RE: [videoblogging] Re: Videomaker's Vidcaster.Net - Seen but not Seen

[Jake Ludington]

 
> I'm not angry at the guy. But it does say a lot about how one group
> will do the figuring out and others come by to adapt and appropriate.
> It is capitalism 101. Not saying it is good or bad.

Except for the RSS enclosure piece, everyone on this list is treading the
same ground that guys like Ben Waggoner broke a decade ago. Only it's a
whole lot easier now because those people came up with "save to ipod" type
compression recipes which helped drive adoption of the technologies and
reduce prices across the board. Thanks to evolutionary steps in video
editing software, the "little guy" is now able to get pro level video
editing software for next to nothing.

I'm not discounting the importance of what's been done here, because
certainly the methodologies of low cost distribution and simplifying video
editing for a new group of video enthusiasts is massive. To ignore those
that came before in the online video space is to ignore a great deal of the
history. 

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Videomaker's Vidcaster.Net - Seen but not Seen

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Gena wrote:
> I'm not angry at the guy. But it does say a lot about how one group
> will do the figuring out and others come by to adapt and appropriate.
> It is capitalism 101. Not saying it is good or bad. 

I can honestly say that sometimes I get really sick of always being in 
the first group, and never in the second...

"Pioneers get the arrows, settlers get the land"

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RE: [videoblogging] Re: Videomaker's Vidcaster.Net - Seen but not Seen

[Jake Ludington]

In the NerdTV 
Show #6 Interview with Dave Winer, http://www.pbs.org/cringely/nerdtv/shows/ ,
Dave talks about how Netscape first took his idea of RSS and didn't compeletely
implement it and then Dave released a new, better version with his features
added to  Netscapes' implementation that became the standard.  It's
the third or fourth guy that often becomes the standard.

What exactly is being innovated that
no one is getting credit for? Distribution format? Compression standards? The
idea of a recurring show? I guess I’m unclear what’s being usurped by
the capitalists who aren’t giving credit? And that I know of, no one
submitted a white paper or thesis as a standard for video blogging that could
be co-opted by someone else.

 

Did I miss something? J

 

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Videomaker's Vidcaster.Net - Seen but not Seen

[Pete Prodoehl]

Jake Ludington wrote:
> In the NerdTV    Show #6
> Interview with Dave Winer, http://www.pbs.org/cringely/nerdtv/shows/ , Dave
> talks about how Netscape first took his idea of RSS and didn't compeletely
> implement it and then Dave released a new, better version with his features
> added to  Netscapes' implementation that became the standard.  It's the
> third or fourth guy that often becomes the standard.
> 
> What exactly is being innovated that no one is getting credit for?
> Distribution format? Compression standards? The idea of a recurring show? I
> guess I'm unclear what's being usurped by the capitalists who aren't giving
> credit? And that I know of, no one submitted a white paper or thesis as a
> standard for video blogging that could be co-opted by someone else.
> 
> Did I miss something? :-)

It hasn't happened to videoblogging yet. It will.

(See Also: podcasting, blogging, etc...)

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RE: [videoblogging] Re: Videomaker's Vidcaster.Net - Seen but not Seen

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> It hasn't happened to videoblogging yet. It will.

But what will happen? What exactly will get co-opted from Video Blogging
that didn't originate somewhere else?

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Videomaker's Vidcaster.Net - Seen but not Seen

[Pete Prodoehl]

Jake Ludington wrote:
>  
>>It hasn't happened to videoblogging yet. It will.
> 
> But what will happen? What exactly will get co-opted from Video Blogging
> that didn't originate somewhere else?

What will happen is that videoblogging will change from being a nice 
friendly little community we are used to seeing here, into one where 
people treat it like a competition for viewers, become obsessed with 
stats and popularity, insult other videobloggers, find ways to make 
money without giving anything back to the community, see only dollar 
signs when the term 'videoblogging' is used, and so on...

Do you think this won't happen? Or something completely different will 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Videomaker's Vidcaster.Net - Seen but not Seen

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On Nov 1, 2005, at 3:55 PM, Pete Prodoehl wrote:

> What will happen is that videoblogging will change from being a nice
> friendly little community we are used to seeing here, into one where
> people treat it like a competition for viewers, become obsessed with
> stats and popularity, insult other videobloggers, find ways to make
> money without giving anything back to the community, see only dollar
> signs when the term 'videoblogging' is used, and so on...
>
> Do you think this won't happen? Or something completely different will
> happen?

Correct. It's human nature to want attention/popularity. Nothing to see 
here, move on.

RE making money, it's already a given, look at how much effort is being 
made to make tools to raise funds to make better tools and presumably 
to pocket some money along the way. But BFD. It's noise, at the end of 
the day there will be tools, either open source or privately funded, 
probably both. It's how the tools are used that matters.

RE giving back to the community, are we talking about specifically the 
videoblogging community or society in general? I would hope none of us 
would be so selfish to want credit/rewards to accrue to the an 
individual or even the videoblogging group. IMHO, the reward (if the 
stars align correctly) will be the social change.



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RE: [videoblogging] Re: Videomaker's Vidcaster.Net - Seen but not Seen

[Jake Ludington]

 
> What will happen is that videoblogging will change from being a nice
> friendly little community we are used to seeing here, into one where
> people treat it like a competition for viewers, become obsessed with
> stats and popularity, insult other videobloggers, find ways to make
> money without giving anything back to the community, see only dollar
> signs when the term 'videoblogging' is used, and so on...
> 
> Do you think this won't happen? Or something completely different will
> happen?

There's no reason you can't and won't have both. If metrics, money and
competition don't matter to you, avoid them. Just because some people will
start video blogging and deriving revenue from it is no reason other video
bloggers (those on this list) can't have a community that nurtures the needs
of the community. 

In the context this whole thread started, Videomaker Magazine getting into
video blogging, it's hard to argue whether what Videomaker ultimately does
is giving back to the community or not. Giving back to this discussion list
community, maybe not. Giving back to the people who benefit from information
in Videomaker, probably. While magazines certainly exist to generate profits
from advertising, the people who write for them are often very giving of
time and expertise in a number of communities.

In the context of companies who use video blogging to further their cause
without giving anything back to the video blogging community; Microsoft
already does that with Channel 9. The upside of Channel 9 to Microsoft the
corporate entity is creating a warm fuzzy feeling about Microsoft, which
doesn't offer definable monetary value, but is worth money. 

Channel 9, as one of the most highly visible video blogging efforts, doesn't
point to a single place in the Microsoft or MSDN.com worlds where they show
you how to create your own Channel 9. It's almost impossible to find out any
information directly related to video blogging using IIS, ASP, MSSQL, etc.
even though it would be beneficial to Microsoft to provide this information,
considering Channel 9 is powered entirely by MS technologies. Most of the
solutions for creating video blogs are associated with using QuickTime in
some way (yes, I know about the screencasts on using Windows Movie Maker). 

This may seem trivial to a group made up primarily of Mac users and Linux
hosting accounts, but the reality is many of the companies who will do video
blogging long term use Microsoft server products. These people will use only
small bits of any community effort here because their needs aren't addressed
by this group. 

At the same time, the people who create the interviews at Channel 9, like
Robert Scoble, Beth Goza. and I think now Michael Lehman is also part of the
team, all have given back to online community (if not this one specifically)
in various ways over time and will likely continue to do so indefinitely.

The only possible risk to video blogging that any effort to commercialize
some aspects of it might present is the possibility for apps like iTunes (or
Windows Media Player, if Microsoft ever gets their act together) to lockout
the little guy.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Videomaker's Vidcaster.Net - Seen but not Seen

[Deirdre Straughan]

On 11/1/05, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What will happen is that videoblogging will change from being a nicefriendly little community we are used to seeing here, into one wherepeople treat it like a competition for viewers, become obsessed with
stats and popularity, insult other videobloggers, find ways to makemoney without giving anything back to the community, see only dollarsigns when the term 'videoblogging' is used, and so on...Do you think this won't happen? Or something completely different will
happen?

LOL. Seems to me it has already happened, as it was bound to. A
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Videomaker's Vidcaster.Net - Seen but not Seen

[Pete Prodoehl]

Deirdre Straughan wrote:
> On 11/1/05, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>What will happen is that videoblogging will change from being a nice
>>friendly little community we are used to seeing here, into one where
>>people treat it like a competition for viewers, become obsessed with
>>stats and popularity, insult other videobloggers, find ways to make
>>money without giving anything back to the community, see only dollar
>>signs when the term 'videoblogging' is used, and so on...
>>
>>Do you think this won't happen? Or something completely different will
>>happen?


> LOL. Seems to me it has already happened, as it was bound to. A technology
> can either be a big success or can be a nice little community - not both at
> the same time.

Please define "big success" as the term may have different meanings to 
different people.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Videomaker's Vidcaster.Net - Seen but not Seen

[Pete Prodoehl]

Jake Ludington wrote:
> 
> In the context of companies who use video blogging to further their cause
> without giving anything back to the video blogging community; Microsoft
> already does that with Channel 9. The upside of Channel 9 to Microsoft the
> corporate entity is creating a warm fuzzy feeling about Microsoft, which
> doesn't offer definable monetary value, but is worth money. 
> 
> Channel 9, as one of the most highly visible video blogging efforts, doesn't
> point to a single place in the Microsoft or MSDN.com worlds where they show
> you how to create your own Channel 9. It's almost impossible to find out any
> information directly related to video blogging using IIS, ASP, MSSQL, etc.
> even though it would be beneficial to Microsoft to provide this information,
> considering Channel 9 is powered entirely by MS technologies. Most of the
> solutions for creating video blogs are associated with using QuickTime in
> some way (yes, I know about the screencasts on using Windows Movie Maker). 

Ah yes, Microsoft... A perfect example. The folks at Channel 9 make a 
big deal about how they're just a few guys with cheap video cameras. 
Their goal of creating a warm fuzzy feeling about Microsoft is great, 
I'm sure some people even buy into it, but it would be cool to see them 
promote videoblogging as something any Windows user can do, and provide 
all the information that Freevlog does, aimed towards Windows users. I'd 
consider that giving back to the community.


> This may seem trivial to a group made up primarily of Mac users and Linux
> hosting accounts, but the reality is many of the companies who will do video
> blogging long term use Microsoft server products. These people will use only
> small bits of any community effort here because their needs aren't addressed
> by this group. 

Companies still use servers running Windows!? ;)


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Videomaker's Vidcaster.Net - Seen but not Seen

[Deirdre Straughan]

On 11/2/05, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> LOL. Seems to me it has already happened, as it was bound to. A technology> can either be a big success or can be a nice little community - not both at> the same time.Please define "big success" as the term may have different meanings to
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Videomaker's Vidcaster.Net - Seen but not Seen

[Pete Prodoehl]

Deirdre Straughan wrote:
> On 11/2/05, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>>LOL. Seems to me it has already happened, as it was bound to. A
>>technology
>>>can either be a big success or can be a nice little community - not both
>>at the same time.

>>Please define "big success" as the term may have different meanings to
>>different people.

> Used by millions of people worldwide. Whether anyone is making money off it
> or not is immaterial (to me, anyway).

Ok... We definitely have different definitions of "big success" then.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Videomaker's Vidcaster.Net - Seen but not Seen

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On Nov 1, 2005, at 2:55 PM, Pete Prodoehl wrote:

> What will happen is that videoblogging will change from being a nice
> friendly little community we are used to seeing here, into one where
> people treat it like a competition for viewers, become obsessed with
> stats and popularity, insult other videobloggers, find ways to make
> money without giving anything back to the community, see only dollar
> signs when the term 'videoblogging' is used, and so on...
>
> Do you think this won't happen? Or something completely different will
> happen?

I don't know anymore.  I thought things were changing for the worse  
this past summer but that seems not to have taken hold.  The size of  
this group has about tripled since then.  I did some quick checking:
Group started May 31, 2004
I joined the group about mid November 2004 - about 125 members as  
best as I can remember.
May 31, 2005 - one year anniversary - 550 members
Oct 31, 2005 - 17 months - 1500+ members

It seems to me we still have a pretty nice group here.  We've had a  
number of, I think, really interesting and productive discussions  
lately.  But looking ahead I can see that we could easily just keep  
growing and be a nice community of about 10,000 in a year or we could  
explode on our way to 100,000.  I'm sure whatever happens won't be  
either of those which is why I'm not interested in going to Vegas.

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RE: [videoblogging] Re: Videomaker's Vidcaster.Net - Seen but not Seen

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LOL. Seems to me it has already happened, as it was bound to. A technology can
either be a big success or can be a nice little community - not both at the
same time.


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communities, people do. It’s up to the people in a community whether they
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Videomaker's Vidcaster.Net - Seen but not Seen

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On 11/2/05, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Please define "big success" as the term may have different meanings to>>different people.> Used by millions of people worldwide. Whether anyone is making money off it> or not is immaterial (to me, anyway).
Ok... We definitely have different definitions of "big success" then.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Videomaker's Vidcaster.Net - Seen but not Seen

[Deirdre Straughan]

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LOL. Seems to me it has already happened, as it was bound to. A technology can
either be a big success or can be a nice little community - not both at the
same time.


Technologies don't create
communities, people do. It's up to the people in a community whether they
nurture it through changes or abandon the community for something else.

Okay, let's try for more precise phrasing:

A technology can be a big success (used by millions of people
worldwide, for many different purposes) OR it can continue to "belong"
to a founding community of leading-edge users/creators who continue to
exert a great deal of influence over how it is used and perceived.

These two scenarios are mutually exclusive. This group was founded by
Jay in an effort to get the word out and show people how they could
distribute their own videos online. That effort has been wonderfully
successful, and thousands of people, companies, organizations, and
governments are jumping on the bandwagon. Some of the uses they are
finding for the technology may not sit well with the "founding parents"
of videoblogging but, hey, we don't own videoblogging (hell, we can't
even agree on what it is ).The founding community can
continue to exist among the millions, other communities will spring up
and have already done so. Some will abandon this community for others
more focused on their particular interests. That's also natural.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Videomaker's Vidcaster.Net - Seen but not Seen

[Pete Prodoehl]

Deirdre Straughan wrote:
> On 11/2/05, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
Please define "big success" as the term may have different meanings to
different people.
>>
>>>Used by millions of people worldwide. Whether anyone is making money off
>>it or not is immaterial (to me, anyway).
>>
>>Ok... We definitely have different definitions of "big success" then.
> 
> 
> That begs the questin: what's your definition?

Definition of "big success"? Hmmm, well I guess where typically people 
consider something successful when it's big, well-known, makes money, 
etc. I think I consider something successful when it reaches it's goals 
- of course, what are the goals? For my own work, I think I'm more 
concerned about being happy with the work I do. That's me of course, 
others will consider something successful when it makes them a boatload 
of money.

I fit into the camp that would rather have 10 people see my stuff and 
get excited about it and comment on it than 100 people who just casually 
watch and don't interact with it.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Videomaker's Vidcaster.Net - Seen but not Seen

[Deirdre Straughan]

Ah, I see where the confusion comes in. I was talking about the success
of videoblogging in general as a technology/technique/medium - not
anyone's specific videoblog, let alone my own! Success for any
individual's vlog is best defined by that person, of course!-- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Videomaker's Vidcaster.Net - Seen but not Seen

[Pete Prodoehl]

Deirdre Straughan wrote:
> Ah, I see where the confusion comes in. I was talking about the success of
> videoblogging in general as a technology/technique/medium - not anyone's
> specific videoblog, let alone my own! Success for any individual's vlog is
> best defined by that person, of course!

Now we get it. ;)

Yeah, as far as videoblogging being "successful" I suppose we'd consider 
it so when it's drop-dead easy for people to do (create and watch) and 
the term "videoblogging" is widely known and understood.

Does that sound right?

I think this is what Blogger did for weblogs, made it easy for *anyone* 
to start a blog, and helped cement the word "blog" into people's minds.


Pete

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