Re: [videoblogging] Creative Commons, 10 day window

[Markus Sandy]

robert a/k/a r wrote:

  Markus, in my post there was no suggestion that we form a committee of 
joint vlogger fund, perhaps you misunderstood.

Of course there is always allocation of scarce resources questions, I 
assumed it a given since we are all grown ups on here and already know 
that.

  

understood and agreed

  The sole purpose of the post was to alert any on the list who might not 
be aware of the CC situation and individually care to support it.
  

Too bad! :)
This is a conversation and now it's my turn again :p
I guess I think of this as more of a "discussion group" than a
"bulletin board"
Actually, I'm glad you posted another announcement about this fund
raising drive.

  
Further, if you are directing your parenthetical remark re "pressing 
the paypal button towards me", I not only contribute to the media 
makers on this list and elsewhere I have also dropped a few bucks 
towards the tool makers.

  

It was directed at everyone.  I'm glad to hear you are doing what you
can to help out.


  Lastly, if Lessig says he is worried about the future of CC if the NFP 
status is cancelled, I'm willing to give his word the benefit of the 
doubt.
  


Me too, but I'm not so willing to prioritize over the others that I
mentioned.
As you pointed out, the resources are scarce.


  

peace
r



On Dec 22, 2005, at 3:41 PM, Markus Sandy wrote:

  
  
...
continued existence; although Lessig claims it is essential).
...
second, i think the question arises as to if and how we should pull
together and help out one single organization with so much money?
maybe we should be asking some hard questions here.
...
 (how many paypal buttons
have you pressed this year?)
...
i do appreciate their services, but I question their needs over others

markus


  
  


  

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Re: [videoblogging] Creative Commons, 10 day window

[robert a/k/a r]

Markus, in my post there was no suggestion that we form a committee of 
joint vlogger fund, perhaps you misunderstood.

Of course there is always allocation of scarce resources questions, I 
assumed it a given since we are all grown ups on here and already know 
that.

The sole purpose of the post was to alert any on the list who might not 
be aware of the CC situation and individually care to support it.

Further, if you are directing your parenthetical remark re "pressing 
the paypal button towards me", I not only contribute to the media 
makers on this list and elsewhere I have also dropped a few bucks 
towards the tool makers.

Lastly, if Lessig says he is worried about the future of CC if the NFP 
status is cancelled, I'm willing to give his word the benefit of the 
doubt.


peace
r



On Dec 22, 2005, at 3:41 PM, Markus Sandy wrote:

> ...
> continued existence; although Lessig claims it is essential).
> ...
> second, i think the question arises as to if and how we should pull
> together and help out one single organization with so much money?
> maybe we should be asking some hard questions here.
> ...
>  (how many paypal buttons
> have you pressed this year?)
> ...
> i do appreciate their services, but I question their needs over others
>
> markus
>



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Re: [videoblogging] Creative Commons, 10 day window

[Markus Sandy]

David Meade wrote:

  On 12/22/05, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
  
Finally, let's not confuse CC licenses with the works they license.
CC is not responsible for all the great "CC" content that is out there
we are

  
  
Well, true, but with out CC a huge portion of what we consider cool in
vlogging -- the inherrent sharing and community -- would either a)
force our audiance to break copy law, or b) force the authors to
release ALL rights to the content.
  


obviously lot's of folks clearly do (a) 

i disagree with (b)
C, CC and PD are not the only alternatives

also, AFAIK, no one has yet to test if a CC license holds up in court


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Re: [videoblogging] Creative Commons, 10 day window

[David Meade]

On 12/22/05, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Finally, let's not confuse CC licenses with the works they license.
> CC is not responsible for all the great "CC" content that is out there
> we are

Well, true, but with out CC a huge portion of what we consider cool in
vlogging -- the inherrent sharing and community -- would either a)
force our audiance to break copy law, or b) force the authors to
release ALL rights to the content.

Not much point in us creating content if it cannot be shared because
its against the law.

Only a handful 'bad uses' that flood my head would prevent me from
releasing all rights whatsoever.  So ... without CC I either cant vlog
or have ti ask everyone to break the law and trust me I wont sue you
later.  :-P


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Re: [videoblogging] Creative Commons, 10 day window

[Markus Sandy]

robert a/k/a r wrote:

>Alert: An UNCOOL sword is dangling a bit close however, the IRS demands 
>proof of public support for CC.
>
>Bottom line, CC has a very short window to prove "public support" to 
>the IRS, Lessig (and all of us who release under CC) request support, 
>please click a few bucks over to CC NOW.
>
>  
>

first, i *don't* think it is "UNCOOL" that a non-profit corporation has 
to establish itself as publicly supported in a reasonable amount of time 
in order to keep it's NP status (note this is about status, not 
continued existence; although Lessig claims it is essential).

second, i think the question arises as to if and how we should pull 
together and help out one single organization with so much money?
maybe we should be asking some hard questions here. 
who is most worthy of our limited support? 
who can we best help those who need it.

CC wants $125K more (Lessig says less than $100K, but i am going by the 
CC page) to reach their $250K goal
If I recall, ourmedia needs $5K to move it's servers
EchoChamber needs developer $ for enhancements to drupal/ourmedia that 
allow for collaborative tagging and editing
someone needs to organize vloggercon and that takes people's time and $
individual vloggers are asking for support too (how many paypal buttons 
have you pressed this year?)
these are examples, please pardon me if I left out your favorite

Another hard question: what are folks who ask for support intending to 
do with it and what are there other project plans?
Frankly, I appreciate much of what CC is doing
however, i do not feel that they are offering much bang for our buck 
when compared to others

Finally, let's not confuse CC licenses with the works they license. 
CC is not responsible for all the great "CC" content that is out there
we are

i do appreciate their services, but I question their needs over others

markus


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Re: [videoblogging] Creative Commons, 10 day window

[Harold Johnson]

This is *extremely* important, everyone -- I hope we can show our support, in any way we can afford.  Fact is, we can't afford to live in the copyrighted world without CC licensing.Podcaster Herald
http://podcasterherald.comproducing via CC licensingOn 12/22/05, robert a/k/a r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:



Hey all (apologies in advance for the crosspost)


A lot of us release works under Creative Commons licenses, which is a 
cool thing.

Alert: An UNCOOL sword is dangling a bit close however, the IRS demands 
proof of public support for CC.

Bottom line, CC has a very short window to prove "public support" to 
the IRS, Lessig (and all of us who release under CC) request support, 
please click a few bucks over to CC NOW.

If you read nothing else today, read Lessig's message, then make a 
contribution:




***And if you are a business (i.e., aggregator, video hosting, etc.) 
benefiting from those who release under CC licenses, please forward 
this message to your CEO and make him/her aware, the deadline is 10 
days!



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