Re: [videoblogging] Veoh's next step

[WWWhatsup]

No I don't think it works that way.

If you look, f'rinstance, at Ryanne's thing on 
http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e55696wg9YwjDy
you'll see he has 1 subscriber.

That would be the person who submitted the feed, so that their VEOH client 
would automatically
download it as and when the RSS updates..

Only Ryanne has the option to add an identifier to his feed and thus claim 
ownership
of the feed and customize it as he sees fit, deleting episodes, or, I presume,
blocking it entirely, if he should wish to.

I think the omission of permalink URL's etc is more likely down to VEOH 
focusing on
the video and P2P distro aspects. In most TV applications the video content
speaks for itself.   They do give the associated text. I am sure they'll fix 
this. 

I took the trouble to claim my feed. You'll notice looking at the details
http://veoh.com/seriesDetails.html?s=s2644
that it links to my info, another page that has my URL etc. And that also I 
take the trouble
to include the permalinks in the associated text.

I think the 'unclaimed feature' is intrinsic to the secondary VEOH concept of
an aggregator that enables P2P propagation, but since that arrived after their
primary concept of direct video publishing via P2P,  they haven't thought
through all the issues, perhaps. Adding the ability for users to subscribe to 
3rd party
RSS feeds was an afterthought..

Then, with the rise of YouTube etc, they have scrambled to provide similar flv 
functionality for their publishers.

joly



At 04:46 PM 4/8/2006, you wrote:
>hi joly,
>
>if you upload a feed to Veoh, it is my understanding that the feed will fall 
>under the name of the user submitting the feed. it will be "claimed" by them. 
>unclaimed feeds have gotten into the system through means of automation. 
>that's why they are not affiliated with any Veoh user. instead of a user name, 
>you see the name of the vlog (eg: kitykity's vlog) or hosting service the feed 
>was taken from. i doubt there is a user on Veoh called blip.tv.
>
>i like the idea of being able to make and distribute large files via a service 
>like Veoh. that's great. i don't like the unclaimed feed "feature".
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Re: [videoblogging] Veoh's next step

[Anne Walk]

hi joly,if you upload a feed to Veoh, it is my understanding that the feed will fall under the name of the user submitting the feed. it will be "claimed" by them. unclaimed feeds have gotten into the system through means of automation. that's why they are not affiliated with any Veoh user. instead of a user name, you see the name of the vlog (eg: kitykity's vlog) or hosting service the feed was taken from. i doubt there is a user on Veoh called 
blip.tv.i like the idea of being able to make and distribute large files via a service like Veoh. that's great. i don't like the unclaimed feed "feature".
On 4/8/06, WWWhatsup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>My guess is that Dmitry didn't say anything about spidering for preciselyone reason, VEOH does not actually do any spidering.What they do is allow anyone to sign up and submit any RSS feed they
fancy to their network, which will then proceed to distributethat to them, and to any other members of their network via P2P,to be played back in the VEOH viewer.Kind of like a networked aggregator if you will.
I don't think they are 'grabbing' videos any more than say, fireant, isvia its cumulative user base.  The difference is that they actuallyhelp distro the vids.So, unlike fireant, say, one can ramp up one's viewership without
taking a bandwidth hit.A pretty good wheeze and a valuable one to the vidcasting community.Their latest innovation is to supply partial flv previews on their site.That's the only transcoding going on, the files distributed via P2P are those
from the RSS enclosures.The thing is still very much beta, and a lot of loose ends, social andtechnical, remain to be tied up.They are investing money and effort in our medium, and I think their support
should be graciously accepted, and problems dealt with by communicationnot castigation.joly>> The answer, to me, is to stop spidering and remove any and all unclaimed>> feeds. And to not do it again.
>> If people want to become a member of the Veoh community, they can choose to.>>undertsood.>so i will be interested in seeing what Veoh wil do next.>lets just make sure we dont become mobrule here.
>has Dmitry said they would take down everything they have currently spidered?>is there any precedent for a service grabbing videos?>>Jay>-->Adventures in Videoblogging
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Re: [videoblogging] Veoh's next step

[Charles HOPE]

WWWhatsup wrote:

  
>
  
My guess is that Dmitry didn't say anything about spidering for
precisely
one reason, VEOH does not actually do any spidering.
  
  

Are you saying that somebody sat down and entered in all the zillions
of feeds that they have listed here?  I think it's pretty clear that
they are using some sort of spidered automation.


  
A pretty good wheeze and a valuable one to the vidcasting community.
  

Judging from the community's reaction, I'd question the value of the
service. Wouldn't you?




  




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Veoh's next step

[Josh Wolf]

This is beginning to seem almost reminiscent of the "Blogumentary"  
episode that transpired a few months ago. This is quite the  
reactionary group, and history has demonstrated that when this group  
is united around a particular, results are definitely within the  
realm of possibility. Now, the power of people in numbers is  
something I'm certainly down with, but let's attempt to look at this  
from Veoh's perspective as well.

Veoh needs content so they've decided to utilize a spider to do so, I  
don't know whether this spider results in pulling the video's from  
the HTML or if it's spidering RSS feeds. Assuming that it's spidering  
RSS feeds, it seems to me that they should set up a sort of moderated  
spider. Each feed that they've discovered and want to add should have  
a website instantiated for it with as much information as can be  
automatically filled in from the feed along with an activation link.  
Then, a staff member at Veoh can go through this list of pending  
feeds and reference the contact info on each of these sources and  
then send him or her an invitation which contains a link so that the  
user has a 1-click opt-in process available for them along with a  
personal (stock) invitation to participate in their network.

As Veoh is a for-profit service with terms of service associated with  
it, I don't believe that they can really get away with transcoding  
and re-hosting CC videos either. Further, let's be clear on one  
factor here -- they are not even allowing non-registered visitors to  
see the entire video, which means that Veoh is forcing viewers who  
stumble onto my, or any other videobloggers video, through their  
website to register on the site to even see the video which they are  
using without my permission in the first place.

Josh


On Apr 8, 2006, at 12:19 PM, Jay dedman wrote:

> On 4/8/06, Anne Walk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
>> I don't agree that adding obvious linkback is a solution because  
>> Veoh is a
>> social site with memberships, ratings, profiles, friends, etc. I  
>> do not like
>> the implication that I am a member of a community because my stuff  
>> was
>> spidered into it. Linking back may give a means to finding my site  
>> from
>> within the Veoh community but it does not remove that implication.
>>
>> The answer, to me, is to stop spidering and remove any and all  
>> unclaimed
>> feeds. And to not do it again.
>> If people want to become a member of the Veoh community, they can  
>> choose to.
>>
>
> undertsood.
> so i will be interested in seeing what Veoh wil do next.
> lets just make sure we dont become mobrule here.
> has Dmitry said they would take down everything they have currently  
> spidered?
> is there any precedent for a service grabbing videos?
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Re: [videoblogging] Veoh's next step

[Andreas Haugstrup]

On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:09:09 +0200, WWWhatsup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My guess is that Dmitry didn't say anything about spidering for precisely
> one reason, VEOH does not actually do any spidering.
>
> What they do is allow anyone to sign up and submit any RSS feed they
> fancy to their network, which will then proceed to distribute
> that to them, and to any other members of their network via P2P,
> to be played back in the VEOH viewer.

Or that's what they want you to think. Plausible denial... Just like Nixon.

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Re: [videoblogging] Veoh's next step

[WWWhatsup]

>

My guess is that Dmitry didn't say anything about spidering for precisely
one reason, VEOH does not actually do any spidering.

What they do is allow anyone to sign up and submit any RSS feed they
fancy to their network, which will then proceed to distribute
that to them, and to any other members of their network via P2P,
to be played back in the VEOH viewer.

Kind of like a networked aggregator if you will.

I don't think they are 'grabbing' videos any more than say, fireant, is
via its cumulative user base.  The difference is that they actually
help distro the vids.

So, unlike fireant, say, one can ramp up one's viewership without
taking a bandwidth hit. 

A pretty good wheeze and a valuable one to the vidcasting community.

Their latest innovation is to supply partial flv previews on their site.
That's the only transcoding going on, the files distributed via P2P are those
from the RSS enclosures.

The thing is still very much beta, and a lot of loose ends, social and
technical, remain to be tied up.

They are investing money and effort in our medium, and I think their support
should be graciously accepted, and problems dealt with by communication
not castigation.

joly




>> The answer, to me, is to stop spidering and remove any and all unclaimed
>> feeds. And to not do it again.
>> If people want to become a member of the Veoh community, they can choose to.
>
>undertsood.
>so i will be interested in seeing what Veoh wil do next.
>lets just make sure we dont become mobrule here.
>has Dmitry said they would take down everything they have currently spidered?
>is there any precedent for a service grabbing videos?
>
>Jay
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