[videoblogging] Re: This cam will change everything!
It doesnt look that small to me, and the quicktime stuff is mostly marketing hype. So, I dont think this cam will change everything, maybe Im just being dumb but I dont see what all the fuss is about. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Renat Zarbailov innom...@... wrote: It's the size of the cam for what it offers, that's revolutionary. Have you seen pictures of it? The darn thing fits in a palm of the hand. This JVC HM100 uses XDCAM codec in a Quicktime wrapper. I wish they used AVCHD that Panasonic's AG-HMC150 uses for space-savings and etc. However, if having it in Quicktime is less processor-intensive when editing, I would go with it any day... Compare the size of JVC HM100 and that of EX1/HVX200. BTW, CMOS chip(found in EX1/EX3) tends to give you wobbling effect on quick pans. I am kinda skeptical of the whole CMOS in video acquisition now... The only thing I am concerned about, and not discoverable till this cam comes out in April, is LOW LIGHT performance. I will go into debt to get this marvel if it at least offers 2lux. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brook Hinton bhinton@ wrote: I'm skeptical. This is not revolutionary. There are two existing camcorder lines that compete with this, albeit a grand or two over the price (assuming this comes in around 4k) - the Sony EX1, and Panasonic's HVX200. Both have more control and professional features. The EX1 has 1/2 inch chips (the difference between, say, regular 8mm and Super 16 in terms of depth of field control) and unbelievable low light performance with a 35mbps codec similar to JVC's. The Panasonic uses a codec that isn't subject to the perils of temporal compression (but does have an issue re its lower res chips). With the JVC and for the matter the Sony, you still need to transcode if you want to work efficiently in anything but a cuts-and-dissolves only environment. Final Cut Pro already deals with these formats natively. JVC is just finally introducing a competing product. The whole direct to quicktime thing is just hype. DVCPro HD is already FCP compatible and doesn't need transcoding. Any temporal codec is going to need transcoding for professional use whether its native quicktime or not: its just the nature of the beast - the basic physical reality of GOP structure. The one fantastic, revolutionary thing is that it uses SDHC cards instead of a proprietary and more expensive card format. But it's 1/4 chips and mpeg2. The 35mbps codec, if its anything like Sony's, will be significantly better than HDV though. If you're looking at ye olde classic DV equivalents, this is a dressed up tapeless TRV900. not a tapeless DVX-100 or XL1. The lens is another variable. In HD, the lens is a huge factor. None of the cams in this range have had particularly good lenses, but that's not surprising given the cost of HD lenses. That doesn't mean its not good or a good value, its just not particularly groundbreaking. I'll look at it closely when its available, but if I'm in the market in something for this range I suspect I'll wait and save a little bit more for something like an EX1. ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: This cam will change everything!
Yeah, $4K is a bit steep, but if it proves itself in low light, I think it's a winner... --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rup...@... wrote: Great. I heard about this camera a while ago - thanks for the reminder. I see they have the pro GY-HM700 coming out this month as well, shoulder mounted, with interchangeable Canon lens and other goodies for the cost of a small car. They say the HM100 will be under $4k, though. Which is still twice as much as I paid for my car. Although not as much as I've paid the mechanic since I bought it. On 23-Mar-09, at 11:26 PM, Renat Zarbailov wrote: If the low-light capability of this camcorder is good, coming out in April, it will change the way we look at professional equipment. http://www.macvideo.tv/camera-technology/features/index.cfm?articleId=109356 On another note, have you seen this? http://tinyurl.com/cuok88 If you spread this video like wildfire, rate it, and or subscribe I will come visit you in your State to say hi, and even film you dancing through the streets for the iDance project... Thanks!!! Renat [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: This cam will change everything!
If you read the JVC tech stuff (it's buried in there) you find that it records MPEG2 Long GOP at up to 35Mbps (this is basically HDV at a higher bit rate) and then sticks it in a .mov wrapper. So it sounds cool but if it's anything like editing the HDV from my Canon, it's possible but not very enjoyable. Editing HDV is so frustrating that it makes me happy to transcode to an intermediate format. So far the best system like this that I've seen is the Panasonic that shoots on P2 cards but instead of using the P2 cards you use a Firestore drive which gives you the option of recording the DVCProHD files in a .mov wrapper. DVCProHD is the only HD capture codec that I've worked with that edits well. We used this set up at a company I used to work for and it was super cool although that camera with a HDD strapped to and wireless mic receivers was one big pain in the ass. - Verdi On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:04 AM, Renat Zarbailov innom...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, $4K is a bit steep, but if it proves itself in low light, I think it's a winner... --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rup...@... wrote: Great. I heard about this camera a while ago - thanks for the reminder. I see they have the pro GY-HM700 coming out this month as well, shoulder mounted, with interchangeable Canon lens and other goodies for the cost of a small car. They say the HM100 will be under $4k, though. Which is still twice as much as I paid for my car. Although not as much as I've paid the mechanic since I bought it. On 23-Mar-09, at 11:26 PM, Renat Zarbailov wrote: If the low-light capability of this camcorder is good, coming out in April, it will change the way we look at professional equipment. http://www.macvideo.tv/camera-technology/features/index.cfm?articleId=109356 On another note, have you seen this? http://tinyurl.com/cuok88 If you spread this video like wildfire, rate it, and or subscribe I will come visit you in your State to say hi, and even film you dancing through the streets for the iDance project... Thanks!!! Renat [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://michaelverdi.com
[videoblogging] Re: This cam will change everything!
It's the size of the cam for what it offers, that's revolutionary. Have you seen pictures of it? The darn thing fits in a palm of the hand. This JVC HM100 uses XDCAM codec in a Quicktime wrapper. I wish they used AVCHD that Panasonic's AG-HMC150 uses for space-savings and etc. However, if having it in Quicktime is less processor-intensive when editing, I would go with it any day... Compare the size of JVC HM100 and that of EX1/HVX200. BTW, CMOS chip(found in EX1/EX3) tends to give you wobbling effect on quick pans. I am kinda skeptical of the whole CMOS in video acquisition now... The only thing I am concerned about, and not discoverable till this cam comes out in April, is LOW LIGHT performance. I will go into debt to get this marvel if it at least offers 2lux. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brook Hinton bhin...@... wrote: I'm skeptical. This is not revolutionary. There are two existing camcorder lines that compete with this, albeit a grand or two over the price (assuming this comes in around 4k) - the Sony EX1, and Panasonic's HVX200. Both have more control and professional features. The EX1 has 1/2 inch chips (the difference between, say, regular 8mm and Super 16 in terms of depth of field control) and unbelievable low light performance with a 35mbps codec similar to JVC's. The Panasonic uses a codec that isn't subject to the perils of temporal compression (but does have an issue re its lower res chips). With the JVC and for the matter the Sony, you still need to transcode if you want to work efficiently in anything but a cuts-and-dissolves only environment. Final Cut Pro already deals with these formats natively. JVC is just finally introducing a competing product. The whole direct to quicktime thing is just hype. DVCPro HD is already FCP compatible and doesn't need transcoding. Any temporal codec is going to need transcoding for professional use whether its native quicktime or not: its just the nature of the beast - the basic physical reality of GOP structure. The one fantastic, revolutionary thing is that it uses SDHC cards instead of a proprietary and more expensive card format. But it's 1/4 chips and mpeg2. The 35mbps codec, if its anything like Sony's, will be significantly better than HDV though. If you're looking at ye olde classic DV equivalents, this is a dressed up tapeless TRV900. not a tapeless DVX-100 or XL1. The lens is another variable. In HD, the lens is a huge factor. None of the cams in this range have had particularly good lenses, but that's not surprising given the cost of HD lenses. That doesn't mean its not good or a good value, its just not particularly groundbreaking. I'll look at it closely when its available, but if I'm in the market in something for this range I suspect I'll wait and save a little bit more for something like an EX1. ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: This cam will change everything!
It's the size of the cam for what it offers, that's revolutionary. Have you seen pictures of it? The darn thing fits in a palm of the hand. This JVC HM100 uses XDCAM codec in a Quicktime wrapper. I wish they used AVCHD that Panasonic's AG-HMC150 uses for space-savings and etc. However, if having it in Quicktime is less processor-intensive when editing, I would go with it any day... Compare the size of JVC HM100 and that of EX1/HVX200. BTW, CMOS chip(found in EX1/EX3) tends to give you wobbling effect on quick pans. I am kinda skeptical of the whole CMOS in video acquisition now... The only thing I am concerned about, and not discoverable till this cam comes out in April, is LOW LIGHT performance. I will go into debt to get this marvel if it at least offers 2lux. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brook Hinton bhin...@... wrote: I'm skeptical. This is not revolutionary. There are two existing camcorder lines that compete with this, albeit a grand or two over the price (assuming this comes in around 4k) - the Sony EX1, and Panasonic's HVX200. Both have more control and professional features. The EX1 has 1/2 inch chips (the difference between, say, regular 8mm and Super 16 in terms of depth of field control) and unbelievable low light performance with a 35mbps codec similar to JVC's. The Panasonic uses a codec that isn't subject to the perils of temporal compression (but does have an issue re its lower res chips). With the JVC and for the matter the Sony, you still need to transcode if you want to work efficiently in anything but a cuts-and-dissolves only environment. Final Cut Pro already deals with these formats natively. JVC is just finally introducing a competing product. The whole direct to quicktime thing is just hype. DVCPro HD is already FCP compatible and doesn't need transcoding. Any temporal codec is going to need transcoding for professional use whether its native quicktime or not: its just the nature of the beast - the basic physical reality of GOP structure. The one fantastic, revolutionary thing is that it uses SDHC cards instead of a proprietary and more expensive card format. But it's 1/4 chips and mpeg2. The 35mbps codec, if its anything like Sony's, will be significantly better than HDV though. If you're looking at ye olde classic DV equivalents, this is a dressed up tapeless TRV900. not a tapeless DVX-100 or XL1. The lens is another variable. In HD, the lens is a huge factor. None of the cams in this range have had particularly good lenses, but that's not surprising given the cost of HD lenses. That doesn't mean its not good or a good value, its just not particularly groundbreaking. I'll look at it closely when its available, but if I'm in the market in something for this range I suspect I'll wait and save a little bit more for something like an EX1. ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: This cam will change everything!
It's the size of the cam for what it offers, that's revolutionary. Have you seen pictures of it? The darn thing fits in a palm of the hand. This JVC HM100 uses XDCAM codec in a Quicktime wrapper. I wish they used AVCHD that Panasonic's AG-HMC150 uses for space-savings and etc. However, if having it in Quicktime is less processor-intensive when editing, I would go with it any day... Compare the size of JVC HM100 and that of EX1/HVX200. BTW, CMOS chip(found in EX1/EX3) tends to give you wobbling effect on quick pans. I am kinda skeptical of the whole CMOS in video acquisition now... The only thing I am concerned about, and not discoverable till this cam comes out in April, is LOW LIGHT performance. I will go into debt to get this marvel if it at least offers 2lux. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brook Hinton bhin...@... wrote: I'm skeptical. This is not revolutionary. There are two existing camcorder lines that compete with this, albeit a grand or two over the price (assuming this comes in around 4k) - the Sony EX1, and Panasonic's HVX200. Both have more control and professional features. The EX1 has 1/2 inch chips (the difference between, say, regular 8mm and Super 16 in terms of depth of field control) and unbelievable low light performance with a 35mbps codec similar to JVC's. The Panasonic uses a codec that isn't subject to the perils of temporal compression (but does have an issue re its lower res chips). With the JVC and for the matter the Sony, you still need to transcode if you want to work efficiently in anything but a cuts-and-dissolves only environment. Final Cut Pro already deals with these formats natively. JVC is just finally introducing a competing product. The whole direct to quicktime thing is just hype. DVCPro HD is already FCP compatible and doesn't need transcoding. Any temporal codec is going to need transcoding for professional use whether its native quicktime or not: its just the nature of the beast - the basic physical reality of GOP structure. The one fantastic, revolutionary thing is that it uses SDHC cards instead of a proprietary and more expensive card format. But it's 1/4 chips and mpeg2. The 35mbps codec, if its anything like Sony's, will be significantly better than HDV though. If you're looking at ye olde classic DV equivalents, this is a dressed up tapeless TRV900. not a tapeless DVX-100 or XL1. The lens is another variable. In HD, the lens is a huge factor. None of the cams in this range have had particularly good lenses, but that's not surprising given the cost of HD lenses. That doesn't mean its not good or a good value, its just not particularly groundbreaking. I'll look at it closely when its available, but if I'm in the market in something for this range I suspect I'll wait and save a little bit more for something like an EX1. ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: This cam will change everything!
It's the size of the cam for what it offers, that's revolutionary. Have you seen pictures of it? The darn thing fits in a palm of the hand. This JVC HM100 uses XDCAM codec in a Quicktime wrapper. I wish they used AVCHD that Panasonic's AG-HMC150 uses for space-savings and etc. However, if having it in Quicktime is less processor-intensive when editing, I would go with it any day... Compare the size of JVC HM100 and that of EX1/HVX200. BTW, CMOS chip(found in EX1/EX3) tends to give you wobbling effect on quick pans. I am kinda skeptical of the whole CMOS in video acquisition now... The only thing I am concerned about, and not discoverable till this cam comes out in April, is LOW LIGHT performance. I will go into debt to get this marvel if it at least offers 2lux. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brook Hinton bhin...@... wrote: I'm skeptical. This is not revolutionary. There are two existing camcorder lines that compete with this, albeit a grand or two over the price (assuming this comes in around 4k) - the Sony EX1, and Panasonic's HVX200. Both have more control and professional features. The EX1 has 1/2 inch chips (the difference between, say, regular 8mm and Super 16 in terms of depth of field control) and unbelievable low light performance with a 35mbps codec similar to JVC's. The Panasonic uses a codec that isn't subject to the perils of temporal compression (but does have an issue re its lower res chips). With the JVC and for the matter the Sony, you still need to transcode if you want to work efficiently in anything but a cuts-and-dissolves only environment. Final Cut Pro already deals with these formats natively. JVC is just finally introducing a competing product. The whole direct to quicktime thing is just hype. DVCPro HD is already FCP compatible and doesn't need transcoding. Any temporal codec is going to need transcoding for professional use whether its native quicktime or not: its just the nature of the beast - the basic physical reality of GOP structure. The one fantastic, revolutionary thing is that it uses SDHC cards instead of a proprietary and more expensive card format. But it's 1/4 chips and mpeg2. The 35mbps codec, if its anything like Sony's, will be significantly better than HDV though. If you're looking at ye olde classic DV equivalents, this is a dressed up tapeless TRV900. not a tapeless DVX-100 or XL1. The lens is another variable. In HD, the lens is a huge factor. None of the cams in this range have had particularly good lenses, but that's not surprising given the cost of HD lenses. That doesn't mean its not good or a good value, its just not particularly groundbreaking. I'll look at it closely when its available, but if I'm in the market in something for this range I suspect I'll wait and save a little bit more for something like an EX1. ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
