[Videolib] Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries

[Thomas, Judith (jet3h)]

Dear Colleagues,
The Fair Use and Video Project has posted online its document titled "Community 
Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries,"  
http://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Fair_Use_and_Video/.
For an introduction to the document, please see Carrie's Russell's blog post on 
ALA'S District Dispatch at 
http://www.districtdispatch.org/2012/04/introducing-community-practices-in-the-fair-use-of-video-in-libraries/
 .
To those of you who contributed your time and effort to answer our surveys, 
attend our focus groups, or comment on our drafts, we offer you our sincere 
thanks.
This project began as an attempt by the Video Roundtable to establish a 
recommended body of practice in the fair use of video for educational purposes. 
A team of six librarians, with advice and guidance from ALA’s Office of 
Information Technology Policy, coordinated the process of gathering input from 
the media librarian community and then created a document describing our 
findings. We decided to focus on documenting our community practices, i.e. how 
librarians routinely and responsibly fulfill their mission to preserve and 
provide access to our cultural record.The team conducted in-person 
interviews at national conferences and hosted a series of focus groups at 
locations across the country: Boston, Seattle, Evanston, Washington, D.C. and 
Richmond.  About eighty library staff members with varying responsibilities for 
buying, processing, and/or supporting the educational use of video were 
included in our surveys.
We welcome your comments and suggestions!   This is a living document and your 
comments may prompt revisions.   If you'd like to leave a comment, please use 
the Comments link on the right.  Please do let me know if you have any problems 
accessing or using the site.
 http://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Fair_Use_and_Video/

Best regards,

Judy Thomas, University of Virginia

for the Fair Use and Video Working Group:
Steve Brantley, University of Illinois at Chicago
Nell Chenault, Virginia Commonwealth University
Carleton Jackson, University of Maryland
Carrie Russell, American Library Association, Office for Information Technology 
Policy
Claire Stewart, Northwestern University
Judith Thomas, University of Virginia
Justin Wadland, University of Washington-Tacoma


Judith Thomas
Director, Arts and Media Services
University of Virginia Library
434.924.8814   / jtho...@virginia.edu



VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries

[ghandman]

Hi all

Well...as my screed yesterday demonstrates, it's never too late to be
stupid.  As my friend Judy Thomas reminded me (tactfully offline), I was,
indeed, surveyed for this project.  I owe an apology to Judy and her
hard-working crew, as well as thanks for attempting to bring at least a
bit of clarity to these knotty and often maddeningly obtuse issues.

I think my lashing out stems from a general and continuing frustration
with the fact that, in all too many cases, policy and practice and
advocacy in the areas of video copyright and licensing, fair use, etc. are
often being made in the library and academic worlds by individuals and
groups who have very little knowledge of or stake in either the worlds of
video production and distribution, or the on-going process of video
collection development and management.  The direct relationship between
the economic health and viability of content producers/distributors and
the building of useful and diverse collections is something about which
those of us actually "doing media" know a great deal.  Not so much the
pundits at ARL...

My rather snarky note yesterday was penned with an apparently ill-founded
fear that the right people weren't being queried, and that these
misinformed responses would form the basis of best practice...

In any case...I hope Judy and her team will forgive my late-career lapse
in judgment.

Gary Handman





> Dear Colleagues,
> The Fair Use and Video Project has posted online its document titled
> "Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries,"
> http://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Fair_Use_and_Video/.
> For an introduction to the document, please see Carrie's Russell's blog
> post on ALA'S District Dispatch at
> http://www.districtdispatch.org/2012/04/introducing-community-practices-in-the-fair-use-of-video-in-libraries/
> .
> To those of you who contributed your time and effort to answer our
> surveys, attend our focus groups, or comment on our drafts, we offer you
> our sincere thanks.
> This project began as an attempt by the Video Roundtable to establish a
> recommended body of practice in the fair use of video for educational
> purposes. A team of six librarians, with advice and guidance from ALA’s
> Office of Information Technology Policy, coordinated the process of
> gathering input from the media librarian community and then created a
> document describing our findings. We decided to focus on documenting our
> community practices, i.e. how librarians routinely and responsibly fulfill
> their mission to preserve and provide access to our cultural record.
> The team conducted in-person interviews at national conferences and hosted
> a series of focus groups at locations across the country: Boston, Seattle,
> Evanston, Washington, D.C. and Richmond.  About eighty library staff
> members with varying responsibilities for buying, processing, and/or
> supporting the educational use of video were included in our surveys.
> We welcome your comments and suggestions!   This is a living document and
> your comments may prompt revisions.   If you'd like to leave a comment,
> please use the Comments link on the right.  Please do let me know if you
> have any problems accessing or using the site.
>  http://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Fair_Use_and_Video/
>
> Best regards,
>
> Judy Thomas, University of Virginia
>
> for the Fair Use and Video Working Group:
> Steve Brantley, University of Illinois at Chicago
> Nell Chenault, Virginia Commonwealth University
> Carleton Jackson, University of Maryland
> Carrie Russell, American Library Association, Office for Information
> Technology Policy
> Claire Stewart, Northwestern University
> Judith Thomas, University of Virginia
> Justin Wadland, University of Washington-Tacoma
>
>
> Judith Thomas
> Director, Arts and Media Services
> University of Virginia Library
> 434.924.8814   / jtho...@virginia.edu
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a chann

Re: [Videolib] Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries

[Tatar, Becky]

Gary - 10 lashes with old videotape!  

Becky Tatar
Periodicals/Audiovisuals
Aurora Public Library
1 E. Benton Street
Aurora, IL   60505
Phone: 630-264-4100
FAX: 630-896-3209
blt...@aurora.lib.il.us
www.aurorapubliclibrary.org


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From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of 
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 10:47 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in 
Libraries

Hi all

Well...as my screed yesterday demonstrates, it's never too late to be stupid.  
As my friend Judy Thomas reminded me (tactfully offline), I was, indeed, 
surveyed for this project.  I owe an apology to Judy and her hard-working crew, 
as well as thanks for attempting to bring at least a bit of clarity to these 
knotty and often maddeningly obtuse issues.

I think my lashing out stems from a general and continuing frustration with the 
fact that, in all too many cases, policy and practice and advocacy in the areas 
of video copyright and licensing, fair use, etc. are often being made in the 
library and academic worlds by individuals and groups who have very little 
knowledge of or stake in either the worlds of video production and 
distribution, or the on-going process of video collection development and 
management.  The direct relationship between the economic health and viability 
of content producers/distributors and the building of useful and diverse 
collections is something about which those of us actually "doing media" know a 
great deal.  Not so much the pundits at ARL...

My rather snarky note yesterday was penned with an apparently ill-founded fear 
that the right people weren't being queried, and that these misinformed 
responses would form the basis of best practice...

In any case...I hope Judy and her team will forgive my late-career lapse in 
judgment.

Gary Handman





> Dear Colleagues,
> The Fair Use and Video Project has posted online its document titled 
> "Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries,"
> http://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Fair_Use_and_Video/.
> For an introduction to the document, please see Carrie's Russell's 
> blog post on ALA'S District Dispatch at 
> http://www.districtdispatch.org/2012/04/introducing-community-practice
> s-in-the-fair-use-of-video-in-libraries/
> .
> To those of you who contributed your time and effort to answer our 
> surveys, attend our focus groups, or comment on our drafts, we offer 
> you our sincere thanks.
> This project began as an attempt by the Video Roundtable to establish 
> a recommended body of practice in the fair use of video for 
> educational purposes. A team of six librarians, with advice and 
> guidance from ALA’s Office of Information Technology Policy, 
> coordinated the process of gathering input from the media librarian 
> community and then created a document describing our findings. We 
> decided to focus on documenting our community practices, i.e. how 
> librarians routinely and responsibly fulfill their mission to preserve and 
> provide access to our cultural record.
> The team conducted in-person interviews at national conferences and 
> hosted a series of focus groups at locations across the country: 
> Boston, Seattle, Evanston, Washington, D.C. and Richmond.  About 
> eighty library staff members with varying responsibilities for buying, 
> processing, and/or supporting the educational use of video were included in 
> our surveys.
> We welcome your comments and suggestions!   This is a living document and
> your comments may prompt revisions.   If you'd like to leave a comment,
> please use the Comments link on the right.  Please do let me know if 
> you have any problems accessing or using the site.
>  http://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Fair_Use_and_Video/
>
> Best regards,
>
> Judy Thomas, University of Virginia
>
> for the Fair Use and Video Working Group:
> Steve Brantley, University of Illinois at Chicago Nell Chenault, 
> Virginia Commonwealth University Carleton Jackson, University of 
> Maryland Carrie Russell, American Library Association, Office for 
> Information Technology Policy Claire Stewart, Northwestern University 
> Judith Thomas, University of Virginia Justin Wadland, University of 
> Washington-Tacoma
>
>
> Judith Thomas
> Director, Arts and Media Services
> University of Virginia Library
> 434.924.8814   / jtho...@virginia.edu<mailto:jtho...@virginia.edu>
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of 
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, 
> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current 
> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions

Re: [Videolib] Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries

[Randal Baier]

Hey, Gary, thanks for that explanation ... after your comments I read the 
document, which I found helpful in breaking down the issues, now your new 
comments add to the discussion. No worries ... Anyway, all this could be called 
internal commentary, it hasn't reached the NYT or Fox yet! 

screed  I've always liked that word. And to think, it's also a tool for 
smoothing over concrete or plaster. Go figure. 

Randal Baier 


- Original Message -

From: ghand...@library.berkeley.edu 
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu 
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 11:47:03 AM 
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in 
Libraries 

Hi all 

Well...as my screed yesterday demonstrates, it's never too late to be 
stupid. As my friend Judy Thomas reminded me (tactfully offline), I was, 
indeed, surveyed for this project. I owe an apology to Judy and her 
hard-working crew, as well as thanks for attempting to bring at least a 
bit of clarity to these knotty and often maddeningly obtuse issues. 

I think my lashing out stems from a general and continuing frustration 
with the fact that, in all too many cases, policy and practice and 
advocacy in the areas of video copyright and licensing, fair use, etc. are 
often being made in the library and academic worlds by individuals and 
groups who have very little knowledge of or stake in either the worlds of 
video production and distribution, or the on-going process of video 
collection development and management. The direct relationship between 
the economic health and viability of content producers/distributors and 
the building of useful and diverse collections is something about which 
those of us actually "doing media" know a great deal. Not so much the 
pundits at ARL... 

My rather snarky note yesterday was penned with an apparently ill-founded 
fear that the right people weren't being queried, and that these 
misinformed responses would form the basis of best practice... 

In any case...I hope Judy and her team will forgive my late-career lapse 
in judgment. 

Gary Handman 





> Dear Colleagues, 
> The Fair Use and Video Project has posted online its document titled 
> "Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries," 
> http://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Fair_Use_and_Video/. 
> For an introduction to the document, please see Carrie's Russell's blog 
> post on ALA'S District Dispatch at 
> http://www.districtdispatch.org/2012/04/introducing-community-practices-in-the-fair-use-of-video-in-libraries/
>  
> . 
> To those of you who contributed your time and effort to answer our 
> surveys, attend our focus groups, or comment on our drafts, we offer you 
> our sincere thanks. 
> This project began as an attempt by the Video Roundtable to establish a 
> recommended body of practice in the fair use of video for educational 
> purposes. A team of six librarians, with advice and guidance from ALA’s 
> Office of Information Technology Policy, coordinated the process of 
> gathering input from the media librarian community and then created a 
> document describing our findings. We decided to focus on documenting our 
> community practices, i.e. how librarians routinely and responsibly fulfill 
> their mission to preserve and provide access to our cultural record. 
> The team conducted in-person interviews at national conferences and hosted 
> a series of focus groups at locations across the country: Boston, Seattle, 
> Evanston, Washington, D.C. and Richmond. About eighty library staff 
> members with varying responsibilities for buying, processing, and/or 
> supporting the educational use of video were included in our surveys. 
> We welcome your comments and suggestions! This is a living document and 
> your comments may prompt revisions. If you'd like to leave a comment, 
> please use the Comments link on the right. Please do let me know if you 
> have any problems accessing or using the site. 
> http://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Fair_Use_and_Video/ 
> 
> Best regards, 
> 
> Judy Thomas, University of Virginia 
> 
> for the Fair Use and Video Working Group: 
> Steve Brantley, University of Illinois at Chicago 
> Nell Chenault, Virginia Commonwealth University 
> Carleton Jackson, University of Maryland 
> Carrie Russell, American Library Association, Office for Information 
> Technology Policy 
> Claire Stewart, Northwestern University 
> Judith Thomas, University of Virginia 
> Justin Wadland, University of Washington-Tacoma 
> 
> 
> Judith Thomas 
> Director, Arts and Media Services 
> University of Virginia Library 
> 434.924.8814 / jtho...@virginia.edu<mailto:jtho...@virginia.edu> 
> 
> 
> 
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of 
> issues relating to the selection, evalu

Re: [Videolib] Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries

[Griest, Bryan]

Hi all!

Does anyone know if any *public* librarians were contacted/consulted for this? 
Our concerns and usages are quite different, after all . . .

Bryan Griest

Glendale Public Library





From: ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 11:47:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in 
Libraries

Hi all

Well...as my screed yesterday demonstrates, it's never too late to be
stupid.  As my friend Judy Thomas reminded me (tactfully offline), I was,
indeed, surveyed for this project.  I owe an apology to Judy and her
hard-working crew, as well as thanks for attempting to bring at least a
bit of clarity to these knotty and often maddeningly obtuse issues.

I think my lashing out stems from a general and continuing frustration
with the fact that, in all too many cases, policy and practice and
advocacy in the areas of video copyright and licensing, fair use, etc. are
often being made in the library and academic worlds by individuals and
groups who have very little knowledge of or stake in either the worlds of
video production and distribution, or the on-going process of video
collection development and management.  The direct relationship between
the economic health and viability of content producers/distributors and
the building of useful and diverse collections is something about which
those of us actually "doing media" know a great deal.  Not so much the
pundits at ARL...

My rather snarky note yesterday was penned with an apparently ill-founded
fear that the right people weren't being queried, and that these
misinformed responses would form the basis of best practice...

In any case...I hope Judy and her team will forgive my late-career lapse
in judgment.

Gary Handman





> Dear Colleagues,
> The Fair Use and Video Project has posted online its document titled
> "Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries,"
> http://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Fair_Use_and_Video/.
> For an introduction to the document, please see Carrie's Russell's blog
> post on ALA'S District Dispatch at
> http://www.districtdispatch.org/2012/04/introducing-community-practices-in-the-fair-use-of-video-in-libraries/
> .
> To those of you who contributed your time and effort to answer our
> surveys, attend our focus groups, or comment on our drafts, we offer you
> our sincere thanks.
> This project began as an attempt by the Video Roundtable to establish a
> recommended body of practice in the fair use of video for educational
> purposes. A team of six librarians, with advice and guidance from ALA’s
> Office of Information Technology Policy, coordinated the process of
> gathering input from the media librarian community and then created a
> document describing our findings. We decided to focus on documenting our
> community practices, i.e. how librarians routinely and responsibly fulfill
> their mission to preserve and provide access to our cultural record.
> The team conducted in-person interviews at national conferences and hosted
> a series of focus groups at locations across the country: Boston, Seattle,
> Evanston, Washington, D.C. and Richmond.  About eighty library staff
> members with varying responsibilities for buying, processing, and/or
> supporting the educational use of video were included in our surveys.
> We welcome your comments and suggestions!   This is a living document and
> your comments may prompt revisions.   If you'd like to leave a comment,
> please use the Comments link on the right.  Please do let me know if you
> have any problems accessing or using the site.
>  http://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Fair_Use_and_Video/
>
> Best regards,
>
> Judy Thomas, University of Virginia
>
> for the Fair Use and Video Working Group:
> Steve Brantley, University of Illinois at Chicago
> Nell Chenault, Virginia Commonwealth University
> Carleton Jackson, University of Maryland
> Carrie Russell, American Library Association, Office for Information
> Technology Policy
> Claire Stewart, Northwestern University
> Judith Thomas, University of Virginia
> Justin Wadland, University of Washington-Tacoma
>
>
> Judith Thomas
> Director, Arts and Media Services
> University of Virginia Library
> 434.924.8814   / jtho...@virginia.edu<mailto:jtho...@virginia.edu 
> <mailto:jtho...@virginia.edu%3cmailto:jtho...@virginia.edu> >
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communi

Re: [Videolib] Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries

[S Urwiler]

I was wondering the same thing!

Sheila Urwiler
Director
Starke County Public Library System
Knox, IN
 






From: "Griest, Bryan" 
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Sent: Sat, May 5, 2012 11:40:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in 
Libraries


Hi all!
Does anyone know if any *public* librarians were contacted/consulted for this? 
Our concerns and usages are quite different, after all . . .
Bryan Griest
Glendale Public Library



From: ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 11:47:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in 
Libraries

Hi all

Well...as my screed yesterday demonstrates, it's never too late to be
stupid.  As my friend Judy Thomas reminded me (tactfully offline), I was,
indeed, surveyed for this project.  I owe an apology to Judy and her
hard-working crew, as well as thanks for attempting to bring at least a
bit of clarity to these knotty and often maddeningly obtuse issues.

I think my lashing out stems from a general and continuing frustration
with the fact that, in all too many cases, policy and practice and
advocacy in the areas of video copyright and licensing, fair use, etc. are
often being made in the library and academic worlds by individuals and
groups who have very little knowledge of or stake in either the worlds of
video production and distribution, or the on-going process of video
collection development and management.  The direct relationship between
the economic health and viability of content producers/distributors and
the building of useful and diverse collections is something about which
those of us actually "doing media" know a great deal.  Not so much the
pundits at ARL...

My rather snarky note yesterday was penned with an apparently ill-founded
fear that the right people weren't being queried, and that these
misinformed responses would form the basis of best practice...

In any case...I hope Judy and her team will forgive my late-career lapse
in judgment.

Gary Handman





> Dear Colleagues,
> The Fair Use and Video Project has posted online its document titled
> "Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries,"
> http://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Fair_Use_and_Video/.
> For an introduction to the document, please see Carrie's Russell's blog
> post on ALA'S District Dispatch at
>http://www.districtdispatch.org/2012/04/introducing-community-practices-in-the-fair-use-of-video-in-libraries/
>/
> .
> To those of you who contributed your time and effort to answer our
> surveys, attend our focus groups, or comment on our drafts, we offer you
> our sincere thanks.
> This project began as an attempt by the Video Roundtable to establish a
> recommended body of practice in the fair use of video for educational
> purposes. A team of six librarians, with advice and guidance from ALA’s
> Office of Information Technology Policy, coordinated the process of
> gathering input from the media librarian community and then created a
> document describing our findings. We decided to focus on documenting our
> community practices, i.e. how librarians routinely and responsibly fulfill
> their mission to preserve and provide access to our cultural record.
> The team conducted in-person interviews at national conferences and hosted
> a series of focus groups at locations across the country: Boston, Seattle,
> Evanston, Washington, D.C. and Richmond.  About eighty library staff
> members with varying responsibilities for buying, processing, and/or
> supporting the educational use of video were included in our surveys.
> We welcome your comments and suggestions!   This is a living document and
> your comments may prompt revisions.   If you'd like to leave a comment,
> please use the Comments link on the right.  Please do let me know if you
> have any problems accessing or using the site.
>  http://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Fair_Use_and_Video/
>
> Best regards,
>
> Judy Thomas, University of Virginia
>
> for the Fair Use and Video Working Group:
> Steve Brantley, University of Illinois at Chicago
> Nell Chenault, Virginia Commonwealth University
> Carleton Jackson, University of Maryland
> Carrie Russell, American Library Association, Office for Information
> Technology Policy
> Claire Stewart, Northwestern University
> Judith Thomas, University of Virginia
> Justin Wadland, University of Washington-Tacoma
>
>
> Judith Thomas
> Director, Arts and Media Services
> University of Virginia Library
> 434.924.8814   / jtho...@virginia.edu<mailto:jtho...@virginia.edu>
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliogr

Re: [Videolib] Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries

[nahum laufer]

   3. Re: Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in   Libraries
  
Hi All
I have a problem as a distributer of documentaries.
A DVD is just a piece of metal, a big TV station pays more then a small
cable TV, Libraries pay us $500 for a screening  for entrance paying
audiences, Only $250 for PPR for non paying audiences, $175 for University
library use, from this we all can deduct and agree on that what we are
selling is Screening rights not DVDs.
I'm not interested in selling "Home Video", so if somebody asks for a film I
ask for $50 + $6 (Shipping) so  as to deter the nudniks,   most don't care
to return, but if he is a grandchild of a passenger on the Darien he will
buy "The Darien Dilemma" .

This week I received a request from a University Professor for one of our
films to purchase as Home Video, I know he learnt about the film from a
forward from the University library my problem is should I sell it and then
he can use it in class in "face to face" screening or should I prefer to
send him a free preview hoping the University library will then purchase it,
or maybe as he received the preview legally he can still use it in a
classroom in "face to face " situation?
 
Nahum Laufer
http://docsforeducation.com/
http://onedayafterpeace.com/
Sales
Docs for Education
Erez Laufer Films
Holland st 10 
Afulla 18371
Israel




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Hi all!

Does anyone know if any *public* librarians were contacted/consulted for
this? Our concerns and usages are quite different, after all . . .

Bryan Griest

Glendale Public Library






VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries

[Thomas, Judith (jet3h)]

This project went on for so long, and had so many twists and turns, I'm not at 
all surprised that anyone would lose track of its progress.  

Gary, I have only gratitude for your constructive and insightful feedback in 
the survey and on our first draft.  

We did try to underscore the fact that media librarians in general are 
concerned about the economic health and viability of the content producers and 
that a fair number take a different, more generous attitude towards purchasing 
video content than other types of vended library resources.  

However, I do want to say that our project was really *about* media librarians, 
not *about* the media industry, the content producers, the plight of the 
independent labels.  It was more about articulating where we stand at this 
moment in the new century (is it still new?) vis-a-vis our mission to address 
the educational needs of students and faculty.  It was about providing access 
to cultural information with products and in ways that meet their educational 
aims.  It was, finally, about exploring what rights for collecting and using 
this material are afforded to us, as educators, by one section of US copyright 
law.  

How the market fits into this picture is a separate discussion, one that is 
explored at every NMM, on the listserv, in separate dealings between librarians 
and producers, and one that should unfold in light of a statement of our 
mission, aims and rights.  We were hoping to make a contribution to that 
particular part of the discussion.


Judy




On May 4, 2012, at 11:47 AM, 
 wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Well...as my screed yesterday demonstrates, it's never too late to be
> stupid.  As my friend Judy Thomas reminded me (tactfully offline), I was,
> indeed, surveyed for this project.  I owe an apology to Judy and her
> hard-working crew, as well as thanks for attempting to bring at least a
> bit of clarity to these knotty and often maddeningly obtuse issues.
> 
> I think my lashing out stems from a general and continuing frustration
> with the fact that, in all too many cases, policy and practice and
> advocacy in the areas of video copyright and licensing, fair use, etc. are
> often being made in the library and academic worlds by individuals and
> groups who have very little knowledge of or stake in either the worlds of
> video production and distribution, or the on-going process of video
> collection development and management.  The direct relationship between
> the economic health and viability of content producers/distributors and
> the building of useful and diverse collections is something about which
> those of us actually "doing media" know a great deal.  Not so much the
> pundits at ARL...
> 
> My rather snarky note yesterday was penned with an apparently ill-founded
> fear that the right people weren't being queried, and that these
> misinformed responses would form the basis of best practice...
> 
> In any case...I hope Judy and her team will forgive my late-career lapse
> in judgment.
> 
> Gary Handman
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Dear Colleagues,
>> The Fair Use and Video Project has posted online its document titled
>> "Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries,"
>> http://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Fair_Use_and_Video/.
>> For an introduction to the document, please see Carrie's Russell's blog
>> post on ALA'S District Dispatch at
>> http://www.districtdispatch.org/2012/04/introducing-community-practices-in-the-fair-use-of-video-in-libraries/
>> .
>> To those of you who contributed your time and effort to answer our
>> surveys, attend our focus groups, or comment on our drafts, we offer you
>> our sincere thanks.
>> This project began as an attempt by the Video Roundtable to establish a
>> recommended body of practice in the fair use of video for educational
>> purposes. A team of six librarians, with advice and guidance from ALA’s
>> Office of Information Technology Policy, coordinated the process of
>> gathering input from the media librarian community and then created a
>> document describing our findings. We decided to focus on documenting our
>> community practices, i.e. how librarians routinely and responsibly fulfill
>> their mission to preserve and provide access to our cultural record.
>> The team conducted in-person interviews at national conferences and hosted
>> a series of focus groups at locations across the country: Boston, Seattle,
>> Evanston, Washington, D.C. and Richmond.  About eighty library staff
>> members with varying responsibilities for buying, processing, and/or
>> supporting the educational use of video were included in our surveys.
>> We welcome your comments and suggestions!   This is a living document and
>> your comments may prompt revisions.   If you'd like to leave a comment,
>> please use the Comments link on the right.  Please do let me know if you
>> have any problems accessing or using the site.
>> http://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Fair_Use_and_Video/
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Judy Thoma

Re: [Videolib] Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries

[Thomas, Judith (jet3h)]

Unfortunately a consideration of the particular needs of the public libraries 
was out of scope for this project.  I'm awfully sorry about that, because we 
all recognized how important the public libraries are to this picture.  And I 
know that ALA's Office of Information Technology Policy is intensely interested 
in this community.

I see that we should change the introduction to the document to reflect the 
fact that we primarily surveyed the higher ed community.  We also had some 
welcome participation from K-12 librarians.

Thanks for the feedback!

Judy


On May 5, 2012, at 1:06 PM, S Urwiler wrote:

I was wondering the same thing!

Sheila Urwiler
Director
Starke County Public Library System
Knox, IN





From: "Griest, Bryan" 
mailto:bgri...@ci.glendale.ca.us>>
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>
Sent: Sat, May 5, 2012 11:40:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in 
Libraries

Hi all!
Does anyone know if any *public* librarians were contacted/consulted for this? 
Our concerns and usages are quite different, after all . . .
Bryan Griest
Glendale Public Library


From: ghand...@library.berkeley.edu<mailto:ghand...@library.berkeley.edu>
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 11:47:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in 
Libraries

Hi all

Well...as my screed yesterday demonstrates, it's never too late to be
stupid.  As my friend Judy Thomas reminded me (tactfully offline), I was,
indeed, surveyed for this project.  I owe an apology to Judy and her
hard-working crew, as well as thanks for attempting to bring at least a
bit of clarity to these knotty and often maddeningly obtuse issues.

I think my lashing out stems from a general and continuing frustration
with the fact that, in all too many cases, policy and practice and
advocacy in the areas of video copyright and licensing, fair use, etc. are
often being made in the library and academic worlds by individuals and
groups who have very little knowledge of or stake in either the worlds of
video production and distribution, or the on-going process of video
collection development and management.  The direct relationship between
the economic health and viability of content producers/distributors and
the building of useful and diverse collections is something about which
those of us actually "doing media" know a great deal.  Not so much the
pundits at ARL...

My rather snarky note yesterday was penned with an apparently ill-founded
fear that the right people weren't being queried, and that these
misinformed responses would form the basis of best practice...

In any case...I hope Judy and her team will forgive my late-career lapse
in judgment.

Gary Handman





> Dear Colleagues,
> The Fair Use and Video Project has posted online its document titled
> "Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries,"
> http://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Fair_Use_and_Video/.
> For an introduction to the document, please see Carrie's Russell's blog
> post on ALA'S District Dispatch at
> http://www.districtdispatch.org/2012/04/introducing-community-practices-in-the-fair-use-of-video-in-libraries/
> .
> To those of you who contributed your time and effort to answer our
> surveys, attend our focus groups, or comment on our drafts, we offer you
> our sincere thanks.
> This project began as an attempt by the Video Roundtable to establish a
> recommended body of practice in the fair use of video for educational
> purposes. A team of six librarians, with advice and guidance from ALA’s
> Office of Information Technology Policy, coordinated the process of
> gathering input from the media librarian community and then created a
> document describing our findings. We decided to focus on documenting our
> community practices, i.e. how librarians routinely and responsibly fulfill
> their mission to preserve and provide access to our cultural record.
> The team conducted in-person interviews at national conferences and hosted
> a series of focus groups at locations across the country: Boston, Seattle,
> Evanston, Washington, D.C. and Richmond.  About eighty library staff
> members with varying responsibilities for buying, processing, and/or
> supporting the educational use of video were included in our surveys.
> We welcome your comments and suggestions!   This is a living document and
> your comments may prompt revisions.   If you'd like to leave a comment,
> please use the Comments link on the right.  Please do let me know if you
> have any problems accessing or using the site.
>  http://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Fair_Use_and_Video/
>
> Best regards,
>
> Judy Thomas, University of Virginia
>
&

Re: [Videolib] Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries

[nahum laufer]

I didn't see this posted on Videolib
My problem is a practical one not theoretic legal query on fair use

-Original Message-
From: nahum laufer [mailto:lauf...@netvision.net.il] 
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 10:24 PM
To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu'
Cc: 'bgri...@ci.glendale.ca.us'
Subject: RE:Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries 

   3. Re: Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in   Libraries
  
Hi All
I have a problem as a distributer of documentaries.
A DVD is just a piece of metal, a big TV station pays more then a small
cable TV, Libraries pay us $500 for a screening  for entrance paying
audiences, Only $250 for PPR for non paying audiences, $175 for University
library use, from this we all can deduct and agree on that what we are
selling is Screening rights not DVDs.
I'm not interested in selling "Home Video", so if somebody asks for a film I
ask for $50 + $6 (Shipping) so  as to deter the nudniks,   most don't care
to return, but if he is a grandchild of a passenger on the Darien he will
buy "The Darien Dilemma" .

This week I received a request from a University Professor for one of our
films to purchase as Home Video, I know he learnt about the film from a
forward from the University library my problem is should I sell it and then
he can use it in class in "face to face" screening or should I prefer to
send him a free preview hoping the University library will then purchase it,
or maybe as he received the preview legally he can still use it in a
classroom in "face to face " situation?
 
Nahum Laufer
http://docsforeducation.com/
http://onedayafterpeace.com/
Sales
Docs for Education
Erez Laufer Films
Holland st 10 
Afulla 18371
Israel




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Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 09:39:05 -0700
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Hi all!

Does anyone know if any *public* librarians were contacted/consulted for
this? Our concerns and usages are quite different, after all . . .

Bryan Griest

Glendale Public Library






VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries

[Jessica Rosner]

Nahum,
If you choose to sell home use copies it is pretty much impossible to
prevent it from being used in a class. The only way around this is
have everyone who purchases a copy agree in writing that the film IS for
their own personal use and can not be used in a class, resold etc. This
becomes a contract and overrides copyright law, but likely a bitch to
enforce. As for screeners the best thing is to have "real" screeners that
in fact say "SCREENER " right on the screen in such a way as to make them
not very desirable for any exhibition, but again if you choose to send one
to a professor in particular it is best to protect yourself by having them
sign ( I think and email  would be legally sufficient) saying that it is
for preview use only, will NOT be used in a class and will be promptly
returned.

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:23 PM, nahum laufer wrote:

> I didn't see this posted on Videolib
> My problem is a practical one not theoretic legal query on fair use
>
> -Original Message-
> From: nahum laufer [mailto:lauf...@netvision.net.il]
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 10:24 PM
> To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu'
> Cc: 'bgri...@ci.glendale.ca.us'
> Subject: RE:Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in Libraries
>
>   3. Re: Community Practices in the Fair Use of Video in   Libraries
>
> Hi All
> I have a problem as a distributer of documentaries.
> A DVD is just a piece of metal, a big TV station pays more then a small
> cable TV, Libraries pay us $500 for a screening  for entrance paying
> audiences, Only $250 for PPR for non paying audiences, $175 for University
> library use, from this we all can deduct and agree on that what we are
> selling is Screening rights not DVDs.
> I'm not interested in selling "Home Video", so if somebody asks for a film
> I
> ask for $50 + $6 (Shipping) so  as to deter the nudniks,   most don't care
> to return, but if he is a grandchild of a passenger on the Darien he will
> buy "The Darien Dilemma" .
>
> This week I received a request from a University Professor for one of our
> films to purchase as Home Video, I know he learnt about the film from a
> forward from the University library my problem is should I sell it and then
> he can use it in class in "face to face" screening or should I prefer to
> send him a free preview hoping the University library will then purchase
> it,
> or maybe as he received the preview legally he can still use it in a
> classroom in "face to face " situation?
>
> Nahum Laufer
> http://docsforeducation.com/
> http://onedayafterpeace.com/
> Sales
> Docs for Education
> Erez Laufer Films
> Holland st 10
> Afulla 18371
> Israel
>
>
>
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 09:39:05 -0700
> From: "cc Practices in the Fair Use of Video
>in  Libraries
> To: 
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi all!
>
> Does anyone know if any *public* librarians were contacted/consulted for
> this? Our concerns and usages are quite different, after all . . .
>
> Bryan Griest
>
> Glendale Public Library
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.