[videoblogging] Re: Two NYTimes articles on Web Video

[Heath]

.wasn't one of the big things about vlogging being able to 'be' 
personal, to talk, to share, to grow

Heath
http://batmangeek.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> i tend to agree with mister schlomo.
> depends what your "personal videos" are too.
> are they produced, artistic, entertaining, stylistic?
> or are they talking head vids with the primary purpose of basic
> communication?
> if the latter, than i dont know if that can be called an art form.
> it's a video message.
> unless you are being fake.  still, i wouldnt consider it art.
> 
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:50 PM, schlomo rabinowitz 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
> >   Actually, I think for personal vlogging its even more so that
> > face-to-face
> > interaction helps readership to your blog. Well, that, and just 
being a
> > part of various communities.
> > I would be hard-pressed to think that someone actually watches my 
personal
> > vids without knowing me on some sort of level. Otherwise, why 
would you?
> > My personal videoblog was made primarily for my Mom to keep up 
with me; its
> > something that only friends would really be interested in
> > watching/commenting.
> >
> > The personal revolution is not dead, its just PERSONAL. small, 
intimate.
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[videoblogging] Re: Two NYTimes articles on Web Video

[Heath]

I think that works in areas where you have a large vlogging 
community...but I don't see a lot of "hey I was just surfing around 
and found your site" happening much anymore in personal 
vlogging...there is just so much stuff out there...I mean just trying 
to find something new is dauntingI mean just think about it, just 
4 years ago, you could watch every vlog out there, probably in just a 
couple of hours time...if that longNow?!?I have trouble 
keeping up with the 20 or so I watch reguarly...(speaking of which, I 
need to add you to my zune, yes...I said zune) But I hope you are 
right, I hope it will always be on some levelPERSONAL.  ;)

Heath
http://batmangeek.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "schlomo rabinowitz" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Actually, I think for personal vlogging its even more so that face-
to-face
> interaction helps readership to your blog.  Well, that, and just 
being a
> part of various communities.
> I would be hard-pressed to think that someone actually watches my 
personal
> vids without knowing me on some sort of level.  Otherwise, why 
would you?
>  My personal videoblog was made primarily for my Mom to keep up 
with me; its
> something that only friends would really be interested in
> watching/commenting.
> 
> The personal revolution is not dead, its just PERSONAL. small, 
intimate.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >   I still think it's face to face networking that get's you 
noticed, at
> > least if you are trying to do a show. As far as personal vlogging
> > goes, I really wonder how many people care about that anymore. I
> > mean to watch it and comment on it, etc. I don't see the same fire
> > and desire about personal storytelling as I did when I was first
> > startingI am sure part of that is just how things evolve,
> > etcbutit just seems to have waned
> >
> > Now as far as the convergance of the internet and TV, the answer 
is
> > so simple, it's crazy simple.If I could make it, I would, the 
key
> > is the price point of courseinternet in a box, it's all I'm
> > saying..
> >
> > Heath
> > http://batmangeek.com
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ,
> > "schlomo rabinowitz"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > It's sad to say, but the Who You Know will always be a part of 
this
> > business
> > > of entertainment. There are some shows that I think are 
brilliant,
> > but they
> > > just dont know anyone who can help them make their way through 
the
> > economic
> > > landscape.
> > > There are a couple made between the coasts that are great AND 
get
> > noticed.
> > > Like Midwest Teen Sex Show; great stuff and they have gotten a 
lot
> > of press
> > > and job oppourtunites because of their good work.
> > >
> > > There's a reason people move to NY/LA for entertainment work; 
its
> > where the
> > > networking happens and, for myself, thats how I get the better 
jobs
> > I've
> > > had. Face-to-face meeting with people who have work/money to 
give.
> > >
> > > Has the internet and online video specifically changed that all
> > that much?
> > > Or has ole-fashioned Get In Their Face still the preferred model
> > for you
> > > folks on this list? Curious for your thoughts on that.
> > >
> > > The more things change, the more they stay the same. A handshake
> > is still
> > > the best way to meet someone.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Jay dedman  wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > all i know is that I hope the talent ive seen from people here
> > get what
> > > > they
> > > > deserve.
> > > > Wish it wasnt just about who you know.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > Schlomo Rabinowitz
> > > http://schlomolog.blogspot.com
> > > http://hatfactory.net
> > > AIM:schlomochat
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Schlomo Rabinowitz
> http://schlomolog.blogspot.com
> http://hatfactory.net
> AIM:schlomochat
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[videoblogging] Re: Two NYTimes articles on Web Video

[Sheila English]

I just hired an account exec who lives in Manhattan. I do think
face-to-face networking makes a difference. 
And that makes the struggle even harder for those who aren't in LA or
NY. We have our Head of Production in LA and she will go to events and
meetings there, but we really needed to be in NYC. Once we started
sending people out into the field to network we saw a dramatic
increase in orders. 

Sheila

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "schlomo rabinowitz"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It's sad to say, but the Who You Know will always be a part of this
business
> of entertainment.  There are some shows that I think are brilliant,
but they
> just dont know anyone who can help them make their way through the
economic
> landscape.
> There are a couple made between the coasts that are great AND get
noticed.
>  Like Midwest Teen Sex Show; great stuff and they have gotten a lot
of press
> and job oppourtunites because of their good work.
> 
> There's a reason people move to NY/LA for entertainment work; its
where the
> networking happens and, for myself, thats how I get the better jobs I've
> had.  Face-to-face meeting with people who have work/money to give.
> 
> Has the internet and online video specifically changed that all that
much?
> Or has ole-fashioned Get In Their Face still the preferred model for you
> folks on this list?  Curious for your thoughts on that.
> 
> The more things change, the more they stay the same.  A handshake is
still
> the best way to meet someone.
> 
> 

[videoblogging] Re: Two NYTimes articles on Web Video

[Sheila English]

Interesting. NY Times seems to really be paying attention. Last
Wednesday I was interviewed by NY Times for an article coming out next
month. This was specific to what we're doing in the publishing
industry, but the questions were about online video and book trailers. 

It's always great to see online video get big media attention!

Sheila

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Jay dedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Couple of recent articles in the NYTimes about the progess of web
shows made
> by commercial networks.
> Their point is that no one's made the "big hit" yet that will really
excite
> people to regularly start watching episodic shows online.
> The networks are certainly trying hard though.
> 
> It's funny because we had this discussion here several years ago:
Personal
> videoblogging vs "shows"
> Both are certainly valid, but different art forms.
> all i know is that I hope the talent ive seen from people here get
what they
> deserve.
> Wish it wasnt just about who you know.
> 
> 
> http://bit.ly/3y5nFK
> 
> > To get to the point where viewers are choosing between "Two and a
Half Men"
> > on
CBSand
a situation comedy on YouTube, the industry needs better distribution
> > models, more professional backing and financing, and third-party
measurement
> > of traffic.
> >
> > The medium is missing something like a TV Guide for Web video — that
> > magazine's owners and others are scrambling to become the industry
standard.
> > As a result, advertisers "sometimes have trouble navigating" the
market, Mr.
> > Scannell said. Similarly, the industry needs a reliable
third-party arbiter
> > of traffic analytics, something akin to Nielsen's ratings service for
> > television. Not surprisingly, Nielsen and a plethora of other
companies are
> > striving to be that source, but an industry standard has not yet
emerged.
> >
> > Then there is the living room problem.
> >
> > "We need the TVs in the living rooms to be integrated with the
Internet,"
> > said Ron Richards, the director of marketing and product
management for
> > Revision3, which calls itself a "television network for the Internet
> > generation."
> >
> 
> http://bit.ly/O5acB
> 
> Many "original" series on network Web sites are simply marketing
tools for
> television shows. And a look at a few current, more truly original Web
> series with television connections demonstrates that if you're not
packaging
> "Big Brother" outtakes, it helps to have an independent revenue stream.
> Nielsen isn't covering these things yet.
> 
> 
> Jay
> 
> -- 
> http://jaydedman.com
> 917 371 6790
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Two NYTimes articles on Web Video

[Sull]

i tend to agree with mister schlomo.
depends what your "personal videos" are too.
are they produced, artistic, entertaining, stylistic?
or are they talking head vids with the primary purpose of basic
communication?
if the latter, than i dont know if that can be called an art form.
it's a video message.
unless you are being fake.  still, i wouldnt consider it art.

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:50 PM, schlomo rabinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>   Actually, I think for personal vlogging its even more so that
> face-to-face
> interaction helps readership to your blog. Well, that, and just being a
> part of various communities.
> I would be hard-pressed to think that someone actually watches my personal
> vids without knowing me on some sort of level. Otherwise, why would you?
> My personal videoblog was made primarily for my Mom to keep up with me; its
> something that only friends would really be interested in
> watching/commenting.
>
> The personal revolution is not dead, its just PERSONAL. small, intimate.
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Two NYTimes articles on Web Video

[schlomo rabinowitz]

Actually, I think for personal vlogging its even more so that face-to-face
interaction helps readership to your blog.  Well, that, and just being a
part of various communities.
I would be hard-pressed to think that someone actually watches my personal
vids without knowing me on some sort of level.  Otherwise, why would you?
 My personal videoblog was made primarily for my Mom to keep up with me; its
something that only friends would really be interested in
watching/commenting.

The personal revolution is not dead, its just PERSONAL. small, intimate.



On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   I still think it's face to face networking that get's you noticed, at
> least if you are trying to do a show. As far as personal vlogging
> goes, I really wonder how many people care about that anymore. I
> mean to watch it and comment on it, etc. I don't see the same fire
> and desire about personal storytelling as I did when I was first
> startingI am sure part of that is just how things evolve,
> etcbutit just seems to have waned
>
> Now as far as the convergance of the internet and TV, the answer is
> so simple, it's crazy simple.If I could make it, I would, the key
> is the price point of courseinternet in a box, it's all I'm
> saying..
>
> Heath
> http://batmangeek.com
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ,
> "schlomo rabinowitz"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > It's sad to say, but the Who You Know will always be a part of this
> business
> > of entertainment. There are some shows that I think are brilliant,
> but they
> > just dont know anyone who can help them make their way through the
> economic
> > landscape.
> > There are a couple made between the coasts that are great AND get
> noticed.
> > Like Midwest Teen Sex Show; great stuff and they have gotten a lot
> of press
> > and job oppourtunites because of their good work.
> >
> > There's a reason people move to NY/LA for entertainment work; its
> where the
> > networking happens and, for myself, thats how I get the better jobs
> I've
> > had. Face-to-face meeting with people who have work/money to give.
> >
> > Has the internet and online video specifically changed that all
> that much?
> > Or has ole-fashioned Get In Their Face still the preferred model
> for you
> > folks on this list? Curious for your thoughts on that.
> >
> > The more things change, the more they stay the same. A handshake
> is still
> > the best way to meet someone.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > all i know is that I hope the talent ive seen from people here
> get what
> > > they
> > > deserve.
> > > Wish it wasnt just about who you know.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > Schlomo Rabinowitz
> > http://schlomolog.blogspot.com
> > http://hatfactory.net
> > AIM:schlomochat
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>  
>



-- 
Schlomo Rabinowitz
http://schlomolog.blogspot.com
http://hatfactory.net
AIM:schlomochat


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Two NYTimes articles on Web Video

[Brook Hinton]

In my dreams, decisions connected to the quality of creative output are made
by anonymous judges looking at submissions in which the author's names have
been blacked out to avoid any "who you know" bias whatsoever.
In my naive youth, I assumed people at least tried to act as though that
were the case because of course everyone wants quality and hard work, not
social skills and personal popularity, to be determine what gets through the
gates.

Now I am old and cynical and know, too late,  that It is so. not. true.

Brook

___
Brook Hinton
film/video/audio art
www.brookhinton.com
studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab


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[videoblogging] Re: Two NYTimes articles on Web Video

[Heath]

I still think it's face to face networking that get's you noticed, at 
least if you are trying to do a show.  As far as personal vlogging 
goes, I really wonder how many people care about that anymore.  I 
mean to watch it and comment on it, etc.  I don't see the same fire 
and desire about personal storytelling as I did when I was first 
startingI am sure part of that is just how things evolve, 
etcbutit just seems to have waned

Now as far as the convergance of the internet and TV, the answer is 
so simple, it's crazy simple.If I could make it, I would, the key 
is the price point of courseinternet in a box, it's all I'm 
saying..

Heath
http://batmangeek.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "schlomo rabinowitz" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It's sad to say, but the Who You Know will always be a part of this 
business
> of entertainment.  There are some shows that I think are brilliant, 
but they
> just dont know anyone who can help them make their way through the 
economic
> landscape.
> There are a couple made between the coasts that are great AND get 
noticed.
>  Like Midwest Teen Sex Show; great stuff and they have gotten a lot 
of press
> and job oppourtunites because of their good work.
> 
> There's a reason people move to NY/LA for entertainment work; its 
where the
> networking happens and, for myself, thats how I get the better jobs 
I've
> had.  Face-to-face meeting with people who have work/money to give.
> 
> Has the internet and online video specifically changed that all 
that much?
> Or has ole-fashioned Get In Their Face still the preferred model 
for you
> folks on this list?  Curious for your thoughts on that.
> 
> The more things change, the more they stay the same.  A handshake 
is still
> the best way to meet someone.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >
> > all i know is that I hope the talent ive seen from people here 
get what
> > they
> > deserve.
> > Wish it wasnt just about who you know.
> >
> >
> > --
> Schlomo Rabinowitz
> http://schlomolog.blogspot.com
> http://hatfactory.net
> AIM:schlomochat
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>