[videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-27 Thread Enric 
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Oct 26, 2005, at 2:40 PM, Irish Hermit wrote:
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> > wrote:
> > > I guess it's a matter of definition... I obviously don't agree  
> > with your
> > > definition of 'television' which to me requires licenses, towers,  
> > lots
> > > of staff, advertisers, lawyers, sizable audiences, etc...
> >
> > From Wikepedia: The word television is a hybrid word, created from  
> > both Greek and Latin. Tele- is Greek for "far", while -vision is  
> > from the Latin visio, meaning "vision" or "sight".   Whether it's  
> > broadcast over the air or narrowcast over the internet it's still  
> > the delivery of moving pictures and audio over a distance
> Good point.  I think common usage will be the determining factor, and  
> I'm leaning towards Andreas' assertion that "Lost" purchased through  
> iTunes Music Store is still "television" while Rocketboom is not  
> (Andreas, please correct me if I'm mischaracterizing what you had to  
> say).
> > > Personally I consider email and blogs giant leaps in how we  
> > communicate.
> >
> > > I think this discussion right here is proof of that.
> >
> > Email si, blogs no!  Blogs are nothing more than a direct  
> > descendent of mimeographed family newsletters.  The technology is  
> > new, the idea is old.
> And e-mail isn't a direct descendent of the Pony Express or the  
> letters to the Corinthians or whatever?
> 
> These types of communication are constant themes in human history...  
> we just keep improving them.
>


There's a strong tendency among technologists to see a ideal state
coming out of a new technology.  That technology will give rise to
expressions and freedoms we are just starting to taste.  While
technology has made a pivotal difference in humans to all aspects --
health, mobility, sight, sound, thought, etc.  Technology itself is
neutral.  There's been a heated discussion in blogs on Nicholas Carr's
Amorility entry,

http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2005/10/the_amorality_o.php

While I don't agree completely on Carr's assertions, I do think there
is a point about technology being neutral.  It is human nature that
give technology meaning.

Then the question is the qualities of human nature.  Has it changed in
the last last 10,000 years since the agricultural revolution (and
before that) or not?  If not, then looking from characteristics human
nature one can predict roughtly how a new technology can be used and
what it will become.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-27 Thread Mat Wall-Smith 

On 27/10/05 10:05 PM, "Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:34:40 +0200, Mat Wall-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
>> Well I think I'd prefer granularity for the sake of expression.

Ok. Maybe we are speaking at false ends.

> 
> That's what I said.
> 
>> And the word academic is not ambiguous to me and I doubt it is to you.
> 
> I don't know if you academic in the way of 'as related to work done at
> universities' or academic in the way of 'having no practical purpose'.
> There's a huge difference. The first I can agree with to an extent - no
> one is doing much about this, and if it takes academics to put the
> spotlight in the topic, I don't know why that should be a bad thing. The
> second is a bit silly and possible a bit insulting.


I am research student and teach new media theory and production.nuff said.

> 
>> The potential for a distinctly networked videography remains exactly
>> that.
>> Adrian's work explores that potential but I am not sure those elements
>> are
>> any more (or less) important than the short form content, regular posts,
>> syndication, and the various forms of dialogical interaction that are to
>> some degree explored by RB amongst others.
> 
> I didn't say that interactivity is a requirement, or that content created
> with interactivity is automatically 'better' than content created without
> ('better' being impossible to determine anyway). I'm saying there is
> bloggy video, and there is non-bloggy video and they're not the same. I'm
> saying that there are multiple factors that make up a videoblog and one of
> these factors is how bloggy the video content is. And I'm saying that a
> videoblog with non-bloggy video is not as 'bloggy' as a videoblog with
> bloggy video. I'm saying there is this and there is that and that's how it
> is.

Oh..thats how it is..great..

> 
> Personally I would like to see people trying to make more bloggy video. I
> like the web, and I like to explore how video and the web (ie. the blog)
> can be combined and benifit from each other.


 Some times I get very
> impatient because I don't want to wait 10 years until regular people
> figure out that you can do more than just same old video on the web.
> 
> It's not like interactivity automatically implies grandiose performance
> art pieces. Simple links to what you're talking about is a great thing.
> Whenever I hear things like 'As Johnny said yesterday...' in a videoblog I
> cringe because there isn't a link to Johnny's blog post, and there is no
> reason why there shouldn't be a link there.
> 
> - Andreas




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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-27 Thread andrew michael baron 


On Oct 27, 2005, at 1:38 AM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 02:04:47 +0200, andrew michael baron  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Am I making the right inferences? No, damnit. You didn't pay attention. I said this is NOT a case of  either/or. It's NOT about "this is a videoblog and this is not a  videoblog". It's a case of "to which degree is this videobloggy". It's a  continuum.- Andreas-- Ok, if you want to talk "degree", lets get back to percentages. You stated that Rocketboom is "not very bloggy".Therefore, based on that assessement, and taking into consideration everything I know about the definition of a weblog, I think its fair to say that 99.9% of the people here on this list who consider themselves to be videobloggers, with full-fledged videoblogs, creating videoblog posts on a regular basis while answering peoples questions when asked "what is videoblogging" and even teaching how to videoblog, are not at all, or to a "not so much" degree. I just don't see how that could be. I think there is a much greater percentage of blogginess going on out there - so much so, the points you are making seem so trivial. It just seems strange to me to hear you talk so much about one particular future quality of the format which does not define the videoblog at all as it is right now.In that case I think what you are talking about is not even a definition. It's a mere hope.I hope for the same thing, but lets be realistic about what is actually going on around here. 

  




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-27 Thread Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen 
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:34:40 +0200, Mat Wall-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> Well I think I'd prefer granularity for the sake of expression.

That's what I said.

> And the word academic is not ambiguous to me and I doubt it is to you.

I don't know if you academic in the way of 'as related to work done at  
universities' or academic in the way of 'having no practical purpose'.  
There's a huge difference. The first I can agree with to an extent - no  
one is doing much about this, and if it takes academics to put the  
spotlight in the topic, I don't know why that should be a bad thing. The  
second is a bit silly and possible a bit insulting.

> The potential for a distinctly networked videography remains exactly  
> that.
> Adrian's work explores that potential but I am not sure those elements  
> are
> any more (or less) important than the short form content, regular posts,
> syndication, and the various forms of dialogical interaction that are to
> some degree explored by RB amongst others.

I didn't say that interactivity is a requirement, or that content created  
with interactivity is automatically 'better' than content created without  
('better' being impossible to determine anyway). I'm saying there is  
bloggy video, and there is non-bloggy video and they're not the same. I'm  
saying that there are multiple factors that make up a videoblog and one of  
these factors is how bloggy the video content is. And I'm saying that a  
videoblog with non-bloggy video is not as 'bloggy' as a videoblog with  
bloggy video. I'm saying there is this and there is that and that's how it  
is.

Personally I would like to see people trying to make more bloggy video. I  
like the web, and I like to explore how video and the web (ie. the blog)  
can be combined and benifit from each other. Some times I get very  
impatient because I don't want to wait 10 years until regular people  
figure out that you can do more than just same old video on the web.

It's not like interactivity automatically implies grandiose performance  
art pieces. Simple links to what you're talking about is a great thing.  
Whenever I hear things like 'As Johnny said yesterday...' in a videoblog I  
cringe because there isn't a link to Johnny's blog post, and there is no  
reason why there shouldn't be a link there.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-27 Thread Mat Wall-Smith 

Well I think I'd prefer granularity for the sake of expression.
And the word academic is not ambiguous to me and I doubt it is to you.

The potential for a distinctly networked videography remains exactly that.
Adrian's work explores that potential but I am not sure those elements are
any more (or less) important than the short form content, regular posts,
syndication, and the various forms of dialogical interaction that are to
some degree explored by RB amongst others.


Cheers.

Mat.




On 27/10/05 8:59 PM, "Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Why do you say granularity for the sake of granularity? That's not a goal.
> Granularity for the sake of creating works that embrace the workings of
> the web could be one. I don't know what to make of your comment about it
> being academic - the word is ambiguous.
> 
> - Andreas
> 
> On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:46:53 +0200, Mat Wall-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
>> Not yet its not Andreas...in fact granularity for granularity's sake is
>> particularly tedious..at the moment then the 'interest' is purely
>> academic
>> 
>> 
>> On 27/10/05 3:39 PM, "Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:08:21 +0200, Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 As we've been collectively defining
 videoblogging by practicing it for a while now it seems to me that
 the highly granular, hyper-texty video that Andreas holds in high
 regard is only a small part of videoblogging - and it's not the main
 part.
>>> 
>>> But it's the most interesting part. :o)
>>> 
>>> - Andreas
>> 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-27 Thread Verdi 
On Oct 27, 2005, at 5:46 AM, Mat Wall-Smith wrote:

> Not yet its not Andreas...in fact granularity for granularity's  
> sake is
> particularly tedious..at the moment then the 'interest' is purely
> academic

Exactly.  I agree.  I said in my Vlog Anarchy video that I love  
interactive things and I love to see more of it.  My background is  
performance art.  In 1995 I did a movement/text/video piece that  
performed in the round with a quad-stereo soundtrack and  
improvisational lighting.  The order of the sections were determined  
randomly by my daughter (Dylan - 1.5 yrs old) before each  
performance.  Part of that was about creating a different performance  
for each audience member each night.  It was one of my experiments in  
creating non-linear live performances.  It was heavily influenced by  
this web thing I'd been looking at for about a year and those Avid  
non-linear video editors that I'd only read about in magazines.   
Anyway, my point is that the performance was much more interesting  
conceptually than it was as an experience from the audiences point of  
view.  In that respect I don't think it was much different from other  
artworks created with similar intentions.  The closest thing I've  
seen to a satisfying, non-linear, interactive story or experience is  
"Riven" the second Myst game.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-27 Thread Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen 
Why do you say granularity for the sake of granularity? That's not a goal.  
Granularity for the sake of creating works that embrace the workings of  
the web could be one. I don't know what to make of your comment about it  
being academic - the word is ambiguous.

- Andreas

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:46:53 +0200, Mat Wall-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> Not yet its not Andreas...in fact granularity for granularity's sake is
> particularly tedious..at the moment then the 'interest' is purely
> academic
>
>
> On 27/10/05 3:39 PM, "Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:08:21 +0200, Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As we've been collectively defining
>>> videoblogging by practicing it for a while now it seems to me that
>>> the highly granular, hyper-texty video that Andreas holds in high
>>> regard is only a small part of videoblogging - and it's not the main
>>> part.
>>
>> But it's the most interesting part. :o)
>>
>> - Andreas
>
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-27 Thread Mat Wall-Smith 
Not yet its not Andreas...in fact granularity for granularity's sake is
particularly tedious..at the moment then the 'interest' is purely
academic


On 27/10/05 3:39 PM, "Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:08:21 +0200, Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> As we've been collectively defining
>> videoblogging by practicing it for a while now it seems to me that
>> the highly granular, hyper-texty video that Andreas holds in high
>> regard is only a small part of videoblogging - and it's not the main
>> part.
> 
> But it's the most interesting part. :o)
> 
> - Andreas




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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread David Meade 



I'm sure this wouldnt matter to those that champion the use of links within videos ...

but would that break ipod compatability of the video?  (they
obviously wouldnt be able to follow the links, but I mean would the
video no longer even play on an iPod if I were to experiment with this
in-video linking?)On 10/27/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:08:21 +0200, Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> As we've been collectively defining> videoblogging by practicing it for a while now it seems to me that
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen 
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:08:21 +0200, Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> As we've been collectively defining
> videoblogging by practicing it for a while now it seems to me that
> the highly granular, hyper-texty video that Andreas holds in high
> regard is only a small part of videoblogging - and it's not the main
> part.

But it's the most interesting part. :o)

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen 
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 02:04:47 +0200, andrew michael baron  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Am I making the right inferences?

No, damnit. You didn't pay attention. I said this is NOT a case of  
either/or. It's NOT about "this is a videoblog and this is not a  
videoblog". It's a case of "to which degree is this videobloggy". It's a  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread Verdi 
On Oct 26, 2005, at 7:04 PM, andrew michael baron wrote:

> And also, it seems as though, for the most part then, 99.9% of the
> people on the yahoo videoblog list that say they have videoblogs do
> not, according to your definition.

What he's said about that in the past is that most of us are  
practicing a "lower" form of videoblogging.  At least that's the way  
I understand what he's said.  I do believe he makes some valid and  
important points but I also think he puts too much emphasis on what  
he terms "bloggy video."  As we've been collectively defining  
videoblogging by practicing it for a while now it seems to me that  
the highly granular, hyper-texty video that Andreas holds in high  
regard is only a small part of videoblogging - and it's not the main  
part.

Maybe if more people practiced that kind of videoblogging it would be  
widely seen as defining it.  Thus my whole thing about "quit typing  
about what you think a videoblog is and go make a videoblog about  
what you think a videoblog is."  Give us examples.  Lots of  
examples.  Compelling examples.

Pretty soon we'll have lots of examples of television as "video  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread andrew michael baron 
It sounds like according to your definition of a videoblog then, the  
example you sited of Steve Garfield's would not really allow for  
defining his website as a videoblog, or even as having a videoblog  
component, but rather, he created one video that you host on your  
site which you call a single videoblog? In otherwods, Steve has not  
produced anything that could be defined as a videoblog, since this  
piece with the hyperlinks?

And the reference to Human Dog - wouldn't it also then be correctly  
inferred from your definition that thehuman dog has a bit of content  
that passes for videoblogs but that most of what Chris posts that he  
calls a videoblog, is not?

And also, it seems as though, for the most part then, 99.9% of the  
people on the yahoo videoblog list that say they have videoblogs do  
not, according to your definition.

Am I making the right inferences?



On Oct 26, 2005, at 6:06 PM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:36:16 +0200, andrew michael baron
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>> So give an example. Is there anyone out there now who has a
>> "videoblog" and post's videobloggy posts? Can you give a link and
>> describe what sets it apart?
>>
>
> As for pointing out of the blog there are time-based hyperlinks.  
> Such as
> "Steve Garfield With Added Links"  http://solitude.dk/archives/20041123-2323/ > - I have more of that  
> type
> spread over my own blog. Adrian Miles have more complex ways of
> referencing outside sources and providing links within video. I  
> think my
> next personal example will be a picture-in-picture quote where the  
> little
> picture will be a link to whatever I'm quoting.
>
> Regarding the 'one thought' concept my current baby of the series  
> about
> The Haberek at Human-Dog http://www.human-dog.com/lab/?cat=7  
> >. This
> story could have been told as one big video, but instead it was  
> told as
> seven seperate entries. Each able to stand alone. Now I can  
> reference that
> one subset I want to talk about. Lately I've also enjoyed "Lorem  
> Ipsum"
>  from Dave H http://davemedia.blogspot.com/ > for the same  
> reasons. I
> use these as examples because it's easy to see how these could have  
> been
> built as traditional video, not because the concept of 'one  
> thought' only
> applies to series.
>
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen 
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:36:16 +0200, andrew michael baron  
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> So give an example. Is there anyone out there now who has a
> "videoblog" and post's videobloggy posts? Can you give a link and
> describe what sets it apart?

As for pointing out of the blog there are time-based hyperlinks. Such as  
"Steve Garfield With Added Links" http://solitude.dk/archives/20041123-2323/ > - I have more of that type  
spread over my own blog. Adrian Miles have more complex ways of  
referencing outside sources and providing links within video. I think my  
next personal example will be a picture-in-picture quote where the little  
picture will be a link to whatever I'm quoting.

Regarding the 'one thought' concept my current baby of the series about  
The Haberek at Human-Dog http://www.human-dog.com/lab/?cat=7 >. This  
story could have been told as one big video, but instead it was told as  
seven seperate entries. Each able to stand alone. Now I can reference that  
one subset I want to talk about. Lately I've also enjoyed "Lorem Ipsum"  
 from Dave H http://davemedia.blogspot.com/ > for the same reasons. I  
use these as examples because it's easy to see how these could have been  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread andrew michael baron 
So give an example. Is there anyone out there now who has a  
"videoblog" and post's videobloggy posts? Can you give a link and  
describe what sets it apart?

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>> So what are some examples of "bloggy" content, under your seemingly
>> unusal, extremist and militant definition?
>>
>
> What did I do to deserve that kind of phrasing? You were all up in  
> arms
> about naming rocketboom 'new media'. I'm just trying to point out  
> that as
> far as new media go rocketboom is pretty conservative new media in the
> sense that the video content is not made up of new media. The 'new'  
> coming
>  from the content around the video on the entry's location.
>
> If we see 'videoblog' as the fusion of blog and video, you  
> obviously have
> to have something from both. But it varies how much any given blogger
> takes from both. It's not a question of 'either/or', but a question  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen 
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:04:42 +0200, andrew michael baron  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So what are some examples of "bloggy" content, under your seemingly
> unusal, extremist and militant definition?

What did I do to deserve that kind of phrasing? You were all up in arms  
about naming rocketboom 'new media'. I'm just trying to point out that as  
far as new media go rocketboom is pretty conservative new media in the  
sense that the video content is not made up of new media. The 'new' coming  
 from the content around the video on the entry's location.

If we see 'videoblog' as the fusion of blog and video, you obviously have  
to have something from both. But it varies how much any given blogger  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread andrew michael baron 
So what are some examples of "bloggy" content, under your seemingly  
unusal, extremist and militant definition?

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>>> Another important part of bloggy text is that it's hypertext, ie.
>>> any bit
>>> can be a link to somewhere else. Rocketboom doesn't work like that
>>> either.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yes it does. Thats one of the special qualities that makes it
>> different than TV. We link to the content that we discuss. This is
>> not embedded in the video at this time, but the video alone is not
>> the videoblog. The blog is there too.
>>
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen 
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:31:23 +0200, andrew michael baron  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Another important part of bloggy text is that it's hypertext, ie.
>> any bit
>> can be a link to somewhere else. Rocketboom doesn't work like that
>> either.
>>
>
> Yes it does. Thats one of the special qualities that makes it
> different than TV. We link to the content that we discuss. This is
> not embedded in the video at this time, but the video alone is not
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread Mike Hudack 


On Oct 26, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Pete Prodoehl wrote:Irish Hermit wrote: 2. Vlogs are nothing more than homemade television on the internet.  Get over it folks.  I've been around too long to think of it as nothing more than another installment in a long line of the "next great thing" that will change how we all communicate.  Email and webpages with hypertext were monumental changes.  Blogs and vlogs are just adding an already existing technology to webpages.  Laptops will replace the cumbersome television console in the middle of the living room.  Ipods and other small players will become the Dick Tracy writstwatch tv's we've been waiting for.  But at the end of the day it's still television. I guess it's a matter of definition... I obviously don't agree with your definition of 'television' which to me requires licenses, towers, lots of staff, advertisers, lawyers, sizable audiences, etc...Personally I consider email and blogs giant leaps in how we communicate. I think this discussion right here is proof of that.I'm probably foolish to wade in here, but I'll do it tentatively.  I'll issue the disclaimer that I know far less about this than a lot of the other people participating in this discussion.  I had to google McLuhan.There is "video" and "television."  Television was the first real broadcast video medium available to us (do we want to count Edison's moving pictures?).  It requires licenses, towers, lots of staff, advertisers, lawyers and the rest.  It is extremely expensive, but it came to dominate the way we talk about video.To a great extent the content broadcast using television is dictated by the medium.  The medium is expensive, so the content must be of a type that can garner a large audience.  It has to appeal, generally speaking, to a lowest common denominator.The same thing was true of text.  Books and newspapers were really expensive to publish, pamphlets less so but still expensive.  The Web drastically reduced the cost of getting a text message out the door and into people's minds... the blog represents the next step (the ultimate step?) in the cheapening (in a good way, I mean "it's getting less expensive" and not "less good") of textual communication.As the text blog was to the newspaper, magazine or pamphlet (maybe more appropriately the Xerox'd 'zine) the video blog is and should be to television, FedEx'd VHS tapes and public access television.So there is clearly a difference between the formats, but in the end it's about one thing: delivering a moving picture to some number of people efficiently.  For videoblogs "some number" can be much smaller than for television.  Which is fantastic.I'm ignoring, by the way, the social factors of the different mediums -- they're fascinating, and pertinent, but I've already gone on long enough.  Comments, trackbacks, quoting, participatory media, oh my!3. To those who say the difference here is that no one can tell us what to say:  That's not true.  There are plenty of laws on libel, slander, pornography, national defence, and copyright that limit what you can say on your vlog.  Most ISP have limits in their terms of service on things like "hate speech".  You can't do anything you want.Ok, maybe 'no one can tell us what to say' is a little too literal. It's more like 'I don't have to base what I can say off of what will piss off the advertisers, my boss, or get my license revoked' Most television aims to please the advertisers and audience. Today most videoblogs do not have these concerns.If you think videoblogs are the same as television, why bother watching them? Can't you just watch tv and get all the same stuff?Is watching a vlog on a television "watching tv" or "watching a videoblog" or "watching video" or what?Yours,Mike

  




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread Pete Prodoehl 
andrew michael baron wrote:
> 
> Most important to me in particular, in everything that is going on,  
> is intent. That's why I would say Mobuzz, as a Rocketboom copycat, is  
> shit because their intent is like a commercial factory in the  
> elements they choose to emulate with. As long as Public Eye's intent  
> is sincere, I hope they flourish and I am flattered that they are  
> trying to emulate our setup. BTW, almost every blog on blogger or  
> type-pad is just a clone of each other in this way as well, if thats  
> how you stand to look at it.
> 
> What you are seeing that has changed though is that we are doing what  
> we want to do and our intent is very much like the intent of any  
> weblogger who presents commentary on the the world. Plenty of ideas  
> adopted from the old with plenty of ideas for the new.

Summary: "intent matters"

I completely agree, and I think it's why you see things like 
open-source, weblogs, podcasting and videoblogs becoming more important. 
These are all bottom-up things, they were not started by companies or 
product managers, they are ideas and movements that were/are defined by 
their intent. Sure, corporations and businesses will utilize them, but 
they couldn't have created them.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread Pete Prodoehl 
Irish Hermit wrote:
> 
> 2. Vlogs are nothing more than homemade television on the internet.  
> Get over it folks.  I've been around too long to think of it as 
> nothing more than another installment in a long line of the "next 
> great thing" that will change how we all communicate.  Email and 
> webpages with hypertext were monumental changes.  Blogs and vlogs 
> are 
> just adding an already existing technology to webpages.  Laptops 
> will 
> replace the cumbersome television console in the middle of the 
> living 
> room.  Ipods and other small players will become the Dick Tracy 
> writstwatch tv's we've been waiting for.  But at the end of the day 
> it's still television.

I guess it's a matter of definition... I obviously don't agree with your 
definition of 'television' which to me requires licenses, towers, lots 
of staff, advertisers, lawyers, sizable audiences, etc...

Personally I consider email and blogs giant leaps in how we communicate. 
I think this discussion right here is proof of that.


> 3. To those who say the difference here is that no one can tell us 
> what to say:  That's not true.  There are plenty of laws on libel, 
> slander, pornography, national defence, and copyright that limit 
> what 
> you can say on your vlog.  Most ISP have limits in their terms of 
> service on things like "hate speech".  You can't do anything you 
> want.

Ok, maybe 'no one can tell us what to say' is a little too literal. It's 
more like 'I don't have to base what I can say off of what will piss off 
the advertisers, my boss, or get my license revoked' Most television 
aims to please the advertisers and audience. Today most videoblogs do 
not have these concerns.

If you think videoblogs are the same as television, why bother watching 
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[videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread Amanda Congdon 
I think Andrew was comparing Rocketboom to Boing Boing not visually,
but content-wise. RB is essentially a link blog… or a link videoblog
rather. On the days we are doing news (which is the majority of the
time) we are just pointing out stories and linking to them.  We dig up
what we find to be interesting around the web (and we believe we have
similar taste to sites such as Boing Boing, hence the example) and
send our viewers to those sites. 

Additionally, unlike TV where the host is completely unavailable to
his or her audience, I am there listening and emailing with viewers. I
also say literally whatever I want without any kind of sensor, because
I don't have to answer to conservative advertisers.  As for "hate
speech"… umm… I wouldn't be doing that anyway, so yeah, maybe I can't
do ANYTHING, but I can do anything I'd want to do. 

What I've come to understand from this first year of RB is that a
video blog "show" audience wants to get to know the host, and a lot of
RB watchers tell me they feel a connection to me, because I share more
of myself than a TV host. Sure, it's not a personal videoblog, but
it's still a lot more personal than television.  I think it's one of
the things that separate us from TV. Another thing is that RB doesn't
dumb down information. Unlike most of TV, we assume our audience is
smart, not stupid. We don't work to make sure EVERYONE "gets it"…we
don't play to the lowest common denominator. Of course, not all of TV
plays dumb, but lots of it does. 

We also incorporate our audience a lot more than TV. Our audience
sends in videos and stories, and many, many of them we use (and place
a "thank you" link to give credit). If ever we mess up a fact, you can
be sure we'll be notified within minutes after the episode is posted
by an attentive viewer. Sure, people write in to the TV shows they
watch, but do they ever get a response? Usually not.  

We make changes! We take the blame when we screw up! We listen! 

RB is truly a collaborative effort with our audience. They really work
with us to steer the show. Many folks didn't like Tom Delay's mugshot
on Monday… so you know what? We showed some alternative versions on
Tuesday… that kind of thing. Like I said before, we really, really
listen… something I think TV fails to do miserably.

I am not trying to say we don't have anything in common with TV,
that'd be an idiotic claim. What I am saying is that RB is not just
IPTV, even without the links and comments. All new media borrows from
the old, but RB definitely is new media.

As for The Public Eye, your right Tomas, let's give `em a break 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread andrew michael baron 
Ok, ok, give me a few days. I'll write it up for you in a way that  
wont be offensive or defensive (I admit to being overly offensive and  
defensive at the same time).

Most of these kinds of criticisms stem from little to no research in  
the history of the weblog. Rocketboom is a quenisential videoblog. So  
are personal videoblogs.

All of this is a very different format than TV. Stand by, I'll spell  
it out for you from at least one perspective and you will be able to  
see how we fit together instead of trying to tare us apart or say  
that it's something different.

Most important to me in particular, in everything that is going on,  
is intent. That's why I would say Mobuzz, as a Rocketboom copycat, is  
shit because their intent is like a commercial factory in the  
elements they choose to emulate with. As long as Public Eye's intent  
is sincere, I hope they flourish and I am flattered that they are  
trying to emulate our setup. BTW, almost every blog on blogger or  
type-pad is just a clone of each other in this way as well, if thats  
how you stand to look at it.

What you are seeing that has changed though is that we are doing what  
we want to do and our intent is very much like the intent of any  
weblogger who presents commentary on the the world. Plenty of ideas  
adopted from the old with plenty of ideas for the new.

As for any counter behind the claim that we are able to do whatever  
we want, of course we can not do illegal activity. That's not  
relevant to what we can do that you can't do on TV. Relatively  
speaking, if its legal in the world, we can do that. TV has its own  
more narrow set of rules and requirements.









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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread Richard Bennett-Forrest 
>I'm giving up on this argument, it seems that these days it is 
>impossible to criticise RB, they can obviously do no wrong.

You're not an exception to the rule Duncan. It's just that most 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread duncan speakman 




u take away the technicalities?
If you don't see anything, it just seems like you may be missing some of the tools needed to be able to see.
 ahh.. sorry, this was me being dumb, I didn't read that as linked
to the previous line... i guess you mean if i take away RSS et al I
won;t see anything? well, that would be a valid point  if we were
talking about the whole concept of 'rocketboom', but we're not are we.
we're just talking about the moving pictures in the frame.

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[videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread Irish Hermit 
A few thoughts about this thread:

1. Public eye just started.  Give 'em a break before you start 
calling 
them a clone of anyone.  There's too much of a "hipper than thou" 
attitude here.

2. Vlogs are nothing more than homemade television on the internet.  
Get over it folks.  I've been around too long to think of it as 
nothing more than another installment in a long line of the "next 
great thing" that will change how we all communicate.  Email and 
webpages with hypertext were monumental changes.  Blogs and vlogs 
are 
just adding an already existing technology to webpages.  Laptops 
will 
replace the cumbersome television console in the middle of the 
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writstwatch tv's we've been waiting for.  But at the end of the day 
it's still television.

3. To those who say the difference here is that no one can tell us 
what to say:  That's not true.  There are plenty of laws on libel, 
slander, pornography, national defence, and copyright that limit 
what 
you can say on your vlog.  Most ISP have limits in their terms of 
service on things like "hate speech".  You can't do anything you 
want.

All the best,
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread duncan speakman 




Lets take a look again at your original blab, which I would call very patronizing:
"a
rocketboom clone? ..erm... you know.. call me crazy but i'm sure i've
seen casual presenters sitting there telling us about stuff with a cue
sheet in their hand before somewhere, hmm.. i think it might have been
called television. rocketboom have
a style all of their own, but they certainly didn't create that visual
presentation format... any 'trendy' shows on Channel 4 (uk), MTV et al
from the late 80s and early nineties... "
ok andrew, this is getting silly, now you're getting into digging and
rewinding? my original statement was a comment about the whole 'this is
a rocketboom clone' idea which keeps floating around.. it was targeted
at no one in particular, referenced no-ones knowledge level and most
importantly contained both a compliment and a statement which clarified
what i was talking about , i.e. 'visual presentation format'.  I
really don't understand why you are being so defensive about this?
surely 'you' are aware that rocketboom is influenced by televisual
presentation styles, that is one of the reasons for it's success,
people get the irony and humour because of its references to other
media.


If you don't see anything, it just seems like you may be missing some of the tools needed to be able to see.

ok i have to admit i don't understand this statement. sorry

be well

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread andrew michael baron 


On Oct 26, 2005, at 11:12 AM, duncan speakman wrote: On 10/26/05, andrew michael baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I standby my claim: you have a lot to learn about new media. as i mentioned before. there is no need to be patronising.. it's too much of let down to have to send you my CV andrew, so please trust me.. i know a fair amount about new media.Lets take a look again at your original blab, which I would call very patronizing:"a rocketboom clone? ..erm... you know.. call me crazy but i'm sure i've seen casual presenters sitting there telling us about stuff with a cue sheet in their hand before somewhere, hmm.. i think it might have been called television. rocketboom have a style all of their own, but they certainly didn't create that visual presentation format... any 'trendy' shows on Channel 4 (uk), MTV et al from the late 80s and early nineties... "This was your next response:"lol... there's no need to be patronising andrew, i was only talking about visual content/style.. take away the RSS and the links shown below the video and what do you have? "So you say, there is no need to be patronizing, and yet you patronize? Is this not the presentation of a magician?And to your answer? What is left when you take away the technicalities?If you don't see anything, it just seems like you may be missing some of the tools needed to be able to see.




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread duncan speakman 



On 10/26/05, andrew michael baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I standby my claim: you have a lot to learn about new media.
as i mentioned before. there is no need to be patronising.. it's too
much of let down to have to send you my CV andrew, so please trust me..
i know a fair amount about new media.
 I
would start by having a look at the blog format and asking yourself how
blogging is different from writing for a newspaper.  Would you say
the Boing Boing is just doing the same thing as the New York Times?
diid you actually read my previous post? i said (and now say for the
final time) i was referring to VISUAL STYLE AND CONTENT ONLY, not
delivery medium, not external context, not distribution..etc etc
etc,  
Referencing BoingBoing is a poorly thought example when we're talking
about visual style and content. BB has text and image on its page, but
that text contains (visible) hypertext links, there are images in full
colour and some animated adverts, none of which is seen in the New York
Times, what is in the visual content of Rocketboom videos that isn't on
television? 
 Or,
if you are like most personal videobloggers, ask yourself 'how is a
blogging different than a writing a personal diary?"Once
you mull that over for awhile, you may be more prepared to start
considering how video on a blog is different than video on a TV. That's
just one angle, but it may be a good starting point.
leave it out andrew, if you want a sensible and educated debate i'm all
up for it, but please make sure you actually read and understand the
points i made before coming back with the usual 'how video on a blog is
different', that hasn't ever been my point.
 It
may be important to take into consideration not only how they are
different, but how each platform informs the content as well.
yes.. i've read McLuhan too


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[videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread Steve Watkins 
There must be some valid reasons that rocketboom is more likely to be
compared to TV than other videoblogs are. Certainly to me it appears
to have borrowed more from traditional TV shows than many other
videoblogs. I bet that for every difference between rocketboom &
traditional TV that you can come up with, I can come up with a similarity.

If such comparisons offend you then tough, you should have used a more
original format in the first place, rather than defending yourself by
making proclamations about how little others understand new media.

It certainly felt lik an old media experience when the promised h264
PSP feed not only failed to materialise as scheduled, but the PSP
version dissapeared completely without obvious explanation. 

Steve of Elbows

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron
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> I standby my claim: you have a lot to learn about new media.
> 
> I would start by having a look at the blog format and asking yourself  
> how blogging is different from writing for a newspaper.  Would you  
> say the Boing Boing is just doing the same thing as the New York Times?
> 
> Or, if you are like most personal videobloggers, ask yourself 'how is  
> a blogging different than a writing a personal diary?"
> 
> Once you mull that over for awhile, you may be more prepared to start  
> considering how video on a blog is different than video on a TV.  
> That's just one angle, but it may be a good starting point.
> 
> It may be important to take into consideration not only how they are  
> different, but how each platform informs the content as well.
> 
> 
> 
> > Duncan:
> >
> > i don;t think this is a valid difference in terms of content.. it  
> > is referencing the medium it exists in. There have been (too) many  
> > television shows that cut to clips of other tv shows, so an online  
> > show that references other online shows is only natural..
> > and andrew, yes you have possibilities.. but i was ONLY talking  
> > about the style of the show, not what it represents.. it was not a  
> > criticism, i was just pointing out that is unfair to say that other  
> > online news (i use that term VERY loosly ;) ) shows shouldn't be  
> > accussed of ripping off rocketboom just because they are irreverant  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread Mat Wall-Smith 
Title: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone





Hmmm...so much to learn so little time...
Rocketboom sucks way more than Public Eye.
Where’s my t-shirt.

mat

On 27/10/05 12:10 AM, "andrew michael baron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I standby my claim: you have a lot to learn about new media.

I would start by having a look at the blog format and asking yourself how blogging is different from writing for a newspaper.  Would you say the Boing Boing is just doing the same thing as the New York Times?

Or, if you are like most personal videobloggers, ask yourself 'how is a blogging different than a writing a personal diary?"

Once you mull that over for awhile, you may be more prepared to start considering how video on a blog is different than video on a TV. That's just one angle, but it may be a good starting point.

It may be important to take into consideration not only how they are different, but how each platform informs the content as well.



Duncan:
 
 i don;t think this is a valid difference in terms of content.. it is referencing the medium it exists in. There have been (too) many television shows that cut to clips of other tv shows, so an online show that references other online shows is only natural..
 and andrew, yes you have possibilities.. but i was ONLY talking about the style of the show, not what it represents.. it was not a criticism, i was just pointing out that is unfair to say that other online news (i use that term VERY loosly ;) ) shows shouldn't be accussed of ripping off rocketboom just because they are irreverant and/or have a single female presenter. It's like saying Bill Hicks rips off Richard Pryor because they both stood alone on stage telling jokes.
 



  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread andrew michael baron 


I standby my claim: you have a lot to learn about new media.I would start by having a look at the blog format and asking yourself how blogging is different from writing for a newspaper.  Would you say the Boing Boing is just doing the same thing as the New York Times?Or, if you are like most personal videobloggers, ask yourself 'how is a blogging different than a writing a personal diary?"Once you mull that over for awhile, you may be more prepared to start considering how video on a blog is different than video on a TV. That's just one angle, but it may be a good starting point.It may be important to take into consideration not only how they are different, but how each platform informs the content as well.Duncan:  i don;t think this is a valid difference in terms of content.. it is referencing the medium it exists in. There have been (too) many television shows that cut to clips of other tv shows, so an online show that references other online shows is only natural.. and andrew, yes you have possibilities.. but i was ONLY talking about the style of the show, not what it represents.. it was not a criticism, i was just pointing out that is unfair to say that other online news (i use that term VERY loosly ;) ) shows shouldn't be accussed of ripping off rocketboom just because they are irreverant and/or have a single female presenter. It's like saying Bill Hicks rips off Richard Pryor because they both stood alone on stage telling jokes.   SPONSORED LINKS  Individual  Fireant  Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 

  




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread duncan speakman 



On 10/26/05, jonny goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




I also think RB's connection to internet and geek culture in the way it cuts to clips from the 
web, or things that have to do with net culture differentiate it from shows that existed 
before the web. 

i don;t think this is a valid difference in terms of content.. it is
referencing the medium it exists in. There have been (too) many
television shows that cut to clips of other tv shows, so an online show
that references other online shows is only natural..
and andrew, yes you have possibilities.. but i was ONLY talking about
the style of the show, not what it represents.. it was not a criticism,
i was just pointing out that is unfair to say that other online news (i
use that term VERY loosly ;) ) shows shouldn't be accussed of ripping
off rocketboom just because they are irreverant and/or have a single
female presenter. It's like saying Bill Hicks rips off Richard Pryor
because they both stood alone on stage telling jokes.






  
  
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[videoblogging] Re: Public Eye - West Coast RocketBoom Clone

2005-10-26 Thread jonny goldstein 
I also think RB's connection to internet and geek culture in the way it cuts to 
clips from the 
web, or things that have to do with net culture differentiate it from shows 
that existed 
before the web. 

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> Well, one thing we have Duncan is a possibility. Since no one can  
> tell us what to say or what to do and because we can afford it, one  
> difference between Rocketboom and a TV show is that we can do  
> whatever we would like.
> 
> On Oct 26, 2005, at 6:59 AM, duncan speakman wrote:
> 
> > lol... there's no need to be patronising andrew, i was only talking  
> > about visual content/style.. take away the RSS and the links shown  
> > below the video and what do you have?
> >
> > On 10/26/05, andrew michael baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > If you dont see any difference between Rocketboom and a TV show of
> > the late 80's, you are probably missing quite a bit in terms of
> > understanding new media.
> >
> > On Oct 26, 2005, at 5:45 AM, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote:
> >
> > > Same difference.
> >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:43:01 +0200, duncan speakman
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> a rocketboom clone? ..erm... you know.. call me crazy but i'm sure
> > >> i've
> > >> seen
> > >> casual presenters sitting there telling us about stuff with a cue
> > >> sheet
> > >> in
> > >> their hand before somewhere, hmm.. i think it might have been  
> > called
> > >> television.
> > >> rocketboom have a style all of their own, but they certainly didn't
> > >> create
> > >> that visual presentation format... any 'trendy' shows on Channel 4
> > >> (uk),
> > >> MTV
> > >> et al from the late 80s and early nineties...
> > >>
> > >> On 10/26/05, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> no feed and not a blog.
> > >>> Its a faux blog.
> > >>>
> > >>> -Josh
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 10/25/05, Richard Show <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>>
> > 
> >  they don't have a feed that I can say ... won't get far without
> >  that
> > 
> > >>> ...
> > >>>
> >  Richard
> > 
> >  On 10/25/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:52:13 +0200, Jack Olmsted <
> > >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> The autoload MP4 stream did not work on my PC (audio only, no
> > >>
> > > video),
> > >
> > >> but the downloadable archive clips did play fine with Windows
> > >>
> > >>> Media
> > >>>
> > >> Player.
> > >>
> > >
> > > It loaded up fine using the Quicktime plugin here (Win XP/Opera
> > > 8).
> > >
> > >
> > >> I really don't like the news report audio. It sounds like they
> > >> are
> > >> using the camera mike. Over time, hopefully they will invest  
> > in a
> > >> lapel mic.
> > >>
> > >
> > > She's wearing a lapel mike, though the wire goes over her boob
> > >
> > >>> instead
> > >>>
> > > of
> > > up the shirt. Dunno why they did it that way.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I'm glad to see more videoblogs with a Grand Plan,  
> > but I'm
> > >
> > >>> sad
> > >>>
> > > to
> > > see JARC (Just Another Rocketboom Clone). And they should
> > > definitely
> > > quit
> > > the green screen. It looks like the host has got a giant  
> > halo. :o)
> > > The host is good looking and all, but 3 minutes without cutting
> > > away
> > > gets
> > > very tedious.
> > >
> > > Oh well, they've only posted three episodes. I'm sure things  
> > will
> > > change.
> > > :o)
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