[videoblogging] Re:From Mac *TO* PC -- Should I Switch?
As someone who has analyzed the AppleCare policy, it isn't worth it. Most failures occur within the first year and Apple covers out to one year automatically. Secondly don't let Apple install options like bigger HD's and RAM, you can do all that yourself less expensively. And were you to do that anyhow you'd void your AppleCare contract. I currently have an laptop with XP Pro and am seriously considering a MacBook.
[videoblogging] Re:From Mac *TO* PC -- Should I Switch?
See this is the thing that kills me about Mac's everyone acts like nothing ever goes wrong with them, and yet I hear quite a bit different looking at fourms, etc. It just seems like Jobs and Mac's get a pass...not trying to start a flame debate, I'm just sayin ;) Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kathryn Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have to totally disagree with Tony about applecare, especially if > you have a laptop. I have had the logic board replaced, the screen > replaced, the casing replaced and two batteries replaced (pretty > evenly spread between my two years of ownership) and have paid 0 > dollars. I have a first generation macbook pro 17" - so its been a > little over buggy, but even so, applecare has been more than worth > it to me with every laptop I've owned. > > > > On Jun 9, 2008, at 4:23 PM, Tony Pelliccio wrote: > > > As someone who has analyzed the AppleCare policy, it isn't worth > > it. Most failures occur within the first year and Apple covers out > > to one year automatically. > > > > Secondly don't let Apple install options like bigger HD's and RAM, > > you can do all that yourself less expensively. And were you to do > > that anyhow you'd void your AppleCare contract. > > > > I currently have an laptop with XP Pro and am seriously considering > > a MacBook. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
[videoblogging] Re:From Mac *TO* PC -- Should I Switch?
Same here. I'm a overheating/no second memory slot victim, too. But I had Applecare and after some prodding and tears they did cover the repair (more like a replacement, really). I was *so* grateful for Applecare when my Powerbook fried out. I'd nevernevernever buy another laptop without it. I actually always buy extended warantees for expensive electronics/appliances that I don't plan on upgrading soon. Computers, cameras, dishwashers. Clock radio? Not so much. I think warrantees are always worth it. Peace of mind. Granted, Applecare ain't cheap, but neither is a new computer. Free repair vs $2000? No contest. Bek -- http://www.missbhavens.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, B Yen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have the Powerbook G4 1.5Ghz, & I got Good Guys extended warranty > (2 yr). Good thing I did, the HD died at the end of 2 yrs. > > This laptop had the infamous "missing memory slot" that affected tens > of thousands of users..there's a class-action lawsuit. Basically, > the "cool thin ness" violates the Law of Physics (Thermodynamics): > the heat kills the logicboard..which creates the "missing memory > slot" bug. Apple refuses to acknowledge this problem.
[videoblogging] Re:From Mac *TO* PC -- Should I Switch?
Most of the active people on this list use Mac, but I would question wheather that everyone on this list has agreed PC's are harder to use.I frequent the DVX fourms and a lot and I mean A LOT of people there use PC's to edit. I know I may not be in your league Rox ;) but I think me and my PC have made some pretty nice videos on occasion...(which is due more to my own limited skill set than my PC.. ;) Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Roxanne Darling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Macs are not much more expensive. Sorry to challenge that one! Just do a > google search and read some of the posts. (Again, we use both in our > office. People on this list have agreed that PC's are harder to use.) > iMovie and iPhoto and iTunes come free - and Rocketboom used those tools and > so did Beach Walks for well over a year before switching to FCP. You CAN > produce a professional, highly edited product using the FREE software. > (iMovie 6 is great editor - iMovie 8 not so much but that is another > thread). > > Mac monitors have a more humane "flicker rate" so you won;'t go insane > sitting in front of one all day. Already insane? Fine, get a Mac Mini for > only and use your old Dell monitor and keyboard and being able to run Mac > and PC on that sweet little box. > > Macs by default have better video cards. Most PC people I know end up > upgrading the default card. Makes sense - most office workers (PC's largest > target market) don't need good video cards, they are supposed to be writing > Word docs and crunching Excel worksheets all day, so why load up a PC with > one? But (snark alert) last I checked, this is a list for video creators. > Do you tools support you or frustrate you? > > Here is a side by side chart: > http://www.myspace-modifier.com/macintosh/the-mac-is-more-expensive- thats-crap/# > > Of course Macs are not perfect. No machine, no company, no person is. I've > used them for over 20 years and had great response from them. But then > when something goes wrong, I call calmly assuming it will be fixed not > ranting that it should never have broken in the first place. (Hint hint - > how to get good customer service) > > This message started off with a comparison from a very old Mac to a brand > new top of the line Mac. Yes, you are going to spend some bucks taking that > route. But that doesn't mean Macs are more expensive. It means you have > champagne taste, and I will be the first to raise a glass to that! I always > buy the best computer I can possibly afford at each new milestone, knowing > it will last me longer. I still have a 12" G4 laptop and it serves as a > great bookkeeping and surf-while-watching-TV machine. We just gave a 6-year > old eMac running Tiger to a friend for her 3-year old. The thing only cost > $899 when it was brand new, it still looks great and performs just fine if > you are not in a big hurry. > > I rarely choose to rant on this list. It's kinda fun to get out of my box > though. :-) > > Aloha and thanks for listening, > > Rox > > > > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 5:53 AM, Patrick Delongchamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Another thing to definitely consider. > > > > but getting back to the topic at hand, i'd summarize the conversation > > as the following: > > > > Mac - It's much more expensive but a better value and you'll be very happy > > PC - You'll be reasonably happy and have more money in your pocket but > > you'll have a higher learning curve. > > > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Jake Ludington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > >> I can agree that purchase one..maybe two warranties on products can be > > >> a wise choice. This is especially true if you are in a financial > > >> situation where you shouldn't be purchasing the product in the first > > >> place. > > > > > > Or if you're in a situation where wasting your time on downtime would be > > a > > > greater inconvenience than being out the money. For instance, with > > > AppleCare, the inconvenience on the iPhone might have been $60 had it not > > > paid off. Without it, the inconvenience would have been no phone until > > the > > > warranty repair turned it around in a couple of weeks (and/or buying > > another > > > phone). In that case, the potential of losing $60 was lower risk than the > > > risk of being out a phone for 2 weeks. The added bonus of having a new > > phone > > > in under 15 minutes made the $60 an easy decision. > > > > > >> It's just important to remember that either decision you make is a > > >> "bet" and the one that gives you the better odds is the decision of > > >> *not* buying extended warranties. Not the other way around. > > > > > > That entirely depends on what you're factoring for. Time is way more > > > important to me than the extra $100 or $200 for bigger ticket items. If I > > > spend $100 to insure against losing both the ite
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Roxanne Darling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...I'll repeat my first comment in part - I truly admire being able to look at > things objectively when group mind goes so strongly in one direction. I was > curious to see what I would learn in the thread. And for me I have ended up > where I started - an appreciative Mac user. :-) As the initiator of this thread, I first want to thank everyone who responded! It was very helpful to me. I am coming to the realization that I will probably stick to the Mac, but more as a reluctant rather than appreciative or enthusiastic user. I would get AppleCare for the MacBook Pro, no question that it is worth it just for hardware issues alone. But everything I have read has not won me back to thinking of Apple as a company that cares for its customers the way it did a few years ago before it hawked content and consumer media appliances. Apple's denial of problems it caused customers such as its QuickTime updates and the unwillingness of the "Genius Bar" (I have no idea what's behind the counter) to solve problems rather than replace components is really what caused me to rethink buying another Mac. But I want to take another crack at the warranty issue. How long should a computer last? And how long should a company be willing to support it? The AppleCare period is 3 years -- I don't know if that is in addition to the 1 year warranty. Then, I recently discovered, Apple will not even look at a computer that is over 5 years old. I brought one in for help in doing an Open Firmware Reset and when I found someone who has actually heard of it he refused to show me how to do it until we threw a public fit to embarrass the staff in front of customers and they had to call the manager who *made* them do it. This was on a perfectly usable G4 desktop, dual processor. I use it every day. I can understand out of warranty. But I do not understand older than 5 years. A $4,000 computer can be expected to be used that long. It's an attitude, I guess that has made me very reluctant. Thanks for posting and hearing me out on this rant. Stan Hirson http://hestakaup.com
[videoblogging] Re:From Mac *TO* PC -- Should I Switch?
I didn't take any disparage personaly, and I have been known to complain about PC's in the past for sure and I know I will again in the future, just as I am sure if I ever do switch to Mac, I will probably complain about that at some point as well.. ;) It is funny to me though that PC vs Mac is such a personal issue it seems. I will and have always admited that I have not spent any considerable time with a Mac, and if that day ever comes, whos knows maybe I will be a whole hearted confert...I mean PC's seem simple to me because that is what I have always used, I know how they work, I understand what to do to make things work.I think the only time I really get frustrated with my PC is when the software won't do what I want it to do, so is that a PC issue or a software issue Although I will admit, that I don't like Vista all that much as an OS, I have it on my laptop and there are things I don't like for sure, Ah...who knows live and let live I say! Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Roxanne Darling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My dear Heath, > I do not mean to disparage anyone, especially you. I am merely tired of the > "mac is more expensive than PC" mis-conception. It was true in the 80's, > maybe some of the 90's, but not here in the new century, especially when you > map components side by side. > > Most people who disparage Macs have never really used them. Most people who > disparage PC's, have used them. I would bet money on that. > > I'll repeat my first comment in part - I truly admire being able to look at > things objectively when group mind goes so strongly in one direction. I was > curious to see what I would learn in the thread. And for me I have ended up > where I started - an appreciative Mac user. :-) Thank you for speaking up! > > Love and hugs to you, Rox > > > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Most of the active people on this list use Mac, but I would question > > wheather that everyone on this list has agreed PC's are harder to > > use.I frequent the DVX fourms and a lot and I mean A LOT of > > people there use PC's to edit. > > > > I know I may not be in your league Rox ;) but I think me and my PC > > have made some pretty nice videos on occasion...(which is due more to > > my own limited skill set than my PC.. ;) > > > > Heath > > http://batmangeek.com > > http://heathparks.com > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , > > "Roxanne Darling" > > wrote: > > > > > > Macs are not much more expensive. Sorry to challenge that one! Just > > do a > > > google search and read some of the posts. (Again, we use both in > > our > > > office. People on this list have agreed that PC's are harder to > > use.) > > > iMovie and iPhoto and iTunes come free - and Rocketboom used those > > tools and > > > so did Beach Walks for well over a year before switching to FCP. > > You CAN > > > produce a professional, highly edited product using the FREE > > software. > > > (iMovie 6 is great editor - iMovie 8 not so much but that is another > > > thread). > > > > > > Mac monitors have a more humane "flicker rate" so you won;'t go > > insane > > > sitting in front of one all day. Already insane? Fine, get a Mac > > Mini for > > > only and use your old Dell monitor and keyboard and being able to > > run Mac > > > and PC on that sweet little box. > > > > > > Macs by default have better video cards. Most PC people I know end > > up > > > upgrading the default card. Makes sense - most office workers (PC's > > largest > > > target market) don't need good video cards, they are supposed to be > > writing > > > Word docs and crunching Excel worksheets all day, so why load up a > > PC with > > > one? But (snark alert) last I checked, this is a list for video > > creators. > > > Do you tools support you or frustrate you? > > > > > > Here is a side by side chart: > > > http://www.myspace-modifier.com/macintosh/the-mac-is-more- expensive- > > thats-crap/# > > > > > > Of course Macs are not perfect. No machine, no company, no person > > is. I've > > > used them for over 20 years and had great response from them. But > > then > > > when something goes wrong, I call calmly assuming it will be fixed > > not > > > ranting that it should never have broken in the first place. (Hint > > hint - > > > how to get good customer service) > > > > > > This message started off with a comparison from a very old Mac to a > > brand > > > new top of the line Mac. Yes, you are going to spend some bucks > > taking that > > > route. But that doesn't mean Macs are more expensive. It means you > > have > > > champagne taste, and I will be the first to raise a glass to that! > > I always > > > buy the best computer I can possibly afford at each new milestone, > > knowing > > > it will last me longer. I still have a 12" G4 laptop and it serves > > as a > > > great bookkeeping an
[videoblogging] Re:From Mac *TO* PC -- Should I Switch?
I think more than anything it's just the overall lack of customer service in general. Everybody is slow to admit to any issues anymore. It's sad, it really is I hope things work out Heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Stan Hirson, Sarah Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Roxanne Darling" > wrote: > > > ...I'll repeat my first comment in part - I truly admire being able > to look at > > things objectively when group mind goes so strongly in one > direction. I was > > curious to see what I would learn in the thread. And for me I have > ended up > > where I started - an appreciative Mac user. :-) > > As the initiator of this thread, I first want to thank everyone who > responded! It was very helpful to me. > > I am coming to the realization that I will probably stick to the Mac, > but more as a reluctant rather than appreciative or enthusiastic user. > I would get AppleCare for the MacBook Pro, no question that it is > worth it just for hardware issues alone. > > But everything I have read has not won me back to thinking of Apple as > a company that cares for its customers the way it did a few years ago > before it hawked content and consumer media appliances. > > Apple's denial of problems it caused customers such as its QuickTime > updates and the unwillingness of the "Genius Bar" (I have no idea > what's behind the counter) to solve problems rather than replace > components is really what caused me to rethink buying another Mac. > > But I want to take another crack at the warranty issue. How long > should a computer last? And how long should a company be willing to > support it? The AppleCare period is 3 years -- I don't know if that > is in addition to the 1 year warranty. Then, I recently discovered, > Apple will not even look at a computer that is over 5 years old. I > brought one in for help in doing an Open Firmware Reset and when I > found someone who has actually heard of it he refused to show me how > to do it until we threw a public fit to embarrass the staff in front > of customers and they had to call the manager who *made* them do it. > This was on a perfectly usable G4 desktop, dual processor. I use it > every day. > > I can understand out of warranty. But I do not understand older than > 5 years. A $4,000 computer can be expected to be used that long. > > It's an attitude, I guess that has made me very reluctant. > > Thanks for posting and hearing me out on this rant. > > Stan Hirson > http://hestakaup.com >
[videoblogging] Re:From Mac *TO* PC -- Should I Switch?
Well thats a problem with the whole computer industry. The pace of change makes it that way, and really the whole consumption economy is based on things not being built to last. The practical aspect of a 5 year limit is that after 5 years they probably dont have much of a source of components to replace faulty ones with. Im fairly sure all this will change in a major way within a decade or 2, human civilisation has no choice but to become a lot less wasteful. And to a certain extent the almost lost art of making efficiency gains & performance improvements through software updates alone, will return. Having said all that it is possible to get a computer that will last more than a decade, but its never a cert, and the manufacturer will have moved on in the meantime and have zero interest or incentive to have it back for repair. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Stan Hirson, Sarah Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can understand out of warranty. But I do not understand older than > 5 years. A $4,000 computer can be expected to be used that long. > > It's an attitude, I guess that has made me very reluctant. > > Thanks for posting and hearing me out on this rant. > > Stan Hirson > http://hestakaup.com >
[videoblogging] Re:From Mac *TO* PC -- Should I Switch?
OK well I just mapped components side by side for the 17" Macbook Pro Spec versus a HP PC Laptop. I configured the HP spec so that it was as identical to the standard Macbook Pro 17" as I could get. Got an almost perfect match, only difference being very slightly different graphics card on the HP, the 512MB Nvidia 8600M GS as opposed to the 8600M GT in the Macbook. The HP is $1609 and the Macbook is $2799! Even if you whack on a few hundred dollars for theroetical exact graphics card match, and a few hunred dollars more for software, the price is still not close. I would not be surprised if this is the most extreme example possible, the 17" Macook Pro must surely be the worst value in terms of what hardware spec you actually get for your dollar. I would completely agree with you that Macs in general have become much better value this decade. Some of their models represent fairly good value for money now, but some clearly do not, and so it is not safe to label these issues a myth. Im also fairly sure that the stuff you mentioned about Mac screen refresh rates being superior, is not accurate. Its true that bargain basement PCs are not high spec and can be compared to few Macs properly, but in the medium and high end there are plenty of PCs that outperform Macs on price, and thatnks to the switch to Intel processors, geeks like me can make true spec comparisons. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Roxanne Darling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My dear Heath, > I do not mean to disparage anyone, especially you. I am merely tired of the > "mac is more expensive than PC" mis-conception. It was true in the 80's, > maybe some of the 90's, but not here in the new century, especially when you > map components side by side. > > Most people who disparage Macs have never really used them. Most people who > disparage PC's, have used them. I would bet money on that. > > I'll repeat my first comment in part - I truly admire being able to look at > things objectively when group mind goes so strongly in one direction. I was > curious to see what I would learn in the thread. And for me I have ended up > where I started - an appreciative Mac user. :-) Thank you for speaking up! > > Love and hugs to you, Rox > > > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Most of the active people on this list use Mac, but I would question > > wheather that everyone on this list has agreed PC's are harder to > > use.I frequent the DVX fourms and a lot and I mean A LOT of > > people there use PC's to edit. > > > > I know I may not be in your league Rox ;) but I think me and my PC > > have made some pretty nice videos on occasion...(which is due more to > > my own limited skill set than my PC.. ;) > > > > Heath > > http://batmangeek.com > > http://heathparks.com > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , > > "Roxanne Darling" > > wrote: > > > > > > Macs are not much more expensive. Sorry to challenge that one! Just > > do a > > > google search and read some of the posts. (Again, we use both in > > our > > > office. People on this list have agreed that PC's are harder to > > use.) > > > iMovie and iPhoto and iTunes come free - and Rocketboom used those > > tools and > > > so did Beach Walks for well over a year before switching to FCP. > > You CAN > > > produce a professional, highly edited product using the FREE > > software. > > > (iMovie 6 is great editor - iMovie 8 not so much but that is another > > > thread). > > > > > > Mac monitors have a more humane "flicker rate" so you won;'t go > > insane > > > sitting in front of one all day. Already insane? Fine, get a Mac > > Mini for > > > only and use your old Dell monitor and keyboard and being able to > > run Mac > > > and PC on that sweet little box. > > > > > > Macs by default have better video cards. Most PC people I know end > > up > > > upgrading the default card. Makes sense - most office workers (PC's > > largest > > > target market) don't need good video cards, they are supposed to be > > writing > > > Word docs and crunching Excel worksheets all day, so why load up a > > PC with > > > one? But (snark alert) last I checked, this is a list for video > > creators. > > > Do you tools support you or frustrate you? > > > > > > Here is a side by side chart: > > > http://www.myspace-modifier.com/macintosh/the-mac-is-more-expensive- > > thats-crap/# > > > > > > Of course Macs are not perfect. No machine, no company, no person > > is. I've > > > used them for over 20 years and had great response from them. But > > then > > > when something goes wrong, I call calmly assuming it will be fixed > > not > > > ranting that it should never have broken in the first place. (Hint > > hint - > > > how to get good customer service) > > > > > > This message started off with a comparison from a very old Mac to a > > brand > > > new top of the line Mac. Yes, you are going to spend some bucks > > taking that > > > route. B
[videoblogging] Re:From Mac *TO* PC -- Should I Switch?
About your last point, i'm not sure if i'm reading it correctly, but you can use a program called PowerMenu which gives you an option to to give an window an attribute of being "always on top" http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/OS-Enhancements/PowerMenu.shtml --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Kath O'Donnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd always had a pc (work) laptop until I bought a macbook pro for > home. I couldn't afford a mac and the pc did most things I wanted it > to. but usually I had to fix it before I could use it - even for > simple installations - there was usually something missing and I had > to install extra bits or the s/w I wanted to try was only on mac. > since buying the mac I haven't had to do this, so I've found I prefer > using it and am more productive on it than before when I had a pc. I > can just sit down and start making things so I find it's better for my > creativity levels. I like the software that comes with it - iphoto etc > and how it's easier for me wrt to music/video/development tools. I'm > an engineer and work on computers all day at work - years ago I used > to like fixing computers & kept up with hardware specs etc but now I'd > much rather just use one. I still have a windows laptop for work and > work on linux/posix systems too so go through the pain at work. but > for home I wouldn't go back to pc now except for maybe a cheaper > storage server desktop/archive system solution as it'd only be used > for file storage perhaps remote access to files, though with cheap > ISP online disk storage options available these days even this is a > stretch. the one I bought originally had a screen problem - I think I > must have bought one of the first batches - and the apple store > support from where I bought it was terrible. eventually I went to > apple australia during a trip home and they arranged a replacement and > since then everything's worked well. they said it's easier to purchase > online rather than the stores as the stores don't have the same > infrastructure they used to for getting things fixed. if I'd known > that at the time I would have bought it online originally like my > first apple product - the ipod. the mac was more expensive but for me > I don't care about that because it's saved more time in me having to > get things to work first go & actually getting something creative > done, so was worth the money. over time the difference isn't much. the > only problem I have now is I fill the disk all the time but that's a > user issue not machine. I wish they'd let me use the mac at work > instead of the pc. the best thing I like about OSX (& linux) is that > when you open a few things at once and are working in one screen the > other screens open in background and u can select them when u are > ready. whereas windows pushes everything to the front when it's ready > - it doesn't care if you're in the middle of typing something in an > already selected window. this annoys me no end on a pc at work!! > > > > > > > -- > http://www.aliak.com >
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I have to totally disagree with Tony about applecare, especially if you have a laptop. I have had the logic board replaced, the screen replaced, the casing replaced and two batteries replaced (pretty evenly spread between my two years of ownership) and have paid 0 dollars. I have a first generation macbook pro 17" - so its been a little over buggy, but even so, applecare has been more than worth it to me with every laptop I've owned. On Jun 9, 2008, at 4:23 PM, Tony Pelliccio wrote: > As someone who has analyzed the AppleCare policy, it isn't worth > it. Most failures occur within the first year and Apple covers out > to one year automatically. > > Secondly don't let Apple install options like bigger HD's and RAM, > you can do all that yourself less expensively. And were you to do > that anyhow you'd void your AppleCare contract. > > I currently have an laptop with XP Pro and am seriously considering > a MacBook. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Mac Mac-nerds have told me they follow this policy: Laptop work or home - Get AppleCare Desktop Mac at work - Get AppleCare Desktop Mac at home - Skip AppleCare if you want... But I did get AppleCare with the last iMac I got at home, mainly cuz I feel Apple's quality has sunk in the last few years, and my previous Mac had the log board die. (Granted, it was about 6 years old.) Pete Kathryn Jones wrote: > I have to totally disagree with Tony about applecare, especially if > you have a laptop. I have had the logic board replaced, the screen > replaced, the casing replaced and two batteries replaced (pretty > evenly spread between my two years of ownership) and have paid 0 > dollars. I have a first generation macbook pro 17" - so its been a > little over buggy, but even so, applecare has been more than worth > it to me with every laptop I've owned. > > > > On Jun 9, 2008, at 4:23 PM, Tony Pelliccio wrote: > >> As someone who has analyzed the AppleCare policy, it isn't worth >> it. Most failures occur within the first year and Apple covers out >> to one year automatically. >> >> Secondly don't let Apple install options like bigger HD's and RAM, >> you can do all that yourself less expensively. And were you to do >> that anyhow you'd void your AppleCare contract. >> >> I currently have an laptop with XP Pro and am seriously considering >> a MacBook. >> >> >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
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On Jun 9, 2008, at 2:51 PM, Pete Prodoehl wrote: > > Mac Mac-nerds have told me they follow this policy: > > Laptop work or home - Get AppleCare I have the Powerbook G4 1.5Ghz, & I got Good Guys extended warranty (2 yr). Good thing I did, the HD died at the end of 2 yrs. This laptop had the infamous "missing memory slot" that affected tens of thousands of users..there's a class-action lawsuit. Basically, the "cool thin ness" violates the Law of Physics (Thermodynamics): the heat kills the logicboard..which creates the "missing memory slot" bug. Apple refuses to acknowledge this problem. I ended up send it to a 3rd party to fix it (some place in S. Carolina). The corrupt GE care (which took over when Good Guys disappeared) wouldn't pick up the tab!!?? The thin Powerbooks look cool, but have major cooling issues. (it gets INCREDIBLY hot on your lab, it's a widely known issue). It's what leads to the failure rates. Heat is the Enemy. I goto the desert offroad races (hot!), & this Powerbook has died TWICE because of heat: hard drive goes kaput. My PC laptop works fine, because it's FAT & has a F***G fan!! Law of Thermodynamics..must dissipate the heat! > Desktop Mac at work - Get AppleCare > Desktop Mac at home - Skip AppleCare if you want... I have a quad G5 that's sitting 4 ft away (I'm using a G4/667 desktop that's circa 2001..7yrs old!!). On a hot day in 2006, it went kaput..heat issues. It took 3 visits to Applecare to fix it (fancy watercooled system). I was 4 days late in buying Applecare, so I don't have coverage. Frankly, I'm scared the quad G5 will blowup & I will have an expensive paper weight. I use it ocassionally (to render videos), but it's definitely not my main machine. A bunch of other people have had problems with the quad G5, & it's a known fact to stay away from this machine. > > But I did get AppleCare with the last iMac I got at home, mainly cuz I > feel Apple's quality has sunk in the last few years, and my > previous Mac > had the log board die. (Granted, it was about 6 years old.) I agree. I have had issues with Apple hardware going back to '95. There was this Applevision 1710AV monitor, which was a total POS. It was widely known to be a defective product. When I called in, the Apple guy refused to acknowledge the problem (lie) & wouldn't do anything about it. I have never bought an Apple monitor since. Apple has always had an elitist attitute (with price to match) The Apple AV cable for the iPod, a pricey $20..the connector cracked & broke. (Apple found a cheap supplier, & uses its "brand name" to jack up the price). I got a 3rd party one for $20 (at the local supermarket), works fine. Apple has a lot of hype/marketing behind it. I asked an Apple sales guy about the iPod, why it's so successful. His response was "Marketing". "People don't buy Good Products, they buy GOOD MARKETING" -- business saying Apple vs PC, it's a matter of "lesser of 2 evils". I have a Hewlett Packard PC laptop running Windows XP, NEVER had a problem with it. However, it's incredibly "clunky" vs Mac OS in terms of intuitive useability. Existing PC users use it because they are "used to it". > > > Pete > > > Kathryn Jones wrote: >> I have to totally disagree with Tony about applecare, especially if >> you have a laptop. I have had the logic board replaced, the screen >> replaced, the casing replaced and two batteries replaced (pretty >> evenly spread between my two years of ownership) and have paid 0 >> dollars. I have a first generation macbook pro 17" - so its been a >> little over buggy, but even so, applecare has been more than worth >> it to me with every laptop I've owned. >> >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2008, at 4:23 PM, Tony Pelliccio wrote: >> >>> As someone who has analyzed the AppleCare policy, it isn't worth >>> it. Most failures occur within the first year and Apple covers out >>> to one year automatically. >>> >>> Secondly don't let Apple install options like bigger HD's and RAM, >>> you can do all that yourself less expensively. And were you to do >>> that anyhow you'd void your AppleCare contract. >>> >>> I currently have an laptop with XP Pro and am seriously considering >>> a MacBook. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
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I've heard a lot of talk of Extended Warranties in this thread so I just want to throw in that people should never buy extended warranties. Manufacturing defects will appear within the manufacturer warranty period. The only reason anyone offers an extended warranty is because it's a guaranteed money grab. People buy extended warranties because they believe that the odds are in their favour that they'll save money in the long run. This is categorically incorrect. The complete opposite is true. and if the product you're buying actually *needs* an extended warranty that isn't already provided by the manufacturer? Definitely do not purchase this product. This is of course my own opinion but I thought it was important to throw in seeing that you'll almost never hear anyone say "thank GOD i didn't buy the extended warranty" because obviously it doesn't work that way. That being said, I can't imagine that Macs actually need extended warranties...do they? On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:50 PM, missbhavens1969 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Same here. I'm a overheating/no second memory slot victim, too. But I > had Applecare and after some prodding and tears they did cover the > repair (more like a replacement, really). I was *so* grateful for > Applecare when my Powerbook fried out. I'd nevernevernever buy another > laptop without it. > > I actually always buy extended warantees for expensive > electronics/appliances that I don't plan on upgrading soon. Computers, > cameras, dishwashers. Clock radio? Not so much. > > I think warrantees are always worth it. Peace of mind. Granted, > Applecare ain't cheap, but neither is a new computer. Free repair vs > $2000? No contest. > > Bek > -- > http://www.missbhavens.com > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, B Yen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I have the Powerbook G4 1.5Ghz, & I got Good Guys extended warranty >> (2 yr). Good thing I did, the HD died at the end of 2 yrs. >> >> This laptop had the infamous "missing memory slot" that affected tens >> of thousands of users..there's a class-action lawsuit. Basically, >> the "cool thin ness" violates the Law of Physics (Thermodynamics): >> the heat kills the logicboard..which creates the "missing memory >> slot" bug. Apple refuses to acknowledge this problem. > >
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> I've heard a lot of talk of Extended Warranties in this thread so I > just want to throw in that people should never buy extended > warranties. Manufacturing defects will appear within the manufacturer > warranty period. The only reason anyone offers an extended warranty > is because it's a guaranteed money grab. People buy extended > warranties because they believe that the odds are in their favour that > they'll save money in the long run. This is categorically incorrect. > The complete opposite is true. I was of this same opinion and am for most products. Having said that, I bought one on a laptop once and it paid off. The laptop died due to a heat issue. I got it replaced without hassle. Because the entire laptop cycle had revved, I got a newer laptop with current features. The second laptop died too and that was replaced by the warranty as well, again with a newer laptop with better features. The lesson learned was I'll never buy Toshiba again, but if I hadn't had the extended warranty, they would have repaired my existing laptop, not replaced it. I also purchased the AppleCare on an iPhone and had it pay off by having the iPhone swapped out no questions asked. I still don't buy extended warranties for most things because in many cases they are overpriced, but in the two cases I've cited here, I'm definitely ahead of the game for buying them. An extended warranty is an insurance plan. They are betting most won't pay off to come out ahead. If you buy it, you're betting it will pay. Jake Ludington http://www.jakeludington.com
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I can agree that purchase one..maybe two warranties on products can be a wise choice. This is especially true if you are in a financial situation where you shouldn't be purchasing the product in the first place. It's just important to remember that either decision you make is a "bet" and the one that gives you the better odds is the decision of *not* buying extended warranties. Not the other way around. On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Jake Ludington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I've heard a lot of talk of Extended Warranties in this thread so I >> just want to throw in that people should never buy extended >> warranties. Manufacturing defects will appear within the manufacturer >> warranty period. The only reason anyone offers an extended warranty >> is because it's a guaranteed money grab. People buy extended >> warranties because they believe that the odds are in their favour that >> they'll save money in the long run. This is categorically incorrect. >> The complete opposite is true. > > I was of this same opinion and am for most products. Having said that, I > bought one on a laptop once and it paid off. The laptop died due to a heat > issue. I got it replaced without hassle. Because the entire laptop cycle had > revved, I got a newer laptop with current features. The second laptop died > too and that was replaced by the warranty as well, again with a newer laptop > with better features. The lesson learned was I'll never buy Toshiba again, > but if I hadn't had the extended warranty, they would have repaired my > existing laptop, not replaced it. > > I also purchased the AppleCare on an iPhone and had it pay off by having the > iPhone swapped out no questions asked. > > I still don't buy extended warranties for most things because in many cases > they are overpriced, but in the two cases I've cited here, I'm definitely > ahead of the game for buying them. An extended warranty is an insurance > plan. They are betting most won't pay off to come out ahead. If you buy it, > you're betting it will pay. > > Jake Ludington > > http://www.jakeludington.com > >
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On Jun 10, 2008, at 1:50 PM, missbhavens1969 wrote: > Same here. I'm a overheating/no second memory slot victim, too. But I > had Applecare and after some prodding and tears they did cover the > repair (more like a replacement, really). I was *so* grateful for > Applecare when my Powerbook fried out. I'd nevernevernever buy another > laptop without it. I read the lengthy posts on Apple forums, about this issue. After the "missing memory slot" issue, the repaired Powerbooks..had the problem resurface!! It's the heat issue that DAMAGES the logic board! There's an outfit in S. Carolina that understands the problem, & will fix it RIGHT. Applecare wouldn't have covered it, the Good Guys extended care did. I am real leery of all this Apple "cool" stuff (that ends up breakting the "Laws of Physics"), that's also overhyped marketing wise. > > I actually always buy extended warantees for expensive > electronics/appliances that I don't plan on upgrading soon. Computers, > cameras, dishwashers. Clock radio? Not so much. > > I think warrantees are always worth it. Peace of mind. Granted, > Applecare ain't cheap, but neither is a new computer. Free repair vs > $2000? No contest. > > Bek > -- > http://www.missbhavens.com > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, B Yen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I have the Powerbook G4 1.5Ghz, & I got Good Guys extended warranty >> (2 yr). Good thing I did, the HD died at the end of 2 yrs. >> >> This laptop had the infamous "missing memory slot" that affected tens >> of thousands of users..there's a class-action lawsuit. Basically, >> the "cool thin ness" violates the Law of Physics (Thermodynamics): >> the heat kills the logicboard..which creates the "missing memory >> slot" bug. Apple refuses to acknowledge this problem. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
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> Going back to the original topic - for price and efficiency it's hard to beat those refurbished HP dual-core slimlines they flog down at J and R, as cheap as $430 inc tax. http://www.jr.com/search/slimline/ + another $230 odd on an LCD Strip down the vista and add on Vegas 8 & QT (cough, pirate bay, cough) and you are cooking..* I've got two of the cheapest ones and am amazed how fast they do m4v renders. They also run silent. joly * I did cough up $40 for the Ultra Flash Video FLV converter which I thoroughly recommend http://www.aone-soft.com/flash_video_flv_converter.htm --- WWWhatsup NYC http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com ---
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> I can agree that purchase one..maybe two warranties on products can be > a wise choice. This is especially true if you are in a financial > situation where you shouldn't be purchasing the product in the first > place. Or if you're in a situation where wasting your time on downtime would be a greater inconvenience than being out the money. For instance, with AppleCare, the inconvenience on the iPhone might have been $60 had it not paid off. Without it, the inconvenience would have been no phone until the warranty repair turned it around in a couple of weeks (and/or buying another phone). In that case, the potential of losing $60 was lower risk than the risk of being out a phone for 2 weeks. The added bonus of having a new phone in under 15 minutes made the $60 an easy decision. > It's just important to remember that either decision you make is a > "bet" and the one that gives you the better odds is the decision of > *not* buying extended warranties. Not the other way around. That entirely depends on what you're factoring for. Time is way more important to me than the extra $100 or $200 for bigger ticket items. If I spend $100 to insure against losing both the item and my time, the $100 is a no brainer. Does that mean you should buy an extended warranty for everything? Certainly not. Jake Ludington http://www.jakeludington.com
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Another thing to definitely consider. but getting back to the topic at hand, i'd summarize the conversation as the following: Mac - It's much more expensive but a better value and you'll be very happy PC - You'll be reasonably happy and have more money in your pocket but you'll have a higher learning curve. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Jake Ludington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I can agree that purchase one..maybe two warranties on products can be >> a wise choice. This is especially true if you are in a financial >> situation where you shouldn't be purchasing the product in the first >> place. > > Or if you're in a situation where wasting your time on downtime would be a > greater inconvenience than being out the money. For instance, with > AppleCare, the inconvenience on the iPhone might have been $60 had it not > paid off. Without it, the inconvenience would have been no phone until the > warranty repair turned it around in a couple of weeks (and/or buying another > phone). In that case, the potential of losing $60 was lower risk than the > risk of being out a phone for 2 weeks. The added bonus of having a new phone > in under 15 minutes made the $60 an easy decision. > >> It's just important to remember that either decision you make is a >> "bet" and the one that gives you the better odds is the decision of >> *not* buying extended warranties. Not the other way around. > > That entirely depends on what you're factoring for. Time is way more > important to me than the extra $100 or $200 for bigger ticket items. If I > spend $100 to insure against losing both the item and my time, the $100 is a > no brainer. > > Does that mean you should buy an extended warranty for everything? Certainly > not. > > Jake Ludington > > http://www.jakeludington.com > >
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Macs are not much more expensive. Sorry to challenge that one! Just do a google search and read some of the posts. (Again, we use both in our office. People on this list have agreed that PC's are harder to use.) iMovie and iPhoto and iTunes come free - and Rocketboom used those tools and so did Beach Walks for well over a year before switching to FCP. You CAN produce a professional, highly edited product using the FREE software. (iMovie 6 is great editor - iMovie 8 not so much but that is another thread). Mac monitors have a more humane "flicker rate" so you won;'t go insane sitting in front of one all day. Already insane? Fine, get a Mac Mini for only and use your old Dell monitor and keyboard and being able to run Mac and PC on that sweet little box. Macs by default have better video cards. Most PC people I know end up upgrading the default card. Makes sense - most office workers (PC's largest target market) don't need good video cards, they are supposed to be writing Word docs and crunching Excel worksheets all day, so why load up a PC with one? But (snark alert) last I checked, this is a list for video creators. Do you tools support you or frustrate you? Here is a side by side chart: http://www.myspace-modifier.com/macintosh/the-mac-is-more-expensive-thats-crap/# Of course Macs are not perfect. No machine, no company, no person is. I've used them for over 20 years and had great response from them. But then when something goes wrong, I call calmly assuming it will be fixed not ranting that it should never have broken in the first place. (Hint hint - how to get good customer service) This message started off with a comparison from a very old Mac to a brand new top of the line Mac. Yes, you are going to spend some bucks taking that route. But that doesn't mean Macs are more expensive. It means you have champagne taste, and I will be the first to raise a glass to that! I always buy the best computer I can possibly afford at each new milestone, knowing it will last me longer. I still have a 12" G4 laptop and it serves as a great bookkeeping and surf-while-watching-TV machine. We just gave a 6-year old eMac running Tiger to a friend for her 3-year old. The thing only cost $899 when it was brand new, it still looks great and performs just fine if you are not in a big hurry. I rarely choose to rant on this list. It's kinda fun to get out of my box though. :-) Aloha and thanks for listening, Rox On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 5:53 AM, Patrick Delongchamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another thing to definitely consider. > > but getting back to the topic at hand, i'd summarize the conversation > as the following: > > Mac - It's much more expensive but a better value and you'll be very happy > PC - You'll be reasonably happy and have more money in your pocket but > you'll have a higher learning curve. > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Jake Ludington <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> I can agree that purchase one..maybe two warranties on products can be > >> a wise choice. This is especially true if you are in a financial > >> situation where you shouldn't be purchasing the product in the first > >> place. > > > > Or if you're in a situation where wasting your time on downtime would be > a > > greater inconvenience than being out the money. For instance, with > > AppleCare, the inconvenience on the iPhone might have been $60 had it not > > paid off. Without it, the inconvenience would have been no phone until > the > > warranty repair turned it around in a couple of weeks (and/or buying > another > > phone). In that case, the potential of losing $60 was lower risk than the > > risk of being out a phone for 2 weeks. The added bonus of having a new > phone > > in under 15 minutes made the $60 an easy decision. > > > >> It's just important to remember that either decision you make is a > >> "bet" and the one that gives you the better odds is the decision of > >> *not* buying extended warranties. Not the other way around. > > > > That entirely depends on what you're factoring for. Time is way more > > important to me than the extra $100 or $200 for bigger ticket items. If I > > spend $100 to insure against losing both the item and my time, the $100 > is a > > no brainer. > > > > Does that mean you should buy an extended warranty for everything? > Certainly > > not. > > > > Jake Ludington > > > > http://www.jakeludington.com > > > > > > -- Roxanne Darling "o ke kai" means "of the sea" in hawaiian Join us at the reef! Mermaid videos, geeks talking, and lots more http://reef.beachwalks.tv 808-384-5554 Video --> http://www.beachwalks.tv Company -- > http://www.barefeetstudios.com Twitter--> http://www.twitter.com/roxannedarling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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true, but we're talking about notebook computers. I think we would both agree that Mac notebooks are generally much more expensive (though a better value) than notebook PCs available in Best Buy for example. Macbooks start at 1099 USD, whereas Bestbuy Notebook PCs start at half the price. I think it was a pretty reasonable statement. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Roxanne Darling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Macs are not much more expensive. Sorry to challenge that one! Just do a > google search and read some of the posts. (Again, we use both in our > office. People on this list have agreed that PC's are harder to use.) > iMovie and iPhoto and iTunes come free - and Rocketboom used those tools and > so did Beach Walks for well over a year before switching to FCP. You CAN > produce a professional, highly edited product using the FREE software. > (iMovie 6 is great editor - iMovie 8 not so much but that is another > thread). > > Mac monitors have a more humane "flicker rate" so you won;'t go insane > sitting in front of one all day. Already insane? Fine, get a Mac Mini for > only and use your old Dell monitor and keyboard and being able to run Mac > and PC on that sweet little box. > > Macs by default have better video cards. Most PC people I know end up > upgrading the default card. Makes sense - most office workers (PC's largest > target market) don't need good video cards, they are supposed to be writing > Word docs and crunching Excel worksheets all day, so why load up a PC with > one? But (snark alert) last I checked, this is a list for video creators. > Do you tools support you or frustrate you? > > Here is a side by side chart: > http://www.myspace-modifier.com/macintosh/the-mac-is-more-expensive-thats-crap/# > > Of course Macs are not perfect. No machine, no company, no person is. I've > used them for over 20 years and had great response from them. But then > when something goes wrong, I call calmly assuming it will be fixed not > ranting that it should never have broken in the first place. (Hint hint - > how to get good customer service) > > This message started off with a comparison from a very old Mac to a brand > new top of the line Mac. Yes, you are going to spend some bucks taking that > route. But that doesn't mean Macs are more expensive. It means you have > champagne taste, and I will be the first to raise a glass to that! I always > buy the best computer I can possibly afford at each new milestone, knowing > it will last me longer. I still have a 12" G4 laptop and it serves as a > great bookkeeping and surf-while-watching-TV machine. We just gave a 6-year > old eMac running Tiger to a friend for her 3-year old. The thing only cost > $899 when it was brand new, it still looks great and performs just fine if > you are not in a big hurry. > > I rarely choose to rant on this list. It's kinda fun to get out of my box > though. :-) > > Aloha and thanks for listening, > > Rox > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 5:53 AM, Patrick Delongchamp > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Another thing to definitely consider. >> >> but getting back to the topic at hand, i'd summarize the conversation >> as the following: >> >> Mac - It's much more expensive but a better value and you'll be very happy >> PC - You'll be reasonably happy and have more money in your pocket but >> you'll have a higher learning curve. >> >> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Jake Ludington >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> I can agree that purchase one..maybe two warranties on products can be >> >> a wise choice. This is especially true if you are in a financial >> >> situation where you shouldn't be purchasing the product in the first >> >> place. >> > >> > Or if you're in a situation where wasting your time on downtime would be >> a >> > greater inconvenience than being out the money. For instance, with >> > AppleCare, the inconvenience on the iPhone might have been $60 had it >> > not >> > paid off. Without it, the inconvenience would have been no phone until >> the >> > warranty repair turned it around in a couple of weeks (and/or buying >> another >> > phone). In that case, the potential of losing $60 was lower risk than >> > the >> > risk of being out a phone for 2 weeks. The added bonus of having a new >> phone >> > in under 15 minutes made the $60 an easy decision. >> > >> >> It's just important to remember that either decision you make is a >> >> "bet" and the one that gives you the better odds is the decision of >> >> *not* buying extended warranties. Not the other way around. >> > >> > That entirely depends on what you're factoring for. Time is way more >> > important to me than the extra $100 or $200 for bigger ticket items. If >> > I >> > spend $100 to insure against losing both the item and my time, the $100 >> is a >> > no brainer. >> > >> > Does that mean you should buy an extended warranty for everything? >> Certainly >> > not. >> > >> > Jake Ludington >> > >> > http://www.jakeludington.com >> > >> > >> >> > > -- >
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My dear Heath, I do not mean to disparage anyone, especially you. I am merely tired of the "mac is more expensive than PC" mis-conception. It was true in the 80's, maybe some of the 90's, but not here in the new century, especially when you map components side by side. Most people who disparage Macs have never really used them. Most people who disparage PC's, have used them. I would bet money on that. I'll repeat my first comment in part - I truly admire being able to look at things objectively when group mind goes so strongly in one direction. I was curious to see what I would learn in the thread. And for me I have ended up where I started - an appreciative Mac user. :-) Thank you for speaking up! Love and hugs to you, Rox On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Most of the active people on this list use Mac, but I would question > wheather that everyone on this list has agreed PC's are harder to > use.I frequent the DVX fourms and a lot and I mean A LOT of > people there use PC's to edit. > > I know I may not be in your league Rox ;) but I think me and my PC > have made some pretty nice videos on occasion...(which is due more to > my own limited skill set than my PC.. ;) > > Heath > http://batmangeek.com > http://heathparks.com > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , > "Roxanne Darling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Macs are not much more expensive. Sorry to challenge that one! Just > do a > > google search and read some of the posts. (Again, we use both in > our > > office. People on this list have agreed that PC's are harder to > use.) > > iMovie and iPhoto and iTunes come free - and Rocketboom used those > tools and > > so did Beach Walks for well over a year before switching to FCP. > You CAN > > produce a professional, highly edited product using the FREE > software. > > (iMovie 6 is great editor - iMovie 8 not so much but that is another > > thread). > > > > Mac monitors have a more humane "flicker rate" so you won;'t go > insane > > sitting in front of one all day. Already insane? Fine, get a Mac > Mini for > > only and use your old Dell monitor and keyboard and being able to > run Mac > > and PC on that sweet little box. > > > > Macs by default have better video cards. Most PC people I know end > up > > upgrading the default card. Makes sense - most office workers (PC's > largest > > target market) don't need good video cards, they are supposed to be > writing > > Word docs and crunching Excel worksheets all day, so why load up a > PC with > > one? But (snark alert) last I checked, this is a list for video > creators. > > Do you tools support you or frustrate you? > > > > Here is a side by side chart: > > http://www.myspace-modifier.com/macintosh/the-mac-is-more-expensive- > thats-crap/# > > > > Of course Macs are not perfect. No machine, no company, no person > is. I've > > used them for over 20 years and had great response from them. But > then > > when something goes wrong, I call calmly assuming it will be fixed > not > > ranting that it should never have broken in the first place. (Hint > hint - > > how to get good customer service) > > > > This message started off with a comparison from a very old Mac to a > brand > > new top of the line Mac. Yes, you are going to spend some bucks > taking that > > route. But that doesn't mean Macs are more expensive. It means you > have > > champagne taste, and I will be the first to raise a glass to that! > I always > > buy the best computer I can possibly afford at each new milestone, > knowing > > it will last me longer. I still have a 12" G4 laptop and it serves > as a > > great bookkeeping and surf-while-watching-TV machine. We just gave > a 6-year > > old eMac running Tiger to a friend for her 3-year old. The thing > only cost > > $899 when it was brand new, it still looks great and performs just > fine if > > you are not in a big hurry. > > > > I rarely choose to rant on this list. It's kinda fun to get out of > my box > > though. :-) > > > > Aloha and thanks for listening, > > > > Rox > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 5:53 AM, Patrick Delongchamp > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > Another thing to definitely consider. > > > > > > but getting back to the topic at hand, i'd summarize the > conversation > > > as the following: > > > > > > Mac - It's much more expensive but a better value and you'll be > very happy > > > PC - You'll be reasonably happy and have more money in your > pocket but > > > you'll have a higher learning curve. > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Jake Ludington <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 40jakeludington.com>> > > > wrote: > > > >> I can agree that purchase one..maybe two warranties on > products can be > > > >> a wise choice. This is especially true if you are in a > financial > > > >> situation where you shouldn't be purchasing the product in the > first > > > >> place. > > > > > > > > Or if you're in a situation where wasting your time on downtime
Re: [videoblogging] Re:From Mac *TO* PC -- Should I Switch?
- Original Message - From: "Steve Watkins" (snip) > Having said all that it is possible to get a computer that will last > more than a decade, but its never a cert, and the manufacturer will > have moved on in the meantime and have zero interest or incentive to > have it back for repair. (snip) My first computer in fact *did* last 10 years ... an Apple II ;-) I then upgraded to an Amiga 500, and then finally to different versions of "PC's" Richard Amirault Boston, MA, USA http://n1jdu.org http://bostonfandom.org http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7hf9u2ZdlQ
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When you buy a mac you are not primariiy paying for hardware. You are primarily buying a specific type of functionality and a specific manifestation of a computing experience, wrapped in a piece of industrial design. On a secondary level (primary for some), you are buying compatibility with a set of applications from apple and other manufacturers that work together in a particular way on macs (and in some cases are not available for windows). Hardware is just the base. Which is why if you only care about hardware power (and especially if you care about it in a bang for the buck way), and assuming you like Windows ok, you should not get a mac. I'm not one of those people. Hardware and power matter to me, but not nearly as much as the rest. If the HP ran OSX, had totally smooth and mostly intuitive integration with the applications I need, required bare minimum techy involvement from me, was beautifully designed to the extent that it doesn't look too much like "gear" and was aesthetically pleasing, I would fully expect to pay much more for it, as I did for my Macbook Pro. For whatever reason, I need to forget that I am using a computer when I use a computer or else I just want to throw it out the window. Apple is STILL not there in that regard, but they get closer and closer. The MBP is the first computer I have owned in 20 years of computing that doesn't induce a little cringe when I fire it up (that includes previous macs, though none were as bad as the previous windows systems I had). It actually kinda makes me happy, which is kind of disturbing if I think about it. But yes, the customer service at Apple is not what it used to be. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Late entrant On 13/06/2008, at 12:12 PM, Brook Hinton wrote: > When you buy a mac you are not primariiy paying for hardware. You are > primarily buying a specific type of functionality and a specific > manifestation of a computing experience, wrapped in a piece of > industrial > design. On a secondary level (primary for some), you are > buying compatibility with a set of applications from apple and other > manufacturers that work together in a particular way on macs (and in > some > cases are not available for windows). Hardware is just the base. > Which is > why if you only care about hardware power (and especially if you > care about > it in a bang for the buck way), and assuming you like Windows ok, > you should > not get a mac. friends sometimes ask me about buying computers, and they refuse to consider a mac because they think it is more expensive. As has been discussed here the difference is minor, if it exists at all. But what always intrigues me is that these friends regularly drive old european cars (they can't afford new ones). I point this out and they have all these answers which, at the end of the day, boil down to recognising the value of exemplary design. I then point out that that is what the mac is doing, and just like that clapped out Renault out there, it just does what it does in a way that is not just about getting from A to B. I think Brook nails this pretty well here, some of us want our computers to be hammers - we like our PCs - some of us like our computers to be Giustaforza torque wrenchs (sorry, struggled to find a tool analogy) - we like our macs. and we shouldn't forget Umberto Eco's essay comparing PCs and Macs to Protestantism and Catholicism! cheers Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au
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Brook - You captured what was in my soul but not my mind. Using the Mac and its apps is an experience of artistry and ease, one that cannot be translated into columns of specs. And clearly for me there is value and pleasure in that. Aloha Friday, Rox On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Adrian Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Late entrant > > > On 13/06/2008, at 12:12 PM, Brook Hinton wrote: > > > When you buy a mac you are not primariiy paying for hardware. You are > > primarily buying a specific type of functionality and a specific > > manifestation of a computing experience, wrapped in a piece of > > industrial > > design. On a secondary level (primary for some), you are > > buying compatibility with a set of applications from apple and other > > manufacturers that work together in a particular way on macs (and in > > some > > cases are not available for windows). Hardware is just the base. > > Which is > > why if you only care about hardware power (and especially if you > > care about > > it in a bang for the buck way), and assuming you like Windows ok, > > you should > > not get a mac. > > friends sometimes ask me about buying computers, and they refuse to > consider a mac because they think it is more expensive. As has been > discussed here the difference is minor, if it exists at all. But what > always intrigues me is that these friends regularly drive old european > cars (they can't afford new ones). I point this out and they have all > these answers which, at the end of the day, boil down to recognising > the value of exemplary design. > > I then point out that that is what the mac is doing, and just like > that clapped out Renault out there, it just does what it does in a way > that is not just about getting from A to B. I think Brook nails this > pretty well here, some of us want our computers to be hammers - we > like our PCs - some of us like our computers to be Giustaforza torque > wrenchs (sorry, struggled to find a tool analogy) - we like our macs. > > and we shouldn't forget Umberto Eco's essay comparing PCs and Macs to > Protestantism and Catholicism! > > cheers > Adrian Miles > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > bachelor communication honours coordinator > vogmae.net.au > > > -- Roxanne Darling "o ke kai" means "of the sea" in hawaiian Join us at the reef! Mermaid videos, geeks talking, and lots more http://reef.beachwalks.tv 808-384-5554 Video --> http://www.beachwalks.tv Company -- > http://www.barefeetstudios.com Twitter--> http://www.twitter.com/roxannedarling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re:From Mac *TO* PC -- Should I Switch?
I'd always had a pc (work) laptop until I bought a macbook pro for home. I couldn't afford a mac and the pc did most things I wanted it to. but usually I had to fix it before I could use it - even for simple installations - there was usually something missing and I had to install extra bits or the s/w I wanted to try was only on mac. since buying the mac I haven't had to do this, so I've found I prefer using it and am more productive on it than before when I had a pc. I can just sit down and start making things so I find it's better for my creativity levels. I like the software that comes with it - iphoto etc and how it's easier for me wrt to music/video/development tools. I'm an engineer and work on computers all day at work - years ago I used to like fixing computers & kept up with hardware specs etc but now I'd much rather just use one. I still have a windows laptop for work and work on linux/posix systems too so go through the pain at work. but for home I wouldn't go back to pc now except for maybe a cheaper storage server desktop/archive system solution as it'd only be used for file storage perhaps remote access to files, though with cheap ISP online disk storage options available these days even this is a stretch. the one I bought originally had a screen problem - I think I must have bought one of the first batches - and the apple store support from where I bought it was terrible. eventually I went to apple australia during a trip home and they arranged a replacement and since then everything's worked well. they said it's easier to purchase online rather than the stores as the stores don't have the same infrastructure they used to for getting things fixed. if I'd known that at the time I would have bought it online originally like my first apple product - the ipod. the mac was more expensive but for me I don't care about that because it's saved more time in me having to get things to work first go & actually getting something creative done, so was worth the money. over time the difference isn't much. the only problem I have now is I fill the disk all the time but that's a user issue not machine. I wish they'd let me use the mac at work instead of the pc. the best thing I like about OSX (& linux) is that when you open a few things at once and are working in one screen the other screens open in background and u can select them when u are ready. whereas windows pushes everything to the front when it's ready - it doesn't care if you're in the middle of typing something in an already selected window. this annoys me no end on a pc at work!! -- http://www.aliak.com
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Just begin to explore running XP on the MacBook Pro. Four years ago added a G4 laptop to the PC I'd always used. The peace of mind of not having to worry about digital intruders, being awakened in the middle of the night by the PC waking to scan for virus problems, junk being left on the PC hard drive after uninstalling programs... Ease of use... Elegance. The PC died over the winter and I'll not be replacing it, especially since I can run the XP programs purchased through the years on the mac. Seems like a win-win. Jan On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Kath O'Donnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd always had a pc (work) laptop until I bought a macbook pro for > home. I couldn't afford a mac and the pc did most things I wanted it > to. but usually I had to fix it before I could use it - even for > simple installations - there was usually something missing and I had > to install extra bits or the s/w I wanted to try was only on mac. > since buying the mac I haven't had to do this, so I've found I prefer > using it and am more productive on it than before when I had a pc. I > can just sit down and start making things so I find it's better for my > creativity levels. I like the software that comes with it - iphoto etc > and how it's easier for me wrt to music/video/development tools. I'm > an engineer and work on computers all day at work - years ago I used > to like fixing computers & kept up with hardware specs etc but now I'd > much rather just use one. I still have a windows laptop for work and > work on linux/posix systems too so go through the pain at work. but > for home I wouldn't go back to pc now except for maybe a cheaper > storage server desktop/archive system solution as it'd only be used > for file storage perhaps remote access to files, though with cheap > ISP online disk storage options available these days even this is a > stretch. the one I bought originally had a screen problem - I think I > must have bought one of the first batches - and the apple store > support from where I bought it was terrible. eventually I went to > apple australia during a trip home and they arranged a replacement and > since then everything's worked well. they said it's easier to purchase > online rather than the stores as the stores don't have the same > infrastructure they used to for getting things fixed. if I'd known > that at the time I would have bought it online originally like my > first apple product - the ipod. the mac was more expensive but for me > I don't care about that because it's saved more time in me having to > get things to work first go & actually getting something creative > done, so was worth the money. over time the difference isn't much. the > only problem I have now is I fill the disk all the time but that's a > user issue not machine. I wish they'd let me use the mac at work > instead of the pc. the best thing I like about OSX (& linux) is that > when you open a few things at once and are working in one screen the > other screens open in background and u can select them when u are > ready. whereas windows pushes everything to the front when it's ready > - it doesn't care if you're in the middle of typing something in an > already selected window. this annoys me no end on a pc at work!! > > > > > > > -- > http://www.aliak.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- Jan McLaughlin Production Sound Mixer air = 862-571-5334 aim = janofsound skype = janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
