[videoblogging] crappy-looking video

2005-08-18 Thread Philip Clark




I'm trying to export a movie clip from iMovie in such a way as to make 
it look as low-quality as possible. (Indulge me here for a minute.) I 
could export it using the "Email" setting and then re-import it and 
export again at 320x240. But I'd rather do it in one step.

Ideally, low quality would go hand-in-hand with a low file size; 
otherwise I'd just mess it up with some crazy pixelation/distortion 
effects.

So I go to QuickTime > Expert Settings, choose 8 frames/second, 
Quality: least, Data Rate: a very low number. Then there's a drop-down 
menu with a ton of different formats.

I've tried a couple of them, but I thought I'd save some time and just 
ask, are there any of these formats which lend themselves more to 
crappy-looking video?

thanks, philip
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Re: [videoblogging] crappy-looking video

2005-08-18 Thread Andreas Haugstrup




On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:29:40 +0200, Philip Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> Ideally, low quality would go hand-in-hand with a low file size;
> otherwise I'd just mess it up with some crazy pixelation/distortion
> effects.

Yeah. :o)

> So I go to QuickTime > Expert Settings, choose 8 frames/second,
> Quality: least, Data Rate: a very low number. Then there's a drop-down
> menu with a ton of different formats.

If you've got 3ivx, use it. It gives pretty crisp images at low quality.  
Otherwise:

Video codex: MPEG-4
Framerate: 6 for PAL, 5 or 10 for NTSC (Someone on this told me to scale  
down framerates in even fractions).
Daterate: Start with 5 KB/s - move up if it looks too crappy.

I've used 3ivx (instead of MPEG-4) with 6 frames per second and a datarate  
of 10KB/s before. It's pretty good. You can see what's going on fine. My  
video was 60x120 so YMMV. If there is a lot of movement (like Bre Pettis  
flailing his arms in the air) the low framerate is very noticeable,  
otherwise it doesn't matter.

I'll encourage anyone who pushes compression. I'm not a fan of this whole  
"5 megs per minute is fine" when 1.5 megs per minute is just fine. :o)

> I've tried a couple of them, but I thought I'd save some time and just
> ask, are there any of these formats which lend themselves more to
> crappy-looking video?

If you just want it to look crappy go with an old video codec. Cinepak  
with a low datarate should give you a pretty crappy video. :o)

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Re: [videoblogging] crappy-looking video

2005-08-18 Thread Adrian Miles




around the 18/8/05 Philip Clark mentioned about [videoblogging] 
crappy-looking video that:
>I've tried a couple of them, but I thought I'd save some time and just
>ask, are there any of these formats which lend themselves more to
>crappy-looking video?

set a low data rate, large pixel size, and have a lot of action. if 
it is still then you just can't do it without a lot of effort. Also 
qt pro will give more control, but you want to over ride presets so 
that you drop data rate, bump up frame rate, and resolution.
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cheers
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Re: [videoblogging] crappy-looking video

2005-08-19 Thread ryanne hodson




all your answers are here

http://freevlog.org/wordpress/index.php/2005/05/22/tutorial-imovie-compression-settings/

this is my life,
ryanne

On 8/18/05, Philip Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm trying to export a movie clip from iMovie in such a way as to make
> it look as low-quality as possible. (Indulge me here for a minute.) I
> could export it using the "Email" setting and then re-import it and
> export again at 320x240. But I'd rather do it in one step.
> 
> Ideally, low quality would go hand-in-hand with a low file size;
> otherwise I'd just mess it up with some crazy pixelation/distortion
> effects.
> 
> So I go to QuickTime > Expert Settings, choose 8 frames/second,
> Quality: least, Data Rate: a very low number. Then there's a drop-down
> menu with a ton of different formats.
> 
> I've tried a couple of them, but I thought I'd save some time and just
> ask, are there any of these formats which lend themselves more to
> crappy-looking video?
> 
> thanks, philip
> http://swordfight.org
> 
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> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: [videoblogging] crappy-looking video

2005-08-19 Thread ryanne hodson




in other words, dont follow our instructions
if you are trying to make a crappy looking vid

go backwards
use the opposite.

why are you making crappy video?

On 8/19/05, ryanne hodson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> all your answers are here
> 
> http://freevlog.org/wordpress/index.php/2005/05/22/tutorial-imovie-compression-settings/
> 
> this is my life,
> ryanne
> 
> On 8/18/05, Philip Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm trying to export a movie clip from iMovie in such a way as to make
> > it look as low-quality as possible. (Indulge me here for a minute.) I
> > could export it using the "Email" setting and then re-import it and
> > export again at 320x240. But I'd rather do it in one step.
> >
> > Ideally, low quality would go hand-in-hand with a low file size;
> > otherwise I'd just mess it up with some crazy pixelation/distortion
> > effects.
> >
> > So I go to QuickTime > Expert Settings, choose 8 frames/second,
> > Quality: least, Data Rate: a very low number. Then there's a drop-down
> > menu with a ton of different formats.
> >
> > I've tried a couple of them, but I thought I'd save some time and just
> > ask, are there any of these formats which lend themselves more to
> > crappy-looking video?
> >
> > thanks, philip
> > http://swordfight.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> --
> ~Ryanne Hodson~
> Start a Free Videoblog...Right Now
> freevlog.org
> --
> -transcending traditional media-
> http://ryanedit.blogspot.com
> 


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Re: [videoblogging] crappy-looking video

2005-08-20 Thread Jen Simmons




You want crappy looking video??
Then I recommend "Soreson Video" codec (export using Quicktime  
conversion in Final Cut + pick Soreson Video as the codec... or some  
similar thing in a different system). Use this codec, along with the  
other advice (like a low data rate) to get a super pixelated look. (It  
was the main codec used for the Quicktime 5 Player and stinks compared  
to Mpeg-4.) The best thing to do is a lot of trial and error. There's  
nothing like compressing and recompressing the same clip a couple of  
dozen times while taking lots of notes about all the different numbers  
you are using to get a real understanding of how compression works. It  
will only take 10-12 hours or so :-)

The "best" way to get crappy audio is to compress the audio at or below  
24 kHz -- the lower, the crappier. But you may really, really NOT want  
to make your audio crappy too.

So yeah, like Ryanne said -- what are you up to?

jen


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On Aug 18, 2005, at 11:19 PM, Adrian Miles wrote:

> around the 18/8/05 Philip Clark mentioned about [videoblogging]
> crappy-looking video that:
>> I've tried a couple of them, but I thought I'd save some time and just
>> ask, are there any of these formats which lend themselves more to
>> crappy-looking video?
>
> set a low data rate, large pixel size, and have a lot of action. if
> it is still then you just can't do it without a lot of effort. Also
> qt pro will give more control, but you want to over ride presets so
> that you drop data rate, bump up frame rate, and resolution.
> --  
> cheers
> Adrian Miles
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