Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational Availability

[Kristin Cooney]

This is great everyone! We’ve actually been in talks with the filmmakers from 
Audrie and Daisy since before the premiere at Sundance, trying to advocate for 
Edu. We even got close to arranging something with Netflix after the Originals 
deal was done, so it will be wonderful to be able to show them this type of 
demand.

Once something is drafted, I’d be happy to share with the filmmakers directly 
as well, since they too have been trying to work something out with Netflix to 
bring A & D to the educational market in a meaningful way (beyond individual 
and private classroom use).

Thanks,

Kristin


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On Dec 2, 2016, at 2:18 PM, meredith miller  
wrote:

> Meghann,
> 
> Of course. I can absolutely facilitate. 
> 
> Meredith
> 
> 
> On Dec 2, 2016 15:24, "Meghann Matwichuk"  wrote:
> Thanks, all, for the ideas and input!  And yes, I do understand that there 
> are different rights complications depending on whether or not Amazon / 
> Netflix has produced the content or not.  I do realize this is a tall order 
> and may not (or may not be likely to) result in DVD availability.  But from 
> what I've gathered so far, raising awareness of the fact that these companies 
> (and the content producers, in cases where they are not the distributors) are 
> leaving money on the table and prohibiting content from being seen in certain 
> environments is the first hurdle, so crafting some kind of statement in this 
> area with a goal towards publicizing it seems like a good place to start.
> 
> I agree that a conference call could be useful to begin the process, and 
> would be available for one next week or the week after, in case it takes some 
> time to pull together.  Meredith, are you able to facilitate?  I could help 
> with the scheduling by putting together a Doodle poll that folks could use to 
> indicate interest and availability; just let me know.  
> An interesting idea from Elizabeth at Bullfrog Films is that we could provide 
> examples of several of the companies who regularly work with educational 
> rights (as Mat described) who could serve as models / references for the 
> process in the case of those film and / or music producers who are simply 
> unaware and don't know where to start.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
> Associate Librarian
> Coordinator, Film & Video Collection
> Morris Library, University of Delaware
> 181 S. College Ave.
> Newark, DE 19717
> (302) 831-1475
> https://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo
> 
> On 12/2/2016 11:37 AM, meredith miller wrote:
>> I love this idea! I've been pursuing this on individual basis with both 
>> Netflix and Amazon. My argument has been that this type of licensing is 
>> another potential revenue stream that they are not considering. I think 
>> there is a general misunderstanding about the educational licensing market 
>> and the value that it has - so I think educating them on who we are and why 
>> we are important is crucial. 
>> 
>> I'm happy to dive into this! I think it would be good to discuss strategy 
>> first. Is anyone interested in a conference call early next week?
>> 
>> Meredith
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Susan Albrecht  wrote:
>> I think these are genius ideas from Meghann.  I especially like the idea of 
>> a joint letter from VRT and NMM and having an “all set” statement with many 
>> signatures ready to attach to an email we’re sending.
>> 
>>  
>> So who’s the drafter? ;)
>> 
>>  
>> Susan Albrecht
>> 
>> Graduate Fellowship Advisor
>> 
>> Library Media Acquisitions Manager
>> 
>> Wabash College Lilly Library
>> 
>> 765-361-6216 (acquisitions) / 765-361-6297 (fellowships)
>> 
>> 765-361-6295 fax
>> 
>> albre...@wabash.edu
>> 
>> Twitter:  @Wab_Fellowships
>> 
>> www.facebook.com/wabashcollegelibrary.films
>> 
>>  
>> ***
>> 
>> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." --Neil Peart
>> 
>> ***
>> 
>>  
>> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
>> [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Meghann Matwichuk
>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 10:59 AM
>> 
>> 
>> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> Subject: Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational 
>> Availability
>>  
>> I like the idea of a petition.  Who would we target?  Amazon (Prime) and 
>> Netflix seem to be the primary 'offenders' right now.  (But there are 
>> individual / self-distributors who are also only selling to individuals via 
>> stream.)
>> 
>> Another possibility -- maybe a joint letter from VRT and NMM?  
>> 
>> Meredith and other vendor allies -- what do you think w

Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational Availability

[meredith miller]

Meghann,

Of course. I can absolutely facilitate.

Meredith


On Dec 2, 2016 15:24, "Meghann Matwichuk"  wrote:

> Thanks, all, for the ideas and input!  And yes, I do understand that there
> are different rights complications depending on whether or not Amazon /
> Netflix has produced the content or not.  I do realize this is a tall order
> and may not (or may not be likely to) result in DVD availability.  But from
> what I've gathered so far, raising awareness of the fact that these
> companies (and the content producers, in cases where they are not the
> distributors) are leaving money on the table and prohibiting content from
> being seen in certain environments is the first hurdle, so crafting some
> kind of statement in this area with a goal towards publicizing it seems
> like a good place to start.
>
> I agree that a conference call could be useful to begin the process, and
> would be available for one next week or the week after, in case it takes
> some time to pull together.  Meredith, are you able to facilitate?  I could
> help with the scheduling by putting together a Doodle poll that folks could
> use to indicate interest and availability; just let me know.
>
> An interesting idea from Elizabeth at Bullfrog Films is that we could
> provide examples of several of the companies who regularly work with
> educational rights (as Mat described) who could serve as models /
> references for the process in the case of those film and / or music
> producers who are simply unaware and don't know where to start.
>
> --
>
> Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
> Associate Librarian
> Coordinator, Film & Video Collection
> Morris Library, University of Delaware
> 181 S. College Ave.
> Newark, DE 19717(302) 831-1475https://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo
>
>
> On 12/2/2016 11:37 AM, meredith miller wrote:
>
> I love this idea! I've been pursuing this on individual basis with both
> Netflix and Amazon. My argument has been that this type of licensing is
> another potential revenue stream that they are not considering. I think
> there is a general misunderstanding about the educational licensing market
> and the value that it has - so I think educating them on who we are and why
> we are important is crucial.
>
> I'm happy to dive into this! I think it would be good to discuss strategy
> first. Is anyone interested in a conference call early next week?
>
> Meredith
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Susan Albrecht 
> wrote:
>
>> I think these are genius ideas from Meghann.  I especially like the idea
>> of a joint letter from VRT and NMM and having an “all set” statement with
>> many signatures ready to attach to an email we’re sending.
>>
>>
>>
>> So who’s the drafter? ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> Susan Albrecht
>>
>> Graduate Fellowship Advisor
>>
>> Library Media Acquisitions Manager
>>
>> Wabash College Lilly Library
>>
>> 765-361-6216 <%28765%29%20361-6216> (acquisitions) / 765-361-6297
>> <%28765%29%20361-6297> (fellowships)
>>
>> 765-361-6295 <%28765%29%20361-6295> fax
>>
>> albre...@wabash.edu
>>
>> Twitter:  @Wab_Fellowships
>>
>> www.facebook.com/wabashcollegelibrary.films
>>
>>
>>
>> ***
>>
>> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." --Neil Peart
>>
>> ***
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
>> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Meghann Matwichuk
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 02, 2016 10:59 AM
>>
>> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o
>> Educational Availability
>>
>>
>>
>> I like the idea of a petition.  Who would we target?  Amazon (Prime) and
>> Netflix seem to be the primary 'offenders' right now.  (But there are
>> individual / self-distributors who are also only selling to individuals via
>> stream.)
>>
>> Another possibility -- maybe a joint letter from VRT and NMM?
>>
>> Meredith and other vendor allies -- what do you think would be a good way
>> for those of us interested in making a joint statement to get the attention
>> of the right folks?
>>
>> Alternately, it might be helpful to attach something like the joint
>> letter or a statement with a giant gob of signatories when we're all
>> individually contacting distributors.  Like, keep it on your desktop and
>> just clip it to any of these individual emails we might send when we
>> advocate for educational distribution.  "You might be interested to know
>> that there are many who are concerned about this issue, and are interested
>> in purchasing hard copies and educational licenses.  Please see the
>> attached letter."
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
>>
>> Associate Librarian
>>
>> Coordinator, Film & Video Collection
>>
>> Morris Library, University of Delaware
>>
>> 181 S. College Ave.
>>
>> Newark, DE 19717
>>
>> (302) 831-1475
>>
>> https://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/2/2016 1

Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational Availability

[Troy Davis]

Great. I'm in!

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:26 AM, Meghann Matwichuk  wrote:

> I should be able to draft something next week, but if someone else is
> feeling particularly inspired before then, just let me know.  -- Meghann
> On 12/2/2016 11:12 AM, Susan Albrecht wrote:
>
> I think these are genius ideas from Meghann.  I especially like the idea
> of a joint letter from VRT and NMM and having an “all set” statement with
> many signatures ready to attach to an email we’re sending.
>
>
>
> So who’s the drafter? ;)
>
>
>
> Susan Albrecht
>
> Graduate Fellowship Advisor
>
> Library Media Acquisitions Manager
>
> Wabash College Lilly Library
>
> 765-361-6216 <(765)%20361-6216> (acquisitions) / 765-361-6297
> <(765)%20361-6297> (fellowships)
>
> 765-361-6295 <(765)%20361-6295> fax
>
> albre...@wabash.edu
>
> Twitter:  @Wab_Fellowships
>
> www.facebook.com/wabashcollegelibrary.films
>
>
>
> ***
>
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." --Neil Peart
>
> ***
>
>
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-bounces@
> lists.berkeley.edu ] *On Behalf Of 
> *Meghann
> Matwichuk
> *Sent:* Friday, December 02, 2016 10:59 AM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational
> Availability
>
>
>
> I like the idea of a petition.  Who would we target?  Amazon (Prime) and
> Netflix seem to be the primary 'offenders' right now.  (But there are
> individual / self-distributors who are also only selling to individuals via
> stream.)
>
> Another possibility -- maybe a joint letter from VRT and NMM?
>
> Meredith and other vendor allies -- what do you think would be a good way
> for those of us interested in making a joint statement to get the attention
> of the right folks?
>
> Alternately, it might be helpful to attach something like the joint letter
> or a statement with a giant gob of signatories when we're all individually
> contacting distributors.  Like, keep it on your desktop and just clip it to
> any of these individual emails we might send when we advocate for
> educational distribution.  "You might be interested to know that there are
> many who are concerned about this issue, and are interested in purchasing
> hard copies and educational licenses.  Please see the attached letter."
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
>
> Associate Librarian
>
> Coordinator, Film & Video Collection
>
> Morris Library, University of Delaware
>
> 181 S. College Ave.
>
> Newark, DE 19717
>
> (302) 831-1475
>
> https://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo
>
>
>
> On 12/2/2016 10:29 AM, Laura Jenemann wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I’m happy to add my voice.  Is there a group letter writing option?
> Change.org post?  Blog post option?  I may be able to help with the tech
> for this.
>
>
>
> Once again, Ava DuVernay has gotten the ball rolling on an important
> topic.  Why not keep it rolling?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Laura
>
>
>
> Laura Jenemann
>
> Media, Film Studies & Dance Librarian
>
> George Mason University Libraries
>
> Email: ljene...@gmu.edu
>
> Phone: 703-993-7593 <(703)%20993-7593>
>
>
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-bounces@
> lists.berkeley.edu ] *On Behalf Of 
> *Wochna,
> Lorraine
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 1, 2016 6:05 PM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational
> Availability
>
>
>
> Meghann,
>
> Thanks so much for such a thorough response.
>
> Yes, I agree and will challenge these distributors as well!
>
> Best,
>
> lorraine
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-bounces@
> lists.berkeley.edu ] *On Behalf Of 
> *Meghann
> Matwichuk
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2016 3:17 PM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational
> Availability
>
>
>
> Thanks for passing this along, Lorraine!!  This is exciting!  Although, it
> doesn't quite solve the problem of having a physical copy in our
> collection, or a streaming version to which we can provide access for our
> patrons who may not have a Netflix account.  I was just having a
> conversation about this (films produced by streaming services without any
> means for libraries to purchase hard copies or license) with the lovely
> Meredith Miller not a few hours ago, and just a week or two ago had an
> exchange with the distributors of the Netflix film Audrie and Daisy
> .  It went as follows:
>
> Me: "Greetings, I am a media librarian at the University of Delaware
> Library. One of UD's student groups will be hosting a film screening of
> Audrie & Daisy soon, and we've already had requests that we add the film to
> our Library's collection so that it can be used in classes and made
> available for students to watch for research. Ar

Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational Availability

[Meghann Matwichuk]

Thanks, all, for the ideas and input!  And yes, I do understand that 
there are different rights complications depending on whether or not 
Amazon / Netflix has produced the content or not.  I do realize this is 
a tall order and may not (or may not be likely to) result in DVD 
availability.  But from what I've gathered so far, raising awareness of 
the fact that these companies (and the content producers, in cases where 
they are not the distributors) are leaving money on the table and 
prohibiting content from being seen in certain environments is the first 
hurdle, so crafting some kind of statement in this area with a goal 
towards publicizing it seems like a good place to start.


I agree that a conference call could be useful to begin the process, and 
would be available for one next week or the week after, in case it takes 
some time to pull together.  Meredith, are you able to facilitate?  I 
could help with the scheduling by putting together a Doodle poll that 
folks could use to indicate interest and availability; just let me know.


An interesting idea from Elizabeth at Bullfrog Films is that we could 
provide examples of several of the companies who regularly work with 
educational rights (as Mat described) who could serve as models / 
references for the process in the case of those film and / or music 
producers who are simply unaware and don't know where to start.


--

Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
Associate Librarian
Coordinator, Film & Video Collection
Morris Library, University of Delaware
181 S. College Ave.
Newark, DE 19717
(302) 831-1475
https://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo


On 12/2/2016 11:37 AM, meredith miller wrote:
I love this idea! I've been pursuing this on individual basis with 
both Netflix and Amazon. My argument has been that this type of 
licensing is another potential revenue stream that they are not 
considering. I think there is a general misunderstanding about the 
educational licensing market and the value that it has - so I think 
educating them on who we are and why we are important is crucial.


I'm happy to dive into this! I think it would be good to discuss 
strategy first. Is anyone interested in a conference call early next week?


Meredith

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Susan Albrecht > wrote:


I think these are genius ideas from Meghann.  I especially like
the idea of a joint letter from VRT and NMM and having an “all
set” statement with many signatures ready to attach to an email
we’re sending.

So who’s the drafter? ;)

Susan Albrecht

Graduate Fellowship Advisor

Library Media Acquisitions Manager

Wabash College Lilly Library

765-361-6216  (acquisitions) /
765-361-6297  (fellowships)

765-361-6295  fax

albre...@wabash.edu 

Twitter: @Wab_Fellowships

www.facebook.com/wabashcollegelibrary.films


***

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
--Neil Peart

***

*From:*videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu

[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
] *On Behalf Of
*Meghann Matwichuk
*Sent:* Friday, December 02, 2016 10:59 AM


*To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu 
*Subject:* Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o
Educational Availability

I like the idea of a petition.  Who would we target?  Amazon
(Prime) and Netflix seem to be the primary 'offenders' right now. 
(But there are individual / self-distributors who are also only

selling to individuals via stream.)

Another possibility -- maybe a joint letter from VRT and NMM?

Meredith and other vendor allies -- what do you think would be a
good way for those of us interested in making a joint statement to
get the attention of the right folks?

Alternately, it might be helpful to attach something like the
joint letter or a statement with a giant gob of signatories when
we're all individually contacting distributors.  Like, keep it on
your desktop and just clip it to any of these individual emails we
might send when we advocate for educational distribution.  "You
might be interested to know that there are many who are concerned
about this issue, and are interested in purchasing hard copies and
educational licenses.  Please see the attached letter."


-- 

  


Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.

Associate Librarian

Coordinator, Film & Video Collection

Morris Library, University of Delaware

181 S. College Ave.

Newark, DE 19717

(302) 831-1475 

https://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo

Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o EducationalAvailability

[Nell J Chenault]

This is an issue which the Music Library Association has been trying to
address for several years, with great music being distributed only through
individual online music distribution sources.  They have been looking to
ALA for support with this issue.

Nell Chenault
VCU Libraries



On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Jessica Rosner 
wrote:

> I agree that sub licensing is far more likely then them ever agreeing to
> physical copies. I can say from experience that for MOST things Netflix and
> Amazon do not own EDU rights but they almost surely do for series they
> produce and I think for certain films they buy. I have actually had to
> convince some rights holders that they don't own those rights and sure
> enough they check with Netflix/Amazon and find that "closed" educational
> streaming does not conflict with their contract.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Randy Pitman 
> wrote:
>
>> This is the big issue and I agree with everything that has been said so
>> far. This was always going to be the dark side of digital—controlled access
>> that made the First Sale Doctrine moot. We will need to find a solution
>> that will work for all libraries—K-12, academic, public, special.
>>
>> Physical copies are still the gold standard but obviously not the future.
>> If Netflix and Amazon balk at creating library-friendly platforms, I wonder
>> whether an option of sublicensing to existing platforms (Alexander Street
>> Press, Films on Demand, hoopla, Kanopy, etc.) would be a viable
>> possibility? Although as Mat from Passion River has just pointed out,
>> Netflix and Amazon may not necessarily hold various rights to titles.
>>
>> We do need to be more vocal—letters, petitions, etc. And NMM 2017 sounds
>> like a great venue for hashing out details.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> Randy Pitman
>> Publisher/Editor
>> Video Librarian
>> 3435 NE Nine Boulder Dr.
>> Poulsbo, WA 98370
>> Tel: (360) 626-1259
>> Fax (360) 626-1260
>> E-mail: vid...@videolibrarian.com
>> Web: www.videolibrarian.com
>>
>> *From:* Brian W Boling 
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 02, 2016 9:10 AM
>> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o
>> EducationalAvailability
>>
>> I agree that the issue of digital-only copies is becoming a critical one
>> for libraries, both for us video folks and in music librarianship.
>>
>> At the VRT Business meeting in Orlando, we learned that a high-level ALA
>> group tasked with meeting with streaming content providers was on hold, but
>> would likely gain traction again during the ALA Presidency of Jim Neal.
>> This high-level group was a subcommittee of the same group that negotiated
>> e-book licensing terms with the Big Six--or is it now down to
>> Five?--publishers.  I'd volunteered to continue work on this topic in the
>> interim, as did several others, but I have not heard additional information
>> or requests for help.  Has anyone else who volunteered for this ad hoc VRT
>> committee been contacted?
>>
>> I like the ideas that have been discussed in this thread and would be
>> glad to participate in them further.  Still, going on the "strength in
>> numbers" principle, it might make sense to also bring in support from the
>> Music Libraries Association, big ALA (especially their Office of
>> Information and Technology Policy), and other groups besides VRT/NMM that
>> I'm be forgetting.  For instance, don't libraries that are
>> under-represented on Videolib (K-12, for instance) also face this issue?
>>
>> I'm glad to see some constructive suggestions for moving forward on this
>> issue!
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> Brian Boling
>> Past-chair, Video Round Table
>> Media Services Librarian
>> Temple University Libraries
>> brian.bol...@temple.edu
>> Schedule a meeting during my office hours
>> 
>>
>> Brian Boling
>> Media Services Librarian
>> Temple University Libraries
>> brian.bol...@temple.edu
>> Schedule a meeting during my office hours
>> 
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:37 AM, meredith miller <
>> meredithlynnemil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I love this idea! I've been pursuing this on individual basis with both
>>> Netflix and Amazon. My argument has been that this type of licensing is
>>> another potential revenue stream that they are not considering. I think
>>> there is a general misunderstanding about the educational licensing market
>>> and the value that it has - so I think educating them on who we are and why
>>> we are important is crucial.
>>>
>>> I'm happy to dive into this! I think it would be good to discuss
>>> strategy first. Is anyone interested in a conference call early next week?
>>>
>>> Meredith
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Susan Albrecht 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I think these are genius ideas from Meghann.  I especially like the
 idea of a joint letter from VRT and NMM and having an “all set” statement
 with many signature

Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o EducationalAvailability

[Jessica Rosner]

I agree that sub licensing is far more likely then them ever agreeing to
physical copies. I can say from experience that for MOST things Netflix and
Amazon do not own EDU rights but they almost surely do for series they
produce and I think for certain films they buy. I have actually had to
convince some rights holders that they don't own those rights and sure
enough they check with Netflix/Amazon and find that "closed" educational
streaming does not conflict with their contract.



On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Randy Pitman 
wrote:

> This is the big issue and I agree with everything that has been said so
> far. This was always going to be the dark side of digital—controlled access
> that made the First Sale Doctrine moot. We will need to find a solution
> that will work for all libraries—K-12, academic, public, special.
>
> Physical copies are still the gold standard but obviously not the future.
> If Netflix and Amazon balk at creating library-friendly platforms, I wonder
> whether an option of sublicensing to existing platforms (Alexander Street
> Press, Films on Demand, hoopla, Kanopy, etc.) would be a viable
> possibility? Although as Mat from Passion River has just pointed out,
> Netflix and Amazon may not necessarily hold various rights to titles.
>
> We do need to be more vocal—letters, petitions, etc. And NMM 2017 sounds
> like a great venue for hashing out details.
>
> Best,
>
> Randy
>
> Randy Pitman
> Publisher/Editor
> Video Librarian
> 3435 NE Nine Boulder Dr.
> Poulsbo, WA 98370
> Tel: (360) 626-1259
> Fax (360) 626-1260
> E-mail: vid...@videolibrarian.com
> Web: www.videolibrarian.com
>
> *From:* Brian W Boling 
> *Sent:* Friday, December 02, 2016 9:10 AM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o
> EducationalAvailability
>
> I agree that the issue of digital-only copies is becoming a critical one
> for libraries, both for us video folks and in music librarianship.
>
> At the VRT Business meeting in Orlando, we learned that a high-level ALA
> group tasked with meeting with streaming content providers was on hold, but
> would likely gain traction again during the ALA Presidency of Jim Neal.
> This high-level group was a subcommittee of the same group that negotiated
> e-book licensing terms with the Big Six--or is it now down to
> Five?--publishers.  I'd volunteered to continue work on this topic in the
> interim, as did several others, but I have not heard additional information
> or requests for help.  Has anyone else who volunteered for this ad hoc VRT
> committee been contacted?
>
> I like the ideas that have been discussed in this thread and would be glad
> to participate in them further.  Still, going on the "strength in numbers"
> principle, it might make sense to also bring in support from the Music
> Libraries Association, big ALA (especially their Office of Information and
> Technology Policy), and other groups besides VRT/NMM that I'm be
> forgetting.  For instance, don't libraries that are under-represented on
> Videolib (K-12, for instance) also face this issue?
>
> I'm glad to see some constructive suggestions for moving forward on this
> issue!
>
> Brian
>
> Brian Boling
> Past-chair, Video Round Table
> Media Services Librarian
> Temple University Libraries
> brian.bol...@temple.edu
> Schedule a meeting during my office hours
> 
>
> Brian Boling
> Media Services Librarian
> Temple University Libraries
> brian.bol...@temple.edu
> Schedule a meeting during my office hours
> 
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:37 AM, meredith miller <
> meredithlynnemil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I love this idea! I've been pursuing this on individual basis with both
>> Netflix and Amazon. My argument has been that this type of licensing is
>> another potential revenue stream that they are not considering. I think
>> there is a general misunderstanding about the educational licensing market
>> and the value that it has - so I think educating them on who we are and why
>> we are important is crucial.
>>
>> I'm happy to dive into this! I think it would be good to discuss strategy
>> first. Is anyone interested in a conference call early next week?
>>
>> Meredith
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Susan Albrecht 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think these are genius ideas from Meghann.  I especially like the idea
>>> of a joint letter from VRT and NMM and having an “all set” statement with
>>> many signatures ready to attach to an email we’re sending.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So who’s the drafter? ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Susan Albrecht
>>>
>>> Graduate Fellowship Advisor
>>>
>>> Library Media Acquisitions Manager
>>>
>>> Wabash College Lilly Library
>>>
>>> 765-361-6216 <(765)%20361-6216> (acquisitions) / 765-361-6297
>>> <(765)%20361-6297> (fellowships)
>>>
>>> 765-361-6295 <(765)%20361-6295> fax
>>>
>>> albre...@wabash.edu
>>>
>>> Twitter:  @Wab_Fellowships
>>>
>>> www.fa

Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational Availability

[Threatt, Monique Louise]

Thanks, Mat!
Have a great weekend, everyone. --Mo

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Mathew Levy
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:29 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational 
Availability

Hello Team Videolib:

I think the issue here is not Netflix at all or FilmSprout who typically just 
handles community screenings.

Netflix does NOT hold EDU rights and doesn't seem to plan to at this point. I 
had lunch with my buyer at Netflix 2 weeks ago and discussed this with him 
specifically. If you want a film for EDU, the best method would be to contact 
either the filmmaker specifically or a distributor who can help acquire the 
film for your library.

An example of how this worked out perfectly was via a VideoLib post last year 
when a librarian was looking for the Netflix title MY OWN MAN.

I had never heard of the film before, but after seeing a high interest from 
libraries, found the filmmaker and acquired the rights directly, so I can offer 
to libraries. Our company can easily make that contact as well as most 
distributors on this e-mail chain.

We have worked with other Ava Duvernay documentaries in the past, so right now 
I am in the process of contacting her production company to speak with them 
directly about the high interest from educators. Hopefully, I can be an outlet 
to help get the title offered to you if they don't have a company locked in to 
do so yet. If they do, I will let you all know.  No promises, just an e-mail 
and a phone call for now, but on the case!

Have a great weekend everyone!

Best,

Mat

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Meghann Matwichuk 
mailto:mtw...@udel.edu>> wrote:
I like the idea of a petition.  Who would we target?  Amazon (Prime) and 
Netflix seem to be the primary 'offenders' right now.  (But there are 
individual / self-distributors who are also only selling to individuals via 
stream.)

Another possibility -- maybe a joint letter from VRT and NMM?

Meredith and other vendor allies -- what do you think would be a good way for 
those of us interested in making a joint statement to get the attention of the 
right folks?

Alternately, it might be helpful to attach something like the joint letter or a 
statement with a giant gob of signatories when we're all individually 
contacting distributors.  Like, keep it on your desktop and just clip it to any 
of these individual emails we might send when we advocate for educational 
distribution.  "You might be interested to know that there are many who are 
concerned about this issue, and are interested in purchasing hard copies and 
educational licenses.  Please see the attached letter."



--



Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.

Associate Librarian

Coordinator, Film & Video Collection

Morris Library, University of Delaware

181 S. College Ave.

Newark, DE 19717

(302) 831-1475

https://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo

On 12/2/2016 10:29 AM, Laura Jenemann wrote:
Hi all,

I’m happy to add my voice.  Is there a group letter writing option?  Change.org 
post?  Blog post option?  I may be able to help with the tech for this.

Once again, Ava DuVernay has gotten the ball rolling on an important topic.  
Why not keep it rolling?

Regards,
Laura

Laura Jenemann
Media, Film Studies & Dance Librarian
George Mason University Libraries
Email: ljene...@gmu.edu
Phone: 703-993-7593

From: 
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Wochna, Lorraine
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 6:05 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational 
Availability

Meghann,
Thanks so much for such a thorough response.
Yes, I agree and will challenge these distributors as well!
Best,
lorraine


From: 
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Meghann Matwichuk
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 3:17 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational Availability


Thanks for passing this along, Lorraine!!  This is exciting!  Although, it 
doesn't quite solve the problem of having a physical copy in our collection, or 
a streaming version to which we can provide access for our patrons who may not 
have a Netflix account.  I was just having a conversation about this (films 
produced by streaming services without any means for libraries to purchase hard 
copies or license) with the lovely Meredith Miller not a few hours ago, and 
just a week or two ago had an exchange with the distributors of the Netflix 
film Audrie and Daisy.  It went as follows:

Me: "Greetings, I am a media librarian at the University of D

Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o EducationalAvailability

[Randy Pitman]

This is the big issue and I agree with everything that has been said so far. 
This was always going to be the dark side of digital—controlled access that 
made the First Sale Doctrine moot. We will need to find a solution that will 
work for all libraries—K-12, academic, public, special. 

Physical copies are still the gold standard but obviously not the future. If 
Netflix and Amazon balk at creating library-friendly platforms, I wonder 
whether an option of sublicensing to existing platforms (Alexander Street 
Press, Films on Demand, hoopla, Kanopy, etc.) would be a viable possibility? 
Although as Mat from Passion River has just pointed out, Netflix and Amazon may 
not necessarily hold various rights to titles.

We do need to be more vocal—letters, petitions, etc. And NMM 2017 sounds like a 
great venue for hashing out details.

Best,

Randy

Randy Pitman
Publisher/Editor
Video Librarian
3435 NE Nine Boulder Dr.
Poulsbo, WA 98370
Tel: (360) 626-1259
Fax (360) 626-1260
E-mail: vid...@videolibrarian.com
Web: www.videolibrarian.com

From: Brian W Boling 
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 9:10 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu 
Subject: Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o 
EducationalAvailability

I agree that the issue of digital-only copies is becoming a critical one for 
libraries, both for us video folks and in music librarianship.


At the VRT Business meeting in Orlando, we learned that a high-level ALA group 
tasked with meeting with streaming content providers was on hold, but would 
likely gain traction again during the ALA Presidency of Jim Neal.  This 
high-level group was a subcommittee of the same group that negotiated e-book 
licensing terms with the Big Six--or is it now down to Five?--publishers.  I'd 
volunteered to continue work on this topic in the interim, as did several 
others, but I have not heard additional information or requests for help.  Has 
anyone else who volunteered for this ad hoc VRT committee been contacted?


I like the ideas that have been discussed in this thread and would be glad to 
participate in them further.  Still, going on the "strength in numbers" 
principle, it might make sense to also bring in support from the Music 
Libraries Association, big ALA (especially their Office of Information and 
Technology Policy), and other groups besides VRT/NMM that I'm be forgetting.  
For instance, don't libraries that are under-represented on Videolib (K-12, for 
instance) also face this issue?


I'm glad to see some constructive suggestions for moving forward on this issue!


Brian 


Brian Boling

Past-chair, Video Round Table

Media Services Librarian

Temple University Libraries

brian.bol...@temple.edu

Schedule a meeting during my office hours

Brian Boling

Media Services Librarian

Temple University Libraries

brian.bol...@temple.edu

Schedule a meeting during my office hours


On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:37 AM, meredith miller 
 wrote:

  I love this idea! I've been pursuing this on individual basis with both 
Netflix and Amazon. My argument has been that this type of licensing is another 
potential revenue stream that they are not considering. I think there is a 
general misunderstanding about the educational licensing market and the value 
that it has - so I think educating them on who we are and why we are important 
is crucial.  

  I'm happy to dive into this! I think it would be good to discuss strategy 
first. Is anyone interested in a conference call early next week?

  Meredith

  On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Susan Albrecht  wrote:

I think these are genius ideas from Meghann.  I especially like the idea of 
a joint letter from VRT and NMM and having an “all set” statement with many 
signatures ready to attach to an email we’re sending.



So who’s the drafter? ;)



Susan Albrecht

Graduate Fellowship Advisor

Library Media Acquisitions Manager

Wabash College Lilly Library

765-361-6216 (acquisitions) / 765-361-6297 (fellowships)

765-361-6295 fax

albre...@wabash.edu

Twitter:  @Wab_Fellowships

www.facebook.com/wabashcollegelibrary.films



***

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." --Neil Peart

***



From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Meghann Matwichuk
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 10:59 AM


To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational 
Availability


I like the idea of a petition.  Who would we target?  Amazon (Prime) and 
Netflix seem to be the primary 'offenders' right now.  (But there are 
individual / self-distributors who are also only selling to individuals via 
stream.)

Another possibility -- maybe a joint letter from VRT and NMM?  

Meredith and other vendor allies -- 

Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational Availability

[Mathew Levy]

Hello Team Videolib:

I think the issue here is not Netflix at all or FilmSprout who typically
just handles community screenings.

Netflix does NOT hold EDU rights and doesn't seem to plan to at this point.
I had lunch with my buyer at Netflix 2 weeks ago and discussed this with
him specifically. If you want a film for EDU, the best method would be to
contact either the filmmaker specifically or a distributor who can help
acquire the film for your library.

An example of how this worked out perfectly was via a VideoLib post last
year when a librarian was looking for the Netflix title MY OWN MAN.

I had never heard of the film before, but after seeing a high interest from
libraries, found the filmmaker and acquired the rights directly, so I can
offer to libraries. Our company can easily make that contact as well as
most distributors on this e-mail chain.

We have worked with other Ava Duvernay documentaries in the past, so right
now I am in the process of contacting her production company to speak with
them directly about the high interest from educators. Hopefully, I can be
an outlet to help get the title offered to you if they don't have a company
locked in to do so yet. If they do, I will let you all know.  No promises,
just an e-mail and a phone call for now, but on the case!

Have a great weekend everyone!

Best,

Mat

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Meghann Matwichuk  wrote:

> I like the idea of a petition.  Who would we target?  Amazon (Prime) and
> Netflix seem to be the primary 'offenders' right now.  (But there are
> individual / self-distributors who are also only selling to individuals via
> stream.)
>
> Another possibility -- maybe a joint letter from VRT and NMM?
>
> Meredith and other vendor allies -- what do you think would be a good way
> for those of us interested in making a joint statement to get the attention
> of the right folks?
>
> Alternately, it might be helpful to attach something like the joint letter
> or a statement with a giant gob of signatories when we're all individually
> contacting distributors.  Like, keep it on your desktop and just clip it to
> any of these individual emails we might send when we advocate for
> educational distribution.  "You might be interested to know that there are
> many who are concerned about this issue, and are interested in purchasing
> hard copies and educational licenses.  Please see the attached letter."
>
> --
>
> Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
> Associate Librarian
> Coordinator, Film & Video Collection
> Morris Library, University of Delaware
> 181 S. College Ave.
> Newark, DE 19717(302) 831-1475https://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo
>
>
> On 12/2/2016 10:29 AM, Laura Jenemann wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I’m happy to add my voice.  Is there a group letter writing option?
> Change.org post?  Blog post option?  I may be able to help with the tech
> for this.
>
>
>
> Once again, Ava DuVernay has gotten the ball rolling on an important
> topic.  Why not keep it rolling?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Laura
>
>
>
> Laura Jenemann
>
> Media, Film Studies & Dance Librarian
>
> George Mason University Libraries
>
> Email: ljene...@gmu.edu
>
> Phone: 703-993-7593 <(703)%20993-7593>
>
>
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-bounces@
> lists.berkeley.edu ] *On Behalf Of 
> *Wochna,
> Lorraine
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 1, 2016 6:05 PM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational
> Availability
>
>
>
> Meghann,
>
> Thanks so much for such a thorough response.
>
> Yes, I agree and will challenge these distributors as well!
>
> Best,
>
> lorraine
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-bounces@
> lists.berkeley.edu ] *On Behalf Of 
> *Meghann
> Matwichuk
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2016 3:17 PM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational
> Availability
>
>
>
> Thanks for passing this along, Lorraine!!  This is exciting!  Although, it
> doesn't quite solve the problem of having a physical copy in our
> collection, or a streaming version to which we can provide access for our
> patrons who may not have a Netflix account.  I was just having a
> conversation about this (films produced by streaming services without any
> means for libraries to purchase hard copies or license) with the lovely
> Meredith Miller not a few hours ago, and just a week or two ago had an
> exchange with the distributors of the Netflix film Audrie and Daisy
> .  It went as follows:
>
> Me: "Greetings, I am a media librarian at the University of Delaware
> Library. One of UD's student groups will be hosting a film screening of
> Audrie & Daisy soon, and we've already had requests that we add the film to
> our Library's collection so that it can be used in classes and made
> available for students to watch for research. Are there any plans to make
> Audrie & Daisy available f

Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational Availability

[Brian W Boling]

I agree that the issue of digital-only copies is becoming a critical one
for libraries, both for us video folks and in music librarianship.

At the VRT Business meeting in Orlando, we learned that a high-level ALA
group tasked with meeting with streaming content providers was on hold, but
would likely gain traction again during the ALA Presidency of Jim Neal.
This high-level group was a subcommittee of the same group that negotiated
e-book licensing terms with the Big Six--or is it now down to
Five?--publishers.  I'd volunteered to continue work on this topic in the
interim, as did several others, but I have not heard additional information
or requests for help.  Has anyone else who volunteered for this ad hoc VRT
committee been contacted?

I like the ideas that have been discussed in this thread and would be glad
to participate in them further.  Still, going on the "strength in numbers"
principle, it might make sense to also bring in support from the Music
Libraries Association, big ALA (especially their Office of Information and
Technology Policy), and other groups besides VRT/NMM that I'm be
forgetting.  For instance, don't libraries that are under-represented on
Videolib (K-12, for instance) also face this issue?

I'm glad to see some constructive suggestions for moving forward on this
issue!

Brian

Brian Boling
Past-chair, Video Round Table
Media Services Librarian
Temple University Libraries
brian.bol...@temple.edu
Schedule a meeting during my office hours


Brian Boling
Media Services Librarian
Temple University Libraries
brian.bol...@temple.edu
Schedule a meeting during my office hours


On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:37 AM, meredith miller <
meredithlynnemil...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I love this idea! I've been pursuing this on individual basis with both
> Netflix and Amazon. My argument has been that this type of licensing is
> another potential revenue stream that they are not considering. I think
> there is a general misunderstanding about the educational licensing market
> and the value that it has - so I think educating them on who we are and why
> we are important is crucial.
>
> I'm happy to dive into this! I think it would be good to discuss strategy
> first. Is anyone interested in a conference call early next week?
>
> Meredith
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Susan Albrecht 
> wrote:
>
>> I think these are genius ideas from Meghann.  I especially like the idea
>> of a joint letter from VRT and NMM and having an “all set” statement with
>> many signatures ready to attach to an email we’re sending.
>>
>>
>>
>> So who’s the drafter? ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> Susan Albrecht
>>
>> Graduate Fellowship Advisor
>>
>> Library Media Acquisitions Manager
>>
>> Wabash College Lilly Library
>>
>> 765-361-6216 <(765)%20361-6216> (acquisitions) / 765-361-6297
>> <(765)%20361-6297> (fellowships)
>>
>> 765-361-6295 <(765)%20361-6295> fax
>>
>> albre...@wabash.edu
>>
>> Twitter:  @Wab_Fellowships
>>
>> www.facebook.com/wabashcollegelibrary.films
>>
>>
>>
>> ***
>>
>> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." --Neil Peart
>>
>> ***
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
>> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Meghann Matwichuk
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 02, 2016 10:59 AM
>>
>> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o
>> Educational Availability
>>
>>
>>
>> I like the idea of a petition.  Who would we target?  Amazon (Prime) and
>> Netflix seem to be the primary 'offenders' right now.  (But there are
>> individual / self-distributors who are also only selling to individuals via
>> stream.)
>>
>> Another possibility -- maybe a joint letter from VRT and NMM?
>>
>> Meredith and other vendor allies -- what do you think would be a good way
>> for those of us interested in making a joint statement to get the attention
>> of the right folks?
>>
>> Alternately, it might be helpful to attach something like the joint
>> letter or a statement with a giant gob of signatories when we're all
>> individually contacting distributors.  Like, keep it on your desktop and
>> just clip it to any of these individual emails we might send when we
>> advocate for educational distribution.  "You might be interested to know
>> that there are many who are concerned about this issue, and are interested
>> in purchasing hard copies and educational licenses.  Please see the
>> attached letter."
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
>>
>> Associate Librarian
>>
>> Coordinator, Film & Video Collection
>>
>> Morris Library, University of Delaware
>>
>> 181 S. College Ave.
>>
>> Newark, DE 19717
>>
>> (302) 831-1475
>>
>> https://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/2/2016 10:29 AM, Laura Jenemann 

Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational Availability

[meredith miller]

I love this idea! I've been pursuing this on individual basis with both
Netflix and Amazon. My argument has been that this type of licensing is
another potential revenue stream that they are not considering. I think
there is a general misunderstanding about the educational licensing market
and the value that it has - so I think educating them on who we are and why
we are important is crucial.

I'm happy to dive into this! I think it would be good to discuss strategy
first. Is anyone interested in a conference call early next week?

Meredith

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Susan Albrecht  wrote:

> I think these are genius ideas from Meghann.  I especially like the idea
> of a joint letter from VRT and NMM and having an “all set” statement with
> many signatures ready to attach to an email we’re sending.
>
>
>
> So who’s the drafter? ;)
>
>
>
> Susan Albrecht
>
> Graduate Fellowship Advisor
>
> Library Media Acquisitions Manager
>
> Wabash College Lilly Library
>
> 765-361-6216 <(765)%20361-6216> (acquisitions) / 765-361-6297
> <(765)%20361-6297> (fellowships)
>
> 765-361-6295 <(765)%20361-6295> fax
>
> albre...@wabash.edu
>
> Twitter:  @Wab_Fellowships
>
> www.facebook.com/wabashcollegelibrary.films
>
>
>
> ***
>
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." --Neil Peart
>
> ***
>
>
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-bounces@
> lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Meghann Matwichuk
> *Sent:* Friday, December 02, 2016 10:59 AM
>
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational
> Availability
>
>
>
> I like the idea of a petition.  Who would we target?  Amazon (Prime) and
> Netflix seem to be the primary 'offenders' right now.  (But there are
> individual / self-distributors who are also only selling to individuals via
> stream.)
>
> Another possibility -- maybe a joint letter from VRT and NMM?
>
> Meredith and other vendor allies -- what do you think would be a good way
> for those of us interested in making a joint statement to get the attention
> of the right folks?
>
> Alternately, it might be helpful to attach something like the joint letter
> or a statement with a giant gob of signatories when we're all individually
> contacting distributors.  Like, keep it on your desktop and just clip it to
> any of these individual emails we might send when we advocate for
> educational distribution.  "You might be interested to know that there are
> many who are concerned about this issue, and are interested in purchasing
> hard copies and educational licenses.  Please see the attached letter."
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
>
> Associate Librarian
>
> Coordinator, Film & Video Collection
>
> Morris Library, University of Delaware
>
> 181 S. College Ave.
>
> Newark, DE 19717
>
> (302) 831-1475
>
> https://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo
>
>
>
> On 12/2/2016 10:29 AM, Laura Jenemann wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I’m happy to add my voice.  Is there a group letter writing option?
> Change.org post?  Blog post option?  I may be able to help with the tech
> for this.
>
>
>
> Once again, Ava DuVernay has gotten the ball rolling on an important
> topic.  Why not keep it rolling?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Laura
>
>
>
> Laura Jenemann
>
> Media, Film Studies & Dance Librarian
>
> George Mason University Libraries
>
> Email: ljene...@gmu.edu
>
> Phone: 703-993-7593 <(703)%20993-7593>
>
>
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-bounces@
> lists.berkeley.edu ] *On Behalf Of 
> *Wochna,
> Lorraine
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 1, 2016 6:05 PM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational
> Availability
>
>
>
> Meghann,
>
> Thanks so much for such a thorough response.
>
> Yes, I agree and will challenge these distributors as well!
>
> Best,
>
> lorraine
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-bounces@
> lists.berkeley.edu ] *On Behalf Of 
> *Meghann
> Matwichuk
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2016 3:17 PM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational
> Availability
>
>
>
> Thanks for passing this along, Lorraine!!  This is exciting!  Although, it
> doesn't quite solve the problem of having a physical copy in our
> collection, or a streaming version to which we can provide access for our
> patrons who may not have a Netflix account.  I was just having a
> conversation about this (films produced by streaming services without any
> means for libraries to purchase hard copies or license) with the lovely
> Meredith Miller not a few hours ago, and just a week or two ago had an
> exchange with the distributors of the Netflix film Audrie and Daisy
> .  It went as follows:
>
> Me: "Greetin

Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational Availability

[Meghann Matwichuk]

I should be able to draft something next week, but if someone else is 
feeling particularly inspired before then, just let me know.  -- Meghann


On 12/2/2016 11:12 AM, Susan Albrecht wrote:


I think these are genius ideas from Meghann.  I especially like the 
idea of a joint letter from VRT and NMM and having an “all set” 
statement with many signatures ready to attach to an email we’re sending.


So who’s the drafter? ;)

Susan Albrecht

Graduate Fellowship Advisor

Library Media Acquisitions Manager

Wabash College Lilly Library

765-361-6216 (acquisitions) / 765-361-6297 (fellowships)

765-361-6295 fax

albre...@wabash.edu 

Twitter: @Wab_Fellowships

www.facebook.com/wabashcollegelibrary.films 



***

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." --Neil Peart

***

*From:*videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Meghann 
Matwichuk

*Sent:* Friday, December 02, 2016 10:59 AM
*To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
*Subject:* Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o 
Educational Availability


I like the idea of a petition.  Who would we target?  Amazon (Prime) 
and Netflix seem to be the primary 'offenders' right now.  (But there 
are individual / self-distributors who are also only selling to 
individuals via stream.)


Another possibility -- maybe a joint letter from VRT and NMM?

Meredith and other vendor allies -- what do you think would be a good 
way for those of us interested in making a joint statement to get the 
attention of the right folks?


Alternately, it might be helpful to attach something like the joint 
letter or a statement with a giant gob of signatories when we're all 
individually contacting distributors.  Like, keep it on your desktop 
and just clip it to any of these individual emails we might send when 
we advocate for educational distribution.  "You might be interested to 
know that there are many who are concerned about this issue, and are 
interested in purchasing hard copies and educational licenses.  Please 
see the attached letter."



--
Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
Associate Librarian
Coordinator, Film & Video Collection
Morris Library, University of Delaware
181 S. College Ave.
Newark, DE 19717
(302) 831-1475
https://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo

On 12/2/2016 10:29 AM, Laura Jenemann wrote:

Hi all,

I’m happy to add my voice.  Is there a group letter writing
option?  Change.org post?  Blog post option?  I may be able to
help with the tech for this.

Once again, Ava DuVernay has gotten the ball rolling on an
important topic.  Why not keep it rolling?

Regards,

Laura

Laura Jenemann

Media, Film Studies & Dance Librarian

George Mason University Libraries

Email: ljene...@gmu.edu 

Phone: 703-993-7593

*From:*videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu

[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of
*Wochna, Lorraine
*Sent:* Thursday, December 1, 2016 6:05 PM
*To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu 
*Subject:* Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o
Educational Availability

Meghann,

Thanks so much for such a thorough response.

Yes, I agree and will challenge these distributors as well!

Best,

lorraine

*From:*videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu

[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of
*Meghann Matwichuk
*Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2016 3:17 PM
*To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu 
*Subject:* [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o
Educational Availability

Thanks for passing this along, Lorraine!!  This is exciting! 
Although, it doesn't quite solve the problem of having a physical

copy in our collection, or a streaming version to which we can
provide access for our patrons who may not have a Netflix
account.  I was just having a conversation about this (films
produced by streaming services without any means for libraries to
purchase hard copies or license) with the lovely Meredith Miller
not a few hours ago, and just a week or two ago had an exchange
with the distributors of the Netflix film Audrie and Daisy
. It went as follows:

Me: "Greetings, I am a media librarian at the University of
Delaware Library. One of UD's student groups will be hosting a
film screening of Audrie & Daisy soon, and we've already had
requests that we add the film to our Library's collection so that
it can be used in classes and made available for students to watch
fo

Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational Availability

[Threatt, Monique Louise]

I'm on board to sign!

Best,
Mo

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Albrecht
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 11:12 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational 
Availability

I think these are genius ideas from Meghann.  I especially like the idea of a 
joint letter from VRT and NMM and having an "all set" statement with many 
signatures ready to attach to an email we're sending.

So who's the drafter? ;)

Susan Albrecht
Graduate Fellowship Advisor
Library Media Acquisitions Manager
Wabash College Lilly Library
765-361-6216 (acquisitions) / 765-361-6297 (fellowships)
765-361-6295 fax
albre...@wabash.edu
Twitter:  @Wab_Fellowships
www.facebook.com/wabashcollegelibrary.films

***
"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." --Neil Peart
***

From: 
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Meghann Matwichuk
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 10:59 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational 
Availability

I like the idea of a petition.  Who would we target?  Amazon (Prime) and 
Netflix seem to be the primary 'offenders' right now.  (But there are 
individual / self-distributors who are also only selling to individuals via 
stream.)

Another possibility -- maybe a joint letter from VRT and NMM?

Meredith and other vendor allies -- what do you think would be a good way for 
those of us interested in making a joint statement to get the attention of the 
right folks?

Alternately, it might be helpful to attach something like the joint letter or a 
statement with a giant gob of signatories when we're all individually 
contacting distributors.  Like, keep it on your desktop and just clip it to any 
of these individual emails we might send when we advocate for educational 
distribution.  "You might be interested to know that there are many who are 
concerned about this issue, and are interested in purchasing hard copies and 
educational licenses.  Please see the attached letter."


--



Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.

Associate Librarian

Coordinator, Film & Video Collection

Morris Library, University of Delaware

181 S. College Ave.

Newark, DE 19717

(302) 831-1475

https://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo

On 12/2/2016 10:29 AM, Laura Jenemann wrote:
Hi all,

I'm happy to add my voice.  Is there a group letter writing option?  Change.org 
post?  Blog post option?  I may be able to help with the tech for this.

Once again, Ava DuVernay has gotten the ball rolling on an important topic.  
Why not keep it rolling?

Regards,
Laura

Laura Jenemann
Media, Film Studies & Dance Librarian
George Mason University Libraries
Email: ljene...@gmu.edu
Phone: 703-993-7593

From: 
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Wochna, Lorraine
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 6:05 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational 
Availability

Meghann,
Thanks so much for such a thorough response.
Yes, I agree and will challenge these distributors as well!
Best,
lorraine


From: 
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Meghann Matwichuk
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 3:17 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational Availability


Thanks for passing this along, Lorraine!!  This is exciting!  Although, it 
doesn't quite solve the problem of having a physical copy in our collection, or 
a streaming version to which we can provide access for our patrons who may not 
have a Netflix account.  I was just having a conversation about this (films 
produced by streaming services without any means for libraries to purchase hard 
copies or license) with the lovely Meredith Miller not a few hours ago, and 
just a week or two ago had an exchange with the distributors of the Netflix 
film Audrie and Daisy.  It went as follows:

Me: "Greetings, I am a media librarian at the University of Delaware Library. 
One of UD's student groups will be hosting a film screening of Audrie & Daisy 
soon, and we've already had requests that we add the film to our Library's 
collection so that it can be used in classes and made available for students to 
watch for research. Are there any plans to mak

Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational Availability

[Jessica Rosner]

I hate to be the Debbie Downer but I think there is zero chance Netfix ever
agrees to physical copies. They MIGHT agree to some kind of deal for
allowing schools to stream. I should point out that they also won't allow
theaters to show their films other than qualifying runs for Oscars in NY &
LA. Amazon seems far more open but again probably not keen on physical
copies.

Jessica


On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Dennis Doros  wrote:

> Reed Hastings of Netflix. He's the one who's always in the trades and
> papers.
>
> Best regards,
> Dennis Doros
> Milestone Film & Video
> PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
> Phone: 201-767-3117 <(201)%20767-3117> / Fax: 201-767-3035
> <(201)%20767-3035> / Email: milefi...@gmail.com
> www.milestone.film
>
>
> JOIN OUR MAILING LIST TODAY!
> 
> Support us on Facebook
>  and Twitter
> !
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Laura Jenemann  wrote:
>
>> You might even get the film users – for example, professors – to express
>> interest.
>>
>>
>>
>> Laura
>>
>>
>>
>> Laura Jenemann
>>
>> Media, Film Studies & Dance Librarian
>>
>> George Mason University Libraries
>>
>> Email: ljene...@gmu.edu
>>
>> Phone: 703-993-7593 <(703)%20993-7593>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
>> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Meghann Matwichuk
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 2, 2016 10:59 AM
>> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o
>> Educational Availability
>>
>>
>>
>> I like the idea of a petition.  Who would we target?  Amazon (Prime) and
>> Netflix seem to be the primary 'offenders' right now.  (But there are
>> individual / self-distributors who are also only selling to individuals via
>> stream.)
>>
>> Another possibility -- maybe a joint letter from VRT and NMM?
>>
>> Meredith and other vendor allies -- what do you think would be a good way
>> for those of us interested in making a joint statement to get the attention
>> of the right folks?
>>
>> Alternately, it might be helpful to attach something like the joint
>> letter or a statement with a giant gob of signatories when we're all
>> individually contacting distributors.  Like, keep it on your desktop and
>> just clip it to any of these individual emails we might send when we
>> advocate for educational distribution.  "You might be interested to know
>> that there are many who are concerned about this issue, and are interested
>> in purchasing hard copies and educational licenses.  Please see the
>> attached letter."
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
>>
>> Associate Librarian
>>
>> Coordinator, Film & Video Collection
>>
>> Morris Library, University of Delaware
>>
>> 181 S. College Ave.
>>
>> Newark, DE 19717
>>
>> (302) 831-1475
>>
>> https://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/2/2016 10:29 AM, Laura Jenemann wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m happy to add my voice.  Is there a group letter writing option?
>> Change.org post?  Blog post option?  I may be able to help with the tech
>> for this.
>>
>>
>>
>> Once again, Ava DuVernay has gotten the ball rolling on an important
>> topic.  Why not keep it rolling?
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Laura
>>
>>
>>
>> Laura Jenemann
>>
>> Media, Film Studies & Dance Librarian
>>
>> George Mason University Libraries
>>
>> Email: ljene...@gmu.edu
>>
>> Phone: 703-993-7593 <(703)%20993-7593>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [
>> mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Wochna, Lorraine
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 1, 2016 6:05 PM
>> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o
>> Educational Availability
>>
>>
>>
>> Meghann,
>>
>> Thanks so much for such a thorough response.
>>
>> Yes, I agree and will challenge these distributors as well!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> lorraine
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [
>> mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Meghann Matwichuk
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2016 3:17 PM
>> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> *Subject:* [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational
>> Availability
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for passing this along, Lorraine!!  This is exciting!  Although,
>> it doesn't quite solve the problem of having a physical copy in our
>> collection, or a streaming version to which we can provide access for our
>> patrons who may not have a Netflix account.  I was just having a
>> conversation about this (films produced by streaming services without any
>> means for libraries to purchase hard copies or license) with the lovely
>> Meredith Miller not a few hours ago, and just a week or two ago had an
>> exchange with the distributors of the Netflix film Audrie and Daisy
>> 

Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational Availability

[Sarah E. McCleskey]

These are all good ideas.

I was thinking about inviting representatives from Netflix and Amazon (and 
Filmstruck?? And others?) to NMM 2017 (Portland, Oregon). I am brainstorming 
some sponsorship opportunities, and would like to look to companies outside our 
field of exhibitors. I think that if we could get the big streaming services 
interested in attending/sponsoring an event, we would then have a chance to 
bend some corporate ears about educational licensing, hard copies, etc.

Meredith and I can follow up on this. I think she already spoke with someone 
from Netflix. I am not sure these folks know that we exist, and we need to 
change that!!

Sarah



From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Meghann Matwichuk
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 10:59 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational 
Availability

I like the idea of a petition.  Who would we target?  Amazon (Prime) and 
Netflix seem to be the primary 'offenders' right now.  (But there are 
individual / self-distributors who are also only selling to individuals via 
stream.)

Another possibility -- maybe a joint letter from VRT and NMM?

Meredith and other vendor allies -- what do you think would be a good way for 
those of us interested in making a joint statement to get the attention of the 
right folks?

Alternately, it might be helpful to attach something like the joint letter or a 
statement with a giant gob of signatories when we're all individually 
contacting distributors.  Like, keep it on your desktop and just clip it to any 
of these individual emails we might send when we advocate for educational 
distribution.  "You might be interested to know that there are many who are 
concerned about this issue, and are interested in purchasing hard copies and 
educational licenses.  Please see the attached letter."



--



Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.

Associate Librarian

Coordinator, Film & Video Collection

Morris Library, University of Delaware

181 S. College Ave.

Newark, DE 19717

(302) 831-1475

https://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo

On 12/2/2016 10:29 AM, Laura Jenemann wrote:
Hi all,

I'm happy to add my voice.  Is there a group letter writing option?  Change.org 
post?  Blog post option?  I may be able to help with the tech for this.

Once again, Ava DuVernay has gotten the ball rolling on an important topic.  
Why not keep it rolling?

Regards,
Laura

Laura Jenemann
Media, Film Studies & Dance Librarian
George Mason University Libraries
Email: ljene...@gmu.edu
Phone: 703-993-7593

From: 
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Wochna, Lorraine
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 6:05 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational 
Availability

Meghann,
Thanks so much for such a thorough response.
Yes, I agree and will challenge these distributors as well!
Best,
lorraine


From: 
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Meghann Matwichuk
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 3:17 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational Availability


Thanks for passing this along, Lorraine!!  This is exciting!  Although, it 
doesn't quite solve the problem of having a physical copy in our collection, or 
a streaming version to which we can provide access for our patrons who may not 
have a Netflix account.  I was just having a conversation about this (films 
produced by streaming services without any means for libraries to purchase hard 
copies or license) with the lovely Meredith Miller not a few hours ago, and 
just a week or two ago had an exchange with the distributors of the Netflix 
film Audrie and Daisy.  It went as follows:

Me: "Greetings, I am a media librarian at the University of Delaware Library. 
One of UD's student groups will be hosting a film screening of Audrie & Daisy 
soon, and we've already had requests that we add the film to our Library's 
collection so that it can be used in classes and made available for students to 
watch for research. Are there any plans to make Audrie & Daisy available for 
purchase on DVD soon, or via some other mechanism that allows institutional 
access?  I've personally watched the film via my own Netflix account, and I 
know it would be a great resource for our faculty and students. Thank you!"

Carla @ Filmsprout:  "Thanks so much for your note, and we're thrilled to hear 
that the Library is interested in the film. I'm so sorry, but currently there 
aren't plans to make the film available for institutional purchase because the 
film is already a

Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational Availability

[Dennis Doros]

Reed Hastings of Netflix. He's the one who's always in the trades and
papers.

Best regards,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video
PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com
www.milestone.film


JOIN OUR MAILING LIST TODAY!

Support us on Facebook
 and Twitter
!


On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Laura Jenemann  wrote:

> You might even get the film users – for example, professors – to express
> interest.
>
>
>
> Laura
>
>
>
> Laura Jenemann
>
> Media, Film Studies & Dance Librarian
>
> George Mason University Libraries
>
> Email: ljene...@gmu.edu
>
> Phone: 703-993-7593 <(703)%20993-7593>
>
>
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-bounces@
> lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Meghann Matwichuk
> *Sent:* Friday, December 2, 2016 10:59 AM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational
> Availability
>
>
>
> I like the idea of a petition.  Who would we target?  Amazon (Prime) and
> Netflix seem to be the primary 'offenders' right now.  (But there are
> individual / self-distributors who are also only selling to individuals via
> stream.)
>
> Another possibility -- maybe a joint letter from VRT and NMM?
>
> Meredith and other vendor allies -- what do you think would be a good way
> for those of us interested in making a joint statement to get the attention
> of the right folks?
>
> Alternately, it might be helpful to attach something like the joint letter
> or a statement with a giant gob of signatories when we're all individually
> contacting distributors.  Like, keep it on your desktop and just clip it to
> any of these individual emails we might send when we advocate for
> educational distribution.  "You might be interested to know that there are
> many who are concerned about this issue, and are interested in purchasing
> hard copies and educational licenses.  Please see the attached letter."
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
>
> Associate Librarian
>
> Coordinator, Film & Video Collection
>
> Morris Library, University of Delaware
>
> 181 S. College Ave.
>
> Newark, DE 19717
>
> (302) 831-1475
>
> https://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo
>
>
>
> On 12/2/2016 10:29 AM, Laura Jenemann wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I’m happy to add my voice.  Is there a group letter writing option?
> Change.org post?  Blog post option?  I may be able to help with the tech
> for this.
>
>
>
> Once again, Ava DuVernay has gotten the ball rolling on an important
> topic.  Why not keep it rolling?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Laura
>
>
>
> Laura Jenemann
>
> Media, Film Studies & Dance Librarian
>
> George Mason University Libraries
>
> Email: ljene...@gmu.edu
>
> Phone: 703-993-7593 <(703)%20993-7593>
>
>
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-bounces@
> lists.berkeley.edu ] *On Behalf Of 
> *Wochna,
> Lorraine
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 1, 2016 6:05 PM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational
> Availability
>
>
>
> Meghann,
>
> Thanks so much for such a thorough response.
>
> Yes, I agree and will challenge these distributors as well!
>
> Best,
>
> lorraine
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-bounces@
> lists.berkeley.edu ] *On Behalf Of 
> *Meghann
> Matwichuk
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2016 3:17 PM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational
> Availability
>
>
>
> Thanks for passing this along, Lorraine!!  This is exciting!  Although, it
> doesn't quite solve the problem of having a physical copy in our
> collection, or a streaming version to which we can provide access for our
> patrons who may not have a Netflix account.  I was just having a
> conversation about this (films produced by streaming services without any
> means for libraries to purchase hard copies or license) with the lovely
> Meredith Miller not a few hours ago, and just a week or two ago had an
> exchange with the distributors of the Netflix film Audrie and Daisy
> .  It went as follows:
>
> Me: "Greetings, I am a media librarian at the University of Delaware
> Library. One of UD's student groups will be hosting a film screening of
> Audrie & Daisy soon, and we've already had requests that we add the film to
> our Library's collection so that it can be used in classes and made
> available for students to watch for research. Are there any plans to make
> Audrie & Daisy available for purchase on DVD soon, or via some other
> mechanism that allows institutional access?  I've personally watched the
> film via my own Netflix account, and I know it would be a great resource
> for our facult

Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational Availability

[Susan Albrecht]

I think these are genius ideas from Meghann.  I especially like the idea of a 
joint letter from VRT and NMM and having an "all set" statement with many 
signatures ready to attach to an email we're sending.

So who's the drafter? ;)

Susan Albrecht
Graduate Fellowship Advisor
Library Media Acquisitions Manager
Wabash College Lilly Library
765-361-6216 (acquisitions) / 765-361-6297 (fellowships)
765-361-6295 fax
albre...@wabash.edu
Twitter:  @Wab_Fellowships
www.facebook.com/wabashcollegelibrary.films

***
"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." --Neil Peart
***

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Meghann Matwichuk
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 10:59 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational 
Availability

I like the idea of a petition.  Who would we target?  Amazon (Prime) and 
Netflix seem to be the primary 'offenders' right now.  (But there are 
individual / self-distributors who are also only selling to individuals via 
stream.)

Another possibility -- maybe a joint letter from VRT and NMM?

Meredith and other vendor allies -- what do you think would be a good way for 
those of us interested in making a joint statement to get the attention of the 
right folks?

Alternately, it might be helpful to attach something like the joint letter or a 
statement with a giant gob of signatories when we're all individually 
contacting distributors.  Like, keep it on your desktop and just clip it to any 
of these individual emails we might send when we advocate for educational 
distribution.  "You might be interested to know that there are many who are 
concerned about this issue, and are interested in purchasing hard copies and 
educational licenses.  Please see the attached letter."



--



Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.

Associate Librarian

Coordinator, Film & Video Collection

Morris Library, University of Delaware

181 S. College Ave.

Newark, DE 19717

(302) 831-1475

https://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo

On 12/2/2016 10:29 AM, Laura Jenemann wrote:
Hi all,

I'm happy to add my voice.  Is there a group letter writing option?  Change.org 
post?  Blog post option?  I may be able to help with the tech for this.

Once again, Ava DuVernay has gotten the ball rolling on an important topic.  
Why not keep it rolling?

Regards,
Laura

Laura Jenemann
Media, Film Studies & Dance Librarian
George Mason University Libraries
Email: ljene...@gmu.edu
Phone: 703-993-7593

From: 
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Wochna, Lorraine
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 6:05 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational 
Availability

Meghann,
Thanks so much for such a thorough response.
Yes, I agree and will challenge these distributors as well!
Best,
lorraine


From: 
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Meghann Matwichuk
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 3:17 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational Availability


Thanks for passing this along, Lorraine!!  This is exciting!  Although, it 
doesn't quite solve the problem of having a physical copy in our collection, or 
a streaming version to which we can provide access for our patrons who may not 
have a Netflix account.  I was just having a conversation about this (films 
produced by streaming services without any means for libraries to purchase hard 
copies or license) with the lovely Meredith Miller not a few hours ago, and 
just a week or two ago had an exchange with the distributors of the Netflix 
film Audrie and Daisy.  It went as follows:

Me: "Greetings, I am a media librarian at the University of Delaware Library. 
One of UD's student groups will be hosting a film screening of Audrie & Daisy 
soon, and we've already had requests that we add the film to our Library's 
collection so that it can be used in classes and made available for students to 
watch for research. Are there any plans to make Audrie & Daisy available for 
purchase on DVD soon, or via some other mechanism that allows institutional 
access?  I've personally watched the film via my own Netflix account, and I 
know it would be a great resource for our faculty and students. Thank you!"

Carla @ Filmsprout:  "Thanks so much for your note, and we're thrilled to hear 
that the Library is interested in the film. I

Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational Availability

[Laura Jenemann]

You might even get the film users - for example, professors - to express 
interest.

Laura

Laura Jenemann
Media, Film Studies & Dance Librarian
George Mason University Libraries
Email: ljene...@gmu.edu
Phone: 703-993-7593

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Meghann Matwichuk
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 10:59 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational 
Availability

I like the idea of a petition.  Who would we target?  Amazon (Prime) and 
Netflix seem to be the primary 'offenders' right now.  (But there are 
individual / self-distributors who are also only selling to individuals via 
stream.)

Another possibility -- maybe a joint letter from VRT and NMM?

Meredith and other vendor allies -- what do you think would be a good way for 
those of us interested in making a joint statement to get the attention of the 
right folks?

Alternately, it might be helpful to attach something like the joint letter or a 
statement with a giant gob of signatories when we're all individually 
contacting distributors.  Like, keep it on your desktop and just clip it to any 
of these individual emails we might send when we advocate for educational 
distribution.  "You might be interested to know that there are many who are 
concerned about this issue, and are interested in purchasing hard copies and 
educational licenses.  Please see the attached letter."



--



Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.

Associate Librarian

Coordinator, Film & Video Collection

Morris Library, University of Delaware

181 S. College Ave.

Newark, DE 19717

(302) 831-1475

https://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo

On 12/2/2016 10:29 AM, Laura Jenemann wrote:
Hi all,

I'm happy to add my voice.  Is there a group letter writing option?  Change.org 
post?  Blog post option?  I may be able to help with the tech for this.

Once again, Ava DuVernay has gotten the ball rolling on an important topic.  
Why not keep it rolling?

Regards,
Laura

Laura Jenemann
Media, Film Studies & Dance Librarian
George Mason University Libraries
Email: ljene...@gmu.edu
Phone: 703-993-7593

From: 
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Wochna, Lorraine
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 6:05 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational 
Availability

Meghann,
Thanks so much for such a thorough response.
Yes, I agree and will challenge these distributors as well!
Best,
lorraine


From: 
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Meghann Matwichuk
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 3:17 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational Availability


Thanks for passing this along, Lorraine!!  This is exciting!  Although, it 
doesn't quite solve the problem of having a physical copy in our collection, or 
a streaming version to which we can provide access for our patrons who may not 
have a Netflix account.  I was just having a conversation about this (films 
produced by streaming services without any means for libraries to purchase hard 
copies or license) with the lovely Meredith Miller not a few hours ago, and 
just a week or two ago had an exchange with the distributors of the Netflix 
film Audrie and Daisy.  It went as follows:

Me: "Greetings, I am a media librarian at the University of Delaware Library. 
One of UD's student groups will be hosting a film screening of Audrie & Daisy 
soon, and we've already had requests that we add the film to our Library's 
collection so that it can be used in classes and made available for students to 
watch for research. Are there any plans to make Audrie & Daisy available for 
purchase on DVD soon, or via some other mechanism that allows institutional 
access?  I've personally watched the film via my own Netflix account, and I 
know it would be a great resource for our faculty and students. Thank you!"

Carla @ Filmsprout:  "Thanks so much for your note, and we're thrilled to hear 
that the Library is interested in the film. I'm so sorry, but currently there 
aren't plans to make the film available for institutional purchase because the 
film is already available for individual and private classroom use via the 
Netflix service. However, I'd be glad to let you know if anything changes!"

Me:  "Institutions are not able to subscribe to Netflix, so unfortunately we 
can't offer private classroom use via the Netflix service.  I hope that this 
may change in the near future, as we've been unable to provide equitable access 
to some excellent programming due to the models

Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational Availability

[Meghann Matwichuk]

I like the idea of a petition.  Who would we target?  Amazon (Prime) and 
Netflix seem to be the primary 'offenders' right now.  (But there are 
individual / self-distributors who are also only selling to individuals 
via stream.)


Another possibility -- maybe a joint letter from VRT and NMM?

Meredith and other vendor allies -- what do you think would be a good 
way for those of us interested in making a joint statement to get the 
attention of the right folks?


Alternately, it might be helpful to attach something like the joint 
letter or a statement with a giant gob of signatories when we're all 
individually contacting distributors.  Like, keep it on your desktop and 
just clip it to any of these individual emails we might send when we 
advocate for educational distribution.  "You might be interested to know 
that there are many who are concerned about this issue, and are 
interested in purchasing hard copies and educational licenses.  Please 
see the attached letter."


--

Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.
Associate Librarian
Coordinator, Film & Video Collection
Morris Library, University of Delaware
181 S. College Ave.
Newark, DE 19717
(302) 831-1475
https://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo


On 12/2/2016 10:29 AM, Laura Jenemann wrote:


Hi all,

I’m happy to add my voice.  Is there a group letter writing option?  
Change.org post?  Blog post option?  I may be able to help with the 
tech for this.


Once again, Ava DuVernay has gotten the ball rolling on an important 
topic.  Why not keep it rolling?


Regards,

Laura

Laura Jenemann

Media, Film Studies & Dance Librarian

George Mason University Libraries

Email: ljene...@gmu.edu 

Phone: 703-993-7593

*From:*videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Wochna, 
Lorraine

*Sent:* Thursday, December 1, 2016 6:05 PM
*To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
*Subject:* Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o 
Educational Availability


Meghann,

Thanks so much for such a thorough response.

Yes, I agree and will challenge these distributors as well!

Best,

lorraine

*From:*videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Meghann 
Matwichuk

*Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2016 3:17 PM
*To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu 
*Subject:* [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational 
Availability


Thanks for passing this along, Lorraine!!  This is exciting! Although, 
it doesn't quite solve the problem of having a physical copy in our 
collection, or a streaming version to which we can provide access for 
our patrons who may not have a Netflix account.  I was just having a 
conversation about this (films produced by streaming services without 
any means for libraries to purchase hard copies or license) with the 
lovely Meredith Miller not a few hours ago, and just a week or two ago 
had an exchange with the distributors of the Netflix film Audrie and 
Daisy . It went as follows:


Me: "Greetings, I am a media librarian at the University of Delaware 
Library. One of UD's student groups will be hosting a film screening 
of Audrie & Daisy soon, and we've already had requests that we add the 
film to our Library's collection so that it can be used in classes and 
made available for students to watch for research. Are there any plans 
to make Audrie & Daisy available for purchase on DVD soon, or via some 
other mechanism that allows institutional access?  I've personally 
watched the film via my own Netflix account, and I know it would be a 
great resource for our faculty and students. Thank you!"


Carla @ Filmsprout:  "Thanks so much for your note, and we're thrilled 
to hear that the Library is interested in the film. I'm so sorry, but 
currently there aren't plans to make the film available for 
institutional purchase because the film is already available for 
individual and private classroom use via the Netflix service. However, 
I'd be glad to let you know if anything changes!"


Me:  "Institutions are not able to subscribe to Netflix, so 
unfortunately we can't offer private classroom use via the Netflix 
service.  I hope that this may change in the near future, as we've 
been unable to provide equitable access to some excellent programming 
due to the models put forth by Amazon Prime, Netflix, etc.  Please do 
let me know if anything should change with 'Audrie & Daisy'."


Carla:  "Thank you for your note, and I hear you. I've shared your 
feedback with my team, and I will absolutely let you know if anything 
changes around institutional licensing for the film."


Several of us (myself, Lorraine, and a few others who may or may not 
be on VideoLib?) who attended National Media Market in October 
discussed this very thing over lunch one afternoon -- the need to 
advocate and raise awareness amongst the producers of 

Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational Availability

[Laura Jenemann]

Hi all,

I'm happy to add my voice.  Is there a group letter writing option?  Change.org 
post?  Blog post option?  I may be able to help with the tech for this.

Once again, Ava DuVernay has gotten the ball rolling on an important topic.  
Why not keep it rolling?

Regards,
Laura

Laura Jenemann
Media, Film Studies & Dance Librarian
George Mason University Libraries
Email: ljene...@gmu.edu
Phone: 703-993-7593

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Wochna, Lorraine
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 6:05 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational 
Availability

Meghann,
Thanks so much for such a thorough response.
Yes, I agree and will challenge these distributors as well!
Best,
lorraine


From: 
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Meghann Matwichuk
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 3:17 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] 13th and Streaming Distribution w/o Educational Availability


Thanks for passing this along, Lorraine!!  This is exciting!  Although, it 
doesn't quite solve the problem of having a physical copy in our collection, or 
a streaming version to which we can provide access for our patrons who may not 
have a Netflix account.  I was just having a conversation about this (films 
produced by streaming services without any means for libraries to purchase hard 
copies or license) with the lovely Meredith Miller not a few hours ago, and 
just a week or two ago had an exchange with the distributors of the Netflix 
film Audrie and Daisy.  It went as follows:

Me: "Greetings, I am a media librarian at the University of Delaware Library. 
One of UD's student groups will be hosting a film screening of Audrie & Daisy 
soon, and we've already had requests that we add the film to our Library's 
collection so that it can be used in classes and made available for students to 
watch for research. Are there any plans to make Audrie & Daisy available for 
purchase on DVD soon, or via some other mechanism that allows institutional 
access?  I've personally watched the film via my own Netflix account, and I 
know it would be a great resource for our faculty and students. Thank you!"

Carla @ Filmsprout:  "Thanks so much for your note, and we're thrilled to hear 
that the Library is interested in the film. I'm so sorry, but currently there 
aren't plans to make the film available for institutional purchase because the 
film is already available for individual and private classroom use via the 
Netflix service. However, I'd be glad to let you know if anything changes!"

Me:  "Institutions are not able to subscribe to Netflix, so unfortunately we 
can't offer private classroom use via the Netflix service.  I hope that this 
may change in the near future, as we've been unable to provide equitable access 
to some excellent programming due to the models put forth by Amazon Prime, 
Netflix, etc.  Please do let me know if anything should change with 'Audrie & 
Daisy'."

Carla:  "Thank you for your note, and I hear you. I've shared your feedback 
with my team, and I will absolutely let you know if anything changes around 
institutional licensing for the film."

Several of us (myself, Lorraine, and a few others who may or may not be on 
VideoLib?) who attended National Media Market in October discussed this very 
thing over lunch one afternoon -- the need to advocate and raise awareness 
amongst the producers of films that fit into this growing category.  Towards 
that end, I'd encourage everyone to take the extra time to contact producers of 
films like 13th, Audrie & Daisy, Transparent, etc. when your students / 
instructors request them to help the producers understand the need for an 
educational distribution model that would allow us to provide access to these 
important films.  Clearly, Ms. DuVernay and the Filmsprout folks intend for 
these documentaries to be widely seen and utilized in educational settings -- 
they need to hear from us that we share that mission and need options to pay 
them for / license their content.

Best,

--



Meghann Matwichuk, M.S.

Associate Librarian

Coordinator, Film & Video Collection

Morris Library, University of Delaware

181 S. College Ave.

Newark, DE 19717

(302) 831-1475

https://library.udel.edu/filmandvideo
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video produc

[Videolib] Expanding Library Relevancy - Call for book chapters due 1/15

[Laura Jenemann]

Dear videolib,



Passing along this call for book chapters due January 15.  Media and video 
would be an excellent addition to this publication.



Regards,

Laura



Expanding Library Relevancy: Innovation to Meet Changing Needs



Book Publisher: McFarland

Vera Gubnitskaia, co-editor. Contributor, Bringing the Arts into the Library 
(ALA, 2014); co-editor, Continuing Education for Librarians (McFarland, 2013); 
academic librarian, indexer.

Carol Smallwood, co-editor, Library's Role in Supporting Financial Literacy for 
Patrons (Rowman & Littlefield, 2016); public library administrator, special, 
school librarian.



One or two chapters sought from U.S. practicing academic, public, school, 
special librarians, LIS faculty, on creative, practical how-to chapters, case 
studies, about libraries as learning centers, career and technology helpers, 
after-school programs, branding, and new ways to use libraries. It will fill a 
gap in the literature, share successes in broadening library service to fit 
changing patron needs.



No previously published, simultaneously submitted material. One, two, or three 
authors per chapter; each chapter by the same author(s) Compensation: one 
complimentary copy per 3,000-4,000 word chapter accepted no matter how many 
co-authors or if one or two chapters; author discount.



Please e-mail titles of proposed chapter(s) described in a few sentences by 
January 15, 2017, with brief bio on each author; place REL, Your Name on 
subject line: gubnit...@gmail.com



Laura Jenemann
Media, Film Studies & Dance Librarian
George Mason University Libraries
Email: ljene...@gmu.edu
Phone: 703-993-7593

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.