Re: [videoblogging] Re: Remember when videoblogging was...
Useful email tip: Set the junk mail filters in your mail program to exclude and automatically delete mail from distasteful posters. Chris Weagel www.human-dog.com On Dec 17, 2005, at 8:08 PM, bottomunion wrote: > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Make some more p-money bird vids while you're at it ;) >> Susan >> http://vlog.kitykity.com > > Susan, I think you have Bottom Union mixed up with Human Dog. We > have nothing to do > with Human Dog and the flith they're spewing over there. > > Erik Nelson > www.bottomunion.com > >> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Weagel >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> God, you're right. >>> >>> Call in the UN. A great tragedy has befallen this once great giant. >>> >>> I sob for those days when it was just Jay and I in a tent together >>> working on our novels. >>> >>> Jesus. This has caused me to really look into my life and really >>> question things. >>> >>> As a result I'm going to go off into the forest for a few months and >>> get re-acquainted with the video-blogging I knew. >>> >>> Thanks for this awakening. >>> >>> You have any workbooks or seminars that I could buy/attend? >>> >>> Chris Weagel >>> www.human-dog.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Dec 17, 2005, at 1:53 PM, chris_koehn wrote: >>> ...independent journalism? ...connecting people? ...the occasional interesting artistic tidbit? ...criticized for being too banal? ...an endless debate on what it really was? Now it's just myspace.com with video. And it's worse than blogging, with all the self promotion. People seem to act like the more they throw their link around, the better chance they have of being famous. It wasn't about that. Or maybe I was just being naive to think that something interesting/important like this would not be marketed from within by a bunch of sellouts. I see a few projects with a purpose coming together, and perhaps the communications part is still a major use of videoblogging. Maybe there's hope. I was never part of an old boy's network, but I was videoblogging when there were a handful of people on this list. I have seen this whole thing get transformed into something I don't like. I even once left this list because I was causing trouble by criticizing folks who spammed up the place with pseudo-philosophical ramblings about the nature of videoblogging rather than simply making content. It was kinda funny how some people who never really made anything had the energy and insight to define it... Well what do I know, my RSS feed shows only a handful of the glorious number of subscribers I once had (when I cared and tried), who wants to listen to me? I guess I will just scour fireant for the occasional gem, and stay subscribed to some of the stalwarts who crank out decent stuff. Bottom line: you videoblog, don't quit your day job. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM --- - ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >> > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM > > ~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Remember when videoblogging was...
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Make some more p-money bird vids while you're at it ;) > Susan > http://vlog.kitykity.com Susan, I think you have Bottom Union mixed up with Human Dog. We have nothing to do with Human Dog and the flith they're spewing over there. Erik Nelson www.bottomunion.com > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Weagel > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > God, you're right. > > > > Call in the UN. A great tragedy has befallen this once great giant. > > > > I sob for those days when it was just Jay and I in a tent together > > working on our novels. > > > > Jesus. This has caused me to really look into my life and really > > question things. > > > > As a result I'm going to go off into the forest for a few months and > > get re-acquainted with the video-blogging I knew. > > > > Thanks for this awakening. > > > > You have any workbooks or seminars that I could buy/attend? > > > > Chris Weagel > > www.human-dog.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 17, 2005, at 1:53 PM, chris_koehn wrote: > > > > > ...independent journalism? > > > > > > ...connecting people? > > > > > > ...the occasional interesting artistic tidbit? > > > > > > ...criticized for being too banal? > > > > > > ...an endless debate on what it really was? > > > > > > > > > Now it's just myspace.com with video. And it's worse than blogging, > > > with all the self > > > promotion. People seem to act like the more they throw their link > > > around, the better > > > chance they have of being famous. It wasn't about that. Or maybe I > > > was just being naive to > > > think that something interesting/important like this would not be > > > marketed from within by > > > a bunch of sellouts. > > > > > > I see a few projects with a purpose coming together, and perhaps > > > the communications > > > part is still a major use of videoblogging. Maybe there's hope. I > > > was never part of an old > > > boy's network, but I was videoblogging when there were a handful of > > > people on this list. I > > > have seen this whole thing get transformed into something I don't > > > like. I even once left > > > this list because I was causing trouble by criticizing folks who > > > spammed up the place with > > > pseudo-philosophical ramblings about the nature of videoblogging > > > rather than simply > > > making content. It was kinda funny how some people who never really > > > made anything had > > > the energy and insight to define it... > > > > > > Well what do I know, my RSS feed shows only a handful of the > > > glorious number of > > > subscribers I once had (when I cared and tried), who wants to > > > listen to me? I guess I will > > > just scour fireant for the occasional gem, and stay subscribed to > > > some of the stalwarts > > > who crank out decent stuff. > > > > > > Bottom line: you videoblog, don't quit your day job. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > ~--> > > > AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM > > > > > > ~-> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Remember when videoblogging was...
Make some more p-money bird vids while you're at it ;) Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Weagel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > God, you're right. > > Call in the UN. A great tragedy has befallen this once great giant. > > I sob for those days when it was just Jay and I in a tent together > working on our novels. > > Jesus. This has caused me to really look into my life and really > question things. > > As a result I'm going to go off into the forest for a few months and > get re-acquainted with the video-blogging I knew. > > Thanks for this awakening. > > You have any workbooks or seminars that I could buy/attend? > > Chris Weagel > www.human-dog.com > > > > > > On Dec 17, 2005, at 1:53 PM, chris_koehn wrote: > > > ...independent journalism? > > > > ...connecting people? > > > > ...the occasional interesting artistic tidbit? > > > > ...criticized for being too banal? > > > > ...an endless debate on what it really was? > > > > > > Now it's just myspace.com with video. And it's worse than blogging, > > with all the self > > promotion. People seem to act like the more they throw their link > > around, the better > > chance they have of being famous. It wasn't about that. Or maybe I > > was just being naive to > > think that something interesting/important like this would not be > > marketed from within by > > a bunch of sellouts. > > > > I see a few projects with a purpose coming together, and perhaps > > the communications > > part is still a major use of videoblogging. Maybe there's hope. I > > was never part of an old > > boy's network, but I was videoblogging when there were a handful of > > people on this list. I > > have seen this whole thing get transformed into something I don't > > like. I even once left > > this list because I was causing trouble by criticizing folks who > > spammed up the place with > > pseudo-philosophical ramblings about the nature of videoblogging > > rather than simply > > making content. It was kinda funny how some people who never really > > made anything had > > the energy and insight to define it... > > > > Well what do I know, my RSS feed shows only a handful of the > > glorious number of > > subscribers I once had (when I cared and tried), who wants to > > listen to me? I guess I will > > just scour fireant for the occasional gem, and stay subscribed to > > some of the stalwarts > > who crank out decent stuff. > > > > Bottom line: you videoblog, don't quit your day job. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ~--> > > AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM > > > > ~-> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Remember when videoblogging was...
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "chris_koehn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ...an endless debate on what it really was? Sure, but right now I'm feeling like I have to argue on behalf of cinema in general. Crazy stuff... > I even once left > this list because I was causing trouble by criticizing folks who spammed up the place with > pseudo-philosophical ramblings about the nature of videoblogging rather than simply > making content. It was kinda funny how some people who never really made anything had > the energy and insight to define it... I agree with a lot of what you have to say about people videoblogging for self-serving purporses (but, then, a lot of people do a lot of things for self-serving purposes; it's the nature of people), but I think this here is a little wrongheaded. Non-practicing critics, academics, and so on, are to some extent--a great extent, I would argue--required. You might not think so, but videoblogs are ripe for academic study (I'm going to be writing a thesis on them soon, and am currently preparing a paper on 'Chasing Windmills'; I'm also a practicing videoblogger, however, so perhaps that doesn't count). Sometimes the people in the midst of a movement lack the skills or, in your case, desire to theorise it in the context of art history, socio-political history, psychoanalysis, feminism, all these various fields of thought. You might think it wank, but so be it. Remember, Chris, the videoblogger isn't an island. While we might develop and further the form from within, we ourselves are influenced from without. Academic discourse, criticism, and so on, can help us to see where we've come from and where we might go. Pseudo-philosophical ramblings are worth something. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Remember when videoblogging was...
It has changed quite a bit. it hasn't gone way of mySpace otherwise we'd all be rich. I think it is harder now to find what you want...you have to filter. This is what happens when things be come pop then culture. --- missbhavens1969 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you really think videoblogging ISN'T those > things, anymore? Has it really changed that > much in such a brief period of time? The first three > points on your list are exactly why I > watch videoblogs, and the last one is why I avoid > this yahoo group. > > Every day in my little aggregator I find gems in > independent journalism, people connecting > and MORE than the occasional artistic tidbit. Bigger > than tidbits. Whole pieces, really. > Mondo chunks. Mega slabs. You get the idea. > > Bekah > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "chris_koehn" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > ...independent journalism? > > > > ...connecting people? > > > > ...the occasional interesting artistic tidbit? > > > > ...criticized for being too banal? > > > > ...an endless debate on what it really was? > > > > > > Now it's just myspace.com with video. > > > > MIck I http://www.idvfilms.blogspot.com http://www.idvfilms.com Aloha __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Remember when videoblogging was...
Do you really think videoblogging ISN'T those things, anymore? Has it really changed that much in such a brief period of time? The first three points on your list are exactly why I watch videoblogs, and the last one is why I avoid this yahoo group. Every day in my little aggregator I find gems in independent journalism, people connecting and MORE than the occasional artistic tidbit. Bigger than tidbits. Whole pieces, really. Mondo chunks. Mega slabs. You get the idea. Bekah --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "chris_koehn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ...independent journalism? > > ...connecting people? > > ...the occasional interesting artistic tidbit? > > ...criticized for being too banal? > > ...an endless debate on what it really was? > > > Now it's just myspace.com with video. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
