Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise

[Brian Richardson - WhatTheCast?]

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:06 am, Christopher Polack wrote:
> If you monitor via the AV mode, you get a buzz
> from the video track.

Could that just be noisy/cheap pre-amps?
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise

[Jan McLaughlin]

Check your settings to see if there's an audio setting to listen "off tape".

If there *is such an option, that's very cool to know since that is a more
'pro' kinda thing - to hear what you've actually recorded as opposed to a
signal that just goes straight through the camera electronics.

That made me curious.

Check page 30 of the manual - the headphone out does double duty as A/V out
- and there's a menu setting to choose audio or A/V. I'm guessing that the
A/V out setting gives you audio 'off tape', which would account for the
delay.

Jan

On Feb 5, 2008 3:56 PM, Irene Duma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I was hearing an ³echo² type thing last time. Freaked me out, but it
> wasn¹t
> on the tape. Luckily.
>
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> On 2/5/08 1:22 PM, "Adam Quirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > I use little Sony earbuds and I haven't experienced any delay.  Maybe
> try
> > messing around with the AT and wind cut options?  Not sure.
> >
> > On Feb 5, 2008 1:10 PM, Christopher Polack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  > wrote:
> >
> >> > Has anyone experienced an audio delay while using headphones with the
> >> > HV20? I've tried it both with and with out my AT Mic and I hear a
> >> > delay. On the tape it's fine.
> >> >
> >> > Any thoughts?
> >> >
> >> > Topher Polack
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise

[Irene Duma]

I was hearing an ³echo² type thing last time. Freaked me out, but it wasn¹t
on the tape. Luckily.


On 2/5/08 1:22 PM, "Adam Quirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> I use little Sony earbuds and I haven't experienced any delay.  Maybe try
> messing around with the AT and wind cut options?  Not sure.
> 
> On Feb 5, 2008 1:10 PM, Christopher Polack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > wrote:
> 
>> > Has anyone experienced an audio delay while using headphones with the
>> > HV20? I've tried it both with and with out my AT Mic and I hear a
>> > delay. On the tape it's fine.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts?
>> >
>> > Topher Polack
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise

[Adam Quirk]

I use little Sony earbuds and I haven't experienced any delay.  Maybe try
messing around with the AT and wind cut options?  Not sure.

On Feb 5, 2008 1:10 PM, Christopher Polack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Has anyone experienced an audio delay while using headphones with the
> HV20? I've tried it both with and with out my AT Mic and I hear a
> delay. On the tape it's fine.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Topher Polack
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise

[Adam Quirk]

What are you capturing with?  Have you tried HDVSplit?
http://strony.aster.pl/paviko/

That's what I use to capture 24p stuff.  Premiere seems to work fine for
regular 1080i footage with no dropped frames (yet).

I haven't had any dropout problems with either tape format though. And I
haven't seen any other noticeable differences in quality, so I'm thinking
I'll just stick with regular DV and save myself a few bucks a tape.

On Feb 1, 2008 9:59 PM, Brook Hinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Regular mini dv seems a little more dropout-prone.
>
> Brook
>
>
> On 2/1/08, Adam Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > While we're on the HV20 topic, has anyone noticed any difference in
> quality
> >  when shooting with HD Mini DV tapes VS regular Mini DV tapes?
> >
> >
> >  On Feb 1, 2008 7:51 PM, Adam Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  > You can also buy shoe shock mounts a la carte for around $30:
> >  > http://urltea.com/2mj0
> >  >
> >  > I have the HV20 with one of those shock mounts and this Azden mic:
> >  > http://urltea.com/2mj1
> >  >
> >  > It's a nice little set up for under $100. The mic picks up only what
> you
> >  > point it at.
> >  >
> >  > I've found it's necessary to use the external mic at all times. I've
> only
> >  > shot a few things without it, and you can hear the camera mechanism
> > pretty
> >  > obviously, like in the first 5 seconds of this video:
> >  > http://www.vimeo.com/435808
> >  >
> >  > Other than this minor flaw, the HV20 is the best little camera I've
> ever
> >  > had.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > On Feb 1, 2008 5:24 PM, Michael Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  >
> >  > > Josh it looks like that canon mic doesn't have a shock mount. The
> Rode
> >  > > mic does. Also you put it on a boom pole and run an extension to
> the
> >  > > camera if you want.
> >  > >
> >  > > - Verdi
> >  > >
> >  > > On Feb 1, 2008 3:42 PM, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  > > >
> >  > > >
> >  > > >
> >  > > >
> >  > > >
> >  > > >
> >  > > > it looks nice, but compared to the camera I would attach it to,
> it
> >  > > doesn't
> >  > > > look very compact:
> >  > > > http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5379014
> >  > > >
> >  > > > the canon does look a little smaller:
> >  > > >
> > http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/alphaelectronics/P9020057.jpg
> >  > > >
> >  > > >
> >  > > > On Feb 1, 2008 4:38 PM, influxxmedia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  > > >
> >  > > > > That Rode mic looks pretty sweet. Not least because it has 1/8
> mini
> >  > > > > jack, bypassing the need
> >  > > > > for a converter like the BeachTek. Good to get endorsements
> from
> >  > > many
> >  > > > > people.
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > What sort of battery life does it get?
> >  > > > >
> >  > > > > adam
> >  > > > >
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> >  > > >
> >  > > > --
> >  > > > Josh Leo
> >  > > >
> >  > > > www.JoshLeo.com
> >  > > > www.ultrakawaii.com
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise

[Brook Hinton]

Regular mini dv seems a little more dropout-prone.

Brook


On 2/1/08, Adam Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> While we're on the HV20 topic, has anyone noticed any difference in quality
>  when shooting with HD Mini DV tapes VS regular Mini DV tapes?
>
>
>  On Feb 1, 2008 7:51 PM, Adam Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  > You can also buy shoe shock mounts a la carte for around $30:
>  > http://urltea.com/2mj0
>  >
>  > I have the HV20 with one of those shock mounts and this Azden mic:
>  > http://urltea.com/2mj1
>  >
>  > It's a nice little set up for under $100. The mic picks up only what you
>  > point it at.
>  >
>  > I've found it's necessary to use the external mic at all times. I've only
>  > shot a few things without it, and you can hear the camera mechanism
> pretty
>  > obviously, like in the first 5 seconds of this video:
>  > http://www.vimeo.com/435808
>  >
>  > Other than this minor flaw, the HV20 is the best little camera I've ever
>  > had.
>  >
>  >
>  > On Feb 1, 2008 5:24 PM, Michael Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >
>  > > Josh it looks like that canon mic doesn't have a shock mount. The Rode
>  > > mic does. Also you put it on a boom pole and run an extension to the
>  > > camera if you want.
>  > >
>  > > - Verdi
>  > >
>  > > On Feb 1, 2008 3:42 PM, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > it looks nice, but compared to the camera I would attach it to, it
>  > > doesn't
>  > > > look very compact:
>  > > > http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5379014
>  > > >
>  > > > the canon does look a little smaller:
>  > > >
> http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/alphaelectronics/P9020057.jpg
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > On Feb 1, 2008 4:38 PM, influxxmedia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > > >
>  > > > > That Rode mic looks pretty sweet. Not least because it has 1/8 mini
>  > > > > jack, bypassing the need
>  > > > > for a converter like the BeachTek. Good to get endorsements from
>  > > many
>  > > > > people.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > What sort of battery life does it get?
>  > > > >
>  > > > > adam
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > --
>  > > > Josh Leo
>  > > >
>  > > > www.JoshLeo.com
>  > > > www.ultrakawaii.com
>  > > > www.WanderingWestMichigan.com
>  > > > www.SlowLorisMedia.com
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>  > > http://nscape.tv
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise

[Adam Quirk]

While we're on the HV20 topic, has anyone noticed any difference in quality
when shooting with HD Mini DV tapes VS regular Mini DV tapes?

On Feb 1, 2008 7:51 PM, Adam Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You can also buy shoe shock mounts a la carte for around $30:
> http://urltea.com/2mj0
>
> I have the HV20 with one of those shock mounts and this Azden mic:
> http://urltea.com/2mj1
>
> It's a nice little set up for under $100.  The mic picks up only what you
> point it at.
>
> I've found it's necessary to use the external mic at all times.  I've only
> shot a few things without it, and you can hear the camera mechanism pretty
> obviously, like in the first 5 seconds of this video:
> http://www.vimeo.com/435808
>
> Other than this minor flaw, the HV20 is the best little camera I've ever
> had.
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2008 5:24 PM, Michael Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Josh it looks like that canon mic doesn't have a shock mount. The Rode
> > mic does. Also you put it on a boom pole and run an extension to the
> > camera if you want.
> >
> > - Verdi
> >
> > On Feb 1, 2008 3:42 PM, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > it looks nice, but compared to the camera I would attach it to, it
> > doesn't
> > >  look very compact:
> > >  http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5379014
> > >
> > >  the canon does look a little smaller:
> > >  http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/alphaelectronics/P9020057.jpg
> > >
> > >
> > >  On Feb 1, 2008 4:38 PM, influxxmedia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >  > That Rode mic looks pretty sweet. Not least because it has 1/8 mini
> > >  > jack, bypassing the need
> > >  > for a converter like the BeachTek. Good to get endorsements from
> > many
> > >  > people.
> > >  >
> > >  > What sort of battery life does it get?
> > >  >
> > >  > adam
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >
> > >  --
> > >  Josh Leo
> > >
> > >  www.JoshLeo.com
> > >  www.ultrakawaii.com
> > >  www.WanderingWestMichigan.com
> > >  www.SlowLorisMedia.com
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> >
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise

[Adam Quirk]

You can also buy shoe shock mounts a la carte for around $30:
http://urltea.com/2mj0

I have the HV20 with one of those shock mounts and this Azden mic:
http://urltea.com/2mj1

It's a nice little set up for under $100.  The mic picks up only what you
point it at.

I've found it's necessary to use the external mic at all times.  I've only
shot a few things without it, and you can hear the camera mechanism pretty
obviously, like in the first 5 seconds of this video:
http://www.vimeo.com/435808

Other than this minor flaw, the HV20 is the best little camera I've ever
had.

On Feb 1, 2008 5:24 PM, Michael Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Josh it looks like that canon mic doesn't have a shock mount. The Rode
> mic does. Also you put it on a boom pole and run an extension to the
> camera if you want.
>
> - Verdi
>
> On Feb 1, 2008 3:42 PM, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > it looks nice, but compared to the camera I would attach it to, it
> doesn't
> >  look very compact:
> >  http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5379014
> >
> >  the canon does look a little smaller:
> >  http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/alphaelectronics/P9020057.jpg
> >
> >
> >  On Feb 1, 2008 4:38 PM, influxxmedia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  > That Rode mic looks pretty sweet. Not least because it has 1/8 mini
> >  > jack, bypassing the need
> >  > for a converter like the BeachTek. Good to get endorsements from many
> >  > people.
> >  >
> >  > What sort of battery life does it get?
> >  >
> >  > adam
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >
> >  --
> >  Josh Leo
> >
> >  www.JoshLeo.com
> >  www.ultrakawaii.com
> >  www.WanderingWestMichigan.com
> >  www.SlowLorisMedia.com
> >
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise

[Michael Verdi]

Josh it looks like that canon mic doesn't have a shock mount. The Rode
mic does. Also you put it on a boom pole and run an extension to the
camera if you want.

- Verdi

On Feb 1, 2008 3:42 PM, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> it looks nice, but compared to the camera I would attach it to, it doesn't
>  look very compact:
>  http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5379014
>
>  the canon does look a little smaller:
>  http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/alphaelectronics/P9020057.jpg
>
>
>  On Feb 1, 2008 4:38 PM, influxxmedia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  > That Rode mic looks pretty sweet. Not least because it has 1/8 mini
>  > jack, bypassing the need
>  > for a converter like the BeachTek. Good to get endorsements from many
>  > people.
>  >
>  > What sort of battery life does it get?
>  >
>  > adam
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
>  --
>  Josh Leo
>
>  www.JoshLeo.com
>  www.ultrakawaii.com
>  www.WanderingWestMichigan.com
>  www.SlowLorisMedia.com
>
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise

[Josh Leo]

it looks nice, but compared to the camera I would attach it to, it doesn't
look very compact:
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5379014

the canon does look a little smaller:
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/alphaelectronics/P9020057.jpg


On Feb 1, 2008 4:38 PM, influxxmedia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   That Rode mic looks pretty sweet. Not least because it has 1/8 mini
> jack, bypassing the need
> for a converter like the BeachTek. Good to get endorsements from many
> people.
>
> What sort of battery life does it get?
>
> adam
>
>  
>



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RE: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise

[Jake Ludington]

> For the Solo Video Practitioner:
> 
> Your statements here are why I advocate simply keeping the camera (a
> small
> camera) within 3 feet of the speaking subject for the solo practitioner
> who
> wants good sound.

I would disagree with this for the HV20 - get an external microphone and you
will get better sound.

Get a microphone that works well within 3 feet of you or less, put it on a
stand outside the range of your shot, do some testing then forget about it.
The videos will sound better.

If you have the option to record straight to your hard drive and skip the
tape, even better.

Jake Ludington

http://www.jakeludington.com

Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise

[Jan McLaughlin]

For the Solo Video Practitioner:

Your statements here are why I advocate simply keeping the camera (a small
camera) within 3 feet of the speaking subject for the solo practitioner who
wants good sound.

It takes a good long time to get good at recording good sound with lots of
tools in the mix AND your dedicated ear, listening to what's going down on
tape.

If you ear is NOT dedicated, you're going to screw it up eventually - and
the more gear you have between the voice and the medium the more chance of
goofing it up.

What I LOVE about this medium is that you CAN do quality work without all
the bells & whistles. I know what it is to work with all the bells &
whistles. To heck with that :)

Another suggestion for the solo practitioner: Consider two recording
devices. One for video and one for audio. Use the camera for excellent
b-roll of the subject and environment. Record an audio-only interview where
you can really focus on questions and answers and know to a great deal of
certainty that you are getting good audio. Then cut the two together. Here's
an example of that idea used to good effect: <
http://fauxpress.blogspot.com/2007/04/composer-andrew-shapiro-interview.html
>

Jan

On Jan 31, 2008 11:38 PM, Brook Hinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Every HV20 seems to have a diffferent level of mechanical noise, but
> they are all a bit loud.
>
> The DM50 does not do well vs. the videomics according to those who
> have used both. The DM50 is a decidedly consumer product - both the
> Rode's are designed to bring pro level sound to high-Z
> consumer/prosumer equipment.
>
> Beachtek boxes and the like are great IF you already have a $500+ pro
> mic and a good mount for it. I have used them on multiple cameras.
> They do NOT improve the mic preamp you are stuck with in the camera
> (fortunately the HV20's hi-z preamp isn't nearly as bad as those on
> Sony's consumer cams). But the Rode videomics really change this
> equation, as they can deliver excellent sound and are DESIGNED for
> camtop use. I have a beachtek, phantom power supply, and $900 AT4073s
> that I use in a variety of applications, and I even HAVE a camtop
> shock mount that works with them, but I'm still going for the videomic
> (probably both models) for my HV20. I wish the videomics were smaller
> and less "look at me" in appearance, but the only better option there
> is the tinymic, and they are uber uber pricey (and that tiny diaphragm
> just makes me nervous. How can it be a shotgun mic when my first
> impulse is to convert it into a contact mic?)
>
> There are reports that the stereo videomic still picks up camera noise
> in very quiet environments, while the shotgun model is less prone to
> this.
>
> yeah, lavs solve a lot of problems. For straight "talent on camera"
> work a GOOD wireless lav setup is wise, but in general I don't like
> the sound of lavs. I prefer even imperfect open sound that has a sense
> of space to the sound of lavs, as long as intelligibibility isn't an
> issue.
>
> The best sound will always be from an overhead boom as close to the
> subject as possible, but that doesn't help the solo filmmaker.
>
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise

[Brook Hinton]

Every HV20 seems to have a diffferent level of mechanical noise, but
they are all a bit loud.

The DM50 does not do well vs. the videomics according to those who
have used both. The DM50 is a decidedly consumer product - both the
Rode's are designed to bring pro level sound to high-Z
consumer/prosumer equipment.

Beachtek boxes and the like are great IF you already have a $500+ pro
mic and a good mount for it. I have used them on multiple cameras.
They do NOT improve the mic preamp you are stuck with in the camera
(fortunately the HV20's hi-z preamp isn't nearly as bad as those on
Sony's consumer cams). But the Rode videomics really change this
equation, as they can deliver excellent sound and are DESIGNED for
camtop use. I have a beachtek, phantom power supply, and $900 AT4073s
that I use in a variety of applications, and I even HAVE a camtop
shock mount that works with them, but I'm still going for the videomic
(probably both models) for my HV20. I wish the videomics were smaller
and less "look at me" in appearance, but the only better option there
is the tinymic, and they are uber uber pricey (and that tiny diaphragm
just makes me nervous. How can it be a shotgun mic when my first
impulse is to convert it into a contact mic?)

There are reports that the stereo videomic still picks up camera noise
in very quiet environments, while the shotgun model is less prone to
this.

yeah, lavs solve a lot of problems. For straight "talent on camera"
work a GOOD wireless lav setup is wise, but in general I don't like
the sound of lavs. I prefer even imperfect open sound that has a sense
of space to the sound of lavs, as long as intelligibibility isn't an
issue.

The best sound will always be from an overhead boom as close to the
subject as possible, but that doesn't help the solo filmmaker.

Brook




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Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise

[Jan McLaughlin]

The hum being something horrible happening in the camera, camera hum
generally is a function of 'proximity effect'.

The mic is next to the machine. The mic will pick up that which is closest,
best. Proximity.

That's why lavs work well - they can get closest to the bodies' resonators
for those wide shots and walk and talks.

Sometimes an inch one way or another makes all the difference in the world.

Mic placement is everything.

If the mic ain't in the right place, you got nuthin'.

What ever tool (mic / mixer / camera) know its limits - find its limits in
experiments - and respect them.

You'll make great sound.

Jan

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise

[Jackson West]

Just from an audio-geek perspective, if you can figure out the pitch of the
hum it should be fairly easy to attenuate it using a notch-filter or
parametric EQ in FCP.  I used to do this all the time with sixty-cycle hum
from old analog equipment.

JW

On Jan 31, 2008 2:16 PM, Irene Duma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   My hv20 doesn¹t make that much noise either.
>
> I have the Rode video mic too ­ but find that it does pick up some camera
> noise still. I read online about getting an L bracket that will lift it up
> a
> bit higher from the body of the camera...anyone know of such a bracket?
>
> I once shot indoors with a dying flourescent bulb that made a horrendous
> noise something like that when the mic picked it up. I was able to get rid
> of most of it with this FCP plug-in - Mr. Hum by Wave arts.
> http://www.wavearts.com/MasterRestoration.html
>
> Sadly my 30 day free trial expired so am waiting for my next paid gig to
> buy
> the software because it was pretty cool.
>
> I went with the Rode mic vs the Canon when a post in a forum revealed that
> with the Rode, you can use it on other cameras that you may have as well,
> whereas the Canon will only work with the hotshoe mount. And since mics
> last
> longer than cameras, you¹ll be able to use the Rode on other subsequent
> cameras you buy. Thought that was a good selling point.
>
> Irene
>
> Irene Duma
> Strange Duck Media
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>
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>
>
> On 1/31/08 5:00 PM, "schlomo rabinowitz" <[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yeah, I've only played with the camera once, and that noise doesnt sound
> > right. I'd use that warranty and send it in just in case.
> > Couldn't hurt!
> >
> > On Jan 31, 2008 1:46 PM, Robert Croma <[EMAIL 
> > PROTECTED]
> >  > wrote:
> >
> >> > Josh, that's a hell of a whine.
> >> >
>
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise

[Irene Duma]

My hv20 doesn¹t make that much noise either.

I have the Rode video mic too ­ but find that it does pick up some camera
noise still. I read online about getting an L bracket that will lift it up a
bit higher from the body of the camera...anyone know of such a bracket?

I once shot indoors with a dying flourescent bulb that made a horrendous
noise something like that when the mic picked it up. I was able to get rid
of most of it with this FCP plug-in -  Mr. Hum by Wave arts.
http://www.wavearts.com/MasterRestoration.html

Sadly my 30 day free trial expired so am waiting for my next paid gig to buy
the software because it was pretty cool.

I went with the Rode mic vs the Canon when a post in a forum revealed that
with the Rode, you can use it on other cameras that you may have as well,
whereas the Canon will only work with the hotshoe mount. And since mics last
longer than cameras, you¹ll  be able to use the Rode on other subsequent
cameras you buy. Thought that was a good selling point.

Irene

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Strange Duck Media
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On 1/31/08 5:00 PM, "schlomo rabinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> Yeah, I've only played with the camera once, and that noise doesnt sound
> right.  I'd use that warranty and send it in just in case.
> Couldn't hurt!
> 
> On Jan 31, 2008 1:46 PM, Robert Croma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > wrote:
> 
>> >   Josh, that's a hell of a whine.
>> >




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Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise

[schlomo rabinowitz]

Yeah, I've only played with the camera once, and that noise doesnt sound
right.  I'd use that warranty and send it in just in case.
Couldn't hurt!

On Jan 31, 2008 1:46 PM, Robert Croma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   Josh, that's a hell of a whine.
>




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