 2006 > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > are you at a bar drinking beers? > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > > > The sooner Drupal goes away the better off we all are. > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > From: videoblogging@ya
[videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
Im sure you have a valid point, and I certainly am no fan of software that is overhyped and causes pain. Ive been following Drupal for a couple of years, and Joomla since it branched from Mambo. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. Both have amazed me, both have frustrated me and left me gloomy at times. From a development point of view, I can think of circumstances where Id rather start with Drupal as the foundation rather than Joomla, and vica versa. If I were trying to make a complete site without any additional coding then Id probably be more likely to pick Joomla, but it really does come down to what features you need. I certainly wouldnt want drupal to disappear or fail, it has a fanbase and I dont think they are all deluded, and the last thing that websites that may have suffered development pain in the past with drupal need is for drupal to disappear off the face of the earth. I think you can probably attribute some of ourmedias problems to drupal, but I think there were other significant factors at work too, not directly related to drupal. I see there are some opensource CMS awards and Joomla just beat Drupal this time, but both clearly have their supporters and users who recommend them. http://www.packtpub.com/award Anyway as to which platform to develop mediaRSS stuff for, clearly there is a demand for it to be supported in all popular blog & CMS opensource apps, its hopefully not a case of picking only one to dedicate efforts towards. In most cases what happens will come down to what systems the people who actual do it, want to support. Its kinda interesting how little Joomla has been mentioned here in this group until now, and I had assumed Wordpress already had mediaRSS by now. At the end of the day the people who are interested in coding mediaRSS support for these platforms need to step forward for it to happen. It doesnt really matter what people think of drupal, if theres people who are gonna develop for it anyway, then hoorah! Saying that developing such things for drupal is a waste of time doesnt actually make development for wordpress or joomla more likely to happen. But yeah I do know what its like to hate software enough to think the world would be better off without it, so Im not trying to slap you down or anything. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hudack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, it was uncharacteristicallyharsh, it's true. But I stand by my > statement. I can think of -- off the top of my head -- at least five > projects that either failed or were significantly damaged because of > their choice of Drupal as their CMS. Drupal looks great. It looks like > it has everything that you need to start a significantly powerful social > Web site out of the box, and it looks like it's significantly extensible > such that you can add new functionality easily. It even looks like it > scales. > > Well, the features that it does have were designed by software > developers without end users in mind. Its code is poorly documented > spaghetti that has gotten more programmers into trouble (and nasty > back-end rats nests of code bases) than I care to count. And it doesn't > scale. I've had more than a couple late-night beer-fueled sessions > where CTOs and directors of development cry on my shoulder about their > decisions to use Drupal. > > So, like I say, I think we'd be better off without it. Drupal is like a > Siren (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siren). > > Yours, > > Mike > > > -Original Message- > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sull > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:19 PM > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > lol. > > i suppose, yeah. > > kinda harsh, even if you're not a fan of drupal. > > if you dont use it or like it, no harm done. many people do > > like it and > > *know* how to use it well. > > better to have it exist than not ;) > > > > sull > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > You ask because you think that's a crzy thing to say? > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message - > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > < videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > < > > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Tue Dec 05 21:05:49 2006 > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > are you at a bar drinking beers? > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
[videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hudack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not sure I agree with that. Content management systems are designed > to help non-programmers build Web sites, aren't they? Isn't their > purpose to abstract all that dreck? > Mike, Yes. That is their purpose and sometimes they achieve it. Good point though. The more I see of this thread, the more I realize that there is a broad spectrum of CMSs that range in complexity as well as quality. I have a friend who develops in Drupal because it has some kind of community development functionality. OK. Escapes me. He loves it. He took a stab at Joomla! and found it confusing. I have been working in Joomla! because I find it flexible enough to do what I want it to quite easily. And I am not a programmer or developer. I am a documentary film maker. >From what I have been able to see, Joomla! and Mambo, in spite of their silly names, are sensible systems that are not for everyone, but they do make it possible for non-coders or non-programmers (like myself) to muck around and get the results they seek. I could have gone with Dreamweaver, Front Page, etc. I chose Joomla! because it was free, I liked the templates, and it seemed easy enough to learn. When I first started putting video on the internet, a little less than a year ago, I thought WordPress was over my head so I went with Blogger and then TypePad. Then moved over to Joomla! in August because I wanted a menu-driven content system and blogging software did not lend itself to that without an awful lot of kludging. To tell the truth, RSS and MRSS both escape me for now. Joomla! allows me to send email to registered guests whenever and however I want. And I count on search engines to bring people to my site. My visitors have absolutely no interest in looking at my site on a mobile device. A good streaming Flash at 500 kbs works fine. Joomla allows me to focus on the content -- the text and the video. Stan http://hestakaup.com
[videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Stan, > Nice site. > I'm on a cel connection in the middle of an internet black hole in > rural michigan, otherwise I would most likely have some nice things > to say about your video as well. > > Anyway, I run both Joomla and Mambo, and I also run a few wikis. I > really like Joomla. > > What additional mods do you have attached to your joomla install? > Anything that helps you tailor your site to video? > > Cheers, > Ron > http://pawsitivevybe.com > > > I was using vPIP on a mambo install not too long ago, and it was > really sweet. YOu should check it out. > Thanks, Ron. I am not using anything special for the video other than Josh's popup2go. I modified it a bit for dimensions -- following his instructions. I was a bit confused about Enric's vPIP install --- I am not a programmer -- and I just downloaded AllVideo Plugin from one of the Joomla! suppliers. Again, very simple, open source, free, and with a good user base. The only problem is I don't yet know how to link it to a still photo to get it to play. I've asked for help from the developer. But other than some simple house-keeping items for Joomla!, that's it. I like your site! You do dogs, I do horses! Stan http://hestakaup.com
[videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
The Onion is a classic example of a big site using Drupal. The site is currently in the top 2000 sites on Alexa's traffic ranking. http://www.theonion.com/ More Drupal sites are listed here... http://www.drupalsites.net/ By no means do I universally recommend Drupal, however, it is a very good option for those stuck between Blogger/WordPress and building a custom system. As mentioned before, Joomla is another option. Not sure what you are suggesting Mike, other than don't use Drupal. Do you not like CMSes, or are you suggesting custom systems? If a person has the programming skills to build a custom system, I highly recommend they at least look at Drupal first. Rather than building systems from the ground up for each project, Drupal provides a common foundation with a lot of module functionality. The CCK and Views modules make things very fast, flexible and easy. Themeing and adding new modules is probably the biggest hurdle, but it is very flexible once you get past the learning curve. Anyways, this is all just a suggestion. Personally, I don't like Joomla. It may be more visually appealing out-of-the-box, but the code framework is messy compared to Drupal. Feel free to email me offlist if you want to talk more. -Matt http://vlogmap.org --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Van Dijck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "I can think of -- off the top of my head -- at least five > projects that either failed or were significantly damaged because of > their choice of Drupal as their CMS" > > I can think of 3 that I know of personally. So yes, "Drupal considered > dangerous for startups" is probably a fair warning. But it's not really > meant for startups. Or it shouldn't be. I also know of a few social sites > that use it successfully and have loads of users. But they've been around, > they are not startups really. > > Peter > > On 12/6/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Yeah, it was uncharacteristicallyharsh, it's true. But I stand by my > > statement. I can think of -- off the top of my head -- at least five > > projects that either failed or were significantly damaged because of > > their choice of Drupal as their CMS. Drupal looks great. It looks like > > it has everything that you need to start a significantly powerful social > > Web site out of the box, and it looks like it's significantly extensible > > such that you can add new functionality easily. It even looks like it > > scales. > > > > Well, the features that it does have were designed by software > > developers without end users in mind. Its code is poorly documented > > spaghetti that has gotten more programmers into trouble (and nasty > > back-end rats nests of code bases) than I care to count. And it doesn't > > scale. I've had more than a couple late-night beer-fueled sessions > > where CTOs and directors of development cry on my shoulder about their > > decisions to use Drupal. > > > > So, like I say, I think we'd be better off without it. Drupal is like a > > Siren (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siren). > > > > Yours, > > > > Mike > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ] > > On Behalf Of sull > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:19 PM > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > lol. > > > i suppose, yeah. > > > kinda harsh, even if you're not a fan of drupal. > > > if you dont use it or like it, no harm done. many people do > > > like it and > > > *know* how to use it well. > > > better to have it exist than not ;) > > > > > > sull > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > > > You ask because you think that's a crzy thing to say? > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > < videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > < > > > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Tue Dec 05 21:05:49 2006 > > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > > > are you at a bar drinking beers? > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The s
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
Why not use HaveMoneyWillVlog to raise funds for this development effort? Or create a new HMWV style project for development... "VlogDevBounty" anyone? -Josh On 12/5/06, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Id love to help out. > > Anyway I'll start to talk about it here although I agree that more > detailed discussions probably belong elsewhere. Is there somewhere we > can go to talk about this in more detail on the web? Should we talk > about it on drupal forums or is there better alternatives or reasons > not to? > > I havent tried Drupal 5 beta yet. I plan to install it soon (been > testing 4.7 previously). From memory, the video module isnt part of > the core is it? So I guess its not really beneficial to have mediaRSS > as part of the core unless video is too? > > I see the video module is being updated quite a lot recently, seems > like automatic thumbnails and other stuff got added in November, by > the looks of CSV messges: > > http://drupal.org/project/cvs/25274 > > So anyways I was ondering if you will be working with whoever is > currently maintaining the video module, that sort of thing. I am not a > very good programmer so Idoubt I can be too much direct help, but I > can do testing & give technical feedback. I have some funds that would > probably translate to $200 US available to help the cause, if its > actually of use. Is there some sort of channel for drual sponsored > projects or is it just simply paying directly whoever is willing (eg > you by the sounds of it, groovy), to dedicate some time to the work? > > Both my own future blog/vlog site, and some other projects, are on > infinite hold waiting for me to do a drupal site properly with the > features I know I want. Drupal has come quite a long way, esp the > video module, and Im confident Drupal with the right modules can do > 80% of what I need right now. Further improvements to video & feed > features are something I care enough about to contribute to > financially, so may actually have more money than stated above > available if this stuff starts to fly. > > There are also weirder things Id like to do if a few other existing > modules did just a bit more, and knew about eachother a little more. I > see google map and timeline modules, and it makes me wonder about > mashing them together with video content uploaded to the site, and > having odd new ways to see peoples videos mapped to time and space. It > might be a dud idea for all I know, but until I see it I wont know if > its a failure, and I dont qutie have the skills to make it happen. > > Cheers > > Steve of Elbows > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Savarino" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'm sure sponsoring a G would improve the chance of adding mRSS to > > the Drupal core (version 5.0), which is still in beta. After the > > final release, all changes to the core modules will be part of the > > next version. > > > > However, mRSS would be easy to add alongside an existing Drupal site... > > > > You could create a new module that generates your mRSS file(s) upon > > each node add/edit, or better yet, just run it every hour w/ the cron > > function built into the module. > > > > If others are interested in Drupal, I'd love to talk more with you. > > > > I'm going to start building add-on modules for version 5... > > > > aggregator: > > - full support for enclosures, mRSS and geoRSS > > > > video: > > - improve add/edit form > > - expand mime-types (currently m4v not used w/ QT) > > - expand services (add myspace video, tagworld, etc) > > - add iTunes feed (w/ customized options like Feedburner) > > > > Email me offlist if you'd like to help out or have other feature > requests. > > > > -Matt > > http://vlogmap.org > > http://ridertech.com > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
We really need a vlog-based CMS. Really, as in really really. If it came from this community, all the better. My choice would be to partner with a hosting provider (Blip) and integrate with their services. I think we already know how it would work, what it would look like, etc. -Rick On 12/5/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why not use HaveMoneyWillVlog to raise funds for this development > effort? > > Or create a new HMWV style project for development... "VlogDevBounty" > anyone? > > -Josh > > On 12/5/06, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > Id love to help out. > > > > Anyway I'll start to talk about it here although I agree that more > > detailed discussions probably belong elsewhere. Is there somewhere we > > can go to talk about this in more detail on the web? Should we talk > > about it on drupal forums or is there better alternatives or reasons > > not to? > > > > I havent tried Drupal 5 beta yet. I plan to install it soon (been > > testing 4.7 previously). From memory, the video module isnt part of > > the core is it? So I guess its not really beneficial to have mediaRSS > > as part of the core unless video is too? > > > > I see the video module is being updated quite a lot recently, seems > > like automatic thumbnails and other stuff got added in November, by > > the looks of CSV messges: > > > > http://drupal.org/project/cvs/25274 > > > > So anyways I was ondering if you will be working with whoever is > > currently maintaining the video module, that sort of thing. I am not a > > very good programmer so Idoubt I can be too much direct help, but I > > can do testing & give technical feedback. I have some funds that would > > probably translate to $200 US available to help the cause, if its > > actually of use. Is there some sort of channel for drual sponsored > > projects or is it just simply paying directly whoever is willing (eg > > you by the sounds of it, groovy), to dedicate some time to the work? > > > > Both my own future blog/vlog site, and some other projects, are on > > infinite hold waiting for me to do a drupal site properly with the > > features I know I want. Drupal has come quite a long way, esp the > > video module, and Im confident Drupal with the right modules can do > > 80% of what I need right now. Further improvements to video & feed > > features are something I care enough about to contribute to > > financially, so may actually have more money than stated above > > available if this stuff starts to fly. > > > > There are also weirder things Id like to do if a few other existing > > modules did just a bit more, and knew about eachother a little more. I > > see google map and timeline modules, and it makes me wonder about > > mashing them together with video content uploaded to the site, and > > having odd new ways to see peoples videos mapped to time and space. It > > might be a dud idea for all I know, but until I see it I wont know if > > its a failure, and I dont qutie have the skills to make it happen. > > > > Cheers > > > > Steve of Elbows > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , > "Matt Savarino" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I'm sure sponsoring a G would improve the chance of adding mRSS to > > > the Drupal core (version 5.0), which is still in beta. After the > > > final release, all changes to the core modules will be part of the > > > next version. > > > > > > However, mRSS would be easy to add alongside an existing Drupal > site... > > > > > > You could create a new module that generates your mRSS file(s) upon > > > each node add/edit, or better yet, just run it every hour w/ the cron > > > function built into the module. > > > > > > If others are interested in Drupal, I'd love to talk more with you. > > > > > > I'm going to start building add-on modules for version 5... > > > > > > aggregator: > > > - full support for enclosures, mRSS and geoRSS > > > > > > video: > > > - improve add/edit form > > > - expand mime-types (currently m4v not used w/ QT) > > > - expand services (add myspace video, tagworld, etc) > > > - add iTunes feed (w/ customized options like Feedburner) > > > > > > Email me offlist if you'd like to help out or have other feature > > requests. > > > > > > -Matt > > > http://vlogmap.org > > > http://ridertech.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
drupal.org is the best place for finding drupal developers to sign on to a project. an open media dev bounty system is something i think i talked to mike mesier about a while back. but focus was lost. actually it was supposed to be part of SpreadTheMedia.org. oh well. sull On 12/5/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why not use HaveMoneyWillVlog to raise funds for this development > effort? > > Or create a new HMWV style project for development... "VlogDevBounty" > anyone? > > -Josh > > > On 12/5/06, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > Id love to help out. > > > > Anyway I'll start to talk about it here although I agree that more > > detailed discussions probably belong elsewhere. Is there somewhere we > > can go to talk about this in more detail on the web? Should we talk > > about it on drupal forums or is there better alternatives or reasons > > not to? > > > > I havent tried Drupal 5 beta yet. I plan to install it soon (been > > testing 4.7 previously). From memory, the video module isnt part of > > the core is it? So I guess its not really beneficial to have mediaRSS > > as part of the core unless video is too? > > > > I see the video module is being updated quite a lot recently, seems > > like automatic thumbnails and other stuff got added in November, by > > the looks of CSV messges: > > > > http://drupal.org/project/cvs/25274 > > > > So anyways I was ondering if you will be working with whoever is > > currently maintaining the video module, that sort of thing. I am not a > > very good programmer so Idoubt I can be too much direct help, but I > > can do testing & give technical feedback. I have some funds that would > > probably translate to $200 US available to help the cause, if its > > actually of use. Is there some sort of channel for drual sponsored > > projects or is it just simply paying directly whoever is willing (eg > > you by the sounds of it, groovy), to dedicate some time to the work? > > > > Both my own future blog/vlog site, and some other projects, are on > > infinite hold waiting for me to do a drupal site properly with the > > features I know I want. Drupal has come quite a long way, esp the > > video module, and Im confident Drupal with the right modules can do > > 80% of what I need right now. Further improvements to video & feed > > features are something I care enough about to contribute to > > financially, so may actually have more money than stated above > > available if this stuff starts to fly. > > > > There are also weirder things Id like to do if a few other existing > > modules did just a bit more, and knew about eachother a little more. I > > see google map and timeline modules, and it makes me wonder about > > mashing them together with video content uploaded to the site, and > > having odd new ways to see peoples videos mapped to time and space. It > > might be a dud idea for all I know, but until I see it I wont know if > > its a failure, and I dont qutie have the skills to make it happen. > > > > Cheers > > > > Steve of Elbows > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , > "Matt Savarino" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I'm sure sponsoring a G would improve the chance of adding mRSS to > > > the Drupal core (version 5.0), which is still in beta. After the > > > final release, all changes to the core modules will be part of the > > > next version. > > > > > > However, mRSS would be easy to add alongside an existing Drupal > site... > > > > > > You could create a new module that generates your mRSS file(s) upon > > > each node add/edit, or better yet, just run it every hour w/ the cron > > > function built into the module. > > > > > > If others are interested in Drupal, I'd love to talk more with you. > > > > > > I'm going to start building add-on modules for version 5... > > > > > > aggregator: > > > - full support for enclosures, mRSS and geoRSS > > > > > > video: > > > - improve add/edit form > > > - expand mime-types (currently m4v not used w/ QT) > > > - expand services (add myspace video, tagworld, etc) > > > - add iTunes feed (w/ customized options like Feedburner) > > > > > > Email me offlist if you'd like to help out or have other feature > > requests. > > > > > > -Matt > > > http://vlogmap.org > > > http://ridertech.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) http://interdigitate.com (otherly) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
We would very happily support such a project. Two ways you could go about it: Base it on something like Wordpress, so that everyone can install it themselves (but this means that everyone would have to find hosting, install it themselves, et cetera). Or you could base it on Wordpress-MU, and we could offer hosting services for it over at blip. For whatever it's worth, we're moving towards offering much better show pages on blip that could potentially fit many people's needs for a Web presence. That's the idea, anyway. > -Original Message- > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Rey > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:42 PM > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > We really need a vlog-based CMS. Really, as in really really. > > If it came from this community, all the better. My choice > would be to partner with a hosting provider (Blip) and > integrate with their services. > > I think we already know how it would work, what it would look > like, etc. > > -Rick > > > On 12/5/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Why not use HaveMoneyWillVlog to raise funds for this development > > effort? > > > > Or create a new HMWV style project for development... > "VlogDevBounty" > > anyone? > > > > -Josh > > > > On 12/5/06, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > wrote: > > > Id love to help out. > > > > > > Anyway I'll start to talk about it here although I agree > that more > > > detailed discussions probably belong elsewhere. Is there > somewhere > > > we can go to talk about this in more detail on the web? Should we > > > talk about it on drupal forums or is there better alternatives or > > > reasons not to? > > > > > > I havent tried Drupal 5 beta yet. I plan to install it soon (been > > > testing 4.7 previously). From memory, the video module > isnt part of > > > the core is it? So I guess its not really beneficial to have > > > mediaRSS as part of the core unless video is too? > > > > > > I see the video module is being updated quite a lot > recently, seems > > > like automatic thumbnails and other stuff got added in > November, by > > > the looks of CSV messges: > > > > > > http://drupal.org/project/cvs/25274 > > > > > > So anyways I was ondering if you will be working with whoever is > > > currently maintaining the video module, that sort of > thing. I am not > > > a very good programmer so Idoubt I can be too much direct > help, but > > > I can do testing & give technical feedback. I have some > funds that > > > would probably translate to $200 US available to help the > cause, if > > > its actually of use. Is there some sort of channel for drual > > > sponsored projects or is it just simply paying directly > whoever is > > > willing (eg you by the sounds of it, groovy), to dedicate > some time to the work? > > > > > > Both my own future blog/vlog site, and some other > projects, are on > > > infinite hold waiting for me to do a drupal site properly > with the > > > features I know I want. Drupal has come quite a long way, esp the > > > video module, and Im confident Drupal with the right > modules can do > > > 80% of what I need right now. Further improvements to > video & feed > > > features are something I care enough about to contribute to > > > financially, so may actually have more money than stated above > > > available if this stuff starts to fly. > > > > > > There are also weirder things Id like to do if a few > other existing > > > modules did just a bit more, and knew about eachother a > little more. > > > I see google map and timeline modules, and it makes me > wonder about > > > mashing them together with video content uploaded to the > site, and > > > having odd new ways to see peoples videos mapped to time > and space. > > > It might be a dud idea for all I know, but until I see it I wont > > > know if its a failure, and I dont qutie have the skills > to make it happen. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Steve of Elbows > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > , > > "Matt Savarino" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
want to see/try my antiquated videoblog hosting service before blip, youtube etc were the kings of this space? this is circa early 2005, around the same time i launched vlogdir.com http://videobloggers.org it is strictly non-profit project hosted with ibiblio.org. and is in accordance with http://www.ibiblio.org/collection.html and finally, it should be torn down and restarted anew... one of these days. it was worked on at the end of 2004 and launched in early 2005 and has not been touched since. you've been warned ;) sull On 12/5/06, Rick Rey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We really need a vlog-based CMS. Really, as in really really. > > If it came from this community, all the better. My choice would be to > partner with a hosting provider (Blip) and integrate with their services. > > I think we already know how it would work, what it would look like, etc. > > -Rick > > On 12/5/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > > Why not use HaveMoneyWillVlog to raise funds for this development > > effort? > > > > Or create a new HMWV style project for development... "VlogDevBounty" > > anyone? > > > > -Josh > > > > On 12/5/06, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > wrote: > > > Id love to help out. > > > > > > Anyway I'll start to talk about it here although I agree that more > > > detailed discussions probably belong elsewhere. Is there somewhere we > > > can go to talk about this in more detail on the web? Should we talk > > > about it on drupal forums or is there better alternatives or reasons > > > not to? > > > > > > I havent tried Drupal 5 beta yet. I plan to install it soon (been > > > testing 4.7 previously). From memory, the video module isnt part of > > > the core is it? So I guess its not really beneficial to have mediaRSS > > > as part of the core unless video is too? > > > > > > I see the video module is being updated quite a lot recently, seems > > > like automatic thumbnails and other stuff got added in November, by > > > the looks of CSV messges: > > > > > > http://drupal.org/project/cvs/25274 > > > > > > So anyways I was ondering if you will be working with whoever is > > > currently maintaining the video module, that sort of thing. I am not a > > > very good programmer so Idoubt I can be too much direct help, but I > > > can do testing & give technical feedback. I have some funds that would > > > probably translate to $200 US available to help the cause, if its > > > actually of use. Is there some sort of channel for drual sponsored > > > projects or is it just simply paying directly whoever is willing (eg > > > you by the sounds of it, groovy), to dedicate some time to the work? > > > > > > Both my own future blog/vlog site, and some other projects, are on > > > infinite hold waiting for me to do a drupal site properly with the > > > features I know I want. Drupal has come quite a long way, esp the > > > video module, and Im confident Drupal with the right modules can do > > > 80% of what I need right now. Further improvements to video & feed > > > features are something I care enough about to contribute to > > > financially, so may actually have more money than stated above > > > available if this stuff starts to fly. > > > > > > There are also weirder things Id like to do if a few other existing > > > modules did just a bit more, and knew about eachother a little more. I > > > see google map and timeline modules, and it makes me wonder about > > > mashing them together with video content uploaded to the site, and > > > having odd new ways to see peoples videos mapped to time and space. It > > > might be a dud idea for all I know, but until I see it I wont know if > > > its a failure, and I dont qutie have the skills to make it happen. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Steve of Elbows > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > , > > "Matt Savarino" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm sure sponsoring a G would improve the chance of adding mRSS to > > > > the Drupal core (version 5.0), which is still in beta. After the > > > > final release, all changes to the core modules will be part of the > > > > next version. > > > > > > > > However, mRSS would be easy to add alongside an existing Drupal > > site... > > > > > > > > You could create a new module that generates your mRSS file(s) upon > > > > each node add/edit, or better yet, just run it every hour w/ the > cron > > > > function built into the module. > > > > > > > > If others are interested in Drupal, I'd love to talk more with you. > > > > > > > > I'm going to start building add-on modules for version 5... > > > > > > > > aggregator: > > > > - full support for enclosures, mRSS and geoRSS > > > > > > > > video: > > > > - improve add/edit form > > > > - expand mime-types (currently m4v not used w/ QT) > > > > - expand services (add myspace video, tagworld, etc) > > > > - add iTunes feed (w/ customized options like Feedburner) > > > > > > > > Email me offlist if you'd like to help out or
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
I like the idea, but wouldn't it serve vloggers on the whole more if it was an addition to wordpress. Also, isn't ourmedia running on drupal. Certainly having rich media feeds from ourmedia would be pretty damn cool as well. I'm torn. Everything needs to do mediaRSS. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog mefeedia.com On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We would very happily support such a project. > > Two ways you could go about it: > > Base it on something like Wordpress, so that everyone can install it > themselves (but this means that everyone would have to find hosting, > install it themselves, et cetera). > > Or you could base it on Wordpress-MU, and we could offer hosting > services for it over at blip. > > For whatever it's worth, we're moving towards offering much better show > pages on blip that could potentially fit many people's needs for a Web > presence. That's the idea, anyway. > > > -Original Message- > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Rey > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:42 PM > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > We really need a vlog-based CMS. Really, as in really really. > > > > If it came from this community, all the better. My choice > > would be to partner with a hosting provider (Blip) and > > integrate with their services. > > > > I think we already know how it would work, what it would look > > like, etc. > > > > -Rick > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Why not use HaveMoneyWillVlog to raise funds for this development > > > effort? > > > > > > Or create a new HMWV style project for development... > > "VlogDevBounty" > > > anyone? > > > > > > -Josh > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > Id love to help out. > > > > > > > > Anyway I'll start to talk about it here although I agree > > that more > > > > detailed discussions probably belong elsewhere. Is there > > somewhere > > > > we can go to talk about this in more detail on the web? Should we > > > > talk about it on drupal forums or is there better alternatives or > > > > reasons not to? > > > > > > > > I havent tried Drupal 5 beta yet. I plan to install it soon (been > > > > testing 4.7 previously). From memory, the video module > > isnt part of > > > > the core is it? So I guess its not really beneficial to have > > > > mediaRSS as part of the core unless video is too? > > > > > > > > I see the video module is being updated quite a lot > > recently, seems > > > > like automatic thumbnails and other stuff got added in > > November, by > > > > the looks of CSV messges: > > > > > > > > http://drupal.org/project/cvs/25274 > > > > > > > > So anyways I was ondering if you will be working with whoever is > > > > currently maintaining the video module, that sort of > > thing. I am not > > > > a very good programmer so Idoubt I can be too much direct > > help, but > > > > I can do testing & give technical feedback. I have some > > funds that > > > > would probably translate to $200 US available to help the > > cause, if > > > > its actually of use. Is there some sort of channel for drual > > > > sponsored projects or is it just simply paying directly > > whoever is > > > > willing (eg you by the sounds of it, groovy), to dedicate > > some time to the work? > > > > > > > > Both my own future blog/vlog site, and some other > > projects, are on > > > > infinite hold waiting for me to do a drupal site properly > > with the > > > > features I know I want. Drupal has come quite a long way, esp the > > > > video module, and Im confident Drupal with the right > > modules can do > > > > 80% of what I need right now. Further improvements to > > video & feed > > > > features are something I care enough about to contribute to > > > > financially, so may actually have more money than stated above > > > > available if this stuff starts to fly. > > > > > > > > There are also weirder things Id like to do if a few > > other existin
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
Den 05.12.2006 kl. 22:41 skrev Rick Rey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > If it came from this community, all the better. My choice would be to > partner with a hosting provider (Blip) and integrate with their services. Blip has an open API. You don't need to partner, you just hook into it. :o) > I think we already know how it would work, what it would look like, etc. Nah. People have very different goals and very different workflows. Making such a CMS is not an easy task. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen http://www.solitude.dk/ >
RE: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
The sooner Drupal goes away the better off we all are. > -Original Message- > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 5:33 PM > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > I like the idea, but wouldn't it serve vloggers on the whole > more if it was an addition to wordpress. > > Also, isn't ourmedia running on drupal. Certainly having rich > media feeds from ourmedia would be pretty damn cool as well. > > I'm torn. Everything needs to do mediaRSS. > > -Mike > mmeiser.com/blog > mefeedia.com > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We would very happily support such a project. > > > > Two ways you could go about it: > > > > Base it on something like Wordpress, so that everyone can > install it > > themselves (but this means that everyone would have to find > hosting, > > install it themselves, et cetera). > > > > Or you could base it on Wordpress-MU, and we could offer hosting > > services for it over at blip. > > > > For whatever it's worth, we're moving towards offering much better > > show pages on blip that could potentially fit many people's > needs for > > a Web presence. That's the idea, anyway. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Rey > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:42 PM > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > We really need a vlog-based CMS. Really, as in really really. > > > > > > If it came from this community, all the better. My choice > would be > > > to partner with a hosting provider (Blip) and integrate > with their > > > services. > > > > > > I think we already know how it would work, what it would > look like, > > > etc. > > > > > > -Rick > > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Why not use HaveMoneyWillVlog to raise funds for this > > > > development effort? > > > > > > > > Or create a new HMWV style project for development... > > > "VlogDevBounty" > > > > anyone? > > > > > > > > -Josh > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Id love to help out. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway I'll start to talk about it here although I agree > > > that more > > > > > detailed discussions probably belong elsewhere. Is there > > > somewhere > > > > > we can go to talk about this in more detail on the > web? Should > > > > > we talk about it on drupal forums or is there better > > > > > alternatives or reasons not to? > > > > > > > > > > I havent tried Drupal 5 beta yet. I plan to install it soon > > > > > (been testing 4.7 previously). From memory, the video module > > > isnt part of > > > > > the core is it? So I guess its not really beneficial to have > > > > > mediaRSS as part of the core unless video is too? > > > > > > > > > > I see the video module is being updated quite a lot > > > recently, seems > > > > > like automatic thumbnails and other stuff got added in > > > November, by > > > > > the looks of CSV messges: > > > > > > > > > > http://drupal.org/project/cvs/25274 > > > > > > > > > > So anyways I was ondering if you will be working with > whoever is > > > > > currently maintaining the video module, that sort of > > > thing. I am not > > > > > a very good programmer so Idoubt I can be too much direct > > > help, but > > > > > I can do testing & give technical feedback. I have some > > > funds that > > > > > would probably translate to $200 US available to help the > > > cause, if > > > > > its actually of use. Is there some sort of channel for drual > > > > > sponsored projects or is it just simply paying directly > > > whoever is > > > > > willing (eg you by the sounds of i
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
are you at a bar drinking beers? On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The sooner Drupal goes away the better off we all are. > > > -Original Message- > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ] > On Behalf Of > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 5:33 PM > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > I like the idea, but wouldn't it serve vloggers on the whole > > more if it was an addition to wordpress. > > > > Also, isn't ourmedia running on drupal. Certainly having rich > > media feeds from ourmedia would be pretty damn cool as well. > > > > I'm torn. Everything needs to do mediaRSS. > > > > -Mike > > mmeiser.com/blog > > mefeedia.com > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > We would very happily support such a project. > > > > > > Two ways you could go about it: > > > > > > Base it on something like Wordpress, so that everyone can > > install it > > > themselves (but this means that everyone would have to find > > hosting, > > > install it themselves, et cetera). > > > > > > Or you could base it on Wordpress-MU, and we could offer hosting > > > services for it over at blip. > > > > > > For whatever it's worth, we're moving towards offering much better > > > show pages on blip that could potentially fit many people's > > needs for > > > a Web presence. That's the idea, anyway. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Rick Rey > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:42 PM > > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > > > We really need a vlog-based CMS. Really, as in really really. > > > > > > > > If it came from this community, all the better. My choice > > would be > > > > to partner with a hosting provider (Blip) and integrate > > with their > > > > services. > > > > > > > > I think we already know how it would work, what it would > > look like, > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > -Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Why not use HaveMoneyWillVlog to raise funds for this > > > > > development effort? > > > > > > > > > > Or create a new HMWV style project for development... > > > > "VlogDevBounty" > > > > > anyone? > > > > > > > > > > -Josh > > > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Id love to help out. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway I'll start to talk about it here although I agree > > > > that more > > > > > > detailed discussions probably belong elsewhere. Is there > > > > somewhere > > > > > > we can go to talk about this in more detail on the > > web? Should > > > > > > we talk about it on drupal forums or is there better > > > > > > alternatives or reasons not to? > > > > > > > > > > > > I havent tried Drupal 5 beta yet. I plan to install it soon > > > > > > (been testing 4.7 previously). From memory, the video module > > > > isnt part of > > > > > > the core is it? So I guess its not really beneficial to have > > > > > > mediaRSS as part of the core unless video is too? > > > > > > > > > > > > I see the video module is being updated quite a lot > > > > recently, seems > > > > > > like automatic thumbnails and other stuff got added in > > > > November, by > > > > > > the looks of CSV messges: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://drupal.org/project/cvs/25274 > > > > > > > > > > > > So anyways I was ondering if you will be working with > > whoever is > > > > > > currently maintaining the video mod
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
You ask because you think that's a crzy thing to say? - Original Message - From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue Dec 05 21:05:49 2006 Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? are you at a bar drinking beers? On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The sooner Drupal goes away the better off we all are. > > > -Original Message- > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ] > On Behalf Of > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 5:33 PM > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > I like the idea, but wouldn't it serve vloggers on the whole > > more if it was an addition to wordpress. > > > > Also, isn't ourmedia running on drupal. Certainly having rich > > media feeds from ourmedia would be pretty damn cool as well. > > > > I'm torn. Everything needs to do mediaRSS. > > > > -Mike > > mmeiser.com/blog > > mefeedia.com > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > We would very happily support such a project. > > > > > > Two ways you could go about it: > > > > > > Base it on something like Wordpress, so that everyone can > > install it > > > themselves (but this means that everyone would have to find > > hosting, > > > install it themselves, et cetera). > > > > > > Or you could base it on Wordpress-MU, and we could offer hosting > > > services for it over at blip. > > > > > > For whatever it's worth, we're moving towards offering much better > > > show pages on blip that could potentially fit many people's > > needs for > > > a Web presence. That's the idea, anyway. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Rick Rey > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:42 PM > > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > > > We really need a vlog-based CMS. Really, as in really really. > > > > > > > > If it came from this community, all the better. My choice > > would be > > > > to partner with a hosting provider (Blip) and integrate > > with their > > > > services. > > > > > > > > I think we already know how it would work, what it would > > look like, > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > -Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Why not use HaveMoneyWillVlog to raise funds for this > > > > > development effort? > > > > > > > > > > Or create a new HMWV style project for development... > > > > "VlogDevBounty" > > > > > anyone? > > > > > > > > > > -Josh > > > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Id love to help out. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway I'll start to talk about it here although I agree > > > > that more > > > > > > detailed discussions probably belong elsewhere. Is there > > > > somewhere > > > > > > we can go to talk about this in more detail on the > > web? Should > > > > > > we talk about it on drupal forums or is there better > > > > > > alternatives or reasons not to? > > > > > > > > > > > > I havent tried Drupal 5 beta yet. I plan to install it soon > > > > > > (been testing 4.7 previously). From memory, the video module > > > > isnt part of > > > > > > the core is it? So I guess its not really beneficial to have > > > > > > mediaRSS as part of the core unless video is too? > > > > > > > > > > > > I see the video module is being updated quite a lot > > > > recently, seems > > > > > > like automatic thumbnails and other stuff got added in > > > > November, by > > > > > > the looks of CSV messges: > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
lol. i suppose, yeah. kinda harsh, even if you're not a fan of drupal. if you dont use it or like it, no harm done. many people do like it and *know* how to use it well. better to have it exist than not ;) sull On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You ask because you think that's a crzy thing to say? > > > - Original Message - > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com < > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com < > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tue Dec 05 21:05:49 2006 > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > are you at a bar drinking beers? > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > The sooner Drupal goes away the better off we all are. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 5:33 PM > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > I like the idea, but wouldn't it serve vloggers on the whole > > > more if it was an addition to wordpress. > > > > > > Also, isn't ourmedia running on drupal. Certainly having rich > > > media feeds from ourmedia would be pretty damn cool as well. > > > > > > I'm torn. Everything needs to do mediaRSS. > > > > > > -Mike > > > mmeiser.com/blog > > > mefeedia.com > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > wrote: > > > > We would very happily support such a project. > > > > > > > > Two ways you could go about it: > > > > > > > > Base it on something like Wordpress, so that everyone can > > > install it > > > > themselves (but this means that everyone would have to find > > > hosting, > > > > install it themselves, et cetera). > > > > > > > > Or you could base it on Wordpress-MU, and we could offer hosting > > > > services for it over at blip. > > > > > > > > For whatever it's worth, we're moving towards offering much better > > > > show pages on blip that could potentially fit many people's > > > needs for > > > > a Web presence. That's the idea, anyway. > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > From: > > > > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of Rick Rey > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:42 PM > > > > > To: > > > > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > > > > > We really need a vlog-based CMS. Really, as in really really. > > > > > > > > > > If it came from this community, all the better. My choice > > > would be > > > > > to partner with a hosting provider (Blip) and integrate > > > with their > > > > > services. > > > > > > > > > > I think we already know how it would work, what it would > > > look like, > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > -Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL > > > > > PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not use HaveMoneyWillVlog to raise funds for this > > > > > > development effort? > > > > > > > > > > > > Or create a new HMWV style project for development... > > > > > "VlogDevBounty" > > > > > > anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > -Josh > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL > > > > > > PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Id love to help out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway I'll start to talk about it here although I agree > > > > > that more > > > > > > > detailed discussions probably belong elsewhere. Is there > > > >
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
It's funny my gut reaction was that we had an imposter posting under Mike Hudack, I've never known him to be so blunt and harsh. But then I've got to say, as a non-programmer... drupal, plone and the whole CMS thing... are atrocities that developers foist onto everyday users... "oh but look at how great it is, and what you can do with it!" He programers it's what YOU can do with it! Drupal, plone and CMS systems are for developers not real live human beings whom are non-uber geeks. I cannot TELL you how many times I've had someone foist drupal, plone or some other CMS on me when all I needed was a PBwiki or a wordpress install. 99.99% of people don't want or need a big swiss army knife of a CMS system. They need the single tool they need and that's it. Just some observations. It's absolutely nothing persoanl with drupal... I actually want drupal and plone and all those other great CMS to succeed... but unless you have a developer on call 24x7 drupal is not for the every user. There, I've really shown my colors. I'm a technological neophyte. The illusion of my knowing anything at all is shattered. :) Peace, -Mike mmeiser.com/blog mefeedia.com On 12/5/06, sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > lol. > i suppose, yeah. > kinda harsh, even if you're not a fan of drupal. > if you dont use it or like it, no harm done. many people do like it and > *know* how to use it well. > better to have it exist than not ;) > > sull > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > You ask because you think that's a crzy thing to say? > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com < > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com < > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Tue Dec 05 21:05:49 2006 > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > are you at a bar drinking beers? > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > The sooner Drupal goes away the better off we all are. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: > > > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > ] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > [EMAIL > > > > PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 5:33 PM > > > > To: > > > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > > > I like the idea, but wouldn't it serve vloggers on the whole > > > > more if it was an addition to wordpress. > > > > > > > > Also, isn't ourmedia running on drupal. Certainly having rich > > > > media feeds from ourmedia would be pretty damn cool as well. > > > > > > > > I'm torn. Everything needs to do mediaRSS. > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > mmeiser.com/blog > > > > mefeedia.com > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL > > > > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > We would very happily support such a project. > > > > > > > > > > Two ways you could go about it: > > > > > > > > > > Base it on something like Wordpress, so that everyone can > > > > install it > > > > > themselves (but this means that everyone would have to find > > > > hosting, > > > > > install it themselves, et cetera). > > > > > > > > > > Or you could base it on Wordpress-MU, and we could offer hosting > > > > > services for it over at blip. > > > > > > > > > > For whatever it's worth, we're moving towards offering much better > > > > > show pages on blip that could potentially fit many people's > > > > needs for > > > > > a Web presence. That's the idea, anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > ] > > > > > On Behalf Of Rick Rey > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:42 PM > > > > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > > > > > > > We really need a vlog-based
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Yeah, it was uncharacteristicallyharsh, it's true. But I stand by my statement. I can think of -- off the top of my head -- at least five projects that either failed or were significantly damaged because of their choice of Drupal as their CMS. Drupal looks great. It looks like it has everything that you need to start a significantly powerful social Web site out of the box, and it looks like it's significantly extensible such that you can add new functionality easily. It even looks like it scales. Well, the features that it does have were designed by software developers without end users in mind. Its code is poorly documented spaghetti that has gotten more programmers into trouble (and nasty back-end rats nests of code bases) than I care to count. And it doesn't scale. I've had more than a couple late-night beer-fueled sessions where CTOs and directors of development cry on my shoulder about their decisions to use Drupal. So, like I say, I think we'd be better off without it. Drupal is like a Siren (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siren). Yours, Mike > -Original Message- > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sull > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:19 PM > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > lol. > i suppose, yeah. > kinda harsh, even if you're not a fan of drupal. > if you dont use it or like it, no harm done. many people do > like it and > *know* how to use it well. > better to have it exist than not ;) > > sull > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > You ask because you think that's a crzy thing to say? > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > < videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > < > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Tue Dec 05 21:05:49 2006 > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > are you at a bar drinking beers? > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > The sooner Drupal goes away the better off we all are. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > com>] > > > On Behalf Of > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 5:33 PM > > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > > > I like the idea, but wouldn't it serve vloggers on the > whole more > > > > if it was an addition to wordpress. > > > > > > > > Also, isn't ourmedia running on drupal. Certainly having rich > > > > media feeds from ourmedia would be pretty damn cool as well. > > > > > > > > I'm torn. Everything needs to do mediaRSS. > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > mmeiser.com/blog > > > > mefeedia.com > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > > > We would very happily support such a project. > > > > > > > > > > Two ways you could go about it: > > > > > > > > > > Base it on something like Wordpress, so that everyone can > > > > install it > > > > > themselves (but this means that everyone would have to find > > > > hosting, > > > > > install it themselves, et cetera). > > > > > > > > > > Or you could base it on Wordpress-MU, and we could > offer hosting > > > > > services for it over at blip. > > > > > > > > > > For whatever it's worth, we're moving towards offering much > > > > > better show pages on blip that could potentially fit many > > > > > people's > > > > needs for > > > > > a Web presence. That's the idea, anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > ups.com>] > > > > > On Behalf Of Rick Rey > > > > > >
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> -Original Message- > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stan > Hirson, Sarah Jones > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 10:10 AM > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > I really have to join in on this one... > > I switched from Blogger and TypePad to a CMS because of the > constraints that the blogging software imposed on me: the > chronologically linear posting, and the way older posts drop > into archive ether. I wanted to explore one subject in depth > as an on-going process. I wanted to have the posts come off a > multi-level menu system so that the visitor could make the > choices of what to see based on content, not a linear > framework that I imposed There are *excellent* reasons to switch from a blogging system to a real CMS. And people should do it. > The CMS I chose was Joomla! It is a very powerful do-anything package. > And, it is true, difficult at times to learn. If you are > interested in a very flexible CMS with a large user-base, I > suggest you take a look at Joomla! You can see how I have > used itg for video on http://hestakaup.com I thin k Joomla is awesome. > As for why a CMS of any kind... > > Some of us do not want to do episodic "shows" or use the > so-called vlog as an audition medium for getting into MSM or > MSE (mainstream entertainment). We want to explore content > and manage our own technology. We want to earn money from our > work without "monetizing". > We want to long-tail it and develop new platforms for > distribution and content. You bet. And a real CMS can be great for episodic content, too. It can be great for text blogs, for building non-linear communities around particular themes, all sorts of great things. CMS platforms are fundamentally Good. > Mike Hudack wrote "The sooner Drupal goes away the better off > we all are." I hope he meant that in some metaphorical sense > that has escaped me, but just in case he meant it > semi-literally I take it that the CMS like Drupal is a threat > to the "shows" that Blip has been promoting. CMS is ideal > for rich media: text, graphics, photos, and videos. The stuff > that gets overlooked by Blip. Nope. I think that the idea of a CMS is great, and I wasn't making a comment with my blip hat on in any way, shape or form. I was speaking specifically of Drupal, based on my past experience with it as a user and the many times I've heard horror stories from people using it. OurMedia, anyone? Just for the record: * I love, support, care for and believe in open source software. * I love, support, care for and believe in open source content management platforms. I just think that the Siren song of Drupal in particular has caused damage in some cases.
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Mike Meiser wrote: > It's funny my gut reaction was that we had an imposter posting under Mike > Hudack, I've never known him to be so blunt and harsh. > > But then I've got to say, as a non-programmer... drupal, plone and the whole > CMS thing... are atrocities that developers foist onto everyday users... "oh > but look at how great it is, and what you can do with it!" How do they foist them on you? Is someone forcing you to install and use a CMS? Years ago everyone thought that a CMS was a solution to a successful and easy to use web site, but it's just a small piece of the puzzle. > I cannot TELL you how many times I've had someone foist drupal, plone or > some other CMS on me when all I needed was a PBwiki or a wordpress install. Some people/organizations need a hell of a lot more than a wiki or blogging software... > 99.99% of people don't want or need a big swiss army knife of a CMS system. > They need the single tool they need and that's it. I guess I fit into that 0.01%... > It's absolutely nothing persoanl with drupal... I actually want drupal and > plone and all those other great CMS to succeed... but unless you have a > developer on call 24x7 drupal is not for the every user. And some people do have a developer on-call 24x7... I've worked with a lot of companies that would have probably been better off hiring someone to install, customize & support Drupal, but instead either had one guy build something in-house that did 10% of what Drupal did (and had just one person knowing the undocumented code) or spent over a million on some portal solution that everyone constantly complains about. Pete
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harm done. many people do like > it and > > > *know* how to use it well. > > > better to have it exist than not ;) > > > > > > sull > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > You ask because you think that's a crzy thing to say? > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > < > > > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > < > > > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Tue Dec 05 21:05:49 2006 > > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > > > are you at a bar drinking beers? > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The sooner Drupal goes away the better off we all are. > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > > From: > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > 40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] com%40mmeiser.com> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 5:33 PM > > > > > > To: > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > > > > > > > I like the idea, but wouldn't it serve vloggers on the whole > > > > > > more if it was an addition to wordpress. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, isn't ourmedia running on drupal. Certainly having > rich > > > > > > media feeds from ourmedia would be pretty damn cool as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm torn. Everything needs to do mediaRSS. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > mmeiser.com/blog > > > > > > mefeedia.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > We would very happily support such a project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two ways you could go about it: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Base it on something like Wordpress, so that everyone can > > > > > > install it > > > > > > > themselves (but this means that everyone would have to > find > > > > > > hosting, > > > > > > > install it themselves, et cetera). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or you could base it on Wordpress-MU, and we could offer > hosting > > > > > > > services for it over at blip. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For whatever it's worth, we're moving towards offering > much better > > > > > > > show pages on blip that could potentially fit many > people's > > > > > > needs for > > > > > > > a Web presence. That's the idea, anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > 40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Rick Rey > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:42 PM > > > > > > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We really need a vlog-based CMS. Really, as in really > really. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it came from this community, all the better. My > choice > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > to partner with a hosting provider (Blip) and integrate > > > > > > with their > > > > > > > > services. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we already know how it would work, what it would > >
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On 12/6/06, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mike Meiser wrote: > > It's funny my gut reaction was that we had an imposter posting under > Mike > > Hudack, I've never known him to be so blunt and harsh. > > > > But then I've got to say, as a non-programmer... drupal, plone and the > whole > > CMS thing... are atrocities that developers foist onto everyday users... > "oh > > but look at how great it is, and what you can do with it!" > > How do they foist them on you? Is someone forcing you to install and use > a CMS? Years ago everyone thought that a CMS was a solution to a > successful and easy to use web site, but it's just a small piece of the > puzzle. I could go trough dozens of cases, but here's one. I needed a photo gallery... what was recommended was plone. I gave it more than a go... thank god flickr came along. Truth is people (always developers) have recommend it for all sorts of collaborative projects, I'm not going to name those projects of which there have been a half dozen to a dozen over the last couple years because they're mostly still sore points. I look at it this way. I was there and particcipated in the development of MediaRSS... and mediaRSS is GREAT stuff, but we overlooked one thing. MediaRSS didn't empower the average blogger, it empowered the feedburner, blip, and all manner of developers. The problem is most bloggers don't have access to their RSS... they don't know how to code RSS, nor how to dig into the underlying layers of applications like Drupal, Moveable type or wrodpress. You cannot specify MediaRSS IN the blog post. Therefore media RSS does not bring the power all the way to the people. Which is precisely what everyone is talking about right now. We're working on a microstandard for marking up content symantically in blog posts so bloggers can take more control over identifying important elements of a post that can be read and translated directly into a higher level language like MediaRSS. Stuff like specifying alternate video and audio formats... identifying your thumbnails so they can be used in databases... specifying the location a video was shot (a standard for this has already been developed), and specifying a license format on the individual video, which also already exists. This will hopefully be simple enough to empower the average blogger, vlogger, podcaster, phtooblogger to make better use out of their blog just like other standards like RelTag... which allowed them to tag their posts. Also, of great importance, hopefully it will improve the visibility and improve the uptake of these technologies in blogging platforms like Moveable type, blogger, and wordpress. So people don't have to know so much about markup language and what it means to semantically identify the elements of your blog post. So... in summary. Drupal failed to get the power to the people. In stead it got about 90% of the way there and then got really really complex and kludgey. Kludge being a term used by naval people... to describe things that made such a sound when they went over the side and into the drink. That said, failure is important... it teachs great lessons, I know I've learned a lot from drupal, even just from this email. Quite simply put there is no coincidence that a discussion of mediaRSS desended into a discussion of the failure of drupal. In many ways mediaRSS hasn't been as successful as it could be because the media plaforms and blogging platforms have failed to allow people to really get a hold of mediaRSS... of which is most obvious with Drupal, but also Moveabletype, Wordpress and especially blogger. There has been a missing link or a week link in the process of collecting and translating metadata through blogs posts. Hopefully this new media microstandard will change this tremendously. > I cannot TELL you how many times I've had someone foist drupal, plone or > > some other CMS on me when all I needed was a PBwiki or a wordpress > install. > > Some people/organizations need a hell of a lot more than a wiki or > blogging software... I like to keep it real, keep it as close to the table as possible... it is easier to start with a shovel and realize you need a back hoe than to buy a backhoe and realize you only needed a shovel... or to just have the project fail because the 2-3 core people developing the project don't know how to use a backhoe. > 99.99% of people don't want or need a big swiss army knife of a CMS > system. > > They need the single tool they need and that's it. > > I guess I fit into that 0.01%... I meant you no insult. But absolutely, you are a programmer aren't you. :) 99.999% of people are not programmers, don't know how to configure drupal, don't know have the skills necissary. So yes I suspect you are that .01%, and I bear you absolutely no ill will. I just ask you to remember that on projects requiring CMS, that probably the majority of the people will never look under the hood, know how to change the oil, or
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
hold up. first, yeah Drupal is at its core a framework. Not a CMS. It naturally can be used as a CMS. It can also be used as a singler person blog. In fact, there is a verion of Drupal with fat trimmed off to be ONLY a blogging engine. I have used Drupal for many different purposes. It has worked very well as an intranet environment for companies I have worked for and with. I use it at SpreadTheMedia.org as a basic blog. I've used it to be a CMS for organizations. The only time I was involved with Drupal for what turned out to be a high-traffic site, was Ourmedia.org. I am very well aware of Ourmedia's shortcomings but can tell you that most of the problems were a result of the Drupal Core but more so with modules and temporary "throw-away" glue code as well as hardware issues. I have heard both positive and negative case studies of larger-scale deployments involving Drupal. With that said, Drupal Core improves with every release. To say it should be gone is really short-sighted and well i will just leave it at that. Regarding Media RSS... as I already pointed out, generated media rss is not hard to do. it's especially not as hard as some are making it out to be. The issue is Publishers have not needed it in this space... or at least they didnt need it badly enough thus far. But its benefit is made more clear as everyone evolves here. This was known by those involved in creating the spec. Things like Media RSS take time to penetrate. No surprise there. Media RSS didnt fail anyone. It's need is coming from an organic evolution of publishers and it was initially more often used by developers. Again, no shock at all. If Apple decided to use Media RSS instead of there stupid namespace, then we would have a different story now wouldnt we? Since Wordpress is most everyones choice for blogging engines... and if users truly needed Media RSS in the past, then we would have had at the very least a recipe to do it... if not an actual plugin or addition to the core. In Wordpress, RSS is generated and output using templates. So, you could create a template by referring to the Media RSS spec. To inject logical data/content into these Media RSS feeds, you could just add custom fields to Wordpress that are made available during posting. The values are variables that can be added to the Media RSS template. I DONT use Wordpress hardley ever only on multi-userblogs like evilvlog. I dont develop anything for Wordpress. I dont know much about Wordpress. But this aforementioned approach, albeit not the best, would get the job done and wouldnt take a $1000 to do it either. Why hasnt it been done? Not because Media RSS has failed anyone... That much I know. Else, as I also mentioned, there must be tens to hundreds of XML/RSS generator scripts out there that can be used to output Media RSS based on Mysql database or other sources of data. Many I am sure are free. That is an approach that can be taken to add companion functionality to ANY CMS or blogging engine. And last Feedburner why hasnt feedburner added media RSS already? Maybe because not enough people have demanded it? Could that be it? ;) Sull On 12/6/06, Mike Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 12/6/06, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > Mike Meiser wrote: > > > It's funny my gut reaction was that we had an imposter posting under > > Mike > > > Hudack, I've never known him to be so blunt and harsh. > > > > > > But then I've got to say, as a non-programmer... drupal, plone and the > > whole > > > CMS thing... are atrocities that developers foist onto everyday > users... > > "oh > > > but look at how great it is, and what you can do with it!" > > > > How do they foist them on you? Is someone forcing you to install and use > > a CMS? Years ago everyone thought that a CMS was a solution to a > > successful and easy to use web site, but it's just a small piece of the > > puzzle. > > I could go trough dozens of cases, but here's one. > > I needed a photo gallery... what was recommended was plone. I gave it more > than a go... thank god flickr came along. > > Truth is people (always developers) have recommend it for all sorts of > collaborative projects, I'm not going to name those projects of which > there > have been a half dozen to a dozen over the last couple years because > they're > mostly still sore points. > > I look at it this way. I was there and particcipated in the development of > MediaRSS... and mediaRSS is GREAT stuff, but we overlooked one thing. > MediaRSS didn't empower the average blogger, it empowered the feedburner, > blip, and all manner of developers. The problem is most bloggers don't > have > access to their RSS... they don't know how to code RSS, nor how to dig > into > the underlying layers of applications like Drupal, Moveable type or > wrodpress. You cannot specify MediaRSS IN the blog post. > > Therefore media RSS does not bring the power all the way to the people. > > Whic
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
I used to include alternate media (real) in my MRSS but I couldn't find anyone, including Yahoo that seemed to implement it in a reader - so I went to seperate feeds as a better solution. joly --- WWWhatsup NYC http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com ---
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what?
"I can think of -- off the top of my head -- at least five projects that either failed or were significantly damaged because of their choice of Drupal as their CMS" I can think of 3 that I know of personally. So yes, "Drupal considered dangerous for startups" is probably a fair warning. But it's not really meant for startups. Or it shouldn't be. I also know of a few social sites that use it successfully and have loads of users. But they've been around, they are not startups really. Peter On 12/6/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, it was uncharacteristicallyharsh, it's true. But I stand by my > statement. I can think of -- off the top of my head -- at least five > projects that either failed or were significantly damaged because of > their choice of Drupal as their CMS. Drupal looks great. It looks like > it has everything that you need to start a significantly powerful social > Web site out of the box, and it looks like it's significantly extensible > such that you can add new functionality easily. It even looks like it > scales. > > Well, the features that it does have were designed by software > developers without end users in mind. Its code is poorly documented > spaghetti that has gotten more programmers into trouble (and nasty > back-end rats nests of code bases) than I care to count. And it doesn't > scale. I've had more than a couple late-night beer-fueled sessions > where CTOs and directors of development cry on my shoulder about their > decisions to use Drupal. > > So, like I say, I think we'd be better off without it. Drupal is like a > Siren (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siren). > > Yours, > > Mike > > > -Original Message- > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ] > On Behalf Of sull > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:19 PM > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > lol. > > i suppose, yeah. > > kinda harsh, even if you're not a fan of drupal. > > if you dont use it or like it, no harm done. many people do > > like it and > > *know* how to use it well. > > better to have it exist than not ;) > > > > sull > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > You ask because you think that's a crzy thing to say? > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > < videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > < > > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Tue Dec 05 21:05:49 2006 > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > are you at a bar drinking beers? > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The sooner Drupal goes away the better off we all are. > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > com>] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 5:33 PM > > > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > > > > > I like the idea, but wouldn't it serve vloggers on the > > whole more > > > > > if it was an addition to wordpress. > > > > > > > > > > Also, isn't ourmedia running on drupal. Certainly having rich > > > > > media feeds from ourmedia would be pretty damn cool as well. > > > > > > > > > > I'm torn. Everything needs to do mediaRSS. > > > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > mmeiser.com/blog > > > > > mefeedia.com > > > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > wrote: > > > > > > We would very happily support such a project. > > > > > > > > > > > > Two ways you could go about it: > > > > > > > > > > > > Base it on something like Wordpress, so that everyone can > > > > > install it &
