Re: [videoblogging] Re: Denver Now Discussing Free Speech Public Safety Issues For DNC
Hi everyone: On 6/12/07, Roxanne Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While the intent to try to control or prevent those who would be violent may be laudable and I understand your desire to police from within (something most other groups like doctors and lawyers find impossible to do), I think the actual attempts will be fraught with trouble. We cannot control other people. We can influence them. It creates a sticky wicket for the peace-able among us. And so I would encourage you to get your message out there as loud as possible and attract as many people to your point of view as possible, and be able to perhaps demonstrate by the numbers, that the majority of new media or the voters or the videobloggers are committed to nonviolence or whatever. (Are we? I don't know actually.) Any time any of us attempt to speak for or restrain the acts of others without their express buy on, then we are simply doing the same things we reject when others attempt to do that to us. It's one of those one way streets that makes sense when you go down it forward, but really doesn't makes sense when you turn around and look at it from the other direction. You meanwhile have a passion and a vehicle and go to town with it and see what happens! Well I have just posted an audio podcast which goes into the point I'm trying to make (Expressing emotion and passion via text has NEVER been my forte' if you can tell :) ). The podcast is at http://thepcradioshow.blogspot.com/2007/06/pat-cook-show-episode-09.html (Permalink). Once you download it, cue it up to the 34 minute mark. My comments will go pretty much to the end. The topic was also brought up on my TV show last week, though it will be posted shortly. I'll follow up with info on how and where you can catch that as soon as it's posted. :) Cheers :D -- Pat Cook Denver, Colorado BLOGS PODCASTS - AS MY WACKED OUT WORLD TURNS - http://pchamster.livejournal.com/ PAT'S REAL DEAL VIDEO BLOG - http://patsrealdeal.livejournal.com/ PAT'S hEALTH MEDICAL WONDERS VIDEOCAST - http://patshealthmedicalwondersvideocast.blogspot.com/ YOUTUBE CHANNEL - http://www.youtube.com/amwowttv/ THE PAT COOK SHOW - http://www.livevideo.com/thepcshow THE PAT COOK SHOW (Blogger Page) - http://thepctvshow.blogspot.com/ THE PAT COOK SHOW (Audio Podcast) - http://thepcradioshow.blogspot.com/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Denver Now Discussing Free Speech Public Safety Issues For DNC
Hi everyone: On 6/16/07, Patrick Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I have just posted an audio podcast which goes into the point I'm trying to make (Expressing emotion and passion via text has NEVER been my forte' if you can tell :) ). The podcast is at http://thepcradioshow.blogspot.com/2007/06/pat-cook-show-episode-09.html (Permalink). Once you download it, cue it up to the 34 minute mark. My comments will go pretty much to the end. The topic was also brought up on my TV show last week, though it will be posted shortly. I'll follow up with info on how and where you can catch that as soon as it's posted. :) The video has just been posted. It is at http://thepctvshow.blogspot.com/2007/06/pat-cook-show-episode-04.html (Permalink). The video leads off with the group I mentioned in my radio show which aired the following Wednesday that's trying to recreate Chicago 1968, but after that, go to the 23 minute mark as that's where I make my point in earnest, though I sorta lead up to it throughout. Figured you would wanna know. :D Cheers :D -- Pat Cook Denver, Colorado BLOGS PODCASTS - AS MY WACKED OUT WORLD TURNS - http://pchamster.livejournal.com/ PAT'S REAL DEAL VIDEO BLOG - http://patsrealdeal.livejournal.com/ PAT'S hEALTH MEDICAL WONDERS VIDEOCAST - http://patshealthmedicalwondersvideocast.blogspot.com/ YOUTUBE CHANNEL - http://www.youtube.com/amwowttv/ THE PAT COOK SHOW - http://www.livevideo.com/thepcshow THE PAT COOK SHOW (Blogger Page) - http://thepctvshow.blogspot.com/ THE PAT COOK SHOW (Audio Podcast) - http://thepcradioshow.blogspot.com/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Denver Now Discussing Free Speech Public Safety Issues For DNC
Hi everyone: On 6/11/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im sure many people consider that violence is in itself the strongest form of bad publicity. Yes and we need to turn the tables back onto them. In other words, expose their violent ways and plans so they can be dealt with by proper authorities BEFORE they strike next year. There are those who genuinely believe in a cause but resort to actions that hamper the cause. And there are those who are just plain STUPID enough to not see any other way which DOES NOT hamper the cause. There is also the concept of the Agent Provocateurs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur The state, as the only entity which has 'the legitimate right to commit violence', finds it rather easy to deal with opponents who resort to violence, it makes it so easy to crush and discredit the opponents. Unfortunately it is this viewpoint which the mainstream public sees since it's been proven time and time again to the mainstream public that activists, no matter how well-intended they are, simply CANNOT be a sustained self-policing community. (Note when I say they, I refer to the mainstream public's view of us political activists) This image has to be changed. I dunno how. But we've got to start somewhere. And if it means using the power of the Internet and our blogs/videoblogs/podcasts, then I say SO BE IT. We've got to DO SOMETHING peoples. And the DNC next year right here in Denver is a good time to prove that political activism CAN be achieved WITHOUT seeing the city get turned upside down and inside out on national, if not international, television. We can't really do anything about suicide bombers and other terrorists wanting to cause harm, but we can take care of our own so the police can concern themselves with the suicide bombers and other terrorists WITHOUT having to worry about what we'll do too. Just my opinion... -- Pat Cook Denver, Colorado WEBSITES - AS MY WACKED OUT WORLD TURNS - http://pchamster.livejournal.com/ PAT'S REAL DEAL VIDEO BLOG - http://patsrealdeal.livejournal.com/ Pat's Health Medical Wonders VideoCast - http://patshealthmedicalwondersvideocast.blogspot.com/ MY LIVE CAM - http://patscam.camstreams.com/ YouTube Channel - http://www.youtube.com/amwowttv/ THE PAT COOK SHOW - http://www.livevideo.com/thepatcookshow
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Denver Now Discussing Free Speech Public Safety Issues For DNC
Hi everyone: On 6/11/07, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The right to freedom of speech is non-negotiable. It can't be withheld due to the potential threat of violence. Ohh?? So does that mean that people shouldn't be allowed to commute to and from work and home in Downtown Denver because the place where the convention will be housed is ALSO in Downtown Denver (Along with the many free speech areas)? One of the local city council members took the approach that one's right to commute to and from work and home is non-negotiable too. It may not be in the Constitution or any other legal document, but people shouldn't be FORCED TO TEMPORARILY RELOCATE or take time off from work just so a bunch of people can excercise their right to free speech while a bunch of other people turn the city upside down and inside out on national, if not international, television. And you know something? He's got a valid point. People SHOULD NOT have to temporarily relocate or take time off from work just so a bunch of people can excercise their right to free speech while a bunch of other people turn the city upside down and inside out on national, if not international, television. It's just not right. How would YOU like it if you had to put your life on hold because of this? You probably wouldn't like it too well, would you? There's got to be a common ground. It's there alright. It's just a process of finding it. I have and continue to have serious disagreements with the policies of the current administration. To some in this country that in and of itself is act of treason. I'm not an anarchist. I would not and will not condone any acts of destruction of personal or private property. Hey, I'm with you 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000% (If not more). :) By the criteria you present my presence at the convention would be disallowed. I cannot be an agent to assist in political profiling of citizens based on group affiliation. If you have no intention of breaking the law, why would you fear being, as you put it, disallowed? I appreciate the problems Denver will have concerning public safety. It will not be easy to balance the rights of citizens with the multiplicity of people who want to do harm, both foreign and domestic. I am only speaking for myself here. I don't believe using a blog/vlog to prevent another person's from expressing their political freedom of speech or to address concerns to their government is appropriate. Okay. What do you think IS an appropriate medium or method to accomplish this? Challenge, yes. Dispute? You Betcha. Profile and prevent other expression based on political affiliation? No. Well then, consider it a challenge. A challenge for the groups to explain their intentions in case they've somehow been misinterpreted. If the groups can't explain themselves, then I guess the original interpretation will just have to stand on their own merits (Whatever they're worth), now will they? Cheers :D -- Pat Cook Denver, Colorado WEBSITES - AS MY WACKED OUT WORLD TURNS - http://pchamster.livejournal.com/ PAT'S REAL DEAL VIDEO BLOG - http://patsrealdeal.livejournal.com/ Pat's Health Medical Wonders VideoCast - http://patshealthmedicalwondersvideocast.blogspot.com/ MY LIVE CAM - http://patscam.camstreams.com/ YouTube Channel - http://www.youtube.com/amwowttv/ THE PAT COOK SHOW - http://www.livevideo.com/thepatcookshow
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Denver Now Discussing Free Speech Public Safety Issues For DNC
While the intent to try to control or prevent those who would be violent may be laudable and I understand your desire to police from within (something most other groups like doctors and lawyers find impossible to do), I think the actual attempts will be fraught with trouble. We cannot control other people. We can influence them. It creates a sticky wicket for the peace-able among us. And so I would encourage you to get your message out there as loud as possible and attract as many people to your point of view as possible, and be able to perhaps demonstrate by the numbers, that the majority of new media or the voters or the videobloggers are committed to nonviolence or whatever. (Are we? I don't know actually.) Any time any of us attempt to speak for or restrain the acts of others without their express buy on, then we are simply doing the same things we reject when others attempt to do that to us. It's one of those one way streets that makes sense when you go down it forward, but really doesn't makes sense when you turn around and look at it from the other direction. You meanwhile have a passion and a vehicle and go to town with it and see what happens! Aloha, Rox On 6/12/07, Patrick Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone: On 6/11/07, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The right to freedom of speech is non-negotiable. It can't be withheld due to the potential threat of violence. Ohh?? So does that mean that people shouldn't be allowed to commute to and from work and home in Downtown Denver because the place where the convention will be housed is ALSO in Downtown Denver (Along with the many free speech areas)? One of the local city council members took the approach that one's right to commute to and from work and home is non-negotiable too. It may not be in the Constitution or any other legal document, but people shouldn't be FORCED TO TEMPORARILY RELOCATE or take time off from work just so a bunch of people can excercise their right to free speech while a bunch of other people turn the city upside down and inside out on national, if not international, television. And you know something? He's got a valid point. People SHOULD NOT have to temporarily relocate or take time off from work just so a bunch of people can excercise their right to free speech while a bunch of other people turn the city upside down and inside out on national, if not international, television. It's just not right. How would YOU like it if you had to put your life on hold because of this? You probably wouldn't like it too well, would you? There's got to be a common ground. It's there alright. It's just a process of finding it. I have and continue to have serious disagreements with the policies of the current administration. To some in this country that in and of itself is act of treason. I'm not an anarchist. I would not and will not condone any acts of destruction of personal or private property. Hey, I'm with you 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000% (If not more). :) By the criteria you present my presence at the convention would be disallowed. I cannot be an agent to assist in political profiling of citizens based on group affiliation. If you have no intention of breaking the law, why would you fear being, as you put it, disallowed? I appreciate the problems Denver will have concerning public safety. It will not be easy to balance the rights of citizens with the multiplicity of people who want to do harm, both foreign and domestic. I am only speaking for myself here. I don't believe using a blog/vlog to prevent another person's from expressing their political freedom of speech or to address concerns to their government is appropriate. Okay. What do you think IS an appropriate medium or method to accomplish this? Challenge, yes. Dispute? You Betcha. Profile and prevent other expression based on political affiliation? No. Well then, consider it a challenge. A challenge for the groups to explain their intentions in case they've somehow been misinterpreted. If the groups can't explain themselves, then I guess the original interpretation will just have to stand on their own merits (Whatever they're worth), now will they? Cheers :D -- Pat Cook Denver, Colorado WEBSITES - AS MY WACKED OUT WORLD TURNS - http://pchamster.livejournal.com/ PAT'S REAL DEAL VIDEO BLOG - http://patsrealdeal.livejournal.com/ Pat's Health Medical Wonders VideoCast - http://patshealthmedicalwondersvideocast.blogspot.com/ MY LIVE CAM - http://patscam.camstreams.com/ YouTube Channel - http://www.youtube.com/amwowttv/ THE PAT COOK SHOW - http://www.livevideo.com/thepatcookshow -- Roxanne Darling o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian 808-384-5554 http://www.twitter.com/roxannedarling http://www.beachwalks.tv http://www.barefeetshop.com http://www.barefeetstudios.com
