[videoblogging] Re: how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
You need popups whenever you spin off an independent timeline. An edit box has a timeline, a video has a timeline, but a passive control like a title doesn't have a timeline. SAY WHAT? HUH??? On 10/10/05, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is probably the only type of pop-up I don't mind. It allows me to do other stuff while the clip is playing. Saves me from opening in a new tab or window. On 10/11/05, aroundtheperimeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you vlog has its video pop up in a new window, is it annoying? -- ~Devlon http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://whiteguyforeignfoods.blogspot.com http://devlon.blogspot.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
I have to say that I think I agree with you. Sometimes I don't mind it, but sometimes I hate it when a new window pops up. Of course now that I tab everything its not really a big deal for me (firefox). You can say offensive. Who cares! I posted some ideas I was having and someone responded with Everyone's an expert I KNOW I'M NOT EXPERT! I can't even figure out how to get my QT PRO TO work on my PC. Sorry for that tangent. Maybe I should creat a poll about the window pop up..hmm --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 4:38 + 11/10/05, aroundtheperimeter wrote: If you vlog has its video pop up in a new window, is it annoying? For me it is very annoying. Web content is made out of text, graphics, video whatever, and presented together in a single page. I won't use the word offensive, because I got in trouble for it last time, but for a web site to then make a decision to open a new window for you, is against the whole point of the web: interconnecting content, presented in a way decided by the viewer, not the author. If I want to open a new window, I'll either Apple-click in Safari, or shift-click in windows to do just that. I'll make the decision thank you, I don't want the content guessing the way I like to work. If a page opens a window for me, I'll usually close both windows and not come back to the site. There's a million sites to look at, without having to deal with ones that waste my time and effort to look at them. Just my opinion. :-) Regards, Richard -- Vlog: http://www.kashum.com Feed: http://www.kashum.com/rss2.xml Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
I agree steve's emmebeded approach is the best!!! by far! i want to be able to do that :(... one day i will be able to --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i like it when the video stays in the browser window.I don't like the way Taylor does his popups (the actual quicktime app) and unless there is a good reason for having a popup (like freevlog) then i say don't do it. Ideally, all videos would be transcoded and embedded right in the page like steve garfields...but not all of us are vblog central members, and not all of us can do that...so i say let it play int he browser window that is already open On 10/11/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man! Don't you just hate it when people center things, like pop-ups, and don't take into account people with dual screens? Devlon wrote: I should clarify that I have two monitors so that makes a difference. On 10/10/05, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is probably the only type of pop-up I don't mind. It allows me to do other stuff while the clip is playing. Saves me from opening in a new tab or window. On 10/11/05, aroundtheperimeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you vlog has its video pop up in a new window, is it annoying? -- ~Devlon http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://whiteguyforeignfoods.blogspot.com http://devlon.blogspot.com -- ~Devlon http://8bitme.blogspot.com http://whiteguyforeignfoods.blogspot.com http://devlon.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links . -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- Josh Leo joshleo.com http://joshleo.com stonefarm.blogspot.com http://stonefarm.blogspot.com joshspicks.blogspot.com http://joshspicks.blogspot.com wearethemedia.com http://wearethemedia.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
Thats strange. Safari window resizes for me, doesnt disappear completely, and other tabs are still available. On firefox 1.5 beta 1, the window does not seem to resize at all. I like the php script, but I dont think I like it resizing the main browser, Id rather have a popup than that. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks, josh. it closed the Safari browser i was working in containing other tabs i was using. nice one. cheers r -- URL: http://r.24x7.com Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively On Oct 11, 2005, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Actually, a pop-up window with an embedded player is quite useful. Most people on the web are using MIcrosoft Internet Explorer (unfortunately), and IE disables Quicktime Fast-Start playback unless the video is properly embedded using both the HTML Object and Embed tags. Simply linking to your videos, as many of us do, leaves IE users waiting for whole video to download before it will begin to play. Here's one solution... I was playing around with this a while back: http://www.joshkinberg.com/blog/popup.php?url=http://joshkinberg.com/ blog/files/tornado.mov Its a simple PHP page that you can pass in the URL of a video file and it will properly embed that video. This way, you don't have to make a new HTML page for every video pop-up window. You use the same page and simply pass in the URL to the video you wish to display. This could also be modified to handle various video types (like WMV). Lastly, I also added controls to resize the video and window (which might seem annoying to some of you, but hey just playing around here). My idea was to finish this off and pass it to OurMedia so that people could have a place to load up their video in a pop-up if they wished this is not easy to do if you're on Blogger and have no where to upload HTML or PHP files. But... I got sidetracked with other things and never finished this off. Not even sure if other people would find it useful. What do you think? -josh Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
(And to whoever said the webs whole point was to let the user decide how to see information That may have been me. I said something similar, but I think you've misrepresented what I meant. HTML has never let the user dictate how it's parsed. The web is meant to easily interconnect sets of data and let the user decide how to travese it ... but it's also meant to allow content publishers to easily make that data available in a manner they the publisher choose.) What I was referring to, is that HTML is structural and contextual mark up, and individual visual user agents (web browsers) are mostly free to display HTML however they wish. The point being, publishers provide the data, and the user (or browser) decides how to view it. Pop-ups arguably fly in the face of this, as they dictate a specific user interface. From the other side, it also breaks standard user interface guidelines in that it isn't immediately obviously whether a hyperlink will open in the same window, or in a pop-up window. Windows which open themselves are also bad UI. But I don't want this to be a technical discussion, some people seem to like pop-ups, and some don't, so I'll opt out now... Regards, Richard -- Vlog: http://www.kashum.com Feed: http://www.kashum.com/rss2.xml Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
I'll third this. I love the way Steve has his. Ideally, it would be great to have it embedded (default to mov), but not auto-load, provide a choice of decoder (mov/wmv/flv even) and maybe even go so far as to give me a link to open in a new window (saves me a right-click then another click...yes, lazy) But that's just me being picky.On 10/11/05, aroundtheperimeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree steve's emmebeded approach is the best!!! by far! i want to be able to do that :(... one day i will be able to --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i like it when the video stays in the browser window.I don't like the way Taylor does his popups (the actual quicktime app) and unless there is a good reason for having a popup (like freevlog) then i say don't do it. Ideally, all videos would be transcoded and embedded right in the page like steve garfields...but not all of us are vblog central members, and not all of us can do that...so i say let it play int he browser window that is already open -- ~Devlonhttp://8bitme.blogspot.com http://whiteguyforeignfoods.blogspot.comhttp://devlon.blogspot.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
Devlon wrote: and maybe even go so far as to give me a link to open in a new window (saves me a right-click then another click...yes, lazy) If your non-mouse hand is on or near the keyboard it's also pretty easy to hit a modifier key and then click instead of right-clicking to open the link in a new tab/window. (If your hand is *not* on the keyboard, I don't want to know where it is!) Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
Yeah, there's a javascript window resizing control that I should take out because ideally that would be controlled by the link launching the window, not the new window itself. Again though, this was just playing around. The main point being that you could create a pop-up window that points to this and include the URL path of your video file to display whatever video you wish. Eliminates the need for writing separate HTML page for each pop-up you want to make -- however for it to work properly you'd still need to know how to write a javascript pop-up function. Not terribly hard if you know what you're doing... but many people don't. -Josh On 10/11/05, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats strange. Safari window resizes for me, doesnt disappear completely, and other tabs are still available. On firefox 1.5 beta 1, the window does not seem to resize at all. I like the php script, but I dont think I like it resizing the main browser, Id rather have a popup than that. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks, josh. it closed the Safari browser i was working in containing other tabs i was using. nice one. cheers r -- URL: http://r.24x7.com Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively On Oct 11, 2005, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Actually, a pop-up window with an embedded player is quite useful. Most people on the web are using MIcrosoft Internet Explorer (unfortunately), and IE disables Quicktime Fast-Start playback unless the video is properly embedded using both the HTML Object and Embed tags. Simply linking to your videos, as many of us do, leaves IE users waiting for whole video to download before it will begin to play. Here's one solution... I was playing around with this a while back: http://www.joshkinberg.com/blog/popup.php?url=http://joshkinberg.com/ blog/files/tornado.mov Its a simple PHP page that you can pass in the URL of a video file and it will properly embed that video. This way, you don't have to make a new HTML page for every video pop-up window. You use the same page and simply pass in the URL to the video you wish to display. This could also be modified to handle various video types (like WMV). Lastly, I also added controls to resize the video and window (which might seem annoying to some of you, but hey just playing around here). My idea was to finish this off and pass it to OurMedia so that people could have a place to load up their video in a pop-up if they wished this is not easy to do if you're on Blogger and have no where to upload HTML or PHP files. But... I got sidetracked with other things and never finished this off. Not even sure if other people would find it useful. What do you think? -josh Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
On 10/11/05, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I was referring to, is that HTML is structural and contextualmark up, and individual visual user agents (web browsers) are mostly free to display HTML however they wish. The point being, publishersprovide the data, and the user (or browser) decides how to view it. I'm not trying to beargumentative, butI'm still not sure I agree with this.Browsers are not really free to decide how it's displayed - they CAN yes but... they are supposed to adhere to a standard by the w3c.HTML/DHTML/_javascript_ ... they were all designed to let publishers layout and present information and interfaces. When one of the browsers would parse something in a way that wasn't standard - publishers went crazy (that was the whole browser wars of the mid-late 90s). XML is interface/layout free ... but HTML/CSS/DHTML/JS and the like are all very much about letting the publisher define how his information is presented. Pop-ups arguably fly in the face of this, as they dictate a specificuser interface. They simply open a new window. I realize this alters the 'user interface' ... but so doesa non-popups link. If I click a non-embeded link to a MOV file, the stuff I was reading goes away .. thats dictating how my interface works just as much. From the other side, it also breaks standard user interfaceguidelines in that it isn't immediately obviously whether a hyperlink will open in the same window, or in a pop-up window. Windows whichopen themselves are also bad UI. Well I disagree in that last bit there. Bad UI is whatever is counter-intuitive for the user. here's an example. just before I started vlogging I was building out some test pages. I had a test page with a quicktime movie (it wasn't mine I was just testing my database stuff). I asked my co-worker to watch the video ... she opened the test page url and clicked the link. Quicktime took over, the web page vanished and the player was there. She audibly gasped and slammed the back button. She did this 3 more times before she closed the window and said fucking make it stop doing that. So if a user base is expecting a popup and they dont get one that too is bad design. Granted that was a user test of one person ... but you get the idea. If the person had planned on reading the text blog below a post or the comments as the video loads ... and when they click the button that page vanishes, that's counter-intuitive. But you are right that pop-upscan very easily the most annoying thing on the web. Using them effectively is tricky. To know what good ui is for a given application really requires a usability test with real users. I think that in the end people get used to the way their favorite websites work and either solution is ok if its done well. - Dave http://www.davidmeade.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
a *pop-up service* like this might make sense since, as josh correctly points out, one needs to know java script to make these things. vlog publishers gain presentation choice, the host gains revenue or statistics or both. would a service along the lines of this work (of course with the scripting better sorted:) and perhaps also speak to peter's conversation re money? URL: http://www.joshkinberg.com/blog/popup.php?url=http://www.24x7.com/blog/ vlogs/vlogeurope2005.mov cheers r -- URL: http://r.24x7.com Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively On Oct 11, 2005, at 2:46 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Yeah, there's a javascript window resizing control that I should take out because ideally that would be controlled by the link launching the window, not the new window itself. Again though, this was just playing around. The main point being that you could create a pop-up window that points to this and include the URL path of your video file to display whatever video you wish. Eliminates the need for writing separate HTML page for each pop-up you want to make -- however for it to work properly you'd still need to know how to write a javascript pop-up function. Not terribly hard if you know what you're doing... but many people don't. -Josh On 10/11/05, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats strange. Safari window resizes for me, doesnt disappear completely, and other tabs are still available. On firefox 1.5 beta 1, the window does not seem to resize at all. I like the php script, but I dont think I like it resizing the main browser, Id rather have a popup than that. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks, josh. it closed the Safari browser i was working in containing other tabs i was using. nice one. cheers r -- URL: http://r.24x7.com Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively On Oct 11, 2005, at 12:53 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Actually, a pop-up window with an embedded player is quite useful. Most people on the web are using MIcrosoft Internet Explorer (unfortunately), and IE disables Quicktime Fast-Start playback unless the video is properly embedded using both the HTML Object and Embed tags. Simply linking to your videos, as many of us do, leaves IE users waiting for whole video to download before it will begin to play. Here's one solution... I was playing around with this a while back: http://www.joshkinberg.com/blog/popup.php?url=http:// joshkinberg.com/ blog/files/tornado.mov Its a simple PHP page that you can pass in the URL of a video file and it will properly embed that video. This way, you don't have to make a new HTML page for every video pop-up window. You use the same page and simply pass in the URL to the video you wish to display. This could also be modified to handle various video types (like WMV). Lastly, I also added controls to resize the video and window (which might seem annoying to some of you, but hey just playing around here). My idea was to finish this off and pass it to OurMedia so that people could have a place to load up their video in a pop-up if they wished this is not easy to do if you're on Blogger and have no where to upload HTML or PHP files. But... I got sidetracked with other things and never finished this off. Not even sure if other people would find it useful. What do you think? -josh Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: how do you feel about video popping up in a new window?
I keep going back and forth from hating pop-ups to depending on the content. Sometimes if I want to read the content on the vlog I love the pop-up. If I don't want to read it then I would rather have it embedded. I was just thinking why not have both options!? That would be the best! --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, aroundtheperimeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you vlog has its video pop up in a new window, is it annoying? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
