[videoblogging] Re: pyro.tv transcoding and rehosting your stuff
I'm not sure why these aggregators don't provide a link - the Permalink is provided in the RSS feed. Mefeedia does this everywhere there is a reference to your video. It is easy. Thanks, -Frank Frank Sinton CEO, Mefeedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mefeedia.com - Find, Watch, and Share great videoblogs and podcasts. Our blog: http://mefeedia.com/blog --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We build a page for each producer's show, complete with your show name, a link to your original website, links to your RSS feed (for an audience to subscribe), and links to the original media. I think that is an interesting statement. My 'original' website links to my RSS feed, and links to my 'original' media. The only problem is that they are not respecting my 'original' media. Or my original site. Or my RSS feed (or at least Steve's which has a proper CC in the feed...). They are creating new media with my content. That's uncool. I have yet to ask them to remove our show from their listings, as I have yet to do with Magnify.net, which I consider to be the same disrespectful business model of Pyro and My Heavy. These asshats need to start playing by some respectful rules. Just because they went out and whored themselves for big VC money doesn't give them the right to slurp up our content and give us some song and dance about how they really are helping us. For crying out loud! Is it that difficult to give a link and not to re-encode content, and to drive traffic to the original site? Of course it's not. They simply have zero respect for independent content creators. And that's the real rub, isn't it? I mean is anyone here not offended by the total lack of respect that they give all of us? I'd like to see a my heavy, pyro, magnify business model that was scraping corporate media's content. Cheers, Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv On Apr 15, 2007, at 9:17 AM, Steve Watkins wrote: Aha, interesting, I hadnt noticed the permalink issue. Their publishers page still says We build a page for each producer's show, complete with your show name, a link to your original website, links to your RSS feed (for an audience to subscribe), and links to the original media. so hopefully this is just some oversight when they redesigned their site - was it working as advertised in the past? Hmm I said I wouldnt still be ranting about network2 in 6 months, but that was based on no new violations of creators rights. Still, I feel more than a little awkward being in this territory again. I had hoped that the strong networking by network2's Chris Brogan, the participation of some vloggers in that VON and other meetups, and the participation by some members of this community in the network2 competition, meant there were exceedingly strong channels of communication between creators and network2, and that therefore this sort of thing was unlikely to happen. What do people think about them now including easily cutpasteable 'permalinks' for your videos, which are permalinks to the network2 page for the show, and also their embedded player, which I havent tried yet but suspect will be another feature designed to drive traffic to their site and not to the content creators. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield steve@ wrote: It matters. I just emailed them to fix it. No link back to permalink of blog entry ( it's in the feed ) http://network2.tv/episode/2832833/ No display of CC license ( it's in the feed ) http://network2.tv/episode/2832833/ --Steve On Apr 14, 2007, at 7:16 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: if sites like network2 are opt-in now, then I suppose it doesnt amtter so much if they dont show creative commons feed info? -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: pyro.tv transcoding and rehosting your stuff
It matters. I just emailed them to fix it. No link back to permalink of blog entry ( it's in the feed ) http://network2.tv/episode/2832833/ No display of CC license ( it's in the feed ) http://network2.tv/episode/2832833/ --Steve On Apr 14, 2007, at 7:16 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: if sites like network2 are opt-in now, then I suppose it doesnt amtter so much if they dont show creative commons feed info? -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com
[videoblogging] Re: pyro.tv transcoding and rehosting your stuff
Aha, interesting, I hadnt noticed the permalink issue. Their publishers page still says We build a page for each producer's show, complete with your show name, a link to your original website, links to your RSS feed (for an audience to subscribe), and links to the original media. so hopefully this is just some oversight when they redesigned their site - was it working as advertised in the past? Hmm I said I wouldnt still be ranting about network2 in 6 months, but that was based on no new violations of creators rights. Still, I feel more than a little awkward being in this territory again. I had hoped that the strong networking by network2's Chris Brogan, the participation of some vloggers in that VON and other meetups, and the participation by some members of this community in the network2 competition, meant there were exceedingly strong channels of communication between creators and network2, and that therefore this sort of thing was unlikely to happen. What do people think about them now including easily cutpasteable 'permalinks' for your videos, which are permalinks to the network2 page for the show, and also their embedded player, which I havent tried yet but suspect will be another feature designed to drive traffic to their site and not to the content creators. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It matters. I just emailed them to fix it. No link back to permalink of blog entry ( it's in the feed ) http://network2.tv/episode/2832833/ No display of CC license ( it's in the feed ) http://network2.tv/episode/2832833/ --Steve On Apr 14, 2007, at 7:16 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: if sites like network2 are opt-in now, then I suppose it doesnt amtter so much if they dont show creative commons feed info? -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: pyro.tv transcoding and rehosting your stuff
We build a page for each producer's show, complete with your show name, a link to your original website, links to your RSS feed (for an audience to subscribe), and links to the original media. I think that is an interesting statement. My 'original' website links to my RSS feed, and links to my 'original' media. The only problem is that they are not respecting my 'original' media. Or my original site. Or my RSS feed (or at least Steve's which has a proper CC in the feed...). They are creating new media with my content. That's uncool. I have yet to ask them to remove our show from their listings, as I have yet to do with Magnify.net, which I consider to be the same disrespectful business model of Pyro and My Heavy. These asshats need to start playing by some respectful rules. Just because they went out and whored themselves for big VC money doesn't give them the right to slurp up our content and give us some song and dance about how they really are helping us. For crying out loud! Is it that difficult to give a link and not to re-encode content, and to drive traffic to the original site? Of course it's not. They simply have zero respect for independent content creators. And that's the real rub, isn't it? I mean is anyone here not offended by the total lack of respect that they give all of us? I'd like to see a my heavy, pyro, magnify business model that was scraping corporate media's content. Cheers, Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv On Apr 15, 2007, at 9:17 AM, Steve Watkins wrote: Aha, interesting, I hadnt noticed the permalink issue. Their publishers page still says We build a page for each producer's show, complete with your show name, a link to your original website, links to your RSS feed (for an audience to subscribe), and links to the original media. so hopefully this is just some oversight when they redesigned their site - was it working as advertised in the past? Hmm I said I wouldnt still be ranting about network2 in 6 months, but that was based on no new violations of creators rights. Still, I feel more than a little awkward being in this territory again. I had hoped that the strong networking by network2's Chris Brogan, the participation of some vloggers in that VON and other meetups, and the participation by some members of this community in the network2 competition, meant there were exceedingly strong channels of communication between creators and network2, and that therefore this sort of thing was unlikely to happen. What do people think about them now including easily cutpasteable 'permalinks' for your videos, which are permalinks to the network2 page for the show, and also their embedded player, which I havent tried yet but suspect will be another feature designed to drive traffic to their site and not to the content creators. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It matters. I just emailed them to fix it. No link back to permalink of blog entry ( it's in the feed ) http://network2.tv/episode/2832833/ No display of CC license ( it's in the feed ) http://network2.tv/episode/2832833/ --Steve On Apr 14, 2007, at 7:16 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: if sites like network2 are opt-in now, then I suppose it doesnt amtter so much if they dont show creative commons feed info? -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: pyro.tv transcoding and rehosting your stuff
I actually ended up stopping by this site a few days ago. I think it was mentioned in some article i read. Funny thing is, they have the exact same tagline as one of the sites I worked on. But yeah, they are giving you attribution but they are definately re-hosting a newly transcoded flv file: http://www.pyro.tv/media/4/sharedmedia/6/40/10/5075_416572.mp4.flv Sull On 4/14/07, ryanne hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm referring them to the vertigo aggregator best practices http://videovertigo.org/information/aggregation/ though i'm not seeing on there a specific clause about transcoding and re-hosting other than this phrase: Aggregators should always conduct video playback in the video's original player, rather than the aggregator's player. i don't think that's specific enough.. that says original player, not original format. technically would that be considered the same thing? because quicktime just has one player flash could possibly have different players so i'm a little confused on that wording. -ry On 4/14/07, ryanne hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED]ryanne.hodson%40gmail.com wrote: yep. another one http://www.pyro.tv/ transcoding your stuff to flash (heck, it even looks ok) but then re-hosting. and i so sick and tired that i'll just let this one slide? um no. that ain't cool. SIGH -ryanne -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: pyro.tv transcoding and rehosting your stuff
They seem to be giving attribution and providing direct download links to the original file ... downloads will hit blip for stats and links will hit feedburner and what not ... but the transcoding still bugs me. I wonder why these sites are so determined to eat up their own hosting/bandwidth space when they needn't? They seem to have come close at this site and say on their publishers page: Protecting Your Stuff We are creative types ourselves and understand that hollow and angry feeling when someone hijacks your stuff. So we provide very visible attribution of your content, which we copy completely intact with all beauty you intended. And if you don't want your videos on Pyro.TV, we promise to take it down right away Sounds like they may be the sort who will be willing to go that last mile and stop the copy portion of their plan and just use the content we're already distributing in the feed. ... here's hoping. :-) - Dave On 4/14/07, ryanne hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm referring them to the vertigo aggregator best practices http://videovertigo.org/information/aggregation/ though i'm not seeing on there a specific clause about transcoding and re-hosting other than this phrase: Aggregators should always conduct video playback in the video's original player, rather than the aggregator's player. i don't think that's specific enough.. that says original player, not original format. technically would that be considered the same thing? because quicktime just has one player flash could possibly have different players so i'm a little confused on that wording. -ry On 4/14/07, ryanne hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep. another one http://www.pyro.tv/ transcoding your stuff to flash (heck, it even looks ok) but then re-hosting. and i so sick and tired that i'll just let this one slide? um no. that ain't cool. SIGH -ryanne -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: pyro.tv transcoding and rehosting your stuff
I think its in part because they want to assure all videos on their site are flash in order to avoid playback issues with users... and also it provides them with some deeper viewing stats as well. They are using on2 flix http://on2.com/technology/flix-features/ They are using their bandwidth. Both cost money. However The transcoding software is just good tool to have under the hood for a startup in the video space. So not a waste of money there. The bandwidth could also be insignificant until they become BIG. I think it comes back to stats and it just works perspective. Keep in mind, few services openly offer flv format like blip does. If more did so, then we would probably see less rehosting of the flash format. Sull On 4/14/07, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They seem to be giving attribution and providing direct download links to the original file ... downloads will hit blip for stats and links will hit feedburner and what not ... but the transcoding still bugs me. I wonder why these sites are so determined to eat up their own hosting/bandwidth space when they needn't? They seem to have come close at this site and say on their publishers page: Protecting Your Stuff We are creative types ourselves and understand that hollow and angry feeling when someone hijacks your stuff. So we provide very visible attribution of your content, which we copy completely intact with all beauty you intended. And if you don't want your videos on Pyro.TV, we promise to take it down right away Sounds like they may be the sort who will be willing to go that last mile and stop the copy portion of their plan and just use the content we're already distributing in the feed. ... here's hoping. :-) - Dave On 4/14/07, ryanne hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED]ryanne.hodson%40gmail.com wrote: i'm referring them to the vertigo aggregator best practices http://videovertigo.org/information/aggregation/ though i'm not seeing on there a specific clause about transcoding and re-hosting other than this phrase: Aggregators should always conduct video playback in the video's original player, rather than the aggregator's player. i don't think that's specific enough.. that says original player, not original format. technically would that be considered the same thing? because quicktime just has one player flash could possibly have different players so i'm a little confused on that wording. -ry On 4/14/07, ryanne hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED]ryanne.hodson%40gmail.com wrote: yep. another one http://www.pyro.tv/ transcoding your stuff to flash (heck, it even looks ok) but then re-hosting. and i so sick and tired that i'll just let this one slide? um no. that ain't cool. SIGH -ryanne -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: pyro.tv transcoding and rehosting your stuff
Long live blip.tv. I agree, their strategy of offering the flv permalink sets them apart in a world of vieo hosting options. And with that single link, we videobloggers have a whole host of other fun things we can do with our content. (This has been an unpaid and sincerely honest endorsement.) Best, Carter Harkins http://CrowdAbout.us --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think its in part because they want to assure all videos on their site are flash in order to avoid playback issues with users... and also it provides them with some deeper viewing stats as well. They are using on2 flix http://on2.com/technology/flix-features/ They are using their bandwidth. Both cost money. However The transcoding software is just good tool to have under the hood for a startup in the video space. So not a waste of money there. The bandwidth could also be insignificant until they become BIG. I think it comes back to stats and it just works perspective. Keep in mind, few services openly offer flv format like blip does. If more did so, then we would probably see less rehosting of the flash format. Sull On 4/14/07, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They seem to be giving attribution and providing direct download links to the original file ... downloads will hit blip for stats and links will hit feedburner and what not ... but the transcoding still bugs me. I wonder why these sites are so determined to eat up their own hosting/bandwidth space when they needn't? They seem to have come close at this site and say on their publishers page: Protecting Your Stuff We are creative types ourselves and understand that hollow and angry feeling when someone hijacks your stuff. So we provide very visible attribution of your content, which we copy completely intact with all beauty you intended. And if you don't want your videos on Pyro.TV, we promise to take it down right away Sounds like they may be the sort who will be willing to go that last mile and stop the copy portion of their plan and just use the content we're already distributing in the feed. ... here's hoping. :-) - Dave On 4/14/07, ryanne hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED]ryanne.hodson%40gmail.com wrote: i'm referring them to the vertigo aggregator best practices http://videovertigo.org/information/aggregation/ though i'm not seeing on there a specific clause about transcoding and re-hosting other than this phrase: Aggregators should always conduct video playback in the video's original player, rather than the aggregator's player. i don't think that's specific enough.. that says original player, not original format. technically would that be considered the same thing? because quicktime just has one player flash could possibly have different players so i'm a little confused on that wording. -ry On 4/14/07, ryanne hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED]ryanne.hodson%40gmail.com wrote: yep. another one http://www.pyro.tv/ transcoding your stuff to flash (heck, it even looks ok) but then re-hosting. and i so sick and tired that i'll just let this one slide? um no. that ain't cool. SIGH -ryanne -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: pyro.tv transcoding and rehosting your stuff
Then what about magnify.net? I haven't looked closely at how they aggregate videos...can anyone enlighten me? Carter CrowdAbout.us --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I blogged about it here: http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/2007/03/mike-hudacks-rules-for- video-sharing.html or http://tinyurl.com/2pvyg9 And posted their initial response: Update from Pyro.tv via Roxanne: I understand the importance of tracking views and data. We will be soon releasing a tool for publishers like yourself to get direct visibility to your feed and titles performance through our service. I will let you know when it is available. In the meantime, I'd be happy to pass along any data we had already gathered (granted we have only been public for a few days). I have passed your feedback to our product group and will be implementing changes as soon as we can. If you visit the site you should see that the pyro.tv watermark in the player has already been removed. I am also recommending a clear link in the player area titled Visit this publisher's website or something similar, among other changes to provide clear information about the content owner and rights. Any additional feedback you can provide would be greatly appreciated. On Apr 14, 2007, at 7:44 AM, Steve Garfield wrote: Hey, A few of us contacted them last month and since then they have removed the branding from the video and added a link back to the website. They still don't link to the permalink of the post and they don't display the CC license that's embedded in my RSS feed. It's right in my feed: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.0/ --Steve On Apr 14, 2007, at 6:10 AM, Jan McLaughlin wrote: Blip's ads do not play through. That's a factor... Jan On 4/14/07, Adam Quirk, Wreck Salvage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the gold rushes the people who got rich were the ones selling pans and shovels, not the panners. People who are out to make a buck on the back of another will always be able find a way to do that. I don't respect them, but I accept them. Like I accept the existence of bacteria in my intestine. I know it's living in there, serving some kind of purpose, I just usually avoid thinking about it. If they become larger, like a tapeworm say, and start causing health problems, like stealing viewership and therefore ad revenue, then maybe it's time to call in the Quinacrine, or a lawyer. Drunken metaphoring, sorry if none of that made sense. -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/fauxpress [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com
[videoblogging] Re: pyro.tv transcoding and rehosting your stuff
We had our stuff removed last month and we're working through partners to get them to realize that reencoding is not cool. -K --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], ryanne hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i also got a response from them saying what sull had said that they transcode so it's a more reliable playback experience... Ryanne - I'll have your channel removed as soon as possible. Just an FYI, I understand that transcoding and hosting is an issue, but we decided to go ahead with it because it significantly improves the viewing experience in a web environment. We track all viewing data (not just downloads) and will be making it available to all publishers in the next week. On 4/14/07, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I blogged about it here: http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/2007/03/mike-hudacks-rules-for- video-sharing.html or http://tinyurl.com/2pvyg9 And posted their initial response: Update from Pyro.tv via Roxanne: I understand the importance of tracking views and data. We will be soon releasing a tool for publishers like yourself to get direct visibility to your feed and titles performance through our service. I will let you know when it is available. In the meantime, I'd be happy to pass along any data we had already gathered (granted we have only been public for a few days). I have passed your feedback to our product group and will be implementing changes as soon as we can. If you visit the site you should see that the pyro.tv watermark in the player has already been removed. I am also recommending a clear link in the player area titled Visit this publisher's website or something similar, among other changes to provide clear information about the content owner and rights. Any additional feedback you can provide would be greatly appreciated. On Apr 14, 2007, at 7:44 AM, Steve Garfield wrote: Hey, A few of us contacted them last month and since then they have removed the branding from the video and added a link back to the website. They still don't link to the permalink of the post and they don't display the CC license that's embedded in my RSS feed. It's right in my feed: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.0/ --Steve On Apr 14, 2007, at 6:10 AM, Jan McLaughlin wrote: Blip's ads do not play through. That's a factor... Jan On 4/14/07, Adam Quirk, Wreck Salvage [EMAIL PROTECTED]quirk%40wreckandsalvage.com wrote: In the gold rushes the people who got rich were the ones selling pans and shovels, not the panners. People who are out to make a buck on the back of another will always be able find a way to do that. I don't respect them, but I accept them. Like I accept the existence of bacteria in my intestine. I know it's living in there, serving some kind of purpose, I just usually avoid thinking about it. If they become larger, like a tapeworm say, and start causing health problems, like stealing viewership and therefore ad revenue, then maybe it's time to call in the Quinacrine, or a lawyer. Drunken metaphoring, sorry if none of that made sense. -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/fauxpress [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: pyro.tv transcoding and rehosting your stuff
By reencoding footage they are on extremely rocky legal ground. They are actively redistributing content, and so they absolutely must adhere to peoples license. They cant try and wriggle around in the grey area that some who only embed videos have over this issue in the past. They are also most definatly making commercial use of these videos, they are a company, its a business (see http://www.vibesolutions.net/vsg/htdocs/about/press_release-20070327.jsp for example) , and again by re-encoding and hosting I think the issue is much less grey. So they are commercial, so even if they properly honoured the other creative commons terms such as attribution and displaying the license, they are not granted the rights they are taking. The only grey I can see in this issue is if someone legally ruled that such use of video was not commercial. If I were that judge I would obviously not come to such a determination, being as the video is the main commodity that creates value for these businesses. They are not the first to cling to the DMCA ideas about copyright, that we must opt-out of this leechery. In the past some here have thought this an innapropriate defense, being as DMCA provisions apply to the likes of youtube and users uploading copyrighted clips on a manual basis. Wheras wholesale ripping of RSS syndication feeds on an automatic basis, doesnt quite seem within the spirit of that particualr DMCA mechanism, as Veoh found out to their peril. This conversation faded out again last time without any satisfactory conclusion to the 'show creative commons license on your site' issue. I was someone who wanted blip.tv to exert more pressure on its partners to make sure this information is present on the partner sites. I havent seen this happening, but then again if sites like network2 are opt-in now, then I suppose it doesnt amtter so much if they dont show creative commons feed info? Its the opt-out ones that need to make sure they follow every letter of a license because they havent received rights explicitly granted to them by the video creators, they have to rely on the cc ones. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kent Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We had our stuff removed last month and we're working through partners to get them to realize that reencoding is not cool. -K --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], ryanne hodson ryanne.hodson@ wrote: i also got a response from them saying what sull had said that they transcode so it's a more reliable playback experience... Ryanne - I'll have your channel removed as soon as possible. Just an FYI, I understand that transcoding and hosting is an issue, but we decided to go ahead with it because it significantly improves the viewing experience in a web environment. We track all viewing data (not just downloads) and will be making it available to all publishers in the next week. On 4/14/07, Steve Garfield steve@ wrote: I blogged about it here: http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/2007/03/mike-hudacks-rules-for- video-sharing.html or http://tinyurl.com/2pvyg9 And posted their initial response: Update from Pyro.tv via Roxanne: I understand the importance of tracking views and data. We will be soon releasing a tool for publishers like yourself to get direct visibility to your feed and titles performance through our service. I will let you know when it is available. In the meantime, I'd be happy to pass along any data we had already gathered (granted we have only been public for a few days). I have passed your feedback to our product group and will be implementing changes as soon as we can. If you visit the site you should see that the pyro.tv watermark in the player has already been removed. I am also recommending a clear link in the player area titled Visit this publisher's website or something similar, among other changes to provide clear information about the content owner and rights. Any additional feedback you can provide would be greatly appreciated. On Apr 14, 2007, at 7:44 AM, Steve Garfield wrote: Hey, A few of us contacted them last month and since then they have removed the branding from the video and added a link back to the website. They still don't link to the permalink of the post and they don't display the CC license that's embedded in my RSS feed. It's right in my feed: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.0/ --Steve On Apr 14, 2007, at 6:10 AM, Jan McLaughlin wrote: Blip's ads do not play through. That's a factor... Jan On 4/14/07, Adam Quirk, Wreck Salvage quirk@quirk%40wreckandsalvage.com wrote: In the gold rushes the people who got rich were the ones selling pans and shovels, not the panners. People who are out to make a buck on the back of another will always
[videoblogging] Re: pyro.tv transcoding and rehosting your stuff
i'm referring them to the vertigo aggregator best practices http://videovertigo.org/information/aggregation/ though i'm not seeing on there a specific clause about transcoding and re-hosting other than this phrase: Aggregators should always conduct video playback in the video's original player, rather than the aggregator's player. i don't think that's specific enough.. that says original player, not original format. technically would that be considered the same thing? because quicktime just has one player flash could possibly have different players so i'm a little confused on that wording. -ry On 4/14/07, ryanne hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep. another one http://www.pyro.tv/ transcoding your stuff to flash (heck, it even looks ok) but then re-hosting. and i so sick and tired that i'll just let this one slide? um no. that ain't cool. SIGH -ryanne -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
