Re: [Videolib] L'inhumaine, one more time
Just for the records: An Italian version (130 min., Italian intertitles) has been published on VHS/PAL in 1993 by Prima Immagine distributed by Mondadori Video in their series Il Grande Cinema. I don't know if they have used the restored version of 1986 with the music of Jean-Christophe Desnoux. We have bought it in those days in Milano. It is no more available anywhere. I hope for a Blu-ray of the restored version. There is an English subtitle file on the web (please see: L'Inhumaine English Titles.srt (14944bytes) show preview) http://www.opensubtitles.org/en/subtitles/3410335/inhumaine-l-en Best Peter http://www.zlb.de/wissensgebiete/kunst_buehne_medien/videos http://dvdbiblog.wordpress.com/ Shoaf,Judith P schrieb: I just wanted to update anyone who actually cares about this film in its various incarnations. The copy the French prof here owns is a SECAM VHS, purchased she says in the mid-1980s, and indubitably a legal copy. It was issued in a series called ‘Les films de ma vie” curated by Claude Berri and Jean-Francois Davy. It is based on the 1986 restoration and includes a sound track. Issued by Ciné Vidéo Film with co-distribution by Gaumont Columbia Tristar Home Video; I gather both of these companies are gone. Copyright is attributed to Films sans frontières, and on their website the film appears http://www.films-sans-frontieres.fr/fiche-film/film-inhumaine-l--69.html though with no evidence that a version is available for sale. But they may be the ones preparing a DVD release. Re. the audio; The cover says this is “original music written and directed by Jean-Christophe Desnoux.” Perhaps for copyright reasons a new score was commissioned? I didn’t listen to the audio much but it did strike me as quite different from the music presented in the online clip (35 min. long), which I assume is the Milhaud. I haven’t gone into that yet (looking at the credits, comparing with the online movie clip). So the film WAS released in France, but possibly never elsewhere, since nobody seems to have heard of a version with English title translations. No idea if there’s any way to pin down whether or not the image was copyrighted in such a way as to be valid now. I just watched the whole thing and it’s pretty cool. I also did a rough translation of the titles, so if anyone does have a copy and needs that, let me know. In particular, the video available online is illegible in places but the VHS was quite clear. Judy Shoaf VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] L'inhumaine, one more time
Thanks so much for this information, Peter! Of course I just spent some time translating the titles for myself but I would be interested to compare. Judy From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] on behalf of Delin, Peter [de...@zlb.de] Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 8:54 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] L'inhumaine, one more time Just for the records: An Italian version (130 min., Italian intertitles) has been published on VHS/PAL in 1993 by Prima Immagine distributed by Mondadori Video in their series Il Grande Cinema. I don't know if they have used the restored version of 1986 with the music of Jean-Christophe Desnoux. We have bought it in those days in Milano. It is no more available anywhere. I hope for a Blu-ray of the restored version. There is an English subtitle file on the web (please see: L'Inhumaine English Titles.srt (14944bytes) show preview) http://www.opensubtitles.org/en/subtitles/3410335/inhumaine-l-en Best Peter http://www.zlb.de/wissensgebiete/kunst_buehne_medien/videos http://dvdbiblog.wordpress.com/ Shoaf,Judith P schrieb: I just wanted to update anyone who actually cares about this film in its various incarnations. The copy the French prof here owns is a SECAM VHS, purchased she says in the mid-1980s, and indubitably a legal copy. It was issued in a series called ‘Les films de ma vie” curated by Claude Berri and Jean-Francois Davy. It is based on the 1986 restoration and includes a sound track. Issued by Ciné Vidéo Film with co-distribution by Gaumont Columbia Tristar Home Video; I gather both of these companies are gone. Copyright is attributed to Films sans frontières, and on their website the film appears http://www.films-sans-frontieres.fr/fiche-film/film-inhumaine-l--69.html though with no evidence that a version is available for sale. But they may be the ones preparing a DVD release. Re. the audio; The cover says this is “original music written and directed by Jean-Christophe Desnoux.” Perhaps for copyright reasons a new score was commissioned? I didn’t listen to the audio much but it did strike me as quite different from the music presented in the online clip (35 min. long), which I assume is the Milhaud. I haven’t gone into that yet (looking at the credits, comparing with the online movie clip). So the film WAS released in France, but possibly never elsewhere, since nobody seems to have heard of a version with English title translations. No idea if there’s any way to pin down whether or not the image was copyrighted in such a way as to be valid now. I just watched the whole thing and it’s pretty cool. I also did a rough translation of the titles, so if anyone does have a copy and needs that, let me know. In particular, the video available online is illegible in places but the VHS was quite clear. Judy Shoaf VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] L'inhumaine, one more time
I just wanted to update anyone who actually cares about this film in its various incarnations. The copy the French prof here owns is a SECAM VHS, purchased she says in the mid-1980s, and indubitably a legal copy. It was issued in a series called 'Les films de ma vie curated by Claude Berri and Jean-Francois Davy. It is based on the 1986 restoration and includes a sound track. Issued by Ciné Vidéo Film with co-distribution by Gaumont Columbia Tristar Home Video; I gather both of these companies are gone. Copyright is attributed to Films sans frontières, and on their website the film appears http://www.films-sans-frontieres.fr/fiche-film/film-inhumaine-l--69.html though with no evidence that a version is available for sale. But they may be the ones preparing a DVD release. Re. the audio; The cover says this is original music written and directed by Jean-Christophe Desnoux. Perhaps for copyright reasons a new score was commissioned? I didn't listen to the audio much but it did strike me as quite different from the music presented in the online clip (35 min. long), which I assume is the Milhaud. I haven't gone into that yet (looking at the credits, comparing with the online movie clip). So the film WAS released in France, but possibly never elsewhere, since nobody seems to have heard of a version with English title translations. No idea if there's any way to pin down whether or not the image was copyrighted in such a way as to be valid now. I just watched the whole thing and it's pretty cool. I also did a rough translation of the titles, so if anyone does have a copy and needs that, let me know. In particular, the video available online is illegible in places but the VHS was quite clear. Judy Shoaf VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] L'inhumaine, one more time
Also not sure which companies don't exist. I don't know Cine Video but Gaumont Columbia / TriStar both still exist. You have a couple of problems in terms of making a DVD even if the copy is legal. It is not the libraries copy, it is not a copy you could actually legally have acquired in the US though there is certainly a thriving market in imports, it is hard to imagine they would considered legit for the purposes of making a copy in another format. A music score recorded in the 80s would be under copyright ( though in theory if you don't really need it you can just turn it off). I suspect the French Film Office could help you clarify who the rights holder is. Frankly it is mess. Can't see how you can legally obtain it, though it kind of sucks. At the risk of offending Oksana I just would not got to some much trouble on this one. Good Luck On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Shoaf,Judith P jsh...@ufl.edu wrote: I just wanted to update anyone who actually cares about this film in its various incarnations. The copy the French prof here owns is a SECAM VHS, purchased she says in the mid-1980s, and indubitably a legal copy. It was issued in a series called ‘Les films de ma vie” curated by Claude Berri and Jean-Francois Davy. It is based on the 1986 restoration and includes a sound track. Issued by Ciné Vidéo Film with co-distribution by Gaumont Columbia Tristar Home Video; I gather both of these companies are gone. Copyright is attributed to Films sans frontières, and on their website the film appears http://www.films-sans-frontieres.fr/fiche-film/film-inhumaine-l--69.html** ** though with no evidence that a version is available for sale. But they may be the ones preparing a DVD release. ** ** Re. the audio; The cover says this is “original music written and directed by Jean-Christophe Desnoux.” Perhaps for copyright reasons a new score was commissioned? I didn’t listen to the audio much but it did strike me as quite different from the music presented in the online clip (35 min. long), which I assume is the Milhaud. I haven’t gone into that yet (looking at the credits, comparing with the online movie clip). ** ** So the film WAS released in France, but possibly never elsewhere, since nobody seems to have heard of a version with English title translations. No idea if there’s any way to pin down whether or not the image was copyrighted in such a way as to be valid now. ** ** I just watched the whole thing and it’s pretty cool. I also did a rough translation of the titles, so if anyone does have a copy and needs that, let me know. In particular, the video available online is illegible in places but the VHS was quite clear. ** ** Judy Shoaf VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine
I have thought about the ins and outs of treating the item as public domain though I didn't think of section 108 because I'm just a language lab, not a library. The first 1/2 hour is in fact available online; last night I watched about 15 minutes of it and found that viewing it in a small window helps with the torn and dirty pages quality Jessica mentions; also, it has a terrific performance of the score (by Milhaud) which I presume dates from a postwar recording/performance (i.e. not PD) and really helps to juice up the strange rhythms of the film. I am not sure I could make a better digital copy from the tape, and NTSC VHS from SECAM VHS is not likely to be much good either. Apparently there was an NTSC copy in the media library, and I think that probably means it was released in the US at some point. Apparently a prof who has left UF took it with her and it is now on its way back. I will look to see whether it's a US release with English subs. The professor's 80's SECAM copy is probably the best option--I assume it is based on the restoration/orchestral performance used to make the online video, but it would be better visual quality. I think that the professor is likely to agree with Jessica about the film being boring--she told me she has never watched the whole thing but wanted to use it for the class because of the subject matter (Paris fashion in the movies). My impression is that the reason the online project only presents the first half hour (about 1/5 of the whole film, I gather) is that this is the bit that has the moderne costumes, sets, and special effects which make the film important. (The other interesting thing is the sci-fi/horror themes!) Jessica, you mentioned a recent restoration, but nobody has said anything about a DVD release. Does anyone know if it has been picked up for release? Has anyone seen the restoration--it would be interesting to know how well it reads in terms of the visuals...? Judy VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine
Jessica: There appears to be cataloging for two versions of the movie released in the U.S. in OCLC. One has [S.l.] : Foreign Film Classics [?, 199-?, 1924] for publication/distribution information. The other has [Alamogordo, N.M.] : Silent Screen Movie Classics [199-] It alss has a note saying that Foreign Film Classics is on container. So, both are probably from the same company. There is a note in both records Restauration: C.N.C. Archives du Film. 78390 Bois d'Arcy--Film frame. They are color tinted and have a running time of 128 min. Eileen Karsten Head of Technical Services Donnelley and Lee Library Lake Forest College 555 N. Sheridan Road Lake Forest, IL 60045 kars...@lakeforest.edu _ VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.comwrote: Another side note, even if the VHS was produced prior to GATT (1998) taking effect, the score would almost surely be under copyright. You would be surprised how many pirates of films that might be PD then use copyrighted scores. Many years ago Kino was a decent settlement with a company that literally ripped of the Kino version of STEAMBOAT BILL JR which is indeed a PD title. Perhaps the funniest one was a major chain that bought a ripped off version of QUEEN KELLY. The even left the KINO LOGO on the DVD (while putting in a crappy box). On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Shoaf,Judith P jsh...@ufl.edu wrote: I have thought about the ins and outs of treating the item as public domain though I didn't think of section 108 because I'm just a language lab, not a library. The first 1/2 hour is in fact available online; last night I watched about 15 minutes of it and found that viewing it in a small window helps with the torn and dirty pages quality Jessica mentions; also, it has a terrific performance of the score (by Milhaud) which I presume dates from a postwar recording/performance (i.e. not PD) and really helps to juice up the strange rhythms of the film. I am not sure I could make a better digital copy from the tape, and NTSC VHS from SECAM VHS is not likely to be much good either. Apparently there was an NTSC copy in the media library, and I think that probably means it was released in the US at some point. Apparently a prof who has left UF took it with her and it is now on its way back. I will look to see whether it's a US release with English subs. The professor's 80's SECAM copy is probably the best option--I assume it is based on the restoration/orchestral performance used to make the online video, but it would be better visual quality. I think that the professor is likely to agree with Jessica about the film being boring--she told me she has never watched the whole thing but wanted to use it for the class because of the subject matter (Paris fashion in the movies). My impression is that the reason the online project only presents the first half hour (about 1/5 of the whole film, I gather) is that this is the bit that has the moderne costumes, sets, and special effects which make the film important. (The other interesting thing is the sci-fi/horror themes!) Jessica, you mentioned a recent restoration, but nobody has said anything about a DVD release. Does anyone know if it has been picked up for release? Has anyone seen the restoration--it would be interesting to know how well it reads in terms of the visuals...? Judy VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine
The Bois D'arcy archival restoration dates from 1986. The VHS has excellent visuals and sound (for a VHS). The NTSC copy I have came from a PD distributor. The film is indeed very long but then again how often do we get a chance to see an ensemble production such as this: Paul Poiret did the costume design, Robert Mallet-Stevens did the architectural design, PIerre Chareau was responsible for some of the furniture, Rene Lalique for some of the objects, Fernand Leger designed the sets for the laboratory sequences. Claude Autant-Lara and Alberto Cavalcanti also contributed various design elements. It's a veritable who's who of design in the gestating pre-art deco period right before the 1925 Paris exposition. The film is rather significant historically for this purpose rather than for its narrative. The credits on the restoration indicate that Darius Milhaud did the score for the film in 1925 but that it was subsequently lost and the Bois D'Arcy restoration credits its original musical score to Jean Christophe Desnoux. The producer of the 1986 restoration is La Boite a images, and director Jean Dreville was responsible for the tinting and toning in the restoration. I love this movie: it has a dining room where the eating area is on a kind of moat surrounded by a pool and Jaque Catelain tools around in a beautiful Bugatti. Art Deco heaven to be sure. Oksana At 08:45 AM 23/08/2011, you wrote: Another side note, even if the VHS was produced prior to GATT (1998) taking effect, the score would almost surely be under copyright. You would be surprised how many pirates of films that might be PD then use copyrighted scores. Many years ago Kino was a decent settlement with a company that literally ripped of the Kino version of STEAMBOAT BILL JR which is indeed a PD title. Perhaps the funniest one was a major chain that bought a ripped off version of QUEEN KELLY. The even left the KINO LOGO on the DVD (while putting in a crappy box). On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Shoaf,Judith P mailto:jsh...@ufl.edujsh...@ufl.edu wrote: I have thought about the ins and outs of treating the item as public domain though I didn't think of section 108 because I'm just a language lab, not a library. The first 1/2 hour is in fact available online; last night I watched about 15 minutes of it and found that viewing it in a small window helps with the torn and dirty pages quality Jessica mentions; also, it has a terrific performance of the score (by Milhaud) which I presume dates from a postwar recording/performance (i.e. not PD) and really helps to juice up the strange rhythms of the film. I am not sure I could make a better digital copy from the tape, and NTSC VHS from SECAM VHS is not likely to be much good either. Apparently there was an NTSC copy in the media library, and I think that probably means it was released in the US at some point. Apparently a prof who has left UF took it with her and it is now on its way back. I will look to see whether it's a US release with English subs. The professor's 80's SECAM copy is probably the best option--I assume it is based on the restoration/orchestral performance used to make the online video, but it would be better visual quality. I think that the professor is likely to agree with Jessica about the film being boring--she told me she has never watched the whole thing but wanted to use it for the class because of the subject matter (Paris fashion in the movies). My impression is that the reason the online project only presents the first half hour (about 1/5 of the whole film, I gather) is that this is the bit that has the moderne costumes, sets, and special effects which make the film important. (The other interesting thing is the sci-fi/horror themes!) Jessica, you mentioned a recent restoration, but nobody has said anything about a DVD release. Does anyone know if it has been picked up for release? Has anyone seen the restoration--it would be interesting to know how well it reads in terms of the visuals...? Judy VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.comjessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine
One suggestion I may have is to find another French film from the 1920s that fits the bill. One would be Herbier's L'Argent that's available from Masters of Cinema in England. I don't remember the fashions at all, but it stars Brigitte Helm and I am very positive they must have dressed her in the latest fashions. You don't bring in a big star and dress her in rags. And the review photos suggest this: http://www.eyeforfilm.co.uk/dvd_reviews.php?film_id=15519 -- Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com http://www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! Follow Milestone on Twitter! http://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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I bought the tape for my personal research from a guy near the Kino booth at Cinefest, in 1996, I think. O. At 10:36 AM 23/08/2011, you wrote: I thought French films were never PD in Canada or I suppose you just mean you got it from a company releasing PD films in the US? FYI if the VHS came from 86 restoration with a new score ( or even an old one) I don't think it could ever have been PD as opposed to a bootleg of the restoration. Any idea why it is not released even in France? I know you love it and maybe I should give it another try if it plays in NYC ( which it did again recently), but the one time I tried to watch I was so bored I left, which is rare for me. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Oksana Dykyj mailto:oks...@alcor.concordia.caoks...@alcor.concordia.ca wrote: The Bois D'arcy archival restoration dates from 1986. The VHS has excellent visuals and sound (for a VHS). The NTSC copy I have came from a PD distributor. The film is indeed very long but then again how often do we get a chance to see an ensemble production such as this: Paul Poiret did the costume design, Robert Mallet-Stevens did the architectural design, PIerre Chareau was responsible for some of the furniture, Rene Lalique for some of the objects, Fernand Leger designed the sets for the laboratory sequences. Claude Autant-Lara and Alberto Cavalcanti also contributed various design elements. It's a veritable who's who of design in the gestating pre-art deco period right before the 1925 Paris exposition. The film is rather significant historically for this purpose rather than for its narrative. The credits on the restoration indicate that Darius Milhaud did the score for the film in 1925 but that it was subsequently lost and the Bois D'Arcy restoration credits its original musical score to Jean Christophe Desnoux. The producer of the 1986 restoration is La Boite a images, and director Jean Dreville was responsible for the tinting and toning in the restoration. I love this movie: it has a dining room where the eating area is on a kind of moat surrounded by a pool and Jaque Catelain tools around in a beautiful Bugatti. Art Deco heaven to be sure. Oksana At 08:45 AM 23/08/2011, you wrote: Another side note, even if the VHS was produced prior to GATT (1998) taking effect, the score would almost surely be under copyright. You would be surprised how many pirates of films that might be PD then use copyrighted scores. Many years ago Kino was a decent settlement with a company that literally ripped of the Kino version of STEAMBOAT BILL JR which is indeed a PD title. Perhaps the funniest one was a major chain that bought a ripped off version of QUEEN KELLY. The even left the KINO LOGO on the DVD (while putting in a crappy box). On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Shoaf,Judith P mailto:jsh...@ufl.edujsh...@ufl.edu wrote: I have thought about the ins and outs of treating the item as public domain though I didn't think of section 108 because I'm just a language lab, not a library. The first 1/2 hour is in fact available online; last night I watched about 15 minutes of it and found that viewing it in a small window helps with the torn and dirty pages quality Jessica mentions; also, it has a terrific performance of the score (by Milhaud) which I presume dates from a postwar recording/performance (i.e. not PD) and really helps to juice up the strange rhythms of the film. I am not sure I could make a better digital copy from the tape, and NTSC VHS from SECAM VHS is not likely to be much good either. Apparently there was an NTSC copy in the media library, and I think that probably means it was released in the US at some point. Apparently a prof who has left UF took it with her and it is now on its way back. I will look to see whether it's a US release with English subs. The professor's 80's SECAM copy is probably the best option--I assume it is based on the restoration/orchestral performance used to make the online video, but it would be better visual quality. I think that the professor is likely to agree with Jessica about the film being boring--she told me she has never watched the whole thing but wanted to use it for the class because of the subject matter (Paris fashion in the movies). My impression is that the reason the online project only presents the first half hour (about 1/5 of the whole film, I gather) is that this is the bit that has the moderne costumes, sets, and special effects which make the film important. (The other interesting thing is the sci-fi/horror themes!) Jessica, you mentioned a recent restoration, but nobody has said anything about a DVD release. Does anyone know if it has been picked up for release? Has anyone seen the restoration--it would be interesting to know how well it reads in terms of the visuals...? Judy VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
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The designer on l'Argent is not an internationally known name even though her dresses are indeed beautiful. What about Prix de Beauté (1930) where the clothing is designed by both Chanel and Patou? Oksana At 10:27 AM 23/08/2011, you wrote: One suggestion I may have is to find another French film from the 1920s that fits the bill. One would be Herbier's L'Argent that's available from Masters of Cinema in England. I don't remember the fashions at all, but it stars Brigitte Helm and I am very positive they must have dressed her in the latest fashions. You don't bring in a big star and dress her in rags. And the review photos suggest this: http://www.eyeforfilm.co.uk/dvd_reviews.php?film_id=15519http://www.eyeforfilm.co.uk/dvd_reviews.php?film_id=15519 -- Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: mailto:milefi...@gmail.commilefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com http://www.ontheboweryfilm.comwww.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com http://www.exilesfilm.comwww.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com http://www.killerofsheep.comwww.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: http://www.amianet.orgwww.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! http://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilmsFollow Milestone on Twitter! VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine
Thanks for the suggestions. I think she already thought about what to substitute (a problem because it's the first week of class) but some students were still interested in viewing L'Inhumaine, which they can do on their own using the instructor's copy. Prix de Beauté sounds perfect-that may be what she picked. I am learning a lot by helping out on this one. Judy From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Oksana Dykyj Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:12 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine The designer on l'Argent is not an internationally known name even though her dresses are indeed beautiful. What about Prix de Beauté (1930) where the clothing is designed by both Chanel and Patou? Oksana At 10:27 AM 23/08/2011, you wrote: One suggestion I may have is to find another French film from the 1920s that fits the bill. One would be Herbier's L'Argent that's available from Masters of Cinema in England. I don't remember the fashions at all, but it stars Brigitte Helm and I am very positive they must have dressed her in the latest fashions. You don't bring in a big star and dress her in rags. And the review photos suggest this: http://www.eyeforfilm.co.uk/dvd_reviews.php?film_id=15519 -- Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.commailto:milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.comhttp://www.milestonefilms.com/ www.ontheboweryfilm.comhttp://www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.comhttp://www.arayafilm.com/ www.exilesfilm.comhttp://www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.comhttp://www.wordisoutmovie.com/ www.killerofsheep.comhttp://www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.orghttp://www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! Follow Milestone on Twitter!http://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] L'Inhumaine
A professor here wanted to show this 1924 film to her class but found that the library VHS copy had gone missing. She has a copy herself, but it's French (Secam, presumably) with French title cards, so only the French majors can enjoy it and then only in the lab, where we have a secam player. Facets has dvd/vhs copies to rent, apparently, and they announce a DVD for sale soon. Does anyone know anything about a DVD release, or a source for a version with English titles? Judy Shoaf VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine
Sounds like a job for Section 108 (borrow a VHS copy, make a VHS copy to check out and/or a digital copy to use in-library). mb On Aug 22, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Shoaf,Judith P wrote: A professor here wanted to show this 1924 film to her class but found that the library VHS copy had gone missing. She has a copy herself, but it's French (Secam, presumably) with French title cards, so only the French majors can enjoy it and then only in the lab, where we have a secam player. Facets has dvd/vhs copies to rent, apparently, and they announce a DVD for sale soon. Does anyone know anything about a DVD release, or a source for a version with English titles? Judy Shoaf VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine
Hi Judith, You can always ILL a copy and make a VHS of it. Or I believe you could also make a DVD for use in the library. We have a VHS copy if you'd like to follow up on either of those options. Feel free to contact me off-list. Cheers, Matt __ Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia mattb...@virginia.edu 434-924-3812 On Aug 22, 2011, at 8:50 PM, Shoaf,Judith P jsh...@ufl.edu wrote: A professor here wanted to show this 1924 film to her class but found that the library VHS copy had gone missing. She has a copy herself, but it's French (Secam, presumably) with French title cards, so only the French majors can enjoy it and then only in the lab, where we have a secam player. Facets has dvd/vhs copies to rent, apparently, and they announce a DVD for sale soon. Does anyone know anything about a DVD release, or a source for a version with English titles? Judy Shoaf VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine
Well technically here the hitch would be that to the best of my knowledge there never was a legal release of the film even in VHS in the US so I am pretty sure you would be copying a bootleg copy even if you don't realize it. Can someone tell me what OCLC says on in terms of original distributor. This may be dancing on the head of a pin in that the DVD could have been released prior to GATT so the copy could presumably be kept but as it is now illegal I doubt you could legally copy it. Fun stuff. As a more practical matter I would bet this VHS is very poor quality and possibly not complete as there has been a recent restoration. I have no idea why an academic would want to show a poor quality copy. It would be like handing out a novel with torn pages and crossed out words. I should add I find this movie REALLY BORING and left after 30 minutes at a screening at MOMA but I know Oskana loves it. On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Brewer, Michael brew...@u.library.arizona.edu wrote: Sounds like a job for Section 108 (borrow a VHS copy, make a VHS copy to check out and/or a digital copy to use in-library). mb On Aug 22, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Shoaf,Judith P wrote: A professor here wanted to show this 1924 film to her class but found that the library VHS copy had gone missing. She has a copy herself, but it's French (Secam, presumably) with French title cards, so only the French majors can enjoy it and then only in the lab, where we have a secam player. Facets has dvd/vhs copies to rent, apparently, and they announce a DVD for sale soon. Does anyone know anything about a DVD release, or a source for a version with English titles? Judy Shoaf VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
