Re: [Videolib] Difficulties in obtaining streaming rights

[Dave Dvorchak]

Please send all of these filmmakers my way and I will happily oblige with
16mm and a big screen! I have more and more people pushing DVDs or some
other digital screening method on me when I inquire about showing a print.
Ble.

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Dennis Doros  wrote:

> And if a filmmaker thinks that his or her films should be shown on 16mm or
> 35mm on a big screen rather than at 720 x 486 on a computer screen or
> Iphone, then their wishes should be followed and they themselves should be
> agreeable to accept the loss of revenue.
>



-- 
David Dvorchak
Office Manager
Providence Community Library
ddvorc...@provcomlib.org
(401) 467-2700 x2
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Difficulties in obtaining streaming rights

[Dennis Doros]

Well, of course, I don't think any film is irreplaceable (except Powell and
Pressburger's I KNOW WHERE I'M GOING), but most people with films want to
be found and their films rented. And I don't think you want to give up the
Les Blanks and Frederick Wiseman's of the world who don't believe in giving
up control of their films, right or wrong. The world world would be far
less interesting. And if a filmmaker thinks that his or her films should be
shown on 16mm or 35mm on a big screen rather than at 720 x 486 on a
computer screen or Iphone, then their wishes should be followed and they
themselves should be agreeable to accept the loss of revenue. Films should
be treated like a art rather than a Big Mac. (There are obviously
less-than-artful films and some great hamburgers, but on the whole, I do
believe this.)

But what I do want to say is that this is a new world out there with
streaming. It may seem like this is going to be fought until the last
librarian and last distributor in existence in a post-celluloid
nitrate-imploded world kill each other off with blows to the head using
16mm Goldberg cases, but even the smallest distributors (and I can't
imagine any distributor smaller than us) and filmmakers are dealing with
this change to the digital world. I would encourage working and talking to
them to find accommodation rather than blatantly ripping files and putting
them up without permission. Not only do I truly believe it's illegal (and I
do have a pretty-fair and objective knowledge of fair use and educational
copyright laws) but it's going to be very detrimental for your kind of
films to be made in the future. We spent a lovely day with another (and far
larger) distributor over the weekend and against the backdrop of a
beautiful botanical garden in the Bronx (and there are two of them). we all
agree that the financial rewards of distribution -- which were always
minimal -- are getting slighter and slighter.

-- 
Best regards,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com
Visit our main website!  www.milestonefilms.com
Visit our other websites!  www.comebackafrica.com  www.yougottomove.com
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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
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Re: [Videolib] Difficulties in obtaining streaming rights

[Jessica Rosner]

Trust me I know it is very frustrating, but the fact that you are unable to
get a response or the even more likely scenario that the response is no ( I
am thinking here more of feature films) than you have ask the instructor to
either find another title you can license or presuming the title was
released actually scheduling a screening in a class (The HORROR). As the
aborted fiasco involving google books ( in particular  the project with
Univ. of Michigan) showed just because you can't find the author of a book
does not mean they are not out there or that it is OK to stream it even if
you can't find them. Is it the practice of a library to make copies of out
of print books for every student who needs one or to digitize and put
online for classes any novel, textbook etc that is out o print?

Obviously I have no idea what kind of film(s) you are referring to, as far
as feature films go, I would say  99% of them can be tracked down ,but you
may need to spend a chunk of change to hire an expert to do it. I am
curious how you (or others) would handle the situation where you do reach
the filmmaker/rights holder and they say no. Is it OK then to just stream
their film?

Instructors have to accept that not every film ever made will be available
for use in their class.

I assure it is believe it or not even more difficult on the distributor
end. You can not imagine what goes into acquiring and maintaining rights to
films. Personally I would love for certain filmmakers & rights  holders to
get their "comeuppance" and have their works illegally streamed because
they are too greedy or stupid to license them, but the collateral damage is
pretty much the end of indie film distribution and production ( in which I
include the vast majority of foreign feature films at least for
distribution in the US)


On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Helen P. Mack  wrote:

>  I swear, this whole streaming thing is enough to make me want to retire
> early!
>
> If we are interested in streaming an entire film, what are we supposed to
> do when the source (filmmaker, production co., whatever) has only an online
> presence and is so small that their website indicates no phone # or real
> email address?  I can message them through their website, but if there is
> no response, then what?  Stop and do nothing, even though we have a summer
> session course beginning in a couple of days?  I don't think so.
>
> We want to do things the right way, the legal way, but if there is no one
> to deal with, then all I can do is print out my queries as evidence that I
> have covered my a-- and then we proceed on our own.  And if someone out
> there in the world comes forward and is upset, then I say, "Fine, PLEASE
> let us give you some money."  What alternative is there?
>
> Maybe these little companies should turn over the business side of their
> operation to some larger entity (e.g. Action! Library Media Service,
> Midwest Tape, or someone of that ilk) who can operate efficiently.
> Comments?
>
> On 5/16/2012 12:30 PM, Dennis Doros wrote:
>
> Roger,
>
>  I would still say based on Judith's assessment and looking over a little
> of the decision and the opinions, that Jessica is correct in saying that if
> 100% of a copyrighted material is put up on a University streaming site
> where the rights are readily available, then there is no part of this
> decision that would say it's permissible. And I do believe Jessica is right
> that there are many institutions that are allowing this to happen.
>
>  I would like to remind one and all that we are ALL colleagues in the
> educational field and any direct or indirect insults from anybody on this
> listserv is uncalled for. With Gary heading off to sunsets on the beach
> drinking single-malt scotch after rum toddy chasers (Gary, I'm sure you're
> going to correct me on this!), we should be even more civil.
>
>  And as we are an audiovisual crowd, I like to link my suggestions to
> videos. Here's today's suggested 
> view.
> And please note, this clip is less than 10% of the feature film. ;-)
>
>  Best regards,
> Dennis Doros
> Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
> PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
> Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com
> Visit our main website!  www.milestonefilms.com
> Visit our other websites!  www.comebackafrica.com  www.yougottomove.com
> www.ontheboweryfilm.com  www.arayafilm.com  www.exilesfilm.com
> www.wordisoutmovie.com  www.killerofsheep.com
>
> Support "Milestone Film" on 
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> Archivists and
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> Facebook
>
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> 4-7!
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>
> On Wed, May 16,

Re: [Videolib] Difficulties in obtaining streaming rights

[Evershed, Julie]

I have had some luck in locating the filmmaker on Facebook, and then getting 
the appropriate rights/distributor contact information from that contact. I did 
not have to request that they add me as a friend, I could message them directly 
(but I think that might be a privacy setting, so your mileage may vary).

Julie

~~~
Julie Evershed, Director
Language Resource Center
University of Michigan
North Quad
105 South State Street, #1195
Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1285
phone: (734)764-0424
www.umich.edu/~langres/

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Helen P. Mack
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 3:44 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Difficulties in obtaining streaming rights

I swear, this whole streaming thing is enough to make me want to retire early!

If we are interested in streaming an entire film, what are we supposed to do 
when the source (filmmaker, production co., whatever) has only an online 
presence and is so small that their website indicates no phone # or real email 
address?  I can message them through their website, but if there is no 
response, then what?  Stop and do nothing, even though we have a summer session 
course beginning in a couple of days?  I don't think so.

We want to do things the right way, the legal way, but if there is no one to 
deal with, then all I can do is print out my queries as evidence that I have 
covered my a-- and then we proceed on our own.  And if someone out there in the 
world comes forward and is upset, then I say, "Fine, PLEASE let us give you 
some money."  What alternative is there?

Maybe these little companies should turn over the business side of their 
operation to some larger entity (e.g. Action! Library Media Service, Midwest 
Tape, or someone of that ilk) who can operate efficiently.  Comments?

On 5/16/2012 12:30 PM, Dennis Doros wrote:
Roger,

I would still say based on Judith's assessment and looking over a little of the 
decision and the opinions, that Jessica is correct in saying that if 100% of a 
copyrighted material is put up on a University streaming site where the rights 
are readily available, then there is no part of this decision that would say 
it's permissible. And I do believe Jessica is right that there are many 
institutions that are allowing this to happen.

I would like to remind one and all that we are ALL colleagues in the 
educational field and any direct or indirect insults from anybody on this 
listserv is uncalled for. With Gary heading off to sunsets on the beach 
drinking single-malt scotch after rum toddy chasers (Gary, I'm sure you're 
going to correct me on this!), we should be even more civil.

And as we are an audiovisual crowd, I like to link my suggestions to videos. 
Here's today's suggested view. And 
please note, this clip is less than 10% of the feature film. ;-)

Best regards,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: 
milefi...@gmail.com
Visit our main website!  www.milestonefilms.com
Visit our other websites!  
www.comebackafrica.com  
www.yougottomove.com  
www.ontheboweryfilm.com  
www.arayafilm.com  
www.exilesfilm.com  
www.wordisoutmovie.com  
www.killerofsheep.com

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On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Brown, Roger 
mailto:rbr...@oid.ucla.edu>> wrote:
Thank you Judith. It looks like you read the entire decision (at least, wait 
for it... the good parts) and understand the specifics and the exceptions of 
this particular decision.

Each case is only more case law, not (so far) a definitive decision on fair 
use.  Well-reasoned analyses with a minimum of typographic errors are always 
welcome.


- -

Roger Brown
Manager
UCLA Instructional Media Collections & Services
46 Powell Library
Los Angeles, CA  90095-1517
office: 310-206-1248
fax: 310-206-5392
rbr...@oid.ucla.edu


From: "Shoaf,Judith P" mailto:jsh...@ufl.edu>>
Reply-To: mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:42 PM
To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" 
mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Subjec

Re: [Videolib] Difficulties in obtaining streaming rights

[ghandman]

Well...at present there are two alternatives, and really two only

1.  Throw up your hands and find another film...assuming that streaming
without permission or license does not stand up to fair use tests or your
institution's tolerance for risk...

or

2.  Cast your lots with the risk-tolerant and UCLA and go to the liberal
interpretation battlements by streaming first and asking questions later.

Gary Handman

Blanton Reserve (that's bourbon, son) with two cubes maximum, Dennis. 
Although I have never in my life turned down a glass of single-malt.




> I swear, this whole streaming thing is enough to make me want to retire
> early!
>
> If we are interested in streaming an entire film, what are we supposed
> to do when the source (filmmaker, production co., whatever) has only an
> online presence and is so small that their website indicates no phone #
> or real email address?  I can message them through their website, but if
> there is no response, then what?  Stop and do nothing, even though we
> have a summer session course beginning in a couple of days?  I don't
> think so.
>
> We want to do things the right way, the legal way, but if there is no
> one to deal with, then all I can do is print out my queries as evidence
> that I have covered my a-- and then we proceed on our own.  And if
> someone out there in the world comes forward and is upset, then I say,
> "Fine, PLEASE let us give you some money."  What alternative is there?
>
> Maybe these little companies should turn over the business side of their
> operation to some larger entity (e.g. Action! Library Media Service,
> Midwest Tape, or someone of that ilk) who can operate efficiently.
> Comments?
>
> On 5/16/2012 12:30 PM, Dennis Doros wrote:
>> Roger,
>>
>> I would still say based on Judith's assessment and looking over a
>> little of the decision and the opinions, that Jessica is correct in
>> saying that if 100% of a copyrighted material is put up on a
>> University streaming site where the rights are readily available, then
>> there is no part of this decision that would say it's permissible. And
>> I do believe Jessica is right that there are many institutions that
>> are allowing this to happen.
>>
>> I would like to remind one and all that we are ALL colleagues in the
>> educational field and any direct or indirect insults from anybody on
>> this listserv is uncalled for. With Gary heading off to sunsets on the
>> beach drinking single-malt scotch after rum toddy chasers (Gary, I'm
>> sure you're going to correct me on this!), we should be even more civil.
>>
>> And as we are an audiovisual crowd, I like to link my suggestions to
>> videos. Here's today's suggested view
>> . And please note, this
>> clip is less than 10% of the feature film. ;-)
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Dennis Doros
>> Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
>> PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
>> Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Visit our main website! www.milestonefilms.com
>> 
>> Visit our other websites! www.comebackafrica.com
>>  www.yougottomove.com
>>  www.ontheboweryfilm.com
>>  www.arayafilm.com
>>  www.exilesfilm.com
>>  www.wordisoutmovie.com
>>  www.killerofsheep.com
>> 
>>
>> Support "Milestone Film" on Facebook
>>  and Twitter
>> !
>> See the website: Association of Moving Image Archivists
>>  and like them on Facebook
>> 
>>
>> AMIA 2012 Conference, Seattle, WA, December 4-7!
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Brown, Roger > > wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Judith. It looks like you read the entire decision (at
>> least, wait for it... the good parts) and understand the specifics
>> and the exceptions of this particular decision.
>>
>> Each case is only more case law, not (so far) a definitive
>> decision on fair use.  Well-reasoned analyses with a minimum of
>> typographic errors are always welcome.
>>
>>
>> - -
>>
>> Roger Brown
>> Manager
>> UCLA Instructional Media Collections & Services
>> 46 Powell Library
>> Los Angeles, CA  90095-1517
>> office: 310-206-1248 
>> fax: 310-206-5392 
>> rbr...@oid.ucla.edu 
>>
>>
>> From: "Shoaf,Judith P" mailto:jsh...@ufl.edu>>
>> Reply-To: > >
>> Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:42 PM
>> To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> 

Re: [Videolib] Difficulties in obtaining streaming rights

[Camille Walker]

If you want to know more about streaming rights, attend the one-day session
for only $200, Thursday, June 7th at the CIP Biennial Symposium in
Baltimore, MD and hear keynote speaker Peggy Hoon discuss  "The Elephant In
The Room:  Copyright and Digitization Projects."   Plus you can attend a
full-day of session and panel discussions.
Register
today.



Camille Walker





*From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Helen P. Mack
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 16, 2012 3:44 PM
*To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
*Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Difficulties in obtaining streaming rights



I swear, this whole streaming thing is enough to make me want to retire
early!

If we are interested in streaming an entire film, what are we supposed to
do when the source (filmmaker, production co., whatever) has only an online
presence and is so small that their website indicates no phone # or real
email address?  I can message them through their website, but if there is
no response, then what?  Stop and do nothing, even though we have a summer
session course beginning in a couple of days?  I don't think so.

We want to do things the right way, the legal way, but if there is no one
to deal with, then all I can do is print out my queries as evidence that I
have covered my a-- and then we proceed on our own.  And if someone out
there in the world comes forward and is upset, then I say, "Fine, PLEASE
let us give you some money."  What alternative is there?

Maybe these little companies should turn over the business side of their
operation to some larger entity (e.g. Action! Library Media Service,
Midwest Tape, or someone of that ilk) who can operate efficiently.
Comments?

On 5/16/2012 12:30 PM, Dennis Doros wrote:

Roger,



I would still say based on Judith's assessment and looking over a little of
the decision and the opinions, that Jessica is correct in saying that if
100% of a copyrighted material is put up on a University streaming site
where the rights are readily available, then there is no part of this
decision that would say it's permissible. And I do believe Jessica is right
that there are many institutions that are allowing this to happen.



I would like to remind one and all that we are ALL colleagues in the
educational field and any direct or indirect insults from anybody on this
listserv is uncalled for. With Gary heading off to sunsets on the beach
drinking single-malt scotch after rum toddy chasers (Gary, I'm sure you're
going to correct me on this!), we should be even more civil.



And as we are an audiovisual crowd, I like to link my suggestions to
videos. Here's today's suggested
view.
And please note, this clip is less than 10% of the feature film. ;-)



Best regards,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com
Visit our main website!  www.milestonefilms.com

Visit our other websites!  www.comebackafrica.com  www.yougottomove.com
www.ontheboweryfilm.com  www.arayafilm.com  www.exilesfilm.com
www.wordisoutmovie.com  www.killerofsheep.com


Support "Milestone Film" on
Facebook
 and Twitter !

See the website: Association of Moving Image
Archivists and
like them on 
Facebook



AMIA 2012 Conference, Seattle, WA, December 4-7!





On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Brown, Roger  wrote:

Thank you Judith. It looks like you read the entire decision (at least,
wait for it... the good parts) and understand the specifics and the
exceptions of this particular decision.



Each case is only more case law, not (so far) a definitive decision on fair
use.  Well-reasoned analyses with a minimum of typographic errors are
always welcome.





- -



Roger Brown

Manager

UCLA Instructional Media Collections & Services

46 Powell Library

Los Angeles, CA  90095-1517

office: 310-206-1248

fax: 310-206-5392

rbr...@oid.ucla.edu





*From: *"Shoaf,Judith P" 
*Reply-To: *
*Date: *Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:42 PM
*To: *"videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" 
*Subject: *Re: [Videolib] Permissible amounts in fair use



I once took that personality test online and it said I am most like Lucy in
Peanuts. My husband, who is most like Schroeder, doesn’t let me forget it.
Nickels welcome.



Judge Evans talks about the Kinko’s and Michigan Documents cases, and
disagrees about the “good parts” argument. In only one of the cases she
considers does she say that the excerpt constituted “the heart of the
work.” I’m not sure whether this is because a plaintiff argued it or it was
her own analysis.



NB she looks at 74 cases, of which 27 fail 

Re: [Videolib] Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries

[Jessica Rosner]

Nahum,
If you choose to sell home use copies it is pretty much impossible to
prevent it from being used in a class. The only way around this is
have everyone who purchases a copy agree in writing that the film IS for
their own personal use and can not be used in a class, resold etc. This
becomes a contract and overrides copyright law, but likely a bitch to
enforce. As for screeners the best thing is to have "real" screeners that
in fact say "SCREENER " right on the screen in such a way as to make them
not very desirable for any exhibition, but again if you choose to send one
to a professor in particular it is best to protect yourself by having them
sign ( I think and email  would be legally sufficient) saying that it is
for preview use only, will NOT be used in a class and will be promptly
returned.

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:23 PM, nahum laufer wrote:

> I didn't see this posted on Videolib
> My problem is a practical one not theoretic legal query on fair use
>
> -Original Message-
> From: nahum laufer [mailto:lauf...@netvision.net.il]
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 10:24 PM
> To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu'
> Cc: 'bgri...@ci.glendale.ca.us'
> Subject: RE:Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries
>
>   3. Re: Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in   Libraries
>
> Hi All
> I have a problem as a distributer of documentaries.
> A DVD is just a piece of metal, a big TV station pays more then a small
> cable TV, Libraries pay us $500 for a screening  for entrance paying
> audiences, Only $250 for PPR for non paying audiences, $175 for University
> library use, from this we all can deduct and agree on that what we are
> selling is Screening rights not DVDs.
> I'm not interested in selling "Home Video", so if somebody asks for a film
> I
> ask for $50 + $6 (Shipping) so  as to deter the nudniks,   most don't care
> to return, but if he is a grandchild of a passenger on the Darien he will
> buy "The Darien Dilemma" .
>
> This week I received a request from a University Professor for one of our
> films to purchase as Home Video, I know he learnt about the film from a
> forward from the University library my problem is should I sell it and then
> he can use it in class in "face to face" screening or should I prefer to
> send him a free preview hoping the University library will then purchase
> it,
> or maybe as he received the preview legally he can still use it in a
> classroom in "face to face " situation?
>
> Nahum Laufer
> http://docsforeducation.com/
> http://onedayafterpeace.com/
> Sales
> Docs for Education
> Erez Laufer Films
> Holland st 10
> Afulla 18371
> Israel
>
>
>
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 09:39:05 -0700
> From: "cc Practices in the Fair Use of Video
>in  Libraries
> To: 
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi all!
>
> Does anyone know if any *public* librarians were contacted/consulted for
> this? Our concerns and usages are quite different, after all . . .
>
> Bryan Griest
>
> Glendale Public Library
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Difficulties in obtaining streaming rights

[Helen P. Mack]

I swear, this whole streaming thing is enough to make me want to retire 
early!


If we are interested in streaming an entire film, what are we supposed 
to do when the source (filmmaker, production co., whatever) has only an 
online presence and is so small that their website indicates no phone # 
or real email address?  I can message them through their website, but if 
there is no response, then what?  Stop and do nothing, even though we 
have a summer session course beginning in a couple of days?  I don't 
think so.


We want to do things the right way, the legal way, but if there is no 
one to deal with, then all I can do is print out my queries as evidence 
that I have covered my a-- and then we proceed on our own.  And if 
someone out there in the world comes forward and is upset, then I say, 
"Fine, PLEASE let us give you some money."  What alternative is there?


Maybe these little companies should turn over the business side of their 
operation to some larger entity (e.g. Action! Library Media Service, 
Midwest Tape, or someone of that ilk) who can operate efficiently.  
Comments?


On 5/16/2012 12:30 PM, Dennis Doros wrote:

Roger,

I would still say based on Judith's assessment and looking over a 
little of the decision and the opinions, that Jessica is correct in 
saying that if 100% of a copyrighted material is put up on a 
University streaming site where the rights are readily available, then 
there is no part of this decision that would say it's permissible. And 
I do believe Jessica is right that there are many institutions that 
are allowing this to happen.


I would like to remind one and all that we are ALL colleagues in the 
educational field and any direct or indirect insults from anybody on 
this listserv is uncalled for. With Gary heading off to sunsets on the 
beach drinking single-malt scotch after rum toddy chasers (Gary, I'm 
sure you're going to correct me on this!), we should be even more civil.


And as we are an audiovisual crowd, I like to link my suggestions to 
videos. Here's today's suggested view 
. And please note, this 
clip is less than 10% of the feature film. ;-)


Best regards,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com 

Visit our main website! www.milestonefilms.com 

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On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Brown, Roger > wrote:


Thank you Judith. It looks like you read the entire decision (at
least, wait for it... the good parts) and understand the specifics
and the exceptions of this particular decision.

Each case is only more case law, not (so far) a definitive
decision on fair use.  Well-reasoned analyses with a minimum of
typographic errors are always welcome.


- -

Roger Brown
Manager
UCLA Instructional Media Collections & Services
46 Powell Library
Los Angeles, CA  90095-1517
office: 310-206-1248 
fax: 310-206-5392 
rbr...@oid.ucla.edu 


From: "Shoaf,Judith P" mailto:jsh...@ufl.edu>>
Reply-To: mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:42 PM
To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
" mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Permissible amounts in fair use

I once took that personality test online and it said I am most
like Lucy in Peanuts. My husband, who is most like Schroeder,
doesn't let me forget it. Nickels welcome.

Judge Evans talks about the Kinko's and Michigan Documents cases,
and disagrees about the "good parts" argument. In only one of the
cases she considers does she say that the excerpt constituted "the
heart of the work." I'm not sure whether this is because a
plaintiff argued it or it was her own analysis.

NB she looks at 74 cases, of which 27 fail the prima facie
copyright violation test because either the plaintiffs were not
able to show they had t

Re: [Videolib] Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries

[nahum laufer]

I didn't see this posted on Videolib
My problem is a practical one not theoretic legal query on fair use

-Original Message-
From: nahum laufer [mailto:lauf...@netvision.net.il] 
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 10:24 PM
To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu'
Cc: 'bgri...@ci.glendale.ca.us'
Subject: RE:Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries 

   3. Re: Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in   Libraries
  
Hi All
I have a problem as a distributer of documentaries.
A DVD is just a piece of metal, a big TV station pays more then a small
cable TV, Libraries pay us $500 for a screening  for entrance paying
audiences, Only $250 for PPR for non paying audiences, $175 for University
library use, from this we all can deduct and agree on that what we are
selling is Screening rights not DVDs.
I'm not interested in selling "Home Video", so if somebody asks for a film I
ask for $50 + $6 (Shipping) so  as to deter the nudniks,   most don't care
to return, but if he is a grandchild of a passenger on the Darien he will
buy "The Darien Dilemma" .

This week I received a request from a University Professor for one of our
films to purchase as Home Video, I know he learnt about the film from a
forward from the University library my problem is should I sell it and then
he can use it in class in "face to face" screening or should I prefer to
send him a free preview hoping the University library will then purchase it,
or maybe as he received the preview legally he can still use it in a
classroom in "face to face " situation?
 
Nahum Laufer
http://docsforeducation.com/
http://onedayafterpeace.com/
Sales
Docs for Education
Erez Laufer Films
Holland st 10 
Afulla 18371
Israel




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Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 09:39:05 -0700
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Hi all!

Does anyone know if any *public* librarians were contacted/consulted for
this? Our concerns and usages are quite different, after all . . .

Bryan Griest

Glendale Public Library






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relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
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Re: [Videolib] Permissible amounts in fair use

[Jessica Rosner]

Hey look we can (mostly) agree. I don't think the term "theatrical" is the
best one. Keep in mind the UCLA case was based mainly on 3 hour plus BBC
Shakespeare production. It is again a question of how much of a work is
used and works that are "creative" ( usually but not always fiction) have
always  enjoyed significantly more protection on the amount used in "fair
use" cases.

However you can't really force a rights holder to make a work available for
streaming or lose the rights. I do not believe that is what Judge Evans
said that and it absolutely would not hold up legally.

Believe it or not I think we are on the same side. If I did not have
personal knowledge of many institutions that are in fact streaming whole
feature films without a license I  would not freak out. Academic
discussions are fun, having your work ripped off is not. I certainly think
the major rights holders need a big push to
make their collections available. As Dennis and I have often pointed out
there are  a lot of legal issues with foreign films in particular that make
many of them
unavailable for streaming. There should be a joint effort by the academic
and media community to get as many titles as possible available, but with
an increasing number of institutions illegally streaming I remain a bit of
cynic.

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Shoaf,Judith P  wrote:

>  I agree that this decision (or any decision on record) cannot be used in
> any way to justify freely streaming theatrical films, and any impact it has
> would be negative. It is certainly interesting to think about the UCLA
> situation in the context of Judge Evans’s comments, and I imagine the UCLA
> lawyers are doing so; basically they just lost Section 107 as a defense. I
> would not preclude the possibility that other arguments can conceivably be
> made. If I seemed to be making such arguments, it was purely speculative.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Judge Evans weighed every single example very carefully, and none of the
> examples involved theatrical films. A comparable analysis of Factor 3 for a
> movie might look, for example, at dramatic units (scenes), or even
>  “chapters” of a DVD as well as percentages of the whole. But availability
> of permissions is also an issue which Judge Evans addressed re. Factor 4.
> The CCC provides a tool for getting textual permissions for scholarly
> publishing. However, the constant questions on this list as to who has
> which rights for which film illustrate that Factor 4 can be a mare’s nest
> when one is dealing with film. On the other hand, distributors like
> Milestone make Factor 4 a breeze for libraries. 
>
>  
>
> Judy
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Doros
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:30 PM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Permissible amounts in fair use
>
> ** **
>
> Roger,
>
> ** **
>
> I would still say based on Judith's assessment and looking over a little
> of the decision and the opinions, that Jessica is correct in saying that if
> 100% of a copyrighted material is put up on a University streaming site
> where the rights are readily available, then there is no part of this
> decision that would say it's permissible. And I do believe Jessica is right
> that there are many institutions that are allowing this to happen.
>
> ** **
>
> I would like to remind one and all that we are ALL colleagues in the
> educational field and any direct or indirect insults from anybody on this
> listserv is uncalled for. With Gary heading off to sunsets on the beach
> drinking single-malt scotch after rum toddy chasers (Gary, I'm sure you're
> going to correct me on this!), we should be even more civil.
>
> ** **
>
> And as we are an audiovisual crowd, I like to link my suggestions to
> videos. Here's today's suggested 
> view.
> And please note, this clip is less than 10% of the feature film. ;-)
>
> ** **
>
> Best regards,
> Dennis Doros
> Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
> PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
> Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com
> Visit our main website!  www.milestonefilms.com
>
> Visit our other websites!  www.comebackafrica.com  www.yougottomove.com
> www.ontheboweryfilm.com  www.arayafilm.com  www.exilesfilm.com
> www.wordisoutmovie.com  www.killerofsheep.com
>
>
> Support "Milestone Film" on 
> Facebook
>  and Twitter !
>
> See the website: Association of Moving Image 
> Archivists and
> like them on 
> Facebook
> 
>
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> 4-7!
> 
>
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Re: [Videolib] Permissible amounts in fair use

[Shoaf,Judith P]

I agree that this decision (or any decision on record) cannot be used in any 
way to justify freely streaming theatrical films, and any impact it has would 
be negative. It is certainly interesting to think about the UCLA situation in 
the context of Judge Evans's comments, and I imagine the UCLA lawyers are doing 
so; basically they just lost Section 107 as a defense. I would not preclude the 
possibility that other arguments can conceivably be made. If I seemed to be 
making such arguments, it was purely speculative.

Judge Evans weighed every single example very carefully, and none of the 
examples involved theatrical films. A comparable analysis of Factor 3 for a 
movie might look, for example, at dramatic units (scenes), or even  "chapters" 
of a DVD as well as percentages of the whole. But availability of permissions 
is also an issue which Judge Evans addressed re. Factor 4. The CCC provides a 
tool for getting textual permissions for scholarly publishing. However, the 
constant questions on this list as to who has which rights for which film 
illustrate that Factor 4 can be a mare's nest when one is dealing with film. On 
the other hand, distributors like Milestone make Factor 4 a breeze for 
libraries.

Judy


From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis Doros
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:30 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Permissible amounts in fair use

Roger,

I would still say based on Judith's assessment and looking over a little of the 
decision and the opinions, that Jessica is correct in saying that if 100% of a 
copyrighted material is put up on a University streaming site where the rights 
are readily available, then there is no part of this decision that would say 
it's permissible. And I do believe Jessica is right that there are many 
institutions that are allowing this to happen.

I would like to remind one and all that we are ALL colleagues in the 
educational field and any direct or indirect insults from anybody on this 
listserv is uncalled for. With Gary heading off to sunsets on the beach 
drinking single-malt scotch after rum toddy chasers (Gary, I'm sure you're 
going to correct me on this!), we should be even more civil.

And as we are an audiovisual crowd, I like to link my suggestions to videos. 
Here's today's suggested view. And 
please note, this clip is less than 10% of the feature film. ;-)

Best regards,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: 
milefi...@gmail.com
Visit our main website!  www.milestonefilms.com
Visit our other websites!  
www.comebackafrica.com  
www.yougottomove.com  
www.ontheboweryfilm.com  
www.arayafilm.com  
www.exilesfilm.com  
www.wordisoutmovie.com  
www.killerofsheep.com

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Facebook and 
Twitter!
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On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Brown, Roger 
mailto:rbr...@oid.ucla.edu>> wrote:
Thank you Judith. It looks like you read the entire decision (at least, wait 
for it... the good parts) and understand the specifics and the exceptions of 
this particular decision.

Each case is only more case law, not (so far) a definitive decision on fair 
use.  Well-reasoned analyses with a minimum of typographic errors are always 
welcome.


- -

Roger Brown
Manager
UCLA Instructional Media Collections & Services
46 Powell Library
Los Angeles, CA  90095-1517
office: 310-206-1248
fax: 310-206-5392
rbr...@oid.ucla.edu


From: "Shoaf,Judith P" mailto:jsh...@ufl.edu>>
Reply-To: mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:42 PM
To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" 
mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Permissible amounts in fair use

I once took that personality test online and it said I am most like Lucy in 
Peanuts. My husband, who is most like Schroeder, doesn't let me forget it. 
Nickels welcome.

Judge Evans talks about the Kinko's and Michigan Documents cases, and disagrees 
about the "good parts" argument. In only one of the cases she considers does 
she say that the excerpt constituted "the heart of the work." I'm not sure 
whether this is because a plaintiff 

Re: [Videolib] Permissible amounts in fair use

[Dennis Doros]

Roger,

I would still say based on Judith's assessment and looking over a little of
the decision and the opinions, that Jessica is correct in saying that if
100% of a copyrighted material is put up on a University streaming site
where the rights are readily available, then there is no part of this
decision that would say it's permissible. And I do believe Jessica is right
that there are many institutions that are allowing this to happen.

I would like to remind one and all that we are ALL colleagues in the
educational field and any direct or indirect insults from anybody on this
listserv is uncalled for. With Gary heading off to sunsets on the beach
drinking single-malt scotch after rum toddy chasers (Gary, I'm sure you're
going to correct me on this!), we should be even more civil.

And as we are an audiovisual crowd, I like to link my suggestions to
videos. Here's today's suggested
view.
And please note, this clip is less than 10% of the feature film. ;-)

Best regards,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com
Visit our main website!  www.milestonefilms.com
Visit our other websites!  www.comebackafrica.com  www.yougottomove.com
www.ontheboweryfilm.com  www.arayafilm.com  www.exilesfilm.com
www.wordisoutmovie.com  www.killerofsheep.com

Support "Milestone Film" on
Facebook
 and Twitter !
See the website: Association of Moving Image
Archivists and
like them on 
Facebook

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On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Brown, Roger  wrote:

>   Thank you Judith. It looks like you read the entire decision (at least,
> wait for it... the good parts) and understand the specifics and the
> exceptions of this particular decision.
>
>  Each case is only more case law, not (so far) a definitive decision on
> fair use.  Well-reasoned analyses with a minimum of typographic errors are
> always welcome.
>
>
>  - -
>
>  Roger Brown
> Manager
> UCLA Instructional Media Collections & Services
> 46 Powell Library
> Los Angeles, CA  90095-1517
> office: 310-206-1248
> fax: 310-206-5392
> rbr...@oid.ucla.edu
>
>
>   From: "Shoaf,Judith P" 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:42 PM
> To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" 
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Permissible amounts in fair use
>
>   I once took that personality test online and it said I am most like
> Lucy in Peanuts. My husband, who is most like Schroeder, doesn’t let me
> forget it. Nickels welcome.
>
> ** **
>
> Judge Evans talks about the Kinko’s and Michigan Documents cases, and
> disagrees about the “good parts” argument. In only one of the cases she
> considers does she say that the excerpt constituted “the heart of the
> work.” I’m not sure whether this is because a plaintiff argued it or it was
> her own analysis. 
>
> ** **
>
> NB she looks at 74 cases, of which 27 fail the prima facie copyright
> violation test because either the plaintiffs were not able to show they had
> the rights, or else the excerpt was never accessed by students (e.g. the
> course was cancelled). So there are 47 cases where she looks at fair use.
> In 100% of them she considered that the library providing free access to
> the excerpts (factor 1) strongly favored the defendants, and that the
> nature of the works (scholarship relevant to the courses) favored the
> defendants (factor 2). In the 5 cases where she found violations, factor 3
> had to favor the plaintiffs (that is, the amount had to be more than
> “distinctly small”) AND factor 4 had to strongly favor the plaintiffs (not
> only was permission available in a reasonably convenient way, but the book
> in question actually made money on such permissions).
>
> ** **
>
> There is no 10% rule. The rule is that an amount under 10% of a book with
> fewer than 10 chapters, or one chapter of a book with more than 10
> chapters, is “distinctly small.” So in some cases 5% of a book could be
> more than a distinctly small portion (if it was a huge book with many
> chapters). I suppose that if you had a book with 12 chapters, and one
> chapter took up 20% of the book, that chapter could be used and still be
> “distinctly small.” 
>
> ** **
>
> But if the permission is difficult to come by, the amount is irrelevant.
> In 13 cases, factor 3 favored or even (in one case—30% of the book!)
> strongly favored the plaintiffs but the judge found for the defendants
> based on factor 4..
>
> ** **
>
> I shall now go fly a kite into the kite-eating tree.
>
> ** **
>
> Judy Shoaf
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> 
>
> Good points -- I see anoth

Re: [Videolib] Permissible amounts in fair use

[Brown, Roger]

Thank you Judith. It looks like you read the entire decision (at least, wait 
for it... the good parts) and understand the specifics and the exceptions of 
this particular decision.

Each case is only more case law, not (so far) a definitive decision on fair 
use.  Well-reasoned analyses with a minimum of typographic errors are always 
welcome.


- -

Roger Brown
Manager
UCLA Instructional Media Collections & Services
46 Powell Library
Los Angeles, CA  90095-1517
office: 310-206-1248
fax: 310-206-5392
rbr...@oid.ucla.edu


From: "Shoaf,Judith P" mailto:jsh...@ufl.edu>>
Reply-To: mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:42 PM
To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" 
mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Permissible amounts in fair use

I once took that personality test online and it said I am most like Lucy in 
Peanuts. My husband, who is most like Schroeder, doesn’t let me forget it. 
Nickels welcome.

Judge Evans talks about the Kinko’s and Michigan Documents cases, and disagrees 
about the “good parts” argument. In only one of the cases she considers does 
she say that the excerpt constituted “the heart of the work.” I’m not sure 
whether this is because a plaintiff argued it or it was her own analysis.

NB she looks at 74 cases, of which 27 fail the prima facie copyright violation 
test because either the plaintiffs were not able to show they had the rights, 
or else the excerpt was never accessed by students (e.g. the course was 
cancelled). So there are 47 cases where she looks at fair use. In 100% of them 
she considered that the library providing free access to the excerpts (factor 
1) strongly favored the defendants, and that the nature of the works 
(scholarship relevant to the courses) favored the defendants (factor 2). In the 
5 cases where she found violations, factor 3 had to favor the plaintiffs (that 
is, the amount had to be more than “distinctly small”) AND factor 4 had to 
strongly favor the plaintiffs (not only was permission available in a 
reasonably convenient way, but the book in question actually made money on such 
permissions).

There is no 10% rule. The rule is that an amount under 10% of a book with fewer 
than 10 chapters, or one chapter of a book with more than 10 chapters, is 
“distinctly small.” So in some cases 5% of a book could be more than a 
distinctly small portion (if it was a huge book with many chapters). I suppose 
that if you had a book with 12 chapters, and one chapter took up 20% of the 
book, that chapter could be used and still be “distinctly small.”

But if the permission is difficult to come by, the amount is irrelevant. In 13 
cases, factor 3 favored or even (in one case—30% of the book!) strongly favored 
the plaintiffs but the judge found for the defendants based on factor 4..

I shall now go fly a kite into the kite-eating tree.

Judy Shoaf




Good points -- I see another healthy debate on the horizon. Hold football for 
Lucy, hope for the best, rinse, repeat.

If I'm not mistaken it was the Kinko's case here in Ann Arbor, where some of 
these specific percentages were discussed. I think the prof. had copied 30-40% 
of a book, but the additional argument that had some substance centered not so 
much on the large percentage but that the "good parts" were primarily what was 
copied. "Good parts" > core > substantive argument, etc. Qualitative, not 
quantitative. At any rate, it seems to me that stating something as exact as 
10% is an effort in futility -- doesn't that miss a lot of the point, even 
though it is one part of the fair use review?  (disclosure: I have not read 
even 1% of the decision yet, so I shan't go opinionating beyond this little 
wondering!).

Randal Baier
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Re: [Videolib] Permissible amounts in fair use / LexisNexis search for cite(17 uscs sec.107)

[Cathy Michael]

Hi, all.  I meant to demo this search in the Media Resource Discussion
Group virtual meeting in January but you can get the House Report
94-1476easily through LexisNexis Academic search if you subscribe.  It
is not
binding law but it is a directive that tries to quantify.  Here is my
screencast: 
http://screencast.com/t/B6skwo7zGV<%20http://screencast.com/t/B6skwo7zGV>--
Cathy

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 2:31 PM,  wrote:

> yeah!  Remember that the CCUMC/CONFU Fair Use Guidelines for Educational
> Multimedia years back attempted to quantify.  ALA and other participants
> in the drafting process pretty much refused to sign on because of these
> attempts and I think it's a good stand to to stand by.  Quantifying fair
> use is a nasty slippery slope, indeed!
>
> Gary Handman
>
>
> > Jessica
> >
> > This is patently NOT TRUE.  US copyright law identifies amount  as one of
> > the four factors in determining whether a use is fair use, but it has
> > NEVER specified that only the smallest possible amount is permissible.
> >
> > deg
> >
> > deg farrelly
> > ASU Libraries
> > Arizona State University
> > P.O. Box 871006
> > Tempe, Arizona  85287-1006
> > 480.965.1403
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 22:03:11 -0400
> > From: Jessica Rosner 
> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Another code of best practices document...
> >
> > The Georgia State ruling merely reinforces what has always been true
> about
> > "fair use" that it is for using the smallest possible portion of a work
> to
> > create a new one.
> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel
> of
> > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> > producers and distributors.
> >
>
>
> Gary Handman
> Director
> Media Resources Center
> Moffitt Library
> UC Berkeley
>
> 510-643-8566
> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>
> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> --Francois Truffaut
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
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> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>



-- 
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[Videolib] 16mm xenon projectors

[Dave Dvorchak]

Wondering if any libraries out there have any 16mm xenon (not the usual
halogen) projectors that they no longer use. I'd like to upgrade ours.

Thanks,
Dave

-- 
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Office Manager
Providence Community Library
ddvorc...@provcomlib.org
(401) 467-2700 x2
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distributors.

[Videolib] Anatomy TV

[Elizabeth Yates]

Hi Cindy and all,
We looked at Anatomy TV and a few other online 3-D anatomy resources a few 
months ago. A group of anatomy faculty members here did not like it for a few 
reasons: they said it contains errors, the images are schematic versus 
realistic, and that students get distracted by the funky 3-D features and don't 
use them for learning.

We ended up going with a rather low-tech but high-quality interactive resource 
called Winking Skull:

https://www.winkingskull.com/default.aspx

It's much cheaper than the other products we were looking at and includes a 
section for faculty members to access teaching materials. So far, uptake hasn't 
been huge but we hope to begin promoting it more as undergrads arrive in the 
fall.

Hope this helps. I'd be happy to share my chart outlining the anatomy tools we 
looked at if you'd like.
Cheers,
Elizabeth

Elizabeth Yates, MLIS
Special Projects
Health Sciences Library, McMaster University
905-525-9140, ext. 22728
yat...@mcmaster.ca
e-portfolio: elizabethyates.wordpress.com



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