"I can think of -- off the top of my head -- at least five projects that either failed or were significantly damaged because of their choice of Drupal as their CMS"
I can think of 3 that I know of personally. So yes, "Drupal considered dangerous for startups" is probably a fair warning. But it's not really meant for startups. Or it shouldn't be. I also know of a few social sites that use it successfully and have loads of users. But they've been around, they are not startups really. Peter On 12/6/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, it was uncharacteristicallyharsh, it's true. But I stand by my > statement. I can think of -- off the top of my head -- at least five > projects that either failed or were significantly damaged because of > their choice of Drupal as their CMS. Drupal looks great. It looks like > it has everything that you need to start a significantly powerful social > Web site out of the box, and it looks like it's significantly extensible > such that you can add new functionality easily. It even looks like it > scales. > > Well, the features that it does have were designed by software > developers without end users in mind. Its code is poorly documented > spaghetti that has gotten more programmers into trouble (and nasty > back-end rats nests of code bases) than I care to count. And it doesn't > scale. I've had more than a couple late-night beer-fueled sessions > where CTOs and directors of development cry on my shoulder about their > decisions to use Drupal. > > So, like I say, I think we'd be better off without it. Drupal is like a > Siren (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siren). > > Yours, > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of sull > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:19 PM > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > lol. > > i suppose, yeah. > > kinda harsh, even if you're not a fan of drupal. > > if you dont use it or like it, no harm done. many people do > > like it and > > *know* how to use it well. > > better to have it exist than not ;) > > > > sull > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mike%40blip.tv>> wrote: > > > > > > You ask because you think that's a crzy thing to say? > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > < videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>> > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> < > > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>> > > > Sent: Tue Dec 05 21:05:49 2006 > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > are you at a bar drinking beers? > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > <mike%40blip.tv><mike%40blip.tv>> wrote: > > > > > > > > The sooner Drupal goes away the better off we all are. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com<videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups. > > > > > com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <groups-yahoo-com%40mmeiser.com> > > > > > <groups-yahoo-com%40mmeiser.com><groups-yahoo-com%40mmeiser.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 5:33 PM > > > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com<videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > > > > > I like the idea, but wouldn't it serve vloggers on the > > whole more > > > > > if it was an addition to wordpress. > > > > > > > > > > Also, isn't ourmedia running on drupal. Certainly having rich > > > > > media feeds from ourmedia would be pretty damn cool as well. > > > > > > > > > > I'm torn. Everything needs to do mediaRSS. > > > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > mmeiser.com/blog > > > > > mefeedia.com > > > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mike%40blip.tv> > > <mike%40blip.tv><mike%40blip.tv>> wrote: > > > > > > We would very happily support such a project. > > > > > > > > > > > > Two ways you could go about it: > > > > > > > > > > > > Base it on something like Wordpress, so that everyone can > > > > > install it > > > > > > themselves (but this means that everyone would have to find > > > > > hosting, > > > > > > install it themselves, et cetera). > > > > > > > > > > > > Or you could base it on Wordpress-MU, and we could > > offer hosting > > > > > > services for it over at blip. > > > > > > > > > > > > For whatever it's worth, we're moving towards offering much > > > > > > better show pages on blip that could potentially fit many > > > > > > people's > > > > > needs for > > > > > > a Web presence. That's the idea, anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > <videoblogging%40yahoogro > > > > > > > ups.com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Rick Rey > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:42 PM > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Media RSS what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We really need a vlog-based CMS. Really, as in > > really really. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it came from this community, all the better. My choice > > > > > would be > > > > > > > to partner with a hosting provider (Blip) and integrate > > > > > with their > > > > > > > services. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we already know how it would work, what it would > > > > > look like, > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Joshua Kinberg > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <jkinberg%40gmail.com> > <jkinberg%40gmail.com><jkinberg%40gmail.com > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not use HaveMoneyWillVlog to raise funds for this > > > > > > > > development effort? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or create a new HMWV style project for development... > > > > > > > "VlogDevBounty" > > > > > > > > anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Josh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/5/06, Steve Watkins > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <steve%40dvmachine.com> > <steve%40dvmachine.com><steve%40dvmachin > > > > > > > > e.com> > > > > > > > > > > > <steve%40dvmachine.com>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Id love to help out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway I'll start to talk about it here although I agree > > > > > > > that more > > > > > > > > > detailed discussions probably belong elsewhere. Is there > > > > > > > somewhere > > > > > > > > > > > > we can go to talk about this in more detail on the > > > > > web? Should > > > > > > > > > we talk about it on drupal forums or is there better > > > > > > > > > alternatives or reasons not to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I havent tried Drupal 5 beta yet. I plan to install it > > > > > > > > > soon (been testing 4.7 previously). From > > memory, the video > > > > > > > > > module > > > > > > > isnt part of > > > > > > > > > the core is it? So I guess its not really beneficial to > > > > > > > > > have mediaRSS as part of the core unless video is too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see the video module is being updated quite a lot > > > > > > > recently, seems > > > > > > > > > like automatic thumbnails and other stuff got added in > > > > > > > November, by > > > > > > > > > the looks of CSV messges: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://drupal.org/project/cvs/25274 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So anyways I was ondering if you will be working with > > > > > whoever is > > > > > > > > > currently maintaining the video module, that sort of > > > > > > > thing. I am not > > > > > > > > > a very good programmer so Idoubt I can be too > > much direct > > > > > > > help, but > > > > > > > > > I can do testing & give technical feedback. I have some > > > > > > > funds that > > > > > > > > > would probably translate to $200 US available > > to help the > > > > > > > cause, if > > > > > > > > > its actually of use. Is there some sort of channel for > > > > > > > > > drual sponsored projects or is it just simply paying > > > > > > > > > directly > > > > > > > whoever is > > > > > > > > > willing (eg you by the sounds of it, groovy), > > to dedicate > > > > > > > some time to the work? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both my own future blog/vlog site, and some other > > > > > > > projects, are on > > > > > > > > > infinite hold waiting for me to do a drupal > > site properly > > > > > > > with the > > > > > > > > > features I know I want. Drupal has come quite a > > long way, > > > > > > > > > esp the video module, and Im confident Drupal with the > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > modules can do > > > > > > > > > 80% of what I need right now. Further improvements to > > > > > > > video & feed > > > > > > > > > features are something I care enough about to > > contribute > > > > > > > > > to financially, so may actually have more money than > > > > > stated above > > > > > > > > > available if this stuff starts to fly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are also weirder things Id like to do if a few > > > > > > > other existing > > > > > > > > > modules did just a bit more, and knew about eachother a > > > > > > > little more. > > > > > > > > > I see google map and timeline modules, and it makes me > > > > > > > wonder about > > > > > > > > > mashing them together with video content uploaded to the > > > > > > > site, and > > > > > > > > > having odd new ways to see peoples videos mapped to time > > > > > > > and space. > > > > > > > > > It might be a dud idea for all I know, but until I > > > > > see it I wont > > > > > > > > > know if its a failure, and I dont qutie have the skills > > > > > > > to make it happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve of Elbows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups. > > > > > > > > > com><videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > > > "Matt Savarino" > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure sponsoring a G would improve the chance of > > > > > > > adding mRSS to > > > > > > > > > > the Drupal core (version 5.0), which is still in beta. > > > > > > > After the > > > > > > > > > > final release, all changes to the core modules will be > > > > > > > part of the > > > > > > > > > > next version. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, mRSS would be easy to add alongside > > an existing > > > > > > > > > > Drupal > > > > > > > > site... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You could create a new module that generates your > > > > > mRSS file(s) > > > > > > > > > > upon each node add/edit, or better yet, just run it > > > > > > > every hour w/ > > > > > > > > > > the cron function built into the module. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If others are interested in Drupal, I'd love to talk > > > > > > > more with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm going to start building add-on modules > > for version 5... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggregator: > > > > > > > > > > - full support for enclosures, mRSS and geoRSS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > video: > > > > > > > > > > - improve add/edit form > > > > > > > > > > - expand mime-types (currently m4v not used w/ QT) > > > > > > > > > > - expand services (add myspace video, tagworld, etc) > > > > > > > > > > - add iTunes feed (w/ customized options like > > > > > > > > > > Feedburner) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Email me offlist if you'd like to help out or > > have other > > > > > > > > > > feature > > > > > > > > > requests. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Matt > > > > > > > > > > http://vlogmap.org > > > > > > > > > > http://ridertech.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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