Re: [Videolib] Out of the office

[Rick Faaberg]

On 9/29/10 9:02 PM, "cdesca...@injoyvideos.com" 
sent this:

> I am currently out of the office until September 5, 2010. If you need
> immediate assistance contact InJoy at (303) 447-2082 ext 2. Otherwise, I will
> reply to your message as soon as I return.
> Thank you,
> 
>  
> Carlos Descalzo

Awk! Somebody please unsub this nong-nong, okay?

Rick



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[Videolib] Out of the office

[cdescalzo]

Hello, 

I am currently out of the office until September 5, 2010. If you need 
immediate assistance contact InJoy at (303) 447-2082 ext 2. 
Otherwise, I will  reply to your message as soon as I return.   

Thank you,

 

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[Videolib] RFID Tags on Media

[Marilyn Nasserden]

  Dear collective wisdom,
Our Library is in the initial stages of implementing security for our 
print library collections with RFID tags.  I was asked today whether 
RFID tags would work with my media collections: VHS, DVDs, CDs, LPs, 
etc.  Does anyone have any experience on RFID tags and media to share?  
My initial reaction is "not a good idea" for similar reasons to not 
putting tattle tapes on media.  Do you think it would be at all 
effective to put RFID tags on the cases/covers only?  We don't currently 
have the lockable cases and our media collections will become browsable 
in the new library we're moving into during Winter term.
Marilyn
-- 

Marilyn Nasserden
Head, Fine Arts&  Visual Resources
Libraries and Cultural Resources
25 MacKimmie Library Block
University of Calgary
2500 University Drive NW
Calgary, Alberta, CANADA

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Re: [Videolib] Foreign Film rights

[Jessica Rosner]

Milestone, Magnolia Oscilloscope off the top of my head. There are also
places that own a few here and there such as Corinth, MPI, Olive ( which is
new) and a lot more.

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Jackson, Sandra F. wrote:

>  Hi, everyone.
>
>
>
> Someone from the list contacted me a while ago regarding companies UNCW has
> used to provide PPR for international films.  Unfortunately, we had a power
> outage that impacted my e-mail.  I was never able to retrieve the message,
> nor could I remember who sent it.  I decided to answer the question here, in
> hopes that the right person might find it.
> Naturally, we have used many US distributors who handle foreign films:
>  Swank, Criterion, IFC, Sony Pictures Classic, Palm Pictures, First Run
> Features, Music Box Films, Zeitgeist and Film Movement come to mind most
> readily, though I’m leaving a great number out, I’m sure.  I’m also planning
> to use Strand Releasing, as soon as they are ready to distribute Uncle
> Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives.  I have used a few companies that
> have since gone out of business. For Bollywood films, we have used Yash
> Raj.  I have just contacted UTV about the film Udaan and was quoted a very
> reasonable price.
>
> We have a French instructor who has secured PPR for a few French films
> through the French Embassy.  We have a  Portuguese instructor who secured
> films from Raccord Produções and PRODUÇÕES CINEMATOGRÁFICAS LC BARRETO.
> She also used Ondamax Films (Latin American Cinema Distribution) and City
> Lights Media Group.
>
>
>
> I hope this list is helpful, though it is not complete by any means.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sandra
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Sandra F. Jackson**
> **Film Program Coordinator **
> **Lumina Theater & Sharky's Box Office**
> *Department of Campus Life
> The University of North Carolina Wilmington
> Phone 910.962.7971  Fax: 910-962-7438
> jackso...@uncw.edu
> *http://www.uncw.edu/lumina***
>
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>
>
>
>
>
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[Videolib] Foreign Film rights

[Jackson, Sandra F.]

Hi, everyone.

Someone from the list contacted me a while ago regarding companies UNCW has 
used to provide PPR for international films.  Unfortunately, we had a power 
outage that impacted my e-mail.  I was never able to retrieve the message, nor 
could I remember who sent it.  I decided to answer the question here, in hopes 
that the right person might find it.
Naturally, we have used many US distributors who handle foreign films:  Swank, 
Criterion, IFC, Sony Pictures Classic, Palm Pictures, First Run Features, Music 
Box Films, Zeitgeist and Film Movement come to mind most readily, though I'm 
leaving a great number out, I'm sure.  I'm also planning to use Strand 
Releasing, as soon as they are ready to distribute Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall 
His Past Lives.  I have used a few companies that have since gone out of 
business.
For Bollywood films, we have used Yash Raj.  I have just contacted UTV about 
the film Udaan and was quoted a very reasonable price.
We have a French instructor who has secured PPR for a few French films through 
the French Embassy.  We have a  Portuguese instructor who secured films from 
Raccord Produções and PRODUÇÕES CINEMATOGRÁFICAS LC BARRETO.  She also used 
Ondamax Films (Latin American Cinema Distribution) and City Lights Media Group.

I hope this list is helpful, though it is not complete by any means.

Thanks,
Sandra






Sandra F. Jackson
Film Program Coordinator
Lumina Theater & Sharky's Box Office
Department of Campus Life
The University of North Carolina Wilmington
Phone 910.962.7971  Fax: 910-962-7438
jackso...@uncw.edu
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[Videolib] Keep Cool (film) - seeking a copy w/ English subtitles

[Catherine Michael]

Greetings, O Wise Video Masters:

We've looked around for a copy of Keep Cool (Zhang Yimou) with English  
subtitles & have come up empty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keep_Cool_(film)

You're my last hope, Videolib.  Know of any distributors?

Best,
Cathy

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Ithaca College Library
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[Videolib] Have you seen De Soto?

[scott spicer]

Hi Everyone,

We have a faculty member looking for the title, "Death March to De Soto" as
our copy is just about dead, at least audibly.  The catalog record says it
was released in 1998 - though I believe this is likely in fact the same
program originally broadcasted on The Learning Channel in 1993.  Assuming
they are the same, the producer was Arkios Productions and the title appears
to have only been released on VHS and distributed by Films, but no longer
available in their catalog per Films website and phone customer service
(Doug, can you confirm?).

Does anyone know where we might be able to secure a copy?  The faculty
member mentioned this title is vital to her class (and according to our
circ. history, several others!) and has resulted in spurring good quality
discussion - always a good thing!

Thanks,
Scott

-- 
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Media Outreach and Learning Spaces Librarian
University of Minnesota Libraries - Twin Cities
341 Walter Library
spic0...@umn.edu612.626.0629
Media Services: lib.umn.edu/media
SMART Learning Commons: smart.umn.edu
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[Videolib] can anyone tell me?

[Music Hunter]

Hi All,

Is there a similar list forum like this for compact discs?

Your search for sound & video ends here!

Jay Sonin, General Manager
Music Hunter Distributing Company
25-58 34th Street, Suite # 2
Astoria, NY 11103-4902
musichun...@nyc.rr.com
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[Videolib] Slighty OT but somewhat related to PD streaming discussion

[Jaeschke, Myles]

From the publib listserv…

Myles

From: publib-boun...@webjunction.org [mailto:publib-boun...@webjunction.org] On 
Behalf Of Minobe, Susan
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:23 AM
To: pub...@lists.lis.illinois.edu; pub...@webjunction.org
Subject: [Publib] Beware -- free enterprise

Selling what’s freely available…
“reprinting Wikipedia articles in paperback book form“

The culprits:   “Alphascript Publishing, Betascript Publishing, and Fastbook 
Publishing, apparently all subsidiaries of VDM Publishing House”

-Susan L. Minobe-

Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:54 PM
To: wes...@listserv.brown.edu
Subject: Fwd: Heads-Up re some new "books"
Here's an interesting note from a colleague here at the U of Minnesota 
Libraries.
GA

Colleagues,
This was a new one for me, so I thought it might be for others on the list.  We 
had a request for a new book on the African-American jazz pianist, Hank Jones,  
published by Alphascript.  But there is no entry for it yet in WorldCat.  So I 
checked Amazon.   Turns out that Alphascript Publishing, Betascript Publishing, 
and Fastbook Publishing, apparently all subsidiaries of VDM Publishing House, 
are in the business of reprinting Wikipedia articles in paperback book form.  
The cover images of these books are all similar, with a minimalist design and 
stock graphic image vaguely related to the subject matter (e.g., the 100-page 
Hank Jones “book” has a picture of a (white) person's hands playing the piano, 
while a book on the history of Ghana has two giraffes).  These "books" are  
available on Amazon alongside books that are actually authored, edited, and 
published by reputable publishing houses.  Clicking on the name of one of the 
“editors” of the Hank Jones books reveals that Frederic P. Miller has "edited" 
over 65,000 books. He's been a busy guy!
 We won’t be spending the $45 they are asking for this publication.  I thought 
you might appreciate a heads-up about this.  Caveat emptor! - Tim

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Re: [Videolib] Public Domain for sale???

[Jaeschke, Myles]

John,
I would agree with that aspect of it. If FMG is advertising a PD title from the 
"Prelinger archives" (which they clearly are) and Rick Prelinger is not aware 
of this then yes that is a problem.   And yes, first glance at the example 
given it appears that FMG is trying to capitalize on Prelinger's name and work 
in archiving PD titles which I too would take issue with if it is indeed true.  
 But I don't see a problem with a company trying to sell a PD title in any 
format as long as the entire content streamed is PD.  What would stop FMG or 
any other company for that matter  from removing said "wrappers" and  sell 
streaming access?
Best,
Myles
Tulsa City County Library
Media Collections

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of John Streepy
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:34 AM
To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu'
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Public Domain for sale???


I think it is a problem because, yes the item is in the public domain, but what 
ever wrapper Internet Archives has put on the item is not.  I assume Prelinger 
has put a Cretive Commons License on their additions, but they probably forbid 
"commericalization" of their product.  Because the stream lists Prelinger 
Archives in the URL a downloader could think that by purchasing it at Films 
they are supporting the Internet archives when they may not be.  My two cents.

jhs


John H. Streepy
Media Services Supervisor
Library-Media Circulation
James E. Brooks Library
Central Washington University
400 East University Way
Ellensburg, WA  98926-7548

(509) 963-2861
http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media

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All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"

Transitus profusum est nocens!




>>> "Jaeschke, Myles"  9/29/2010 8:50 AM >>>
Well PD films have been available in VHS and DVD for a long time and we all 
keep buying them. Why?  Because it's too much trouble for many of us to make a 
dub and have it on hand when it goes missing.

Yeah, streaming PD titles can be a bit different.  Prelinger films are always 
there (in theory) freely available to stream at archive.org.  I guess I just 
look at it as a "convenience" that FMG is selling.  No, I would not buy FMGs 
stream knowing that it was freely available legally elsewhere.

Companies have been selling PD titles for a long time what difference does it 
make what format it is in?

On the other hand you can look at it as a company taking advantage of someone 
that may not have knowledge that a title is available for free legally 
elsewhere.

Best,
Myles

-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of 
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:34 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Public Domain for sale???

Check out

http://films.com/id/17839/Prelinger_Archives_American_Thrift_Part_I_1962.htm

I have a note into Rick Prelinger, who may or may not be aware of this.  I
have huge respect for Rick, so I hope it's "not"

gary



> Can you forward some examples. J.
>
>
> Op 29-09-10 17:07, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
>  schreef:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Just came across something sort of odd.  I notice that Films Media is
>> selling streaming licenses for a number of public domain films that are
>> available absolutely free on the Internet Moving Image Archive.  This
>> doesn't seem right to me.
>>
>> Maybe our friends at Films.com can elaborate?
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> Gary Handman
>> Director
>> Media Resources Center
>> Moffitt Library
>> UC Berkeley
>>
>> 510-643-8566
>> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
>> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>>
>> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
>> --Francois Truffaut
>>
>>
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>> effective
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>> distributors.
>

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Re: [Videolib] Public Domain for sale???

[John Streepy]

I think it is a problem because, yes the item is in the public domain, but what 
ever wrapper Internet Archives has put on the item is not.  I assume Prelinger 
has put a Cretive Commons License on their additions, but they probably forbid 
"commericalization" of their product.  Because the stream lists Prelinger 
Archives in the URL a downloader could think that by purchasing it at Films 
they are supporting the Internet archives when they may not be.  My two cents. 
jhs


John H. Streepy
Media Services Supervisor
Library-Media Circulation
James E. Brooks Library
Central Washington University
400 East University Way
Ellensburg, WA  98926-7548

(509) 963-2861
http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media

"Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory.
All part of being a librarian" -- James Turner "Rex Libris"

Transitus profusum est nocens!




>>> "Jaeschke, Myles"  9/29/2010 8:50 AM >>>
Well PD films have been available in VHS and DVD for a long time and we all 
keep buying them. Why?  Because it's too much trouble for many of us to make a 
dub and have it on hand when it goes missing.

Yeah, streaming PD titles can be a bit different.  Prelinger films are always 
there (in theory) freely available to stream at archive.org.  I guess I just 
look at it as a "convenience" that FMG is selling.  No, I would not buy FMGs 
stream knowing that it was freely available legally elsewhere.

Companies have been selling PD titles for a long time what difference does it 
make what format it is in?

On the other hand you can look at it as a company taking advantage of someone 
that may not have knowledge that a title is available for free legally 
elsewhere.

Best,
Myles

-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of 
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:34 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Public Domain for sale???

Check out

http://films.com/id/17839/Prelinger_Archives_American_Thrift_Part_I_1962.htm

I have a note into Rick Prelinger, who may or may not be aware of this.  I
have huge respect for Rick, so I hope it's "not"

gary



> Can you forward some examples. J.
>
>
> Op 29-09-10 17:07, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
>  schreef:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Just came across something sort of odd.  I notice that Films Media is
>> selling streaming licenses for a number of public domain films that are
>> available absolutely free on the Internet Moving Image Archive.  This
>> doesn't seem right to me.
>>
>> Maybe our friends at Films.com can elaborate?
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> Gary Handman
>> Director
>> Media Resources Center
>> Moffitt Library
>> UC Berkeley
>>
>> 510-643-8566
>> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
>> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>>
>> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
>> --Francois Truffaut
>>
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues
>> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>> control,
>> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries
>> and
>> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an
>> effective
>> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
>> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
>> distributors.
>

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Re: [Videolib] DVD enhancements

[Dennis Doros]

>
>
>
> And how many people buy anything (cars, phones, books, DVDs or
> whatever) because they want the add-ons?
>
>
I forget which Ford cars they're advertising, but there are several
commercials where all they are selling are the cool gizmos. GPS, Touch
Screen, push-button, etc.


-- 
Best,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
PO Box 128
Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: 201-767-3117
Fax: 201-767-3035
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www.ontheboweryfilm.com
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www.exilesfilm.com
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Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights

[Dennis Doros]

And Gary, thank you for noticing! That one short WHITE FAWN'S DEVOTION took
five weeks out of my life. Two to acquire it from the LOC and score it, and
then three weeks solid to prove that Youngdeer was indeed a Winnebago tribe
member. And sad to say, I got all the way to 90% sure and had to take the
reassurance of the Winnebago tribal elder to say at least "purported" on the
dvd. I'm not sure other producers are as OCD as I am, but I think there
are.

AND then I found out that short was also on a Treasures from the American
Film Archives release. But most of The Exiles bonus features was
specifically produced with the classroom in mind.

I would also recommend the Criterion bonus features especially when they get
archival interviews of directors from European television. Some of them are
incredible.

But the NEXT two box sets, are going to be really wonderful...

Dennis

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:18 AM,  wrote:

> Hi all
>   The only
> other time that supplements get used are cases in which unique, whole
> films (alternate versions, short films by the director of the feature,
> etc) are included:  e.g.:  "White Fawn's Devotion" (the first American
> feature by a Native American filmmaker) which is included with Milestone's
> redoubtable "The Exiles".  Maybe these bells/whistles mean something in
> the home video marketplace, but in academia, not so much...at least not in
> Berkeley academia.
>
> Gary
>
>
> >   Your point about enhancements is similar to textbook enhancements -
> > CD-Roms, workbooks etc. Here is a link to the Government Accounting
> > Office's report about the tripling of textbook prices:
> > http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05806.pdf Spoiler: It is due to the
> > enhancements and extras that come with the textbooks.
> >
> > Is there any indication that for face-to-face instruction that these
> > enhancements or extras are utilized in class or as part of the
> > curriculum? In the case of textbooks, sometimes professors actively use
> > the enhancements (for instance test banks, many of which are available
> > online via password - streaming, as it were) or assign students to use
> > them, while some do not. If I had the choice to purchase a film for
> > $100.00 to add to the collection and one for $395.00, I'd select the
> > $100.00 cut even if I missed out on the enhancements. Because that means
> > I could buy two more titles at that price for the cost of one film with
> > enhancement. Perhaps some film/media faculty would make a special
> > request for a DVD with extras, but as part of a collection development
> > policy, I'd have to say that the most affordable item would be the
> > priority.
> >
> > On 9/28/2010 2:43 PM, Dennis Doros wrote:
> >> Matt,
> >>
> >> The simple answer is this. A DVD is a physical item that you have to
> >> drop into a player. It is illegal to copy if it's encrypted (in most
> >> cases). A streaming version is a digital file, and if it's on your
> >> hard drive, it's literally forever. (Though, of course, this is
> >> ridiculous because how many people can open files from 1992 even? but
> >> let's assume a file can migrate over the years.)
> >>
> >> As Jessica points out, distributors have limited contracts of usually
> >> seven to fifteen years, but even more important, livelihoods (and the
> >> filmmakers') are based on repeated licensing of the same film. That
> >> was the also case in most leasings of 16mm prints before the video age
> >> as well, so it's not a new thing. And of course, if you have a digital
> >> file, you can pass that file on to other hard drives so it's like
> >> buying ten copies for the price of one. And if you have to stream off
> >> of the distributor's hard drive, they would be responsible forever to
> >> make it available to you.
> >>
> >> I'm not saying I'm right, but that is the thought process.
> >>
> >> And you know, I haven't thought of this before (and this is about us
> >> feature film distributors at least), but even though you guys have
> >> bought 16mm prints, then VHS tapes, then DVDs and now possibly
> >> blu-ray, I can guarantee that with each purchase there was either an
> >> ease of use or greater quality provided with each purchase over the
> >> years. With each technology, the buyer has gotten better and better
> >> film transfers (at least from most of us) and better and better
> >> context. In the old days, you would get a study guide. Today, you can
> >> get commentaries by the director, short films that the director did,
> >> the original script, video interviews of the cast and crew, an essay
> >> by a esteemed critic, etc. Back in 1965, how many students outside the
> >> major cities would have had the chance to listen to a number of
> >> directors talk about his work?
> >>
> >> I understand at $395 a crack, those various formats get annoying but
> >> with a lot of stuff at $9.95, it probably balances out to be pretty
> >> good overall. I'd love to see what a media library's budget is
> >> compared to 1970

Re: [Videolib] DVD enhancements

[Lorraine Knight]

Good reason to have MARC records that list supplementary materials in
fields that provide title access. 

Lorraine.

Lorraine Knight
marc4media
10645 N. Tatum Blvd., Ste. 200-316
Phoenix Az. 85028
1-800-799-3988
480-998-0283
www.marc4media.com


-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Brigid Duffy
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 8:46 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] DVD enhancements

I have occasionally bought a DVD because it included a short film we
needed. We also had a professor in business request Disney's
"Ratatouille" not for the film, but for a supplementary interview on
filmmaking and running a gourmet restaurant - "Fine Food and Film: A
Conversation with Brad Bird and Thomas Keller" (2007, 14 minutes).

Problem is, unless the supplementary materials are well publicized,
nobody will know they are there, and that's not much of a selling point.

And how many people buy anything (cars, phones, books, DVDs or
whatever) because they want the add-ons?

Brigid Duffy
Media Acquisitions
Academic Technology
San Francisco State University
San Francisco, CA  94132-4200
E-mail: bdu...@sfsu.edu


On Sep 29, 2010, at 8:18 AM,  wrote:

> Hi all
>
> With almost no exception, DVD enhancements, supplements, add-ons, 
> bonuses, and the Special Features are almost completely ignored here.

> There are a few interesting exceptions.  Last year, we bought the TV 
> series "Young Indiana Jones", which includes (I kid you not) over 20 
> hours of supplements.  In that case, the supplements (historical 
> background related
> to the adventures of young Indie) are the ONLY things ever used.   
> The only
> other time that supplements get used are cases in which unique, whole 
> films (alternate versions, short films by the director of the feature,
> etc) are included:  e.g.:  "White Fawn's Devotion" (the first American

> feature by a Native American filmmaker) which is included with 
> Milestone's redoubtable "The Exiles".  Maybe these bells/whistles mean

> something in the home video marketplace, but in academia, not so 
> much...at least not in Berkeley academia.
>
> Gary
>
>
>>  Your point about enhancements is similar to textbook enhancements - 
>> CD-Roms, workbooks etc. Here is a link to the Government Accounting 
>> Office's report about the tripling of textbook prices:
>> http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05806.pdf Spoiler: It is due to the 
>> enhancements and extras that come with the textbooks.
>>
>> Is there any indication that for face-to-face instruction that these 
>> enhancements or extras are utilized in class or as part of the 
>> curriculum? In the case of textbooks, sometimes professors actively 
>> use the enhancements (for instance test banks, many of which are 
>> available online via password - streaming, as it were) or assign 
>> students to use them, while some do not. If I had the choice to 
>> purchase a film for $100.00 to add to the collection and one for 
>> $395.00, I'd select the $100.00 cut even if I missed out on the 
>> enhancements. Because that means I could buy two more titles at that 
>> price for the cost of one film with enhancement. Perhaps some 
>> film/media faculty would make a special request for a DVD with 
>> extras, but as part of a collection development policy, I'd have to 
>> say that the most affordable item would be the priority.
>>
>> On 9/28/2010 2:43 PM, Dennis Doros wrote:
>>> Matt,
>>>
>>> The simple answer is this. A DVD is a physical item that you have to

>>> drop into a player. It is illegal to copy if it's encrypted (in most

>>> cases). A streaming version is a digital file, and if it's on your 
>>> hard drive, it's literally forever. (Though, of course, this is 
>>> ridiculous because how many people can open files from 1992 even?
>>> but
>>> let's assume a file can migrate over the years.)
>>>
>>> As Jessica points out, distributors have limited contracts of 
>>> usually seven to fifteen years, but even more important, livelihoods

>>> (and the
>>> filmmakers') are based on repeated licensing of the same film. That 
>>> was the also case in most leasings of 16mm prints before the video 
>>> age as well, so it's not a new thing. And of course, if you have a 
>>> digital file, you can pass that file on to other hard drives so it's

>>> like buying ten copies for the price of one. And if you have to 
>>> stream off of the distributor's hard drive, they would be 
>>> responsible forever to make it available to you.
>>>
>>> I'm not saying I'm right, but that is the thought process.
>>>
>>> And you know, I haven't thought of this before (and this is about us

>>> feature film distributors at least), but even though you guys have 
>>> bought 16mm prints, then VHS tapes, then DVDs and now possibly 
>>> blu-ray, I can guarantee that with each purchase there was either an

>>> ease of use or greater quality provided with each purchase over the 
>>> years

Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights

[Sarah E. McCleskey]

I paid a relative ton for an out of print copy of the MPI version of Hard Days 
Night because it "Includes: Running, jumping & standing still / Richard Lester 
; starring Peter Sellers."  Was requested by a Film professor.

Sarah E. McCleskey
Head of Access Services
Acting Director, Film and Media Library
112 Axinn Library
Hofstra University
Hempstead, NY 11549-1230
sarah.e.mccles...@hofstra.edu
516-463-5076 (o)
516-463-4309 (f)



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From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of 
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:18 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights

Hi all

With almost no exception, DVD enhancements, supplements, add-ons, bonuses,
and the Special Features are almost completely ignored here.  There are a
few interesting exceptions.  Last year, we bought the TV series "Young
Indiana Jones", which includes (I kid you not) over 20 hours of
supplements.  In that case, the supplements (historical background related
to the adventures of young Indie) are the ONLY things ever used.  The only
other time that supplements get used are cases in which unique, whole
films (alternate versions, short films by the director of the feature,
etc) are included:  e.g.:  "White Fawn's Devotion" (the first American
feature by a Native American filmmaker) which is included with Milestone's
redoubtable "The Exiles".  Maybe these bells/whistles mean something in
the home video marketplace, but in academia, not so much...at least not in
Berkeley academia.

Gary


>   Your point about enhancements is similar to textbook enhancements -
> CD-Roms, workbooks etc. Here is a link to the Government Accounting
> Office's report about the tripling of textbook prices:
> http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05806.pdf Spoiler: It is due to the
> enhancements and extras that come with the textbooks.
>
> Is there any indication that for face-to-face instruction that these
> enhancements or extras are utilized in class or as part of the
> curriculum? In the case of textbooks, sometimes professors actively use
> the enhancements (for instance test banks, many of which are available
> online via password - streaming, as it were) or assign students to use
> them, while some do not. If I had the choice to purchase a film for
> $100.00 to add to the collection and one for $395.00, I'd select the
> $100.00 cut even if I missed out on the enhancements. Because that means
> I could buy two more titles at that price for the cost of one film with
> enhancement. Perhaps some film/media faculty would make a special
> request for a DVD with extras, but as part of a collection development
> policy, I'd have to say that the most affordable item would be the
> priority.
>
> On 9/28/2010 2:43 PM, Dennis Doros wrote:
>> Matt,
>>
>> The simple answer is this. A DVD is a physical item that you have to
>> drop into a player. It is illegal to copy if it's encrypted (in most
>> cases). A streaming version is a digital file, and if it's on your
>> hard drive, it's literally forever. (Though, of course, this is
>> ridiculous because how many people can open files from 1992 even? but
>> let's assume a file can migrate over the years.)
>>
>> As Jessica points out, distributors have limited contracts of usually
>> seven to fifteen years, but even more important, livelihoods (and the
>> filmmakers') are based on repeated licensing of the same film. That
>> was the also case in most leasings of 16mm prints before the video age
>> as well, so it's not a new thing. And of course, if you have a digital
>> file, you can pass that file on to other hard drives so it's like
>> buying ten copies for the price of one. And if you have to stream off
>> of the distributor's hard drive, they would be responsible forever to
>> make it available to you.
>>
>> I'm not saying I'm right, but that is the thought process.
>>
>> And you know, I haven't thought of this before (and this is about us
>> feature film distributors at least), but even though you guys have
>> bought 16mm prints, then VHS tapes, then DVDs and now possibly
>> blu-ray, I can guarantee that with each purchase there was either an
>> ease of use or greater quality provided with each purchase over the
>> years. With each technology, the buyer has gotten better and better
>> film transfers (at least from most of us) and better and better
>> context. In the old days, you would get a study guide. Today, you can
>> get commentaries by the director, short films that the director did,
>> the original script, video interviews of the cast and crew, an essay
>> by a esteemed critic, etc. Back in 1965, how many students outside the
>> major cities would have had the chance to listen to a number of
>> directors talk about his work?
>>
>> I understand at $395 a crack, those various formats get annoying but
>> with a lot of stuff at $9.95, it probably balances out to be pretty
>> 

Re: [Videolib] Public Domain for sale???

[Jaeschke, Myles]

Well PD films have been available in VHS and DVD for a long time and we all 
keep buying them. Why?  Because it's too much trouble for many of us to make a 
dub and have it on hand when it goes missing.

Yeah, streaming PD titles can be a bit different.  Prelinger films are always 
there (in theory) freely available to stream at archive.org.  I guess I just 
look at it as a "convenience" that FMG is selling.  No, I would not buy FMGs 
stream knowing that it was freely available legally elsewhere.

Companies have been selling PD titles for a long time what difference does it 
make what format it is in?

On the other hand you can look at it as a company taking advantage of someone 
that may not have knowledge that a title is available for free legally 
elsewhere.

Best,
Myles

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From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of 
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:34 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Public Domain for sale???

Check out

http://films.com/id/17839/Prelinger_Archives_American_Thrift_Part_I_1962.htm

I have a note into Rick Prelinger, who may or may not be aware of this.  I
have huge respect for Rick, so I hope it's "not"

gary



> Can you forward some examples. J.
>
>
> Op 29-09-10 17:07, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
>  schreef:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Just came across something sort of odd.  I notice that Films Media is
>> selling streaming licenses for a number of public domain films that are
>> available absolutely free on the Internet Moving Image Archive.  This
>> doesn't seem right to me.
>>
>> Maybe our friends at Films.com can elaborate?
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> Gary Handman
>> Director
>> Media Resources Center
>> Moffitt Library
>> UC Berkeley
>>
>> 510-643-8566
>> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
>> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>>
>> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
>> --Francois Truffaut
>>
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues
>> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>> control,
>> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries
>> and
>> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an
>> effective
>> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
>> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
>> distributors.
>

http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Public Domain for sale???

[Jessica Rosner]

I can't imagine he is not aware of it.

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:34 AM,  wrote:

> Check out
>
>
> http://films.com/id/17839/Prelinger_Archives_American_Thrift_Part_I_1962.htm
>
> I have a note into Rick Prelinger, who may or may not be aware of this.  I
> have huge respect for Rick, so I hope it's "not"
>
> gary
>
>
>
> > Can you forward some examples. J.
> >
> >
> > Op 29-09-10 17:07, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
> >  schreef:
> >
> >> Hi all
> >>
> >> Just came across something sort of odd.  I notice that Films Media is
> >> selling streaming licenses for a number of public domain films that are
> >> available absolutely free on the Internet Moving Image Archive.  This
> >> doesn't seem right to me.
> >>
> >> Maybe our friends at Films.com can elaborate?
> >>
> >> Gary
> >>
> >>
> >> Gary Handman
> >> Director
> >> Media Resources Center
> >> Moffitt Library
> >> UC Berkeley
> >>
> >> 510-643-8566
> >> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
> >> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
> >>
> >> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> >> --Francois Truffaut
> >>
> >>
> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> >> issues
> >> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> >> control,
> >> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries
> >> and
> >> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an
> >> effective
> >> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> >> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> >> distributors.
> >
>
> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>
> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> --Francois Truffaut
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights

[Shoaf,Judith P]

I know there is one prof here who actually writes about the supplements 
provided to various editions of "medieval" films--what is considered necessary 
and appropriate in presenting what is often yet another collector's edition or 
director's cut of a film which has already been released (historical 
background? Interviews that explain how it's all relevant? Film historians' 
views of the film, or historians' views of the history?). At one point he 
wanted to order for example South American and European editions that had 
different supplements!

Judy

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[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of 
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:18 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights

Hi all

With almost no exception, DVD enhancements, supplements, add-ons, bonuses,
and the Special Features are almost completely ignored here.  There are a
few interesting exceptions.  Last year, we bought the TV series "Young
Indiana Jones", which includes (I kid you not) over 20 hours of
supplements.  In that case, the supplements (historical background related
to the adventures of young Indie) are the ONLY things ever used.  The only
other time that supplements get used are cases in which unique, whole
films (alternate versions, short films by the director of the feature,
etc) are included:  e.g.:  "White Fawn's Devotion" (the first American
feature by a Native American filmmaker) which is included with Milestone's
redoubtable "The Exiles".  Maybe these bells/whistles mean something in
the home video marketplace, but in academia, not so much...at least not in
Berkeley academia.

Gary


>   Your point about enhancements is similar to textbook enhancements -
> CD-Roms, workbooks etc. Here is a link to the Government Accounting
> Office's report about the tripling of textbook prices:
> http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05806.pdf Spoiler: It is due to the
> enhancements and extras that come with the textbooks.
>
> Is there any indication that for face-to-face instruction that these
> enhancements or extras are utilized in class or as part of the
> curriculum? In the case of textbooks, sometimes professors actively use
> the enhancements (for instance test banks, many of which are available
> online via password - streaming, as it were) or assign students to use
> them, while some do not. If I had the choice to purchase a film for
> $100.00 to add to the collection and one for $395.00, I'd select the
> $100.00 cut even if I missed out on the enhancements. Because that means
> I could buy two more titles at that price for the cost of one film with
> enhancement. Perhaps some film/media faculty would make a special
> request for a DVD with extras, but as part of a collection development
> policy, I'd have to say that the most affordable item would be the
> priority.
>
> On 9/28/2010 2:43 PM, Dennis Doros wrote:
>> Matt,
>>
>> The simple answer is this. A DVD is a physical item that you have to
>> drop into a player. It is illegal to copy if it's encrypted (in most
>> cases). A streaming version is a digital file, and if it's on your
>> hard drive, it's literally forever. (Though, of course, this is
>> ridiculous because how many people can open files from 1992 even? but
>> let's assume a file can migrate over the years.)
>>
>> As Jessica points out, distributors have limited contracts of usually
>> seven to fifteen years, but even more important, livelihoods (and the
>> filmmakers') are based on repeated licensing of the same film. That
>> was the also case in most leasings of 16mm prints before the video age
>> as well, so it's not a new thing. And of course, if you have a digital
>> file, you can pass that file on to other hard drives so it's like
>> buying ten copies for the price of one. And if you have to stream off
>> of the distributor's hard drive, they would be responsible forever to
>> make it available to you.
>>
>> I'm not saying I'm right, but that is the thought process.
>>
>> And you know, I haven't thought of this before (and this is about us
>> feature film distributors at least), but even though you guys have
>> bought 16mm prints, then VHS tapes, then DVDs and now possibly
>> blu-ray, I can guarantee that with each purchase there was either an
>> ease of use or greater quality provided with each purchase over the
>> years. With each technology, the buyer has gotten better and better
>> film transfers (at least from most of us) and better and better
>> context. In the old days, you would get a study guide. Today, you can
>> get commentaries by the director, short films that the director did,
>> the original script, video interviews of the cast and crew, an essay
>> by a esteemed critic, etc. Back in 1965, how many students outside the
>> major cities would have had the chance to listen to a number of
>> directors talk about his work?
>>
>> I understand at $39

Re: [Videolib] DVD enhancements

[ghandman]

Totally agree, Brigid.

I've been trying to extract and publicize (at least videographically
speaking) interesting extras (see, for e.g. our Warner Brothers and MGM
Animated Shorts videography
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/warnertoons.html)  and Newsreel
supplements (http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/newsreels.html#dvd)

A good argument, also, for full-tilt cataloging of such stuff...otherwise,
it tends to remain buried and completely unused.

gary


> I have occasionally bought a DVD because it included a short film we
> needed. We also had a professor in business request Disney's
> "Ratatouille" not for the film, but for a supplementary interview on
> filmmaking and running a gourmet restaurant - "Fine Food and Film: A
> Conversation with Brad Bird and Thomas Keller" (2007, 14 minutes).
>
> Problem is, unless the supplementary materials are well publicized,
> nobody will know they are there, and that's not much of a selling point.
>
> And how many people buy anything (cars, phones, books, DVDs or
> whatever) because they want the add-ons?
>
> Brigid Duffy
> Media Acquisitions
> Academic Technology
> San Francisco State University
> San Francisco, CA  94132-4200
> E-mail: bdu...@sfsu.edu
>
>
> On Sep 29, 2010, at 8:18 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> With almost no exception, DVD enhancements, supplements, add-ons,
>> bonuses,
>> and the Special Features are almost completely ignored here.  There
>> are a
>> few interesting exceptions.  Last year, we bought the TV series "Young
>> Indiana Jones", which includes (I kid you not) over 20 hours of
>> supplements.  In that case, the supplements (historical background
>> related
>> to the adventures of young Indie) are the ONLY things ever used.
>> The only
>> other time that supplements get used are cases in which unique, whole
>> films (alternate versions, short films by the director of the feature,
>> etc) are included:  e.g.:  "White Fawn's Devotion" (the first American
>> feature by a Native American filmmaker) which is included with
>> Milestone's
>> redoubtable "The Exiles".  Maybe these bells/whistles mean something
>> in
>> the home video marketplace, but in academia, not so much...at least
>> not in
>> Berkeley academia.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>>  Your point about enhancements is similar to textbook enhancements -
>>> CD-Roms, workbooks etc. Here is a link to the Government Accounting
>>> Office's report about the tripling of textbook prices:
>>> http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05806.pdf Spoiler: It is due to the
>>> enhancements and extras that come with the textbooks.
>>>
>>> Is there any indication that for face-to-face instruction that these
>>> enhancements or extras are utilized in class or as part of the
>>> curriculum? In the case of textbooks, sometimes professors actively
>>> use
>>> the enhancements (for instance test banks, many of which are
>>> available
>>> online via password - streaming, as it were) or assign students to
>>> use
>>> them, while some do not. If I had the choice to purchase a film for
>>> $100.00 to add to the collection and one for $395.00, I'd select the
>>> $100.00 cut even if I missed out on the enhancements. Because that
>>> means
>>> I could buy two more titles at that price for the cost of one film
>>> with
>>> enhancement. Perhaps some film/media faculty would make a special
>>> request for a DVD with extras, but as part of a collection
>>> development
>>> policy, I'd have to say that the most affordable item would be the
>>> priority.
>>>
>>> On 9/28/2010 2:43 PM, Dennis Doros wrote:
 Matt,

 The simple answer is this. A DVD is a physical item that you have to
 drop into a player. It is illegal to copy if it's encrypted (in most
 cases). A streaming version is a digital file, and if it's on your
 hard drive, it's literally forever. (Though, of course, this is
 ridiculous because how many people can open files from 1992 even?
 but
 let's assume a file can migrate over the years.)

 As Jessica points out, distributors have limited contracts of
 usually
 seven to fifteen years, but even more important, livelihoods (and
 the
 filmmakers') are based on repeated licensing of the same film. That
 was the also case in most leasings of 16mm prints before the video
 age
 as well, so it's not a new thing. And of course, if you have a
 digital
 file, you can pass that file on to other hard drives so it's like
 buying ten copies for the price of one. And if you have to stream
 off
 of the distributor's hard drive, they would be responsible forever
 to
 make it available to you.

 I'm not saying I'm right, but that is the thought process.

 And you know, I haven't thought of this before (and this is about us
 feature film distributors at least), but even though you guys have
 bought 16mm prints, then VHS tapes, then DVDs and now possibly
 blu-ray, I can guarantee that with each purchase there was either an
>>>

Re: [Videolib] Trying to unsubscribe

[Susan Albrecht]

Good grief.  Make that "purgatory."  Gary & I seem to have the spelling yips 
today

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Albrecht
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:29 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Trying to unsubscribe

Kind of like Cub fans being stuck in pergatory


From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:15 AM
To: fsand...@rcls.org; videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Trying to unsubscribe

Sorry Fred you are stuck here forever.
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Fred Sandner - FML 
mailto:fsand...@rcls.org>> wrote:
I've tried the procedure to unsubscribe on the mailman website but it hasn't 
worked. How do i unsubsribe?
Fred Sandner
Head, Circulation/Media Services
Finkelstein Memorial Library
24 Chestnut Street
Spring Valley, NY 10977

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights

[Jessica Rosner]

I think the big "enhancement" is the format itself. If you bought the film
in VHS and it comes out in DVD, HD, Blu-Ray etc, you do not have to buy it.
You could still use the VHS, but somebody spent a lot of money to remaster
it and get it out in digital format. Also $100 Vs $395 is rather a false
choice. Most films are either retail at $30 or less or marketed to the
institutional market for $100 on up. These more expensive films generally
have a much more specific content and limited audience. If you can find what
you need in a retail item go for it, since it pretty rare for an institution
to need PPR rights, but again most of the higher priced items are far more
specialized and hence the higher price. You are not spending money on extras
because few institutional films are going to have a lot of extras, you are
or would be spending on the content and for an older film the cost of
upgrading it to digital format.

Jessica

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:18 AM,  wrote:

> Hi all
>
> With almost no exception, DVD enhancements, supplements, add-ons, bonuses,
> and the Special Features are almost completely ignored here.  There are a
> few interesting exceptions.  Last year, we bought the TV series "Young
> Indiana Jones", which includes (I kid you not) over 20 hours of
> supplements.  In that case, the supplements (historical background related
> to the adventures of young Indie) are the ONLY things ever used.  The only
> other time that supplements get used are cases in which unique, whole
> films (alternate versions, short films by the director of the feature,
> etc) are included:  e.g.:  "White Fawn's Devotion" (the first American
> feature by a Native American filmmaker) which is included with Milestone's
> redoubtable "The Exiles".  Maybe these bells/whistles mean something in
> the home video marketplace, but in academia, not so much...at least not in
> Berkeley academia.
>
> Gary
>
>
> >   Your point about enhancements is similar to textbook enhancements -
> > CD-Roms, workbooks etc. Here is a link to the Government Accounting
> > Office's report about the tripling of textbook prices:
> > http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05806.pdf Spoiler: It is due to the
> > enhancements and extras that come with the textbooks.
> >
> > Is there any indication that for face-to-face instruction that these
> > enhancements or extras are utilized in class or as part of the
> > curriculum? In the case of textbooks, sometimes professors actively use
> > the enhancements (for instance test banks, many of which are available
> > online via password - streaming, as it were) or assign students to use
> > them, while some do not. If I had the choice to purchase a film for
> > $100.00 to add to the collection and one for $395.00, I'd select the
> > $100.00 cut even if I missed out on the enhancements. Because that means
> > I could buy two more titles at that price for the cost of one film with
> > enhancement. Perhaps some film/media faculty would make a special
> > request for a DVD with extras, but as part of a collection development
> > policy, I'd have to say that the most affordable item would be the
> > priority.
> >
> > On 9/28/2010 2:43 PM, Dennis Doros wrote:
> >> Matt,
> >>
> >> The simple answer is this. A DVD is a physical item that you have to
> >> drop into a player. It is illegal to copy if it's encrypted (in most
> >> cases). A streaming version is a digital file, and if it's on your
> >> hard drive, it's literally forever. (Though, of course, this is
> >> ridiculous because how many people can open files from 1992 even? but
> >> let's assume a file can migrate over the years.)
> >>
> >> As Jessica points out, distributors have limited contracts of usually
> >> seven to fifteen years, but even more important, livelihoods (and the
> >> filmmakers') are based on repeated licensing of the same film. That
> >> was the also case in most leasings of 16mm prints before the video age
> >> as well, so it's not a new thing. And of course, if you have a digital
> >> file, you can pass that file on to other hard drives so it's like
> >> buying ten copies for the price of one. And if you have to stream off
> >> of the distributor's hard drive, they would be responsible forever to
> >> make it available to you.
> >>
> >> I'm not saying I'm right, but that is the thought process.
> >>
> >> And you know, I haven't thought of this before (and this is about us
> >> feature film distributors at least), but even though you guys have
> >> bought 16mm prints, then VHS tapes, then DVDs and now possibly
> >> blu-ray, I can guarantee that with each purchase there was either an
> >> ease of use or greater quality provided with each purchase over the
> >> years. With each technology, the buyer has gotten better and better
> >> film transfers (at least from most of us) and better and better
> >> context. In the old days, you would get a study guide. Today, you can
> >> get commentaries by the director, short films that the director did,
> >> the 

Re: [Videolib] DVD enhancements

[Brigid Duffy]

I have occasionally bought a DVD because it included a short film we  
needed. We also had a professor in business request Disney's  
"Ratatouille" not for the film, but for a supplementary interview on  
filmmaking and running a gourmet restaurant - "Fine Food and Film: A  
Conversation with Brad Bird and Thomas Keller" (2007, 14 minutes).

Problem is, unless the supplementary materials are well publicized,  
nobody will know they are there, and that's not much of a selling point.

And how many people buy anything (cars, phones, books, DVDs or  
whatever) because they want the add-ons?

Brigid Duffy
Media Acquisitions
Academic Technology
San Francisco State University
San Francisco, CA  94132-4200
E-mail: bdu...@sfsu.edu


On Sep 29, 2010, at 8:18 AM,  wrote:

> Hi all
>
> With almost no exception, DVD enhancements, supplements, add-ons,  
> bonuses,
> and the Special Features are almost completely ignored here.  There  
> are a
> few interesting exceptions.  Last year, we bought the TV series "Young
> Indiana Jones", which includes (I kid you not) over 20 hours of
> supplements.  In that case, the supplements (historical background  
> related
> to the adventures of young Indie) are the ONLY things ever used.   
> The only
> other time that supplements get used are cases in which unique, whole
> films (alternate versions, short films by the director of the feature,
> etc) are included:  e.g.:  "White Fawn's Devotion" (the first American
> feature by a Native American filmmaker) which is included with  
> Milestone's
> redoubtable "The Exiles".  Maybe these bells/whistles mean something  
> in
> the home video marketplace, but in academia, not so much...at least  
> not in
> Berkeley academia.
>
> Gary
>
>
>>  Your point about enhancements is similar to textbook enhancements -
>> CD-Roms, workbooks etc. Here is a link to the Government Accounting
>> Office's report about the tripling of textbook prices:
>> http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05806.pdf Spoiler: It is due to the
>> enhancements and extras that come with the textbooks.
>>
>> Is there any indication that for face-to-face instruction that these
>> enhancements or extras are utilized in class or as part of the
>> curriculum? In the case of textbooks, sometimes professors actively  
>> use
>> the enhancements (for instance test banks, many of which are  
>> available
>> online via password - streaming, as it were) or assign students to  
>> use
>> them, while some do not. If I had the choice to purchase a film for
>> $100.00 to add to the collection and one for $395.00, I'd select the
>> $100.00 cut even if I missed out on the enhancements. Because that  
>> means
>> I could buy two more titles at that price for the cost of one film  
>> with
>> enhancement. Perhaps some film/media faculty would make a special
>> request for a DVD with extras, but as part of a collection  
>> development
>> policy, I'd have to say that the most affordable item would be the
>> priority.
>>
>> On 9/28/2010 2:43 PM, Dennis Doros wrote:
>>> Matt,
>>>
>>> The simple answer is this. A DVD is a physical item that you have to
>>> drop into a player. It is illegal to copy if it's encrypted (in most
>>> cases). A streaming version is a digital file, and if it's on your
>>> hard drive, it's literally forever. (Though, of course, this is
>>> ridiculous because how many people can open files from 1992 even?  
>>> but
>>> let's assume a file can migrate over the years.)
>>>
>>> As Jessica points out, distributors have limited contracts of  
>>> usually
>>> seven to fifteen years, but even more important, livelihoods (and  
>>> the
>>> filmmakers') are based on repeated licensing of the same film. That
>>> was the also case in most leasings of 16mm prints before the video  
>>> age
>>> as well, so it's not a new thing. And of course, if you have a  
>>> digital
>>> file, you can pass that file on to other hard drives so it's like
>>> buying ten copies for the price of one. And if you have to stream  
>>> off
>>> of the distributor's hard drive, they would be responsible forever  
>>> to
>>> make it available to you.
>>>
>>> I'm not saying I'm right, but that is the thought process.
>>>
>>> And you know, I haven't thought of this before (and this is about us
>>> feature film distributors at least), but even though you guys have
>>> bought 16mm prints, then VHS tapes, then DVDs and now possibly
>>> blu-ray, I can guarantee that with each purchase there was either an
>>> ease of use or greater quality provided with each purchase over the
>>> years. With each technology, the buyer has gotten better and better
>>> film transfers (at least from most of us) and better and better
>>> context. In the old days, you would get a study guide. Today, you  
>>> can
>>> get commentaries by the director, short films that the director did,
>>> the original script, video interviews of the cast and crew, an essay
>>> by a esteemed critic, etc. Back in 1965, how many students outside  
>>> the
>>> major

Re: [Videolib] Public Domain for sale???

[ghandman]

Check out

http://films.com/id/17839/Prelinger_Archives_American_Thrift_Part_I_1962.htm

I have a note into Rick Prelinger, who may or may not be aware of this.  I
have huge respect for Rick, so I hope it's "not"

gary



> Can you forward some examples. J.
>
>
> Op 29-09-10 17:07, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
>  schreef:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Just came across something sort of odd.  I notice that Films Media is
>> selling streaming licenses for a number of public domain films that are
>> available absolutely free on the Internet Moving Image Archive.  This
>> doesn't seem right to me.
>>
>> Maybe our friends at Films.com can elaborate?
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> Gary Handman
>> Director
>> Media Resources Center
>> Moffitt Library
>> UC Berkeley
>>
>> 510-643-8566
>> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
>> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>>
>> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
>> --Francois Truffaut
>>
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues
>> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>> control,
>> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries
>> and
>> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an
>> effective
>> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
>> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
>> distributors.
>

http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Trying to unsubscribe

[ghandman]

I've taken you off the list, Fred.  Adios!

gary handman


> I've tried the procedure to unsubscribe on the mailman website but it
> hasn't worked. How do i unsubsribe?
>
> Fred Sandner
> Head, Circulation/Media Services
> Finkelstein Memorial Library
> 24 Chestnut Street
> Spring Valley, NY 10977
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Trying to unsubscribe

[Susan Albrecht]

Kind of like Cub fans being stuck in pergatory


From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:15 AM
To: fsand...@rcls.org; videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Trying to unsubscribe

Sorry Fred you are stuck here forever.
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Fred Sandner - FML 
mailto:fsand...@rcls.org>> wrote:
I've tried the procedure to unsubscribe on the mailman website but it hasn't 
worked. How do i unsubsribe?
Fred Sandner
Head, Circulation/Media Services
Finkelstein Memorial Library
24 Chestnut Street
Spring Valley, NY 10977

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Public Domain for sale???

[Johan Oomen]

Can you forward some examples. J.


Op 29-09-10 17:07, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
 schreef:

> Hi all
> 
> Just came across something sort of odd.  I notice that Films Media is
> selling streaming licenses for a number of public domain films that are
> available absolutely free on the Internet Moving Image Archive.  This
> doesn't seem right to me.
> 
> Maybe our friends at Films.com can elaborate?
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> Gary Handman
> Director
> Media Resources Center
> Moffitt Library
> UC Berkeley
> 
> 510-643-8566
> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
> 
> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> --Francois Truffaut
> 
> 
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

[Videolib] suck?

[ghandman]

Ach Doktor Freud!

I wrote "suck things" in the last post instead of such.  Depending on your
viewpoint (like Joe's), the former may be more accurate.


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Marketing list of librarians?

[ghandman]

Hi Joe

There are two lists:  videolib--a commercial-free discussion forum, and
videonews--a new product and service "bulletin board."  You are not
subscribed to the latter, so it's not that direction from which this stuff
is coming at you.

Video marketers have a large number of ways in which they can get your
name...I know of no BIG LIST in the sky for suck things.

Personally, I've always found new release emails very helpful in staying
abreast of what's out there.  The insight generally outweighs the
inconvenience of culling through.

gary handman


> I get tons of emails telling me about newly released documentaries. I am
> clearly on some sort of list that marketers use, probably of video/media
> librarians. Can anyone confirm the existence of such a list and does
> anyone know who it is that collects this info or any way to be removed?
>
> Thanks!!
> Joe
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights

[ghandman]

Hi all

With almost no exception, DVD enhancements, supplements, add-ons, bonuses,
and the Special Features are almost completely ignored here.  There are a
few interesting exceptions.  Last year, we bought the TV series "Young
Indiana Jones", which includes (I kid you not) over 20 hours of
supplements.  In that case, the supplements (historical background related
to the adventures of young Indie) are the ONLY things ever used.  The only
other time that supplements get used are cases in which unique, whole
films (alternate versions, short films by the director of the feature,
etc) are included:  e.g.:  "White Fawn's Devotion" (the first American
feature by a Native American filmmaker) which is included with Milestone's
redoubtable "The Exiles".  Maybe these bells/whistles mean something in
the home video marketplace, but in academia, not so much...at least not in
Berkeley academia.

Gary


>   Your point about enhancements is similar to textbook enhancements -
> CD-Roms, workbooks etc. Here is a link to the Government Accounting
> Office's report about the tripling of textbook prices:
> http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05806.pdf Spoiler: It is due to the
> enhancements and extras that come with the textbooks.
>
> Is there any indication that for face-to-face instruction that these
> enhancements or extras are utilized in class or as part of the
> curriculum? In the case of textbooks, sometimes professors actively use
> the enhancements (for instance test banks, many of which are available
> online via password - streaming, as it were) or assign students to use
> them, while some do not. If I had the choice to purchase a film for
> $100.00 to add to the collection and one for $395.00, I'd select the
> $100.00 cut even if I missed out on the enhancements. Because that means
> I could buy two more titles at that price for the cost of one film with
> enhancement. Perhaps some film/media faculty would make a special
> request for a DVD with extras, but as part of a collection development
> policy, I'd have to say that the most affordable item would be the
> priority.
>
> On 9/28/2010 2:43 PM, Dennis Doros wrote:
>> Matt,
>>
>> The simple answer is this. A DVD is a physical item that you have to
>> drop into a player. It is illegal to copy if it's encrypted (in most
>> cases). A streaming version is a digital file, and if it's on your
>> hard drive, it's literally forever. (Though, of course, this is
>> ridiculous because how many people can open files from 1992 even? but
>> let's assume a file can migrate over the years.)
>>
>> As Jessica points out, distributors have limited contracts of usually
>> seven to fifteen years, but even more important, livelihoods (and the
>> filmmakers') are based on repeated licensing of the same film. That
>> was the also case in most leasings of 16mm prints before the video age
>> as well, so it's not a new thing. And of course, if you have a digital
>> file, you can pass that file on to other hard drives so it's like
>> buying ten copies for the price of one. And if you have to stream off
>> of the distributor's hard drive, they would be responsible forever to
>> make it available to you.
>>
>> I'm not saying I'm right, but that is the thought process.
>>
>> And you know, I haven't thought of this before (and this is about us
>> feature film distributors at least), but even though you guys have
>> bought 16mm prints, then VHS tapes, then DVDs and now possibly
>> blu-ray, I can guarantee that with each purchase there was either an
>> ease of use or greater quality provided with each purchase over the
>> years. With each technology, the buyer has gotten better and better
>> film transfers (at least from most of us) and better and better
>> context. In the old days, you would get a study guide. Today, you can
>> get commentaries by the director, short films that the director did,
>> the original script, video interviews of the cast and crew, an essay
>> by a esteemed critic, etc. Back in 1965, how many students outside the
>> major cities would have had the chance to listen to a number of
>> directors talk about his work?
>>
>> I understand at $395 a crack, those various formats get annoying but
>> with a lot of stuff at $9.95, it probably balances out to be pretty
>> good overall. I'd love to see what a media library's budget is
>> compared to 1970 and what percentage of the overall institution's
>> budget would have been compared to today.
>>
>> Best,
>> Dennis Doros
>> Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
>> email: milefi...@gmail.com 
>> www.milestonefilms.com 
>> www.ontheboweryfilm.com 
>> www.arayafilm.com 
>> www.exilesfilm.com 
>> www.wordisoutmovie.com 
>> www.killerofsheep.com 
>> AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.org 
>> Join "Milestone Film" 

Re: [Videolib] Trying to unsubscribe

[Jessica Rosner]

Sorry Fred you are stuck here forever.

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Fred Sandner - FML wrote:

> I've tried the procedure to unsubscribe on the mailman website but it
> hasn't worked. How do i unsubsribe?
>
> Fred Sandner
> Head, Circulation/Media Services
> Finkelstein Memorial Library
> 24 Chestnut Street
> Spring Valley, NY 10977
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

[Videolib] Trying to unsubscribe

[Fred Sandner - FML]

I've tried the procedure to unsubscribe on the mailman website but it 
hasn't worked. How do i unsubsribe?

Fred Sandner
Head, Circulation/Media Services
Finkelstein Memorial Library
24 Chestnut Street
Spring Valley, NY 10977

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Marketing list of librarians?

[Jessica Rosner]

That's funny. ALA may have changed but in the past they never had or sold a
list for AV/Media. You could buy a list of librarians interested in China
Women's studies etc, but no AV.  They definitely sell lists and yes  you
would never get off it.

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Steffen, James M wrote:

> Since library-related junk mail and emails started pouring in at my home
> and office immediately after I joined ALA, it's fairly obvious to me who
> sold what contact list to all these different companies. As long as you're a
> member of ALA, I doubt there's any way out of it.
>
> --
> James M. Steffen, PhD
> Film and Media Studies Librarian
> Theater, Dance, ILA/IDS and LGBT Subject Liaison
> Marian K. Heilbrun Music and Media Library
> Emory University
> 540 Asbury Circle
> Atlanta, GA 30322-2870
> Phone: (404) 727-8107
> FAX: (404) 727-2257
> Email: jste...@emory.edu
>
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>   1. Marketing list of librarians? (Balducci, Joseph)
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>   3. Re: Marketing list of librarians? (Balducci, Joseph)
>   4. Re: Marketing list of librarians? (Jessica Rosner)
>   5. Re: Marketing list of librarians? (Meghann Matwichuk)
>   6. Re: Media Collection Development Policies (Ball, James (jmb4aw))
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> I get tons of emails telling me about newly released documentaries. I am
> clearly on some sort of list that marketers use, probably of video/media
> librarians. Can anyone confirm the existence of such a list and does anyone
> know who it is that collects this info or any way to be removed?
>
> Thanks!!
> Joe
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> There are several list out there, but don't the emails have an opt out at
> the bottom? All commercial emails should include a way to be removed from
> the list.
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> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Balducci, Joseph  >wrote:
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> > I get tons of emails telling me about newly released documentaries. I am
> > clearly on some sort of list that marketers use, probably of video/media
> > librarians. Can anyone confirm the existence of such a list and does
> anyone
> > know who it is that collects this info or any way to be removed?
> >
> > Thanks!!
> > Joe
> >
> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
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> > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an
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> > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
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> I should have mentioned that. Yes, there is usually an out opt, but you are
> basically opting out of the marketing for that one documentary (sometimes
> for a production company), making it fairly futile.
>
> Mostly curiosity on my part...
>
>
> On 9/29/10 10:24 AM, "Jessica Rosner"  wrote:
>
> There are several list out there, but don't the emails have an opt out at
> the bottom? All commercial emails should include a way to be removed from
> the list.
>
> On Wed, Sep

[Videolib] Public Domain for sale???

[ghandman]

Hi all

Just came across something sort of odd.  I notice that Films Media is
selling streaming licenses for a number of public domain films that are
available absolutely free on the Internet Moving Image Archive.  This
doesn't seem right to me.

Maybe our friends at Films.com can elaborate?

Gary


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


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preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Marketing list of librarians?

[Steffen, James M]

Since library-related junk mail and emails started pouring in at my home and 
office immediately after I joined ALA, it's fairly obvious to me who sold what 
contact list to all these different companies. As long as you're a member of 
ALA, I doubt there's any way out of it.

--
James M. Steffen, PhD
Film and Media Studies Librarian
Theater, Dance, ILA/IDS and LGBT Subject Liaison
Marian K. Heilbrun Music and Media Library
Emory University
540 Asbury Circle
Atlanta, GA 30322-2870
Phone: (404) 727-8107
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Today's Topics:

   1. Marketing list of librarians? (Balducci, Joseph)
   2. Re: Marketing list of librarians? (Jessica Rosner)
   3. Re: Marketing list of librarians? (Balducci, Joseph)
   4. Re: Marketing list of librarians? (Jessica Rosner)
   5. Re: Marketing list of librarians? (Meghann Matwichuk)
   6. Re: Media Collection Development Policies (Ball, James (jmb4aw))


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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:15:53 -0400
From: "Balducci, Joseph" 
Subject: [Videolib] Marketing list of librarians?
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I get tons of emails telling me about newly released documentaries. I am 
clearly on some sort of list that marketers use, probably of video/media 
librarians. Can anyone confirm the existence of such a list and does anyone 
know who it is that collects this info or any way to be removed?

Thanks!!
Joe



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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:24:14 -0400
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There are several list out there, but don't the emails have an opt out at
the bottom? All commercial emails should include a way to be removed from
the list.

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Balducci, Joseph wrote:

> I get tons of emails telling me about newly released documentaries. I am
> clearly on some sort of list that marketers use, probably of video/media
> librarians. Can anyone confirm the existence of such a list and does anyone
> know who it is that collects this info or any way to be removed?
>
> Thanks!!
> Joe
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:28:54 -0400
From: "Balducci, Joseph" 
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Marketing list of librarians?
To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" 
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I should have mentioned that. Yes, there is usually an out opt, but you are 
basically opting out of the marketing for that one documentary (sometimes for a 
production company), making it fairly futile.

Mostly curiosity on my part...


On 9/29/10 10:24 AM, "Jessica Rosner"  wrote:

There are several list out there, but don't the emails have an opt out at the 
bottom? All commercial emails should include a way to be removed from the list.

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Balducci, Joseph  wrote:
I get tons of emails telling me about newly released documentaries. I am 
clearly on some sort of list that marketers use, probably of video/media 
librarians. Can anyone confirm the existence of such a list and does anyone 
know who it is that collects this info or any way to be removed?

Thanks!!
Joe

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current 

Re: [Videolib] Media Collection Development Policies

[Ball, James (jmb4aw)]

Hi Meghann,

I've seen several collection development policies that are quite detailed and 
specific.  I hope that some of them will get posted here.  Mine is a bit less 
specific but should give  you a sense of how I go about making purchasing 
decisions:

~
The RMC (Robertson Media Center) purchases video materials in direct support of 
curricular needs across all disciplines represented at the University.  We 
purchase all titles requested by faculty, and most titles requested by students 
if they are needed for school.  We also purchase materials that contribute to 
the broader study of media, including critically acclaimed titles, award 
winners, and films from specific studios and/or distributors.

In aligning our collection policy with the teaching and research needs of our 
faculty, we pay special attention to titles that cover such topics as (in no 
particular order): global media, comparative media studies, Latina/o media 
studies, American cinema and television history, feminist media, queer studies, 
sexuality, and race.

Because the study of media necessarily includes everything from esoteric 
documentaries and period dramas to sitcoms and reality TV, the collection 
includes titles from a broad variety genres (about 85% of which were requested 
by faculty) which explains why the collection has titles ranging from Citizen 
Kane and Hostel to The Mary Tyler Moore Show and The Wire.  A note about 
television shows, because a few seasons of a television show are usually enough 
to give scholars a sense of what the show is about, we usually do not have an 
entire run of a television series.
~~~



Matt Ball
Media and Collections Librarian
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA  22904
mattb...@virginia.edu
 | 434-924-3812

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Meghann Matwichuk
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 8:46 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Media Collection Development Policies

Hello All,

Anyone have theirs at the tip of their fingers, easily shared?  I'm especially 
interested in academic libraries.

Thanks in advance,

*
Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
Associate Librarian
Instructional Media Collection Department
Morris Library, University of Delaware
181 S. College Ave.
Newark, DE 19717
(302) 831-1475
http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Marketing list of librarians?

[Meghann Matwichuk]

I'm guessing that many marketers / distributors create their own lists 
based on listserv postings or by searching media library websites.  I 
don't mind hearing about new materials via email, however I will say 
that receiving multiple (and for some films, I mean upwards of a dozen) 
emails about a given title gets a bit tiresome.  *Especially* when we 
already have that particular title in our collection.  (Although it's 
certainly better to have an inundation of emails than paper postcards / 
fliers!)


Best,

*
Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
Associate Librarian
Instructional Media Collection Department
Morris Library, University of Delaware
181 S. College Ave.
Newark, DE 19717
(302) 831-1475
http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/

On 9/29/2010 10:15 AM, Balducci, Joseph wrote:

I get tons of emails telling me about newly released documentaries. I am 
clearly on some sort of list that marketers use, probably of video/media 
librarians. Can anyone confirm the existence of such a list and does anyone 
know who it is that collects this info or any way to be removed?

Thanks!!
Joe

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.
   
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Marketing list of librarians?

[Jessica Rosner]

I see what you mean. If your name is on a commercial list , you would need
to find the source. I would suggest emailing one of the companies you get an
email from and directly asking them to inform the list provider to remove
you. I have used a bought list and when I get a request for removal I have
forwarded it to the list provider and it does get removed.
In some cases it might be hard for a company to determine which list your
name is from.

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Balducci, Joseph wrote:

> I should have mentioned that. Yes, there is usually an out opt, but you are
> basically opting out of the marketing for that one documentary (sometimes
> for a production company), making it fairly futile.
>
> Mostly curiosity on my part...
>
>
> On 9/29/10 10:24 AM, "Jessica Rosner"  wrote:
>
> There are several list out there, but don't the emails have an opt out at
> the bottom? All commercial emails should include a way to be removed from
> the list.
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Balducci, Joseph 
> wrote:
> I get tons of emails telling me about newly released documentaries. I am
> clearly on some sort of list that marketers use, probably of video/media
> librarians. Can anyone confirm the existence of such a list and does anyone
> know who it is that collects this info or any way to be removed?
>
> Thanks!!
> Joe
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Marketing list of librarians?

[Balducci, Joseph]

I should have mentioned that. Yes, there is usually an out opt, but you are 
basically opting out of the marketing for that one documentary (sometimes for a 
production company), making it fairly futile.

Mostly curiosity on my part...


On 9/29/10 10:24 AM, "Jessica Rosner"  wrote:

There are several list out there, but don't the emails have an opt out at the 
bottom? All commercial emails should include a way to be removed from the list.

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Balducci, Joseph  wrote:
I get tons of emails telling me about newly released documentaries. I am 
clearly on some sort of list that marketers use, probably of video/media 
librarians. Can anyone confirm the existence of such a list and does anyone 
know who it is that collects this info or any way to be removed?

Thanks!!
Joe

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.



VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Marketing list of librarians?

[Jessica Rosner]

There are several list out there, but don't the emails have an opt out at
the bottom? All commercial emails should include a way to be removed from
the list.

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Balducci, Joseph wrote:

> I get tons of emails telling me about newly released documentaries. I am
> clearly on some sort of list that marketers use, probably of video/media
> librarians. Can anyone confirm the existence of such a list and does anyone
> know who it is that collects this info or any way to be removed?
>
> Thanks!!
> Joe
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

[Videolib] Marketing list of librarians?

[Balducci, Joseph]

I get tons of emails telling me about newly released documentaries. I am 
clearly on some sort of list that marketers use, probably of video/media 
librarians. Can anyone confirm the existence of such a list and does anyone 
know who it is that collects this info or any way to be removed?

Thanks!!
Joe

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights

[Ciara Healy]

 Your point about enhancements is similar to textbook enhancements - 
CD-Roms, workbooks etc. Here is a link to the Government Accounting 
Office's report about the tripling of textbook prices: 
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05806.pdf Spoiler: It is due to the 
enhancements and extras that come with the textbooks.


Is there any indication that for face-to-face instruction that these 
enhancements or extras are utilized in class or as part of the 
curriculum? In the case of textbooks, sometimes professors actively use 
the enhancements (for instance test banks, many of which are available 
online via password - streaming, as it were) or assign students to use 
them, while some do not. If I had the choice to purchase a film for 
$100.00 to add to the collection and one for $395.00, I'd select the 
$100.00 cut even if I missed out on the enhancements. Because that means 
I could buy two more titles at that price for the cost of one film with 
enhancement. Perhaps some film/media faculty would make a special 
request for a DVD with extras, but as part of a collection development 
policy, I'd have to say that the most affordable item would be the priority.


On 9/28/2010 2:43 PM, Dennis Doros wrote:

Matt,

The simple answer is this. A DVD is a physical item that you have to 
drop into a player. It is illegal to copy if it's encrypted (in most 
cases). A streaming version is a digital file, and if it's on your 
hard drive, it's literally forever. (Though, of course, this is 
ridiculous because how many people can open files from 1992 even? but 
let's assume a file can migrate over the years.)


As Jessica points out, distributors have limited contracts of usually 
seven to fifteen years, but even more important, livelihoods (and the 
filmmakers') are based on repeated licensing of the same film. That 
was the also case in most leasings of 16mm prints before the video age 
as well, so it's not a new thing. And of course, if you have a digital 
file, you can pass that file on to other hard drives so it's like 
buying ten copies for the price of one. And if you have to stream off 
of the distributor's hard drive, they would be responsible forever to 
make it available to you.


I'm not saying I'm right, but that is the thought process.

And you know, I haven't thought of this before (and this is about us 
feature film distributors at least), but even though you guys have 
bought 16mm prints, then VHS tapes, then DVDs and now possibly 
blu-ray, I can guarantee that with each purchase there was either an 
ease of use or greater quality provided with each purchase over the 
years. With each technology, the buyer has gotten better and better 
film transfers (at least from most of us) and better and better 
context. In the old days, you would get a study guide. Today, you can 
get commentaries by the director, short films that the director did, 
the original script, video interviews of the cast and crew, an essay 
by a esteemed critic, etc. Back in 1965, how many students outside the 
major cities would have had the chance to listen to a number of 
directors talk about his work?


I understand at $395 a crack, those various formats get annoying but 
with a lot of stuff at $9.95, it probably balances out to be pretty 
good overall. I'd love to see what a media library's budget is 
compared to 1970 and what percentage of the overall institution's 
budget would have been compared to today.


Best,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
email: milefi...@gmail.com 
www.milestonefilms.com 
www.ontheboweryfilm.com 
www.arayafilm.com 
www.exilesfilm.com 
www.wordisoutmovie.com 
www.killerofsheep.com 
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Join "Milestone Film" on Facebook!


On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) 
mailto:jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu>> 
wrote:


Hello Everyone,

I’m a bit perplexed by the complex licensing and pricing
structures of streaming rights, and some of the recent talk on
this listserv has helped clarify a question that’s been floating
around my mind for a while, so I figure I’ll pose it to the
collective wisdom.

If I can buy a DVD for, say, $295.00 and I can keep it forever,
and  I’m allowed to do certain things with it to meet the
educational goals of my institution, then why is it different for
a streaming version of the same title?  Some streaming rights have
to be renewed every few years. Or, if there are perpetual rights
they are often priced exorbitantly high.  Doesn’t it make sense to
pay the same price as for a DVD (maybe even less since
manufacturing costs wouldn’t be an issue) and keep it forever,
just like a DVD?  Or even an e-book.  And, as with  an e-book, I
would be bo

[Videolib] Media Collection Development Policies

[Meghann Matwichuk]

Hello All,

Anyone have theirs at the tip of their fingers, easily shared?  I'm 
especially interested in academic libraries.


Thanks in advance,

*
Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
Associate Librarian
Instructional Media Collection Department
Morris Library, University of Delaware
181 S. College Ave.
Newark, DE 19717
(302) 831-1475
http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.