Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:06 am, Christopher Polack wrote: If you monitor via the AV mode, you get a buzz from the video track. Could that just be noisy/cheap pre-amps? -- Brian Richardson - http://whatthecast.com - http://siliconchef.com - http://dragoncontv.com - http://www.3chip.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
I use little Sony earbuds and I haven't experienced any delay. Maybe try messing around with the AT and wind cut options? Not sure. On Feb 5, 2008 1:10 PM, Christopher Polack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone experienced an audio delay while using headphones with the HV20? I've tried it both with and with out my AT Mic and I hear a delay. On the tape it's fine. Any thoughts? Topher Polack Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
I was hearing an ³echo² type thing last time. Freaked me out, but it wasn¹t on the tape. Luckily. On 2/5/08 1:22 PM, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use little Sony earbuds and I haven't experienced any delay. Maybe try messing around with the AT and wind cut options? Not sure. On Feb 5, 2008 1:10 PM, Christopher Polack [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:ottorabbit%40gmail.com wrote: Has anyone experienced an audio delay while using headphones with the HV20? I've tried it both with and with out my AT Mic and I hear a delay. On the tape it's fine. Any thoughts? Topher Polack Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
Check your settings to see if there's an audio setting to listen off tape. If there *is such an option, that's very cool to know since that is a more 'pro' kinda thing - to hear what you've actually recorded as opposed to a signal that just goes straight through the camera electronics. That made me curious. Check page 30 of the manual - the headphone out does double duty as A/V out - and there's a menu setting to choose audio or A/V. I'm guessing that the A/V out setting gives you audio 'off tape', which would account for the delay. Jan On Feb 5, 2008 3:56 PM, Irene Duma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was hearing an ³echo² type thing last time. Freaked me out, but it wasn¹t on the tape. Luckily. On 2/5/08 1:22 PM, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use little Sony earbuds and I haven't experienced any delay. Maybe try messing around with the AT and wind cut options? Not sure. On Feb 5, 2008 1:10 PM, Christopher Polack [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:ottorabbit%40gmail.com wrote: Has anyone experienced an audio delay while using headphones with the HV20? I've tried it both with and with out my AT Mic and I hear a delay. On the tape it's fine. Any thoughts? Topher Polack Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://feeds.feedburner.com/diaryofafauxjournalist - RSS http://fauxpress.blogspot.com aim=janofsound air=862.571.5334 skype=janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
For the Solo Video Practitioner: Your statements here are why I advocate simply keeping the camera (a small camera) within 3 feet of the speaking subject for the solo practitioner who wants good sound. It takes a good long time to get good at recording good sound with lots of tools in the mix AND your dedicated ear, listening to what's going down on tape. If you ear is NOT dedicated, you're going to screw it up eventually - and the more gear you have between the voice and the medium the more chance of goofing it up. What I LOVE about this medium is that you CAN do quality work without all the bells whistles. I know what it is to work with all the bells whistles. To heck with that :) Another suggestion for the solo practitioner: Consider two recording devices. One for video and one for audio. Use the camera for excellent b-roll of the subject and environment. Record an audio-only interview where you can really focus on questions and answers and know to a great deal of certainty that you are getting good audio. Then cut the two together. Here's an example of that idea used to good effect: http://fauxpress.blogspot.com/2007/04/composer-andrew-shapiro-interview.html Jan On Jan 31, 2008 11:38 PM, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every HV20 seems to have a diffferent level of mechanical noise, but they are all a bit loud. The DM50 does not do well vs. the videomics according to those who have used both. The DM50 is a decidedly consumer product - both the Rode's are designed to bring pro level sound to high-Z consumer/prosumer equipment. Beachtek boxes and the like are great IF you already have a $500+ pro mic and a good mount for it. I have used them on multiple cameras. They do NOT improve the mic preamp you are stuck with in the camera (fortunately the HV20's hi-z preamp isn't nearly as bad as those on Sony's consumer cams). But the Rode videomics really change this equation, as they can deliver excellent sound and are DESIGNED for camtop use. I have a beachtek, phantom power supply, and $900 AT4073s that I use in a variety of applications, and I even HAVE a camtop shock mount that works with them, but I'm still going for the videomic (probably both models) for my HV20. I wish the videomics were smaller and less look at me in appearance, but the only better option there is the tinymic, and they are uber uber pricey (and that tiny diaphragm just makes me nervous. How can it be a shotgun mic when my first impulse is to convert it into a contact mic?) There are reports that the stereo videomic still picks up camera noise in very quiet environments, while the shotgun model is less prone to this. yeah, lavs solve a lot of problems. For straight talent on camera work a GOOD wireless lav setup is wise, but in general I don't like the sound of lavs. I prefer even imperfect open sound that has a sense of space to the sound of lavs, as long as intelligibibility isn't an issue. The best sound will always be from an overhead boom as close to the subject as possible, but that doesn't help the solo filmmaker. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://feeds.feedburner.com/diaryofafauxjournalist - RSS http://fauxpress.blogspot.com aim=janofsound air=862.571.5334 skype=janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
For the Solo Video Practitioner: Your statements here are why I advocate simply keeping the camera (a small camera) within 3 feet of the speaking subject for the solo practitioner who wants good sound. I would disagree with this for the HV20 - get an external microphone and you will get better sound. Get a microphone that works well within 3 feet of you or less, put it on a stand outside the range of your shot, do some testing then forget about it. The videos will sound better. If you have the option to record straight to your hard drive and skip the tape, even better. Jake Ludington http://www.jakeludington.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
it looks nice, but compared to the camera I would attach it to, it doesn't look very compact: http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5379014 the canon does look a little smaller: http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/alphaelectronics/P9020057.jpg On Feb 1, 2008 4:38 PM, influxxmedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That Rode mic looks pretty sweet. Not least because it has 1/8 mini jack, bypassing the need for a converter like the BeachTek. Good to get endorsements from many people. What sort of battery life does it get? adam -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.ultrakawaii.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
Josh it looks like that canon mic doesn't have a shock mount. The Rode mic does. Also you put it on a boom pole and run an extension to the camera if you want. - Verdi On Feb 1, 2008 3:42 PM, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it looks nice, but compared to the camera I would attach it to, it doesn't look very compact: http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5379014 the canon does look a little smaller: http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/alphaelectronics/P9020057.jpg On Feb 1, 2008 4:38 PM, influxxmedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That Rode mic looks pretty sweet. Not least because it has 1/8 mini jack, bypassing the need for a converter like the BeachTek. Good to get endorsements from many people. What sort of battery life does it get? adam -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.ultrakawaii.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://michaelverdi.com http://freevlog.org http://nscape.tv
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
You can also buy shoe shock mounts a la carte for around $30: http://urltea.com/2mj0 I have the HV20 with one of those shock mounts and this Azden mic: http://urltea.com/2mj1 It's a nice little set up for under $100. The mic picks up only what you point it at. I've found it's necessary to use the external mic at all times. I've only shot a few things without it, and you can hear the camera mechanism pretty obviously, like in the first 5 seconds of this video: http://www.vimeo.com/435808 Other than this minor flaw, the HV20 is the best little camera I've ever had. On Feb 1, 2008 5:24 PM, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh it looks like that canon mic doesn't have a shock mount. The Rode mic does. Also you put it on a boom pole and run an extension to the camera if you want. - Verdi On Feb 1, 2008 3:42 PM, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it looks nice, but compared to the camera I would attach it to, it doesn't look very compact: http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5379014 the canon does look a little smaller: http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/alphaelectronics/P9020057.jpg On Feb 1, 2008 4:38 PM, influxxmedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That Rode mic looks pretty sweet. Not least because it has 1/8 mini jack, bypassing the need for a converter like the BeachTek. Good to get endorsements from many people. What sort of battery life does it get? adam -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.ultrakawaii.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://michaelverdi.com http://freevlog.org http://nscape.tv Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
While we're on the HV20 topic, has anyone noticed any difference in quality when shooting with HD Mini DV tapes VS regular Mini DV tapes? On Feb 1, 2008 7:51 PM, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can also buy shoe shock mounts a la carte for around $30: http://urltea.com/2mj0 I have the HV20 with one of those shock mounts and this Azden mic: http://urltea.com/2mj1 It's a nice little set up for under $100. The mic picks up only what you point it at. I've found it's necessary to use the external mic at all times. I've only shot a few things without it, and you can hear the camera mechanism pretty obviously, like in the first 5 seconds of this video: http://www.vimeo.com/435808 Other than this minor flaw, the HV20 is the best little camera I've ever had. On Feb 1, 2008 5:24 PM, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh it looks like that canon mic doesn't have a shock mount. The Rode mic does. Also you put it on a boom pole and run an extension to the camera if you want. - Verdi On Feb 1, 2008 3:42 PM, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it looks nice, but compared to the camera I would attach it to, it doesn't look very compact: http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5379014 the canon does look a little smaller: http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/alphaelectronics/P9020057.jpg On Feb 1, 2008 4:38 PM, influxxmedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That Rode mic looks pretty sweet. Not least because it has 1/8 mini jack, bypassing the need for a converter like the BeachTek. Good to get endorsements from many people. What sort of battery life does it get? adam -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.ultrakawaii.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://michaelverdi.com http://freevlog.org http://nscape.tv Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
Regular mini dv seems a little more dropout-prone. Brook On 2/1/08, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While we're on the HV20 topic, has anyone noticed any difference in quality when shooting with HD Mini DV tapes VS regular Mini DV tapes? On Feb 1, 2008 7:51 PM, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can also buy shoe shock mounts a la carte for around $30: http://urltea.com/2mj0 I have the HV20 with one of those shock mounts and this Azden mic: http://urltea.com/2mj1 It's a nice little set up for under $100. The mic picks up only what you point it at. I've found it's necessary to use the external mic at all times. I've only shot a few things without it, and you can hear the camera mechanism pretty obviously, like in the first 5 seconds of this video: http://www.vimeo.com/435808 Other than this minor flaw, the HV20 is the best little camera I've ever had. On Feb 1, 2008 5:24 PM, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh it looks like that canon mic doesn't have a shock mount. The Rode mic does. Also you put it on a boom pole and run an extension to the camera if you want. - Verdi On Feb 1, 2008 3:42 PM, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it looks nice, but compared to the camera I would attach it to, it doesn't look very compact: http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5379014 the canon does look a little smaller: http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/alphaelectronics/P9020057.jpg On Feb 1, 2008 4:38 PM, influxxmedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That Rode mic looks pretty sweet. Not least because it has 1/8 mini jack, bypassing the need for a converter like the BeachTek. Good to get endorsements from many people. What sort of battery life does it get? adam -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.ultrakawaii.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://michaelverdi.com http://freevlog.org http://nscape.tv Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
What are you capturing with? Have you tried HDVSplit? http://strony.aster.pl/paviko/ That's what I use to capture 24p stuff. Premiere seems to work fine for regular 1080i footage with no dropped frames (yet). I haven't had any dropout problems with either tape format though. And I haven't seen any other noticeable differences in quality, so I'm thinking I'll just stick with regular DV and save myself a few bucks a tape. On Feb 1, 2008 9:59 PM, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regular mini dv seems a little more dropout-prone. Brook On 2/1/08, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While we're on the HV20 topic, has anyone noticed any difference in quality when shooting with HD Mini DV tapes VS regular Mini DV tapes? On Feb 1, 2008 7:51 PM, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can also buy shoe shock mounts a la carte for around $30: http://urltea.com/2mj0 I have the HV20 with one of those shock mounts and this Azden mic: http://urltea.com/2mj1 It's a nice little set up for under $100. The mic picks up only what you point it at. I've found it's necessary to use the external mic at all times. I've only shot a few things without it, and you can hear the camera mechanism pretty obviously, like in the first 5 seconds of this video: http://www.vimeo.com/435808 Other than this minor flaw, the HV20 is the best little camera I've ever had. On Feb 1, 2008 5:24 PM, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh it looks like that canon mic doesn't have a shock mount. The Rode mic does. Also you put it on a boom pole and run an extension to the camera if you want. - Verdi On Feb 1, 2008 3:42 PM, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it looks nice, but compared to the camera I would attach it to, it doesn't look very compact: http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5379014 the canon does look a little smaller: http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o253/alphaelectronics/P9020057.jpg On Feb 1, 2008 4:38 PM, influxxmedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That Rode mic looks pretty sweet. Not least because it has 1/8 mini jack, bypassing the need for a converter like the BeachTek. Good to get endorsements from many people. What sort of battery life does it get? adam -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.ultrakawaii.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://michaelverdi.com http://freevlog.org http://nscape.tv Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
My hv20 doesn¹t make that much noise either. I have the Rode video mic too but find that it does pick up some camera noise still. I read online about getting an L bracket that will lift it up a bit higher from the body of the camera...anyone know of such a bracket? I once shot indoors with a dying flourescent bulb that made a horrendous noise something like that when the mic picked it up. I was able to get rid of most of it with this FCP plug-in - Mr. Hum by Wave arts. http://www.wavearts.com/MasterRestoration.html Sadly my 30 day free trial expired so am waiting for my next paid gig to buy the software because it was pretty cool. I went with the Rode mic vs the Canon when a post in a forum revealed that with the Rode, you can use it on other cameras that you may have as well, whereas the Canon will only work with the hotshoe mount. And since mics last longer than cameras, you¹ll be able to use the Rode on other subsequent cameras you buy. Thought that was a good selling point. Irene Irene Duma Strange Duck Media ...a good egg [EMAIL PROTECTED] T 416-769-1879 C 416-535-0652 web design and creative marketing blogging easy computer tips http://www.strangeduck.com/blog and comedy at http://www.bittertonic.com On 1/31/08 5:00 PM, schlomo rabinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I've only played with the camera once, and that noise doesnt sound right. I'd use that warranty and send it in just in case. Couldn't hurt! On Jan 31, 2008 1:46 PM, Robert Croma [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:robert.croma%40gmail.com wrote: Josh, that's a hell of a whine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
Just from an audio-geek perspective, if you can figure out the pitch of the hum it should be fairly easy to attenuate it using a notch-filter or parametric EQ in FCP. I used to do this all the time with sixty-cycle hum from old analog equipment. JW On Jan 31, 2008 2:16 PM, Irene Duma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My hv20 doesn¹t make that much noise either. I have the Rode video mic too but find that it does pick up some camera noise still. I read online about getting an L bracket that will lift it up a bit higher from the body of the camera...anyone know of such a bracket? I once shot indoors with a dying flourescent bulb that made a horrendous noise something like that when the mic picked it up. I was able to get rid of most of it with this FCP plug-in - Mr. Hum by Wave arts. http://www.wavearts.com/MasterRestoration.html Sadly my 30 day free trial expired so am waiting for my next paid gig to buy the software because it was pretty cool. I went with the Rode mic vs the Canon when a post in a forum revealed that with the Rode, you can use it on other cameras that you may have as well, whereas the Canon will only work with the hotshoe mount. And since mics last longer than cameras, you¹ll be able to use the Rode on other subsequent cameras you buy. Thought that was a good selling point. Irene Irene Duma Strange Duck Media ...a good egg [EMAIL PROTECTED] irene%40strangeduck.com T 416-769-1879 C 416-535-0652 web design and creative marketing blogging easy computer tips http://www.strangeduck.com/blog and comedy at http://www.bittertonic.com On 1/31/08 5:00 PM, schlomo rabinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]schlomo%40gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I've only played with the camera once, and that noise doesnt sound right. I'd use that warranty and send it in just in case. Couldn't hurt! On Jan 31, 2008 1:46 PM, Robert Croma [EMAIL PROTECTED]robert.croma%40gmail.com mailto:robert.croma%40gmail.com wrote: Josh, that's a hell of a whine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
Yeah, I've only played with the camera once, and that noise doesnt sound right. I'd use that warranty and send it in just in case. Couldn't hurt! On Jan 31, 2008 1:46 PM, Robert Croma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh, that's a hell of a whine. -- Schlomo Rabinowitz http://schlomolog.blogspot.com http://hatfactory.net AIM:schlomochat [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
The hum being something horrible happening in the camera, camera hum generally is a function of 'proximity effect'. The mic is next to the machine. The mic will pick up that which is closest, best. Proximity. That's why lavs work well - they can get closest to the bodies' resonators for those wide shots and walk and talks. Sometimes an inch one way or another makes all the difference in the world. Mic placement is everything. If the mic ain't in the right place, you got nuthin'. What ever tool (mic / mixer / camera) know its limits - find its limits in experiments - and respect them. You'll make great sound. Jan -- The Faux Press - better than real http://feeds.feedburner.com/diaryofafauxjournalist - RSS http://fauxpress.blogspot.com aim=janofsound air=862.571.5334 skype=janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: HV20 Camera Noise
Every HV20 seems to have a diffferent level of mechanical noise, but they are all a bit loud. The DM50 does not do well vs. the videomics according to those who have used both. The DM50 is a decidedly consumer product - both the Rode's are designed to bring pro level sound to high-Z consumer/prosumer equipment. Beachtek boxes and the like are great IF you already have a $500+ pro mic and a good mount for it. I have used them on multiple cameras. They do NOT improve the mic preamp you are stuck with in the camera (fortunately the HV20's hi-z preamp isn't nearly as bad as those on Sony's consumer cams). But the Rode videomics really change this equation, as they can deliver excellent sound and are DESIGNED for camtop use. I have a beachtek, phantom power supply, and $900 AT4073s that I use in a variety of applications, and I even HAVE a camtop shock mount that works with them, but I'm still going for the videomic (probably both models) for my HV20. I wish the videomics were smaller and less look at me in appearance, but the only better option there is the tinymic, and they are uber uber pricey (and that tiny diaphragm just makes me nervous. How can it be a shotgun mic when my first impulse is to convert it into a contact mic?) There are reports that the stereo videomic still picks up camera noise in very quiet environments, while the shotgun model is less prone to this. yeah, lavs solve a lot of problems. For straight talent on camera work a GOOD wireless lav setup is wise, but in general I don't like the sound of lavs. I prefer even imperfect open sound that has a sense of space to the sound of lavs, as long as intelligibibility isn't an issue. The best sound will always be from an overhead boom as close to the subject as possible, but that doesn't help the solo filmmaker. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab
