[Videolib] Looking for Common Ground

2011-01-24 Thread Maureen Tripp
A made-for-TV movie about the Boston bussing riots-produced by Lorimar 
Productions in 1990-in 1990-
Any ideas would be much appreciated!

Maureen Tripp
Media Librarian
Iwasaki Library
120 Boylston Street
Boston, MA 02116
maureen_tr...@emerson.edu
(617)824-8407



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Re: [Videolib] Looking for Common Ground

2011-01-24 Thread Jessica Rosner
I don't know anything specific about this title, but old made for TV movies
are particularly hard to track down and often were never released on video
and have not much hope of going to DVD. I do know the Lorimar library is
particularly messed up rights wise.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Maureen Tripp
maureen_tr...@emerson.eduwrote:

  A made-for-TV movie about the Boston bussing riots—produced by Lorimar
 Productions in 1990—in 1990—
 Any ideas would be much appreciated!

 Maureen Tripp
 Media Librarian
 Iwasaki Library
 120 Boylston Street
 Boston, MA 02116
 maureen_tr...@emerson.edu
 (617)824-8407




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-- 
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com
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Re: [Videolib] Films set in Venice

2011-01-24 Thread Cecilia Cygnar
SUMMERTIME, directed by David Lean and starring Katharine Hepburn!
Excellent!  



 

Cecilia Cygnar

AV  Fiction Librarian

Niles Public Library District

Niles, IL 60714

847-663-6616

ccyg...@nileslibrary.org mailto:ccyg...@nileslibrary.org 

 



From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
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Michael
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 4:42 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Films set in Venice

 

Lubitsch's Trouble In Paradise

 

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(jmb4aw)
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 9:11 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Films set in Venice

 

I'll kick off the fun Friday questions today.  I have a professor who's
looking for films set in or featuring Venice.  Any ideas?

 

Cheers,

 

Matt

 



 

Matt Ball
Media and Collections Librarian
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA  22904
mattb...@virginia.edu
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[Videolib] Looking for Black Girl

2011-01-24 Thread Hooper, Lisa K
Hello everyone,

 

I'm trying to locate Ossie Davis's 1972 film Black Girl, a Lee Savin
Productions film. Does any one know if this title is, or has ever been,
commercially available?

 

Thanks!

-lisa

 

Music  Media Librarian

Howard-Tilton Memorial Library

Tulane University

lhoop...@tulane.edu

504.314.7822

 

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Re: [Videolib] FW: Re: Filmakers Library acquired by Alexander Street Press

2011-01-24 Thread Filmakers Library

Hi Gary,
Just to set your mind further at ease Filmakers Library will be  
continuing to acquire quality films as we have for the last 40  
years.  The staff here, Linda Gottesman and Andrea Traubner  and I  
will remain and continue acquisition with the encouragement of ASP.   
Now we can offer filmmakers the added benefit of streaming their  
works as well as DVD sales.,

Sue E. Oscar
Filmakers Library
124 East 40th St
New York, NY 10016
Tel: 212-808-4980
Fax: 212 808-4983
e-mail: i...@filmakers.com
web: www.filmakers.com




On Jan 23, 2011, at 3:59 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:

Fabulous!  Thanks, Eileen, for the clarification.  I'm forwarding  
this on

to the list, per your request.

Makes me breath a bit easier!  I'm still curious about the future of FL
new acquisitions.  Will ASP be taking this over, or just the backlist?

Best,

Gary




Hi, Gary-



I thought this should get an immediate reply, and as it's the  
weekend and
the editors won't see it until Monday, let me send just this  
quickly.  I'm

not on the listserv, so I can't post.



I wonder if someone can hop on to explain that the Filmakers Library
titles
aren't going to be on a streamed-only model.  The videos will  
continue to

be
available, title by title, as DVDs.  No change there.   We're also  
working
on model for streaming individual titles.  Filmakers Library is now  
part

of
Alexander Street Press, but it's there and it's not disappearing, the
Filmakers Library staff are still doing their splendid work with  
community
of film makers, as before.  You ask about the future.  We'll be, as  
you

say,
scouting for new titles.  We expect Filmakers Library to continue to
grow.



Eileen Lawrence

Alexander Street Press







-- Forwarded message --
From: ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
Date: Jan 22, 2011 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Filmakers Library acquired by Alexander Street
Press
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu

Wow

This is not particularly wonderful news, in my book.  I admire ASP,  
but

the business model they've established for video doesn't make my heart
sing.  There are lots of reasons why streamed-only content doesn't  
work
well in academic library contexts, and the model whereby single  
titles are
not available for purchase and licensing is really a serious  
problem as

well. Also, I'm wondering what the future of Filmakers Library new
acquisitions is going to be:  Is ASP simply buying the FL backlist, or
will they actively be scouting for new titles...

Lots of questions.

gary handman




I understand that this was announced at ALA MidWinter last week, but
didn't see anything posted about it here.  I've been off the list  
for a
while, so apologies is this has already been posted or discussed  
here.


Information Today, Inc. had an article on Thursday about Alexander
Street
Press's acquisition of Filmakers Library and new directions the  
company

is
taking the collection.  Read it here:


http://newsbreaks.infotoday.com/NewsBreaks/Streaming-Video-and- 
Music-Develop

ments-at-Alexander-Street-Press-73341.asp


--
deg farrelly, Full Librarian
Mail Code 1006
Arizona State University
P.O. Box 871006
Tempe, AZ 85287
Phone:  480.965.1403
Email:  deg.farre...@asu.edu

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
issues relating to the selection, evaluation,  
acquisition,bibliographic
control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video  
formats in
libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will  
serve
as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a  
channel

of
communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
producers and distributors.





Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself.
--Francois Truffaut



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libraries

and
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an  
effective
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of  
communication

between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
distributors.





Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself.
--Francois Truffaut


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and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It  
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video 

Re: [Videolib] FW: Re: Filmakers Library acquired by Alexander Street Press

2011-01-24 Thread ghandman
Thanks, Sue

I get nervous easily these days.  I like Alexander Street Press,
generally, and think they'll do right by you...IF, as I am reassured, they
will offer streaming of single-titles, rather than requiring the purchase
of whole collections or sub-collections.  I'll be curious to see what the
pricing structure is.

Best to all my FL friends,

Gary Handman



 Hi Gary,
 Just to set your mind further at ease Filmakers Library will be
 continuing to acquire quality films as we have for the last 40
 years.  The staff here, Linda Gottesman and Andrea Traubner  and I
 will remain and continue acquisition with the encouragement of ASP.
 Now we can offer filmmakers the added benefit of streaming their
 works as well as DVD sales.,
 Sue E. Oscar
 Filmakers Library
 124 East 40th St
 New York, NY 10016
 Tel: 212-808-4980
 Fax: 212 808-4983
 e-mail: i...@filmakers.com
 web: www.filmakers.com




 On Jan 23, 2011, at 3:59 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:

 Fabulous!  Thanks, Eileen, for the clarification.  I'm forwarding
 this on
 to the list, per your request.

 Makes me breath a bit easier!  I'm still curious about the future of FL
 new acquisitions.  Will ASP be taking this over, or just the backlist?

 Best,

 Gary



 Hi, Gary-



 I thought this should get an immediate reply, and as it's the
 weekend and
 the editors won't see it until Monday, let me send just this
 quickly.  I'm
 not on the listserv, so I can't post.



 I wonder if someone can hop on to explain that the Filmakers Library
 titles
 aren't going to be on a streamed-only model.  The videos will
 continue to
 be
 available, title by title, as DVDs.  No change there.   We're also
 working
 on model for streaming individual titles.  Filmakers Library is now
 part
 of
 Alexander Street Press, but it's there and it's not disappearing, the
 Filmakers Library staff are still doing their splendid work with
 community
 of film makers, as before.  You ask about the future.  We'll be, as
 you
 say,
 scouting for new titles.  We expect Filmakers Library to continue to
 grow.



 Eileen Lawrence

 Alexander Street Press







 -- Forwarded message --
 From: ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
 Date: Jan 22, 2011 2:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [Videolib] Filmakers Library acquired by Alexander Street
 Press
 To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu

 Wow

 This is not particularly wonderful news, in my book.  I admire ASP,
 but
 the business model they've established for video doesn't make my heart
 sing.  There are lots of reasons why streamed-only content doesn't
 work
 well in academic library contexts, and the model whereby single
 titles are
 not available for purchase and licensing is really a serious
 problem as
 well. Also, I'm wondering what the future of Filmakers Library new
 acquisitions is going to be:  Is ASP simply buying the FL backlist, or
 will they actively be scouting for new titles...

 Lots of questions.

 gary handman



 I understand that this was announced at ALA MidWinter last week, but
 didn't see anything posted about it here.  I've been off the list
 for a
 while, so apologies is this has already been posted or discussed
 here.

 Information Today, Inc. had an article on Thursday about Alexander
 Street
 Press's acquisition of Filmakers Library and new directions the
 company
 is
 taking the collection.  Read it here:


 http://newsbreaks.infotoday.com/NewsBreaks/Streaming-Video-and-
 Music-Develop
 ments-at-Alexander-Street-Press-73341.asp

 --
 deg farrelly, Full Librarian
 Mail Code 1006
 Arizona State University
 P.O. Box 871006
 Tempe, AZ 85287
 Phone:  480.965.1403
 Email:  deg.farre...@asu.edu

 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
 issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
 acquisition,bibliographic
 control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video
 formats in
 libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will
 serve
 as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a
 channel
 of
 communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
 producers and distributors.




 Gary Handman
 Director
 Media Resources Center
 Moffitt Library
 UC Berkeley

 510-643-8566
 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
 http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

 I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself.
 --Francois Truffaut



 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
 issues
 relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
 control,
 preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
 libraries
 and
 related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an
 effective
 working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
 communication
 between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
 distributors.




 Gary Handman
 Director
 Media Resources Center
 Moffitt Library
 UC Berkeley

 510-643-8566
 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
 

Re: [Videolib] Looking for Black Girl

2011-01-24 Thread Jessica Rosner
It was released by Cinerama, which was part of ABC which now part of Disney,
but I have no idea if they still own it and they
clearly have not released it.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Hooper, Lisa K lhoop...@tulane.edu wrote:

 Hello everyone,



 I’m trying to locate Ossie Davis’s 1972 film Black Girl, a Lee Savin
 Productions film. Does any one know if this title is, or has ever been,
 commercially available?



 Thanks!

 -lisa



 Music  Media Librarian

 Howard-Tilton Memorial Library

 Tulane University

 lhoop...@tulane.edu

 504.314.7822



 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
 relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
 preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
 related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
 working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
 between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
 distributors.




-- 
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com
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Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing tech specs for streaming rights

2011-01-24 Thread Susan Weber




I had a computer crash on Fri. so I couldn't answer you sooner.
Meanwhile I've seen some of the other responses.

Jessica, if our college has to digitize (transcode) the item, and store
it on our own server, and deal with our own infrastructure
in order to stream the video, then we ought not to be paying the same
amount as when we are able to link to a
vendor's site, where the video is waiting to be viewed.
It costs staff time to transcode the DVD - it costs staff time to ftp
the file to wherever the server is that will do the
streaming, and it takes staff time manage the server.
If we do all of those things, we ought to be given some consideration
for having done all of the work.

I think your price of $200 per disc, for a 6 year term, if that's what
you're saying, is dependent on the situation. Formulas
may not work in this rapidly changing world. I certainly would not pay
that for a $50 retail video. and we do all the work.
You should be paying us.

As for 6 year, 5 year or perpetual license terms - you know what,
folks? After 5 years, a video may be getting tired, anyway.
Other than classics, which many of us who've been in the biz. a number
of years can name, 5 years is a good run on a documentary.
Being reminded to remove it from your server may be doing you a favor,
to do collection management, and weed out the older content.
We have so many items on our media shelves (yes, we do have a
collection housed separately) that are so old, they should have
been removed 5 years ago, but we never got around to it. So, I'm coming
around to thinking that 5 or 6 years may be an acceptable
term. Hopefully, there would be recourse to renew for another term, if
the item is still being used.

And then there's the issue of server storage space - videos take up a
lot of space, especially if you have chosen a larger format
screen size over the miniature size. We just transcoded a video into
MP4 and it takes up 600 MB of space - it won't take long to
fill up storage space at that rate. So, removing older videos is a good
thing, if lack of use justifies it.

Those are some of my ideas, now that we've begun to wade in the
quagmire of streaming.
Regards,
Susan Weber


Jessica Rosner wrote:
I am working with a number of filmmakers and small
distributors who would like to sell streaming rights for their films.
It is an eclectic group but mostly documentaries
and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming
rights, but some can only sell for their own contract term which is
probably about six years. I should mention some of these films are
institutional only and sell for a few hundred dollars each and others
are available retail for around $30. In most cases PPR rights would
also be included and many of these are films that actually get screened
on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be all over the map these days. I
was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond the current sale price) for
singledisc titles and $300 or more for multi-disc sets. As mentioned
not all of the films will have lifetime rights, but even those for
which the term would only be 6 years would have to be at the same price
point. It would be possible to license a film for less for one
time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as going on
password protected system and accessible only to students or faculty
using them for a specific course.
  
Besides pricing the other big issue is the "access" issue. These
filmmakers do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so
they would be selling a physical DVD for which the institution could
digitize and put on its own system.
  
I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of
you are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films.
  
You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details
etc.
email is jessicapros...@gmail.com
  

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-- 
Susan Weber, Librarian
Langara College, 
100 West 49th Avenue, Vancouver, B.C.  V5Y 2Z6
Tel. 604-323-5533  email: swe...@langara.bc.ca





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Re: [Videolib] FW: Re: Filmakers Library acquired by Alexander Street Press

2011-01-24 Thread Rosen, Rhonda J.
I'm sure there is a collective sigh of relief that FL will stay around!
Rhonda

Rhonda Rosen| Head, Media  Access Services
William H. Hannon Library | Loyola Marymount University
One LMU Drive, MS 8200 | Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659
rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu| 310/338-4584|
http://library.lmu.edu
 You see, I don't believe that libraries should be drab places where people 
sit in silence, and that's been the main reason for our policy of employing 
wild animals as librarians.
--Monty Python
 

 



-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of 
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 1:52 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] FW: Re: Filmakers Library acquired by Alexander Street 
Press

Thanks, Sue

I get nervous easily these days.  I like Alexander Street Press,
generally, and think they'll do right by you...IF, as I am reassured, they
will offer streaming of single-titles, rather than requiring the purchase
of whole collections or sub-collections.  I'll be curious to see what the
pricing structure is.

Best to all my FL friends,

Gary Handman



 Hi Gary,
 Just to set your mind further at ease Filmakers Library will be
 continuing to acquire quality films as we have for the last 40
 years.  The staff here, Linda Gottesman and Andrea Traubner  and I
 will remain and continue acquisition with the encouragement of ASP.
 Now we can offer filmmakers the added benefit of streaming their
 works as well as DVD sales.,
 Sue E. Oscar
 Filmakers Library
 124 East 40th St
 New York, NY 10016
 Tel: 212-808-4980
 Fax: 212 808-4983
 e-mail: i...@filmakers.com
 web: www.filmakers.com




 On Jan 23, 2011, at 3:59 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:

 Fabulous!  Thanks, Eileen, for the clarification.  I'm forwarding
 this on
 to the list, per your request.

 Makes me breath a bit easier!  I'm still curious about the future of FL
 new acquisitions.  Will ASP be taking this over, or just the backlist?

 Best,

 Gary



 Hi, Gary-



 I thought this should get an immediate reply, and as it's the
 weekend and
 the editors won't see it until Monday, let me send just this
 quickly.  I'm
 not on the listserv, so I can't post.



 I wonder if someone can hop on to explain that the Filmakers Library
 titles
 aren't going to be on a streamed-only model.  The videos will
 continue to
 be
 available, title by title, as DVDs.  No change there.   We're also
 working
 on model for streaming individual titles.  Filmakers Library is now
 part
 of
 Alexander Street Press, but it's there and it's not disappearing, the
 Filmakers Library staff are still doing their splendid work with
 community
 of film makers, as before.  You ask about the future.  We'll be, as
 you
 say,
 scouting for new titles.  We expect Filmakers Library to continue to
 grow.



 Eileen Lawrence

 Alexander Street Press







 -- Forwarded message --
 From: ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
 Date: Jan 22, 2011 2:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [Videolib] Filmakers Library acquired by Alexander Street
 Press
 To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu

 Wow

 This is not particularly wonderful news, in my book.  I admire ASP,
 but
 the business model they've established for video doesn't make my heart
 sing.  There are lots of reasons why streamed-only content doesn't
 work
 well in academic library contexts, and the model whereby single
 titles are
 not available for purchase and licensing is really a serious
 problem as
 well. Also, I'm wondering what the future of Filmakers Library new
 acquisitions is going to be:  Is ASP simply buying the FL backlist, or
 will they actively be scouting for new titles...

 Lots of questions.

 gary handman



 I understand that this was announced at ALA MidWinter last week, but
 didn't see anything posted about it here.  I've been off the list
 for a
 while, so apologies is this has already been posted or discussed
 here.

 Information Today, Inc. had an article on Thursday about Alexander
 Street
 Press's acquisition of Filmakers Library and new directions the
 company
 is
 taking the collection.  Read it here:


 http://newsbreaks.infotoday.com/NewsBreaks/Streaming-Video-and-
 Music-Develop
 ments-at-Alexander-Street-Press-73341.asp

 --
 deg farrelly, Full Librarian
 Mail Code 1006
 Arizona State University
 P.O. Box 871006
 Tempe, AZ 85287
 Phone:  480.965.1403
 Email:  deg.farre...@asu.edu

 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
 issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
 acquisition,bibliographic
 control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video
 formats in
 libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will
 serve
 as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a
 channel
 of
 communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
 producers and distributors.




 Gary Handman
 Director
 Media Resources Center
 Moffitt 

Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing tech specs for streaming rights

2011-01-24 Thread Jessica Rosner
Well it is a question of if the titles are ones you would want to stream,
ones that are or would be used in classes. Otherwise it is not worth paying
for the rights whether you do the work or access it. Actually a number of
the films I am talking about are classics ( Chaplin, Melies, Fairbanks)
others are documentaries and a few are fiction features. Most, but not all
can in fact be licensed for screening in perpetuity. One of the things I am
trying to do in encouraging the rights holders I deal with is to accept a
kind of one price fits all model which may not be ideal but the alternative
is a mess. I don't want to be in the position of licensing streaming rights
based on enrollment, amount of use etc. Just as librarians would hate trying
to track that, so would rights holders.
I am not sure why you  would object to paying $200 (or more) for licensing a
title that say costs only $30 for a DVD copy, the point should be how widely
would it be used. If WB said you could license CITIZEN KANE for 6 years or
forever for $200 or $300 bucks but you had to transcode it yourself, I am
guessing it would be worth it. I imagine librarians and instructors
basically have to come up with a formula to decide what  titles are worth
buying streaming rights on based on some estimate of use.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Susan Weber swe...@langara.bc.ca wrote:

  I had a computer crash on Fri. so I couldn't answer you sooner. Meanwhile
 I've seen some of the other responses.

 Jessica, if our college has to digitize (transcode) the item, and store it
 on our own server, and deal with our own infrastructure
 in order to stream the video, then we ought not to be paying the same
 amount as when we are able to link to a
 vendor's site, where the video is waiting to be viewed.
 It costs staff time to transcode the DVD - it costs staff time to ftp the
 file to wherever the server is that will do the
 streaming, and it takes staff time manage the server.
 If we do all of those things, we ought to be given some consideration for
 having done all of the work.

 I think your price of $200 per disc, for a 6 year term, if that's what
 you're saying, is dependent on the situation. Formulas
 may not work in this rapidly changing world.  I certainly would not pay
 that for a $50 retail video. and we do all the work.
 You should be paying us.

 As for 6 year, 5 year or perpetual license terms - you know what, folks?
 After 5 years, a video may be getting tired, anyway.
 Other than classics, which many of us who've been in the biz. a number of
 years can name, 5 years is a good run on a documentary.
 Being reminded to remove it from your server may be doing you a favor, to
 do collection management, and weed out the older content.
 We have so many items on our media shelves (yes, we do have a collection
 housed separately) that are so old, they should have
 been removed 5 years ago, but we never got around to it. So, I'm coming
 around to thinking that 5 or 6 years may be an acceptable
 term.  Hopefully, there would be recourse to renew for another term, if the
 item is still being used.

 And then there's the issue of server storage space - videos take up a lot
 of space, especially if you have chosen a larger format
 screen size over the miniature size.  We just transcoded a video into MP4
 and it takes up 600 MB of space - it won't take long to
 fill up storage space at that rate. So, removing older videos is a good
 thing, if lack of use justifies it.

 Those are some of my ideas, now that we've begun to wade in the quagmire of
 streaming.
 Regards,
 Susan Weber


 Jessica Rosner wrote:

 I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would
 like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but
 mostly documentaries
 and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights,
 but some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about
 six years.  I should mention some of these films are institutional only and
 sell for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for
 around $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of
 these are films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices
 seem to be all over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra
 (beyond the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for
 multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime
 rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have
 to be at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for
 less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as
 going on password protected system and accessible only to students or
 faculty using them for a specific course.

 Besides pricing the other big issue is the access issue. These filmmakers
 do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be
 selling a physical DVD for which 

[Videolib] language from vendors

2011-01-24 Thread Wochna, Lorraine
Hi all,
Out of curiosity, not wanting to open pandoras box (it may be inevitable)

When a vendor (ie, First Run) uses non-theatrical public performance
OR
When a vendor (ie, Film Media Group) uses public performance allowed

how are you defining non-theatrical PPR v. PPR.

thanks,
lorraine wochna
alden library
ohio university
athens OH  45701

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preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.


Re: [Videolib] language from vendors

2011-01-24 Thread Jessica Rosner
I think that is just semantics. Nobody is selling films to theaters for
public performances. That is strictly rental. However MY can of worms is why
so many non theatrical licenses have a limit of 50 people. I have no idea
why that number. I would think it would be great if you get 100 people on a
college campus to see a film. I suspect it is meant to differentiate an
educational showing from one that might be part of regular student film
series, but I have a hard time imagining that is much of an issue these days
with the kind of films that are sold with PPR rights.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Wochna, Lorraine woc...@ohio.edu wrote:

 Hi all,
 Out of curiosity, not wanting to open pandoras box (it may be inevitable)

 When a vendor (ie, First Run) uses non-theatrical public performance
 OR
 When a vendor (ie, Film Media Group) uses public performance allowed

 how are you defining non-theatrical PPR v. PPR.

 thanks,
 lorraine wochna
 alden library
 ohio university
 athens OH  45701

 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
 relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
 preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
 related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
 working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
 between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
 distributors.




-- 
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com
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relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.