[videoblogging] Re: The audience of ten

[Steve Watkins]

Do youtube groups count as this sort of thing? And things like the
Organic Groups stuff for Drupal.  

Yahoo groups and similar are more than just direct speaking through
email, in the sense that the messages are on the web too and can be
set to be fully public, as with this group.

Cheers

Steve Elbows

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meiser"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 2/19/07, Jan McLaughlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You can make blogger blogs "public" or accessable only by
"authors" or by
> > "only people I choose".
> >
> > Is that enough?
> 
> No, not good enough. I think the closes we've come is yahoo groups, or
> flickr groups. You can invite a bunch of members and speak directly to
> them. Email.
> 
> I need to keep thinking about it.
> 
> -Mike

[videoblogging] Re: The audience of ten

[Andy Carvin]

> Ultimately blogging and vlogging has rested on obscurity to do this.
> For example... to pick on Andy Carvin... if the pictures in his photo
> feed or blog feed were of cats and babies I figured pretty much they
> werent' for me... and skipped right over them...  but if they were of
> vloggers and web luminaries i jumped right in and watched or read
> them.  The point is the demands of my time ensured that I skipped over
> things weren't meant for me.  Of course such security through
> obscurity while great for the vast majority of very low level
> communications is will not even slow down a trol or worse from digging
> through your history.
> 

Perhaps I should have thrown in a video of one of my cats in between
the videos of Zadi and Jarvis this week just to mess with you. :-)

I've definitely struggled with this, since my blog is a delicate
balance of personal stuff and professional stuff, which admittedly has
swung a bit more personal since we had the baby eight months ago. (My
wife and I are getting ready to launch a vlog about parenting, which
will help take some of the pressure off - stay tuned.) Ideally, I'd
love it if my blog software (movable type) or my site's search engine
(Google Co-op) would allow the public to set up customized rss feeds
based on keywords, just as you would with Google News or Technorati.
That way, if you wanted to subscribe to a feed of my blog that only
picks up content for keywords like "social media" and "video" and
"public radio" (or "babies" and "cats" if that floats your boat), you
could do that without any fuss. Perhaps even better would be
personalized feeds with exclusionary preferences, such as a feed that
captures everything on my blog _except_ keyword references of my own
selection, like cats and babies, if that stuff gets on your nerves. 

Like David Weinberger suggested at NPR on Friday, it's all about the
metadata. (Perhaps I should print some bumper stickers that say "It's
the Metadata, Stupid.") If we just had better tools for seeking out or
excluding certain types of metadata, we could personalize the user's
experience and address some of these issues. That would leave us
plenty of time obsessing over whether it's better to have 10 or 10,000
subscribers to our feeds. 

andy carvin
www.andycarvin.com

[videoblogging] Re: The audience of ten

[humancloner1997]

I made different vlogs for different reasons.  I think I get the 
biggest kick out of doing a vlog that gives someone I like/admire 
a "lift" real or imagined in life.

It might promote a small business they are creating or just give them 
the thrill of "having a video about them on the Internet".

In the first instance, you have to think that someone selling clothes 
from a location like Ithaca, New York (Lesbian Sexy Dress Secrets)
gets nearly 5,000 hits on YouTube, 991 on Veoh & probably the same on 
Blip (I just discovered you can't get total number of hits on older 
videos at Blip and/or I don't know how)--you're talking about 7,000 
views.  

Some of those must have been dykes or sho-owners interested in 
specialty clothing lines.

Other times, you put up a vlog like 'Cat Rescue' which talks about an 
organization which seeks "foster parents" for cats and dogs who can 
return them if they don't work out, etc.  

That has only gotten a couple hundred hits in total so I didn't save 
all those animals I'd hoped to.

Other times, its a real thrill to film a subway musician ("Baby 
Monroe") and put him on YouTube & see how appreciative he is about it 
weeks later.  

Same goes for artists with strange niches ("Beth's Barbie Fashions") 
making dresses for both dolls and humans out of plastic shopping 
bags.  Not wildly popular but she got a real thrill out of it.

I'd say the most important thing about posting video on the Internet 
about someone's hobby, art or business is the feeling that you have 
this tiny molecue of power and you're giving that person a little 
lift.  The lift is mostly spiritual & emotional (as opposed to 
economic) but You (or I at least) feel really good about doing it.

The second major reason I vlog is to capture & share "other worlds" 
many people have never seen.  

It might be just a couple gay teenagers dancing at a Jersey City 
Street Fair ("Gay Love Dancing" my second most popular vlog with 
22,000 YouTube hits for me and 76,000 for the guy who copied it w/o 
permission), or a warm and human chat with a troubled transsexual 
("Samantha Dreams of a Sex Change"), or an exploration of NYC's 
annual Tattoo Convention, or strange street theater at an S&M Street 
Fair.

I'm always looking for great new material.  I knew nothing about the 
world of tattooing and S&M until I stumbled through them with video 
camera running.

Sometimes, the greatest material is right under your nose.  There's a 
big totally blind dog living in my building.  Turns out, it is owned 
by a wonderful warm & loving woman who cares for a couple mixed-race 
foster children.  The youngest one uses the blind dog for a "pillow" 
when sleeping.  The dog never bumps into anything in the apartment, 
etc.  Now, there is a story to capture!

And, yes, sometimes I vlog for petty self-indulgent reasons.  I get 
mad at people who turn me away from a free movie screening because 
I'm "too old" to be their "target audience"--so I film them at their 
worse and show them to the world for the fools that they are.

Numbers matter to me only insofar as they are meaningful.  I'm really 
let down and depressed when a vlog like "Cat Rescue" bombs.  It means 
that I failed as 'savior of the cats' :-).

Otherwise, I've put up a few vlogs recently of a dear friend/roommate 
(Marsha P. Johnson) that I knew would bomb.  However, to her friends 
and family, it was thrilling to know some footage of her had made it 
onto the Internet.

Then, there are times when you cynically film something just because 
you have press credentials for a Halloween Parade ("Kiss on 
Kissology") and post it knowing it is going to do well.

However, there is no real joy in that because other fabulous footage 
you shot the same night of people wearing lights as clothing items, 
colorful marching bands & even a montage "Human Flesh in NYC" (which 
you thought would fly) bombs.

I've actually gotten "past" numbers at this point.  I have more money 
than time left to spend it.  I have been and will continue to hire 
helpers while I just pursue videotaping for the sheer thrill of it.

It's only what makes you feel good that is worth doing.

Randolfe (Randy) Wicker

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Cammack" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "R. Kristiansen" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey all,
> > 
> > Since I started videoblogging, I have had this mantra about 
focusing
> on "the
> > audience of ten". To treat the audience of my videoblog as a 
circle of
> > friends. Friends I would want to show what's going on in my life 
at the
> > point. I have had this mantra because I, for instance, did not 
want
> to get
> > lost in some numbers-increasing schemes.
> 
> 
> I've been thinking a lot about "shows" over the last two weeks.  
David
> had some interesting ideas about audiences and subscribers, 
especially
> as it pertains to closed environments, that he shared with the 
group.
>  This post started me thinking about the ends 

[videoblogging] Re: The audience of ten

[Bill Cammack]

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "R. Kristiansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> 
> Since I started videoblogging, I have had this mantra about focusing
on "the
> audience of ten". To treat the audience of my videoblog as a circle of
> friends. Friends I would want to show what's going on in my life at the
> point. I have had this mantra because I, for instance, did not want
to get
> lost in some numbers-increasing schemes.


I've been thinking a lot about "shows" over the last two weeks.  David
had some interesting ideas about audiences and subscribers, especially
as it pertains to closed environments, that he shared with the group.
 This post started me thinking about the ends vs. the means a month
ago.  I've just recently "gotten over" blog metrics, and re-reading
Ray's post, I now understand what he means by "numbers-increasing
schemes".

I think that whether your blog is personal or a show, it's important
to know what "the numbers" are doing for you.  I mean, YOU...
personally.  If the answer is "nothing", then they're not worth paying
attention to.

A friend of mine studies Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu in Renzo Gracie's
Academy.  Because of that, I've been around Renzo a few times, and I
put a clip of him on my site the other day.  He just had a fight on
Showtime that ended controversially, when his opponent illegally kneed
him in the head while Renzo was "grounded", twice, and was rightfully
disqualified, because EVERYBODY knows you can't do what he did.  Since
that day, I've gotten (relative to my normal stats) A TON of hits,
specifically from people wanting more information on what happened in
the fight.  Every time Showtime plays the fight again, there's another
surge of people watching the video... which has NOTHING to do with the
Showtime fight.

Is that "audience"?  No.  That's like when it's raining and you see
the guys selling $3 umbrellas in front of the subway stations.  Are
they good umbrella salesmen?  No.  They supplied something that was in
demand.  Ask them to sell umbrellas when it's dry out and see what
happens... Nothing! :D  The numbers are higher than usual, but it's
completely worthless to me.

I also agree with the "treat your audience like..." idea.  It makes a
difference whether you're reporting a news story to a general audience
or telling the fellas about some chick you met last night.  The
delivery's going to be different.  The content's going to be
different.  I think that how you deliver the content is more important
than how many people actually _receive_ your communication.  The
people outside the ones that you created the video for are entirely
collateral... even if they're the overwhelming majority of your
viewers or subscribers.

I pay more attention to my Democracy numbers than my Google search
numbers.

> My question to you is: What amount of subscribers do you feel
"comfortable"
> with?
> 
> Of course, if you make a Show (insert sarcastic tone here), you only
want
> more and more subscribers. But if you make a so-called personal
videoblog,
> suddenly having 3000 subscribers might be a very scary thing.

Generally, I agree that a show wants more and more subscribers.  The
question becomes "what are you doing to get subscribers vs what are
you doing because you want to do it?"  If those are the same thing,
then that's great.  There's a great potential for divergence between
what someone did when their show had ZERO commercial viability and
what they did after there was an opportunity to make money with their
show, either through revenue-sharing advertising or direct
sponsorship.  The question is whether the new ends justify the new means.

For example, there's an ongoing debate about using copyrighted music
in video blogs.  The closer you get to being commercial with your
show, the more you're worried about the elements you use and the more
your personal creativity is stifled.  You might be better off with a
completely non-commercial video blog where you can do anything you
want with anything you have.  This is why a lot of independent films
have soundtracks that are made up of one guitar or a piano.  They
couldn't afford to buy music, and the composer they COULD afford was
limited to the instruments he/she can play.  That same film could have
been a thousand times better with a REAL soundtrack of copyrighted
music... except they wouldn't have been able to sell the film. 
Unfortunately, the film was made to sell, as opposed to being seen. 
The creative potential was limited because of future considerations.


> Me, I know that the amount of people who have technically subscribed
to my
> feed is about 120. I must admit that even that number makes me feel the
> goosebumps sometimes. (Ok, I have a history of receiving nasty emails
> referring to videos I made as well, so I guess my personal paranoia is
> linked to that).
> 
> Raymond M. Kristiansen,
> Copenhagen
> http://www.dltq.org/v3
> http://www.textrecontext.com


That's an interesting aspect... poor feedb

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The audience of ten

[Richard (Show) Hall]

Michael ... just out of curiosity ... you're thinking of michaelverdi.com,
right? ... but I'm assuming you wouldn't say th same thing for
aliveinbaghdad.org?

... the latter is something different, right?

... just wondering .. Richard

On 1/16/07, Michael Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   Let's see...
> When I'm making a video, 90% of the time I'm making them solely for
> myself and when I post them I'm thinking about the 10 people that I
> know will watch them for sure (the people that I talk to everyday).
> To this day it amazes and amuses me that anything more that that ever goes
> on.
> -Verdi
>  
>



-- 
Richard
http://richardhhall.org
Shows
http://richardshow.org
http://inspiredhealing.tv


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The audience of ten

[Michael Verdi]

Let's see...
When I'm making a video, 90% of the time I'm making them solely for
myself and when I post them I'm thinking about the 10 people that I
know will watch them for sure (the people that I talk to everyday).
To this day it amazes and amuses me that anything more that that ever goes on.
-Verdi

[videoblogging] Re: The audience of ten

[Randolfe Wicker]

I just don't understand the average person's concern about  
"privacy".  There seems to be this idea in many of these postings  
that "lurkers" are "out there" just waiting to knock on your door,  
jump into your life, whatever.  Believe me, 99.99% of people  
couldn't care less about your "private life" and/or you.  The subject  
you are discussing: technical problems with your camera/computer;  
someone ripping off your video; your goals for putting video on the  
Internet; etc. may be of interest to them.

Personally, I can't remember ever removing a nasty comment from one  
of my videos.  Why are some people's egos so fragile?  If people rant  
and rave at me, call me names, etc. I just leave their comments there  
for all to see.  When they make a valid criticism, I think about it  
and consider it helpful in improving my future offerings.  I might  
even agree with them in a text reply.

Whenever you post a video onto the Internet, you are walking out on a  
public stage.  You can't pretend you're the Pope in his Bubble Car  
safety insulated from cheers and/or verbal abuse.  In fact, you're  
just a grain of sand on a very huge beach who'll probably be totally  
ignored and will disappear into the sea with the next high tide.

Quality and integrity play only a minor role.  Marvelous altruistic  
beautiful stories go ignored while real garbage and flotsam cover  
center stage.  That's television.  That's show business.  That's the  
vlogosphere.  An accomplished professional comedian, who is a friend  
of mine, believes that a comedian (or writer or vlogger) should  
always deal with personal things he/she understands.  To resonate  
with a large audience, it is necessary to deal with universal human  
experiences and situations.

I have always been enamored with the idea of producing something that  
many people will see and which will impact their lives, perhaps  
change their views, expand their world in some small way.  I've found  
the only satisfaction comes from producing/sharing something that you  
feel is important and/or pleasing.  Some of my "best vlogs" have  
gotten few viewers.  Some of my mundane vlogs have gotten multiple  
thousands of views.

One of my(Aug. 06) vlogs on YouTube was "stolen" and posted by  
another user a couple months later (Oct. 06).  As of yesterday, my  
vlog had gotten 10,223 views while 'my video' posted as his vlog had  
received 61,689 views.  At first, I was angry.  Then I thought about  
it more calmly.  I'd posted this vlog to be "seen" and impact  
others.  I'd filmed it in a public place.  I had no signed releases  
or financial interest in using it in the future.  So, wasn't that  
youTube thief actually "helping" me?  I studied his tags, etc. and  
realized why "my video" was viewed by more people posted under his name.

I think I'll do a vlog about just that.

[videoblogging] Re: The audience of ten

[Mike Moon]

Although my vlog's initial intent was to capture a personal video
diary, I do share it online with family and friends or others that may
stumble across it (stumble to vlog.mikemoon.net). Currently I have
about 25 regular viewers, and a small handful of those get involved by
leaving comments.
I'm happy with my little circle of visitors and not sure I would want
to have 3,000 voyeurs.

As far as the limitation of the subject matter I vlog about? I just
have to remind myself that my mom and my 12 year old daughter are
frequent visitors. 

Paranoid? Nah... I'm Canadian, we rarely piss people off. :)

Mike

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "R. Kristiansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> 
> Since I started videoblogging, I have had this mantra about focusing
on "the
> audience of ten". To treat the audience of my videoblog as a circle of
> friends. Friends I would want to show what's going on in my life at the
> point. I have had this mantra because I, for instance, did not want
to get
> lost in some numbers-increasing schemes.
> 
> My question to you is: What amount of subscribers do you feel
"comfortable"
> with?
> 
> Of course, if you make a Show (insert sarcastic tone here), you only
want
> more and more subscribers. But if you make a so-called personal
videoblog,
> suddenly having 3000 subscribers might be a very scary thing.
> 
> Me, I know that the amount of people who have technically subscribed
to my
> feed is about 120. I must admit that even that number makes me feel the
> goosebumps sometimes. (Ok, I have a history of receiving nasty emails
> referring to videos I made as well, so I guess my personal paranoia is
> linked to that).
> 
> If you are an individual who just make videos because you want to
connect
> with others - do you sometimes feel that someone invide your privacy? If
> they leave nasty comments?
> 
> Of course, many of the same issues dealing with text blogging or the
> internet itself applies to the videoblog. Things like: "If you don't
want
> certain people to find it, don't put it out there". That's simple. But
> still, we want to connect. Reach out.
> 
> Am I nuts for feeling uncomfortable about the anonymous people lurking,
> watching my videos of ? Or does anyone else feel the same?
> 
> Does this sort of paranoia lead to many of us posting less personal
stuff
> and more often going for the more "safe" forms of videoblogging?S
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Best,
> 
> Raymond M. Kristiansen,
> Copenhagen
> http://www.dltq.org/v3
> http://www.textrecontext.com
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The audience of ten

[Jan McLaughlin]

Hey, Andrew, I show up at vloggers' houses all the time. Moreover, I expect
them to dine and hang out with me and then read me bedtime stories.

Road Node 101 kicks.

XO,
Jan

P.S. Of course, I let 'em know I'm coming in advance.

On 1/12/07, Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   Putting perhaps a slightly different spin on this, I really like the
> term "The Audience of Ten" (great term!) and the idea of treating the
> audience like they are ten of your best friends is a great approach to
> building and maintaining your audience. I think one of the reasons shows
> like Rocketboom, Homestarrunner and Ze Frank's The Show connect with an
> audience is that their viewers feel like they part of a cool little
> clique/community.
>
> On the subject of censoring yourself I think it's not a bad idea to be
> careful to hold certain, personal things back. For example, anyone ever
> had the experience of a viewer/reader of their vlog/blog turn up at
> their home? I had that happen once (a reader of my blog showed up at my
> front door one morning after getting my address in the phone book). They
> were very nice, but that spooked me in to getting an unlisted number.
>
> - Andrew
>
> jonny goldstein wrote:
>
> > Raymond, if you really want to do it for your ten best friends, then
> > password protect it. But I get the feeling that you don't want to be
> > that closed, that you value having people outside your immediate
> > circle of close friends seeing your videos. Maybe certain, very
> > personal videos you could individually password protect? I,
> > personally, feel comfortable with whoever is lurking out there
> > watching my stuff, but I censor myself to maintain that comfort
> > level.This is an interesting question. It's really a new thing to be
> > able to put stuff out there for the whole world to see.I don't think
> > there's any reason to let everyone in on your life if you dont want to.
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
> > , Philip Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't care who's watching, but then again I'm a bit of a pervert.
> > >
> > > xo philip
> > > --
> > > http://swordfight.org 
> > > http://hotaction.ca 
> > > http://destroyhotaction.com 
>
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11-Jan-07, at 9:56 PM, R. Kristiansen wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey all,
> > > >
> > > > Since I started videoblogging, I have had this mantra about
> > > > focusing on "the
> > > > audience of ten". To treat the audience of my videoblog as a circle
> of
> > > > friends. Friends I would want to show what's going on in my life at
> > > > the
> > > > point. I have had this mantra because I, for instance, did not want
> > > > to get
> > > > lost in some numbers-increasing schemes.
> > > >
> > > > My question to you is: What amount of subscribers do you feel
> > > > "comfortable"
> > > > with?
> > > >
> > > > Of course, if you make a Show (insert sarcastic tone here), you
> > > > only want
> > > > more and more subscribers. But if you make a so-called personal
> > > > videoblog,
> > > > suddenly having 3000 subscribers might be a very scary thing.
> > > >
> > > > Me, I know that the amount of people who have technically
> > > > subscribed to my
> > > > feed is about 120. I must admit that even that number makes me feel
> > > > the
> > > > goosebumps sometimes. (Ok, I have a history of receiving nasty
> emails
> > > > referring to videos I made as well, so I guess my personal paranoia
> is
> > > > linked to that).
> > > >
> > > > If you are an individual who just make videos because you want to
> > > > connect
> > > > with others - do you sometimes feel that someone invide your
> > > > privacy? If
> > > > they leave nasty comments?
> > > >
> > > > Of course, many of the same issues dealing with text blogging or the
> > > > internet itself applies to the videoblog. Things like: "If you
> > > > don't want
> > > > certain people to find it, don't put it out there". That's simple.
> But
> > > > still, we want to connect. Reach out.
> > > >
> > > > Am I nuts for feeling uncomfortable about the anonymous people
> > > > lurking,
> > > > watching my videos of ? Or does anyone else feel the
> same?
> > > >
> > > > Does this sort of paranoia lead to many of us posting less personal
> > > > stuff
> > > > and more often going for the more "safe" forms of videoblogging?S
> > > >
> > > > What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > > Raymond M. Kristiansen,
> > > > Copenhagen
> > > > http://www.dltq.org/v3 
> > > > http://www.textrecontext.com 
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >No virus found in this incoming message.
> >Che

[videoblogging] Re: The audience of ten

[Bill Cammack]

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "jonny goldstein"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Raymond, if you really want to do it for your ten best friends, then
> password protect it. But I get the feeling that you don't want to be
> that closed, that you value having people outside your immediate
> circle of close friends seeing your videos. Maybe certain, very
> personal videos you could individually password protect? 

I think that's a good idea, having some videos that lurkers can check
out and other videos that you can place either in an entirely
different blog or individually protect like Jonny suggested.

> I, personally, feel comfortable with whoever is lurking out there
> watching my stuff, but I censor myself to maintain that comfort
> level.This is an interesting question. It's really a new thing to be
> able to put stuff out there for the whole world to see.I don't think
> there's any reason to let everyone in on your life if you dont want to.


You're the executive producer on your own videoblog/show.  It's not
like "The Real World", where you sign on for them to shoot anything
that happens to you, even in the bathroom, and then you get to watch
how they creatively edit it into a story that wasn't actually like
that IRL.  Like Jonny's saying, you have to consider the lurkers as
well as your friends if you're going to post something.  Again, you
can have multiple versions of the same video if you like, with the one
you wouldn't feel comfortable about being public being in a location
you make known to the people you want to see it.

> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Philip Clark  wrote:
> >
> > I don't care who's watching, but then again I'm a bit of a pervert.
> > 
> > xo philip
> > --
> > http://swordfight.org
> > http://hotaction.ca
> > http://destroyhotaction.com
> > 
> > 
> > On 11-Jan-07, at 9:56 PM, R. Kristiansen wrote:
> > 
> > > Hey all,
> > >
> > > Since I started videoblogging, I have had this mantra about  
> > > focusing on "the
> > > audience of ten". To treat the audience of my videoblog as a
circle of
> > > friends. Friends I would want to show what's going on in my life
at  
> > > the
> > > point. I have had this mantra because I, for instance, did not
want  
> > > to get
> > > lost in some numbers-increasing schemes.


The infamous blog metrics addiction.

> > > My question to you is: What amount of subscribers do you feel  
> > > "comfortable"
> > > with?
> > >
> > > Of course, if you make a Show (insert sarcastic tone here), you  
> > > only want
> > > more and more subscribers. But if you make a so-called personal  
> > > videoblog,
> > > suddenly having 3000 subscribers might be a very scary thing.


I guess it depends on what you thought was going to happen when you
posted something.  If you shoot something on film and decide to
project it in your garage and invite 12 people that you know and like
to come over and watch it, you're going to have a problem when 300
people show up wanting to watch your very personal video.  OTOH, as we
found out with the MyHeavy situation, not only are lurkers going to
WATCH your videos, people that you're not even aware of are going to
PLAY your videos as if they're a part of their own site... potentially
surrounded by chicks in lingerie with angel wings and full-screen,
animated pre-roll advertisements! :D

Your "suscribers" are only the number of people that
_you_are_aware_of_ that are watching your videos.

> > > Me, I know that the amount of people who have technically  
> > > subscribed to my
> > > feed is about 120. I must admit that even that number makes me
feel  
> > > the
> > > goosebumps sometimes. (Ok, I have a history of receiving nasty
emails
> > > referring to videos I made as well, so I guess my personal
paranoia is
> > > linked to that).
> > >
> > > If you are an individual who just make videos because you want to  
> > > connect
> > > with others - do you sometimes feel that someone invide your  
> > > privacy? If
> > > they leave nasty comments?
> > >
> > > Of course, many of the same issues dealing with text blogging or the
> > > internet itself applies to the videoblog. Things like: "If you  
> > > don't want
> > > certain people to find it, don't put it out there". That's
simple. But
> > > still, we want to connect. Reach out.


There are varying degrees to wanting to connect and wanting to reach
out.  A lot of people just want to say whatever they want on the
internet and have ZERO discussion about it.  Their intention is to
state an opinion without fielding any feedback at all... or, perhaps
to filter all comments out except the ones that bolster their point
and make them look like they know what they're talking about.  There
are other people who actually believe in what they're saying and
utilize blogging or videoblogging as two-way communication, where they
aren't just talking AT the people that read/watch their blog, but are
trying to start a conversation where people actually learn something
about each o

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The audience of ten

[Andrew]

Putting perhaps a slightly different spin on this, I really like the 
term "The Audience of Ten" (great term!) and the idea of treating the 
audience like they are ten of your best friends is a great approach to 
building and maintaining your audience. I think one of the reasons shows 
like Rocketboom, Homestarrunner and Ze Frank's The Show connect with an 
audience is that their viewers feel like they part of a cool little 
clique/community.

On the subject of censoring yourself I think it's not a bad idea to be 
careful to hold certain, personal things back. For example, anyone ever 
had the experience of a viewer/reader of their vlog/blog turn up at 
their home? I had that happen once (a reader of my blog showed up at my 
front door one morning after getting my address in the phone book). They 
were very nice, but that spooked me in to getting an unlisted number.

- Andrew

jonny goldstein wrote:

> Raymond, if you really want to do it for your ten best friends, then
> password protect it. But I get the feeling that you don't want to be
> that closed, that you value having people outside your immediate
> circle of close friends seeing your videos. Maybe certain, very
> personal videos you could individually password protect? I,
> personally, feel comfortable with whoever is lurking out there
> watching my stuff, but I censor myself to maintain that comfort
> level.This is an interesting question. It's really a new thing to be
> able to put stuff out there for the whole world to see.I don't think
> there's any reason to let everyone in on your life if you dont want to.
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
> , Philip Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > I don't care who's watching, but then again I'm a bit of a pervert.
> >
> > xo philip
> > --
> > http://swordfight.org 
> > http://hotaction.ca 
> > http://destroyhotaction.com 
> >
> >
> > On 11-Jan-07, at 9:56 PM, R. Kristiansen wrote:
> >
> > > Hey all,
> > >
> > > Since I started videoblogging, I have had this mantra about
> > > focusing on "the
> > > audience of ten". To treat the audience of my videoblog as a circle of
> > > friends. Friends I would want to show what's going on in my life at
> > > the
> > > point. I have had this mantra because I, for instance, did not want
> > > to get
> > > lost in some numbers-increasing schemes.
> > >
> > > My question to you is: What amount of subscribers do you feel
> > > "comfortable"
> > > with?
> > >
> > > Of course, if you make a Show (insert sarcastic tone here), you
> > > only want
> > > more and more subscribers. But if you make a so-called personal
> > > videoblog,
> > > suddenly having 3000 subscribers might be a very scary thing.
> > >
> > > Me, I know that the amount of people who have technically
> > > subscribed to my
> > > feed is about 120. I must admit that even that number makes me feel
> > > the
> > > goosebumps sometimes. (Ok, I have a history of receiving nasty emails
> > > referring to videos I made as well, so I guess my personal paranoia is
> > > linked to that).
> > >
> > > If you are an individual who just make videos because you want to
> > > connect
> > > with others - do you sometimes feel that someone invide your
> > > privacy? If
> > > they leave nasty comments?
> > >
> > > Of course, many of the same issues dealing with text blogging or the
> > > internet itself applies to the videoblog. Things like: "If you
> > > don't want
> > > certain people to find it, don't put it out there". That's simple. But
> > > still, we want to connect. Reach out.
> > >
> > > Am I nuts for feeling uncomfortable about the anonymous people
> > > lurking,
> > > watching my videos of ? Or does anyone else feel the same?
> > >
> > > Does this sort of paranoia lead to many of us posting less personal
> > > stuff
> > > and more often going for the more "safe" forms of videoblogging?S
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Raymond M. Kristiansen,
> > > Copenhagen
> > > http://www.dltq.org/v3 
> > > http://www.textrecontext.com 
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> 
>
>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/623 - Release Date: 1/11/2007
>  
>


-- 

Andrew
Creative Director, The World's Angriest Puppets

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: www.angrypuppets.com
Blog: puppetvision.blogspot.com

[videoblogging] Re: The audience of ten

[miglsd27]

 Jan, I think you made it to Raymonds shit list ;). I know I did 
, he he he. 

 Miguel.


>
> And if you made a secret vlog, to whom would invitations be sent?
> 
> Hrm.
> 
> :)
> 
> Jan
> > > >
> > > > Hey all,
> > > >
> > > > Since I started videoblogging, I have had this mantra about
> > > > focusing on "the
> > > > audience of ten". To treat the audience of my videoblog as a circle of
> > > > friends. Friends I would want to show what's going on in my life at
> > > > the
> > > > point. I have had this mantra because I, for instance, did not want
> > > > to get
> > > > lost in some numbers-increasing schemes.
> > > >
> > > > My question to you is: What amount of subscribers do you feel
> > > > "comfortable"
> > > > with?
> > > >
> > > > Of course, if you make a Show (insert sarcastic tone here), you
> > > > only want
> > > > more and more subscribers. But if you make a so-called personal
> > > > videoblog,
> > > > suddenly having 3000 subscribers might be a very scary thing.
> > > >
> > > > Me, I know that the amount of people who have technically
> > > > subscribed to my
> > > > feed is about 120. I must admit that even that number makes me feel
> > > > the
> > > > goosebumps sometimes. (Ok, I have a history of receiving nasty emails
> > > > referring to videos I made as well, so I guess my personal paranoia is
> > > > linked to that).
> > > >
> > > > If you are an individual who just make videos because you want to
> > > > connect
> > > > with others - do you sometimes feel that someone invide your
> > > > privacy? If
> > > > they leave nasty comments?
> > > >
> > > > Of course, many of the same issues dealing with text blogging or the
> > > > internet itself applies to the videoblog. Things like: "If you
> > > > don't want
> > > > certain people to find it, don't put it out there". That's simple. But
> > > > still, we want to connect. Reach out.
> > > >
> > > > Am I nuts for feeling uncomfortable about the anonymous people
> > > > lurking,
> > > > watching my videos of ? Or does anyone else feel the same?
> > > >
> > > > Does this sort of paranoia lead to many of us posting less personal
> > > > stuff
> > > > and more often going for the more "safe" forms of videoblogging?S
> > > >
> > > > What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > > Raymond M. Kristiansen,
> > > > Copenhagen
> > > > http://www.dltq.org/v3
> > > > http://www.textrecontext.com
> > > >

Re: [videoblogging] Re: The audience of ten

[Jan McLaughlin]

And if you made a secret vlog, to whom would invitations be sent?

Hrm.

:)

Jan

On 1/12/07, jonny goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   Raymond, if you really want to do it for your ten best friends, then
> password protect it. But I get the feeling that you don't want to be
> that closed, that you value having people outside your immediate
> circle of close friends seeing your videos. Maybe certain, very
> personal videos you could individually password protect? I,
> personally, feel comfortable with whoever is lurking out there
> watching my stuff, but I censor myself to maintain that comfort
> level.This is an interesting question. It's really a new thing to be
> able to put stuff out there for the whole world to see.I don't think
> there's any reason to let everyone in on your life if you dont want to.
>
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ,
> Philip Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I don't care who's watching, but then again I'm a bit of a pervert.
> >
> > xo philip
> > --
> > http://swordfight.org
> > http://hotaction.ca
> > http://destroyhotaction.com
> >
> >
> > On 11-Jan-07, at 9:56 PM, R. Kristiansen wrote:
> >
> > > Hey all,
> > >
> > > Since I started videoblogging, I have had this mantra about
> > > focusing on "the
> > > audience of ten". To treat the audience of my videoblog as a circle of
> > > friends. Friends I would want to show what's going on in my life at
> > > the
> > > point. I have had this mantra because I, for instance, did not want
> > > to get
> > > lost in some numbers-increasing schemes.
> > >
> > > My question to you is: What amount of subscribers do you feel
> > > "comfortable"
> > > with?
> > >
> > > Of course, if you make a Show (insert sarcastic tone here), you
> > > only want
> > > more and more subscribers. But if you make a so-called personal
> > > videoblog,
> > > suddenly having 3000 subscribers might be a very scary thing.
> > >
> > > Me, I know that the amount of people who have technically
> > > subscribed to my
> > > feed is about 120. I must admit that even that number makes me feel
> > > the
> > > goosebumps sometimes. (Ok, I have a history of receiving nasty emails
> > > referring to videos I made as well, so I guess my personal paranoia is
> > > linked to that).
> > >
> > > If you are an individual who just make videos because you want to
> > > connect
> > > with others - do you sometimes feel that someone invide your
> > > privacy? If
> > > they leave nasty comments?
> > >
> > > Of course, many of the same issues dealing with text blogging or the
> > > internet itself applies to the videoblog. Things like: "If you
> > > don't want
> > > certain people to find it, don't put it out there". That's simple. But
> > > still, we want to connect. Reach out.
> > >
> > > Am I nuts for feeling uncomfortable about the anonymous people
> > > lurking,
> > > watching my videos of ? Or does anyone else feel the same?
> > >
> > > Does this sort of paranoia lead to many of us posting less personal
> > > stuff
> > > and more often going for the more "safe" forms of videoblogging?S
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Raymond M. Kristiansen,
> > > Copenhagen
> > > http://www.dltq.org/v3
> > > http://www.textrecontext.com
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>  
>



-- 
The Faux Press - better than real
http://fauxpress.blogspot.com


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[videoblogging] Re: The audience of ten

[jonny goldstein]

Raymond, if you really want to do it for your ten best friends, then
password protect it. But I get the feeling that you don't want to be
that closed, that you value having people outside your immediate
circle of close friends seeing your videos. Maybe certain, very
personal videos you could individually password protect? I,
personally, feel comfortable with whoever is lurking out there
watching my stuff, but I censor myself to maintain that comfort
level.This is an interesting question. It's really a new thing to be
able to put stuff out there for the whole world to see.I don't think
there's any reason to let everyone in on your life if you dont want to.



--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Philip Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I don't care who's watching, but then again I'm a bit of a pervert.
> 
> xo philip
> --
> http://swordfight.org
> http://hotaction.ca
> http://destroyhotaction.com
> 
> 
> On 11-Jan-07, at 9:56 PM, R. Kristiansen wrote:
> 
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Since I started videoblogging, I have had this mantra about  
> > focusing on "the
> > audience of ten". To treat the audience of my videoblog as a circle of
> > friends. Friends I would want to show what's going on in my life at  
> > the
> > point. I have had this mantra because I, for instance, did not want  
> > to get
> > lost in some numbers-increasing schemes.
> >
> > My question to you is: What amount of subscribers do you feel  
> > "comfortable"
> > with?
> >
> > Of course, if you make a Show (insert sarcastic tone here), you  
> > only want
> > more and more subscribers. But if you make a so-called personal  
> > videoblog,
> > suddenly having 3000 subscribers might be a very scary thing.
> >
> > Me, I know that the amount of people who have technically  
> > subscribed to my
> > feed is about 120. I must admit that even that number makes me feel  
> > the
> > goosebumps sometimes. (Ok, I have a history of receiving nasty emails
> > referring to videos I made as well, so I guess my personal paranoia is
> > linked to that).
> >
> > If you are an individual who just make videos because you want to  
> > connect
> > with others - do you sometimes feel that someone invide your  
> > privacy? If
> > they leave nasty comments?
> >
> > Of course, many of the same issues dealing with text blogging or the
> > internet itself applies to the videoblog. Things like: "If you  
> > don't want
> > certain people to find it, don't put it out there". That's simple. But
> > still, we want to connect. Reach out.
> >
> > Am I nuts for feeling uncomfortable about the anonymous people  
> > lurking,
> > watching my videos of ? Or does anyone else feel the same?
> >
> > Does this sort of paranoia lead to many of us posting less personal  
> > stuff
> > and more often going for the more "safe" forms of videoblogging?S
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Raymond M. Kristiansen,
> > Copenhagen
> > http://www.dltq.org/v3
> > http://www.textrecontext.com
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>