Re: [Videolib] Public Domain for sale??? [FMG Response]
The video content referenced by Gary is not, in fact, available for purchase from Films Media Group. This, along with hundreds of other archival films, newsreels, etc. are migrating into our streaming video service, Films On Demand, for access by our subscribers. Their inclusion is intended to enhance the value of our streaming collections, but as a free supplementary resource for subscribers. Its appearance on our films.com site is the result of a quirk in our item setup procedures which require the creation of a product for each piece of content, no matter how small, with associated descriptive copy and so forth. Our e-com site doesn't know the difference and pulls it into the catalog. After it finds its way into the streaming collections, we take it down. Sometimes that takes longer than it should. So, our apologies on that score. That said, we don't agree that it is necessarily evil to charge for PD content. There is a real cost associated with encoding, storing, and delivering digital content no matter the source. We also believe we add value to otherwise free content by making it accessible online for use across campus 24/7. Indeed, our experience so far is that this material is among the most widely used content in our collections. Which tends to support our presumption here that when you have hundreds of faculty and thousands of students at a college, you simply cannot predict what they're going to find useful in the aggregate. ___ Doug Humphrey Vice President, Sales Films Media Group -Original Message- From: ghand...@library.berkeley.edu [mailto:ghand...@library.berkeley.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:08 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] Public Domain for sale??? Hi all Just came across something sort of odd. I notice that Films Media is selling streaming licenses for a number of public domain films that are available absolutely free on the Internet Moving Image Archive. This doesn't seem right to me. Maybe our friends at Films.com can elaborate? Gary Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Public Domain for sale???
Hi all Just came across something sort of odd. I notice that Films Media is selling streaming licenses for a number of public domain films that are available absolutely free on the Internet Moving Image Archive. This doesn't seem right to me. Maybe our friends at Films.com can elaborate? Gary Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Public Domain for sale???
Can you forward some examples. J. Op 29-09-10 17:07, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu ghand...@library.berkeley.edu schreef: Hi all Just came across something sort of odd. I notice that Films Media is selling streaming licenses for a number of public domain films that are available absolutely free on the Internet Moving Image Archive. This doesn't seem right to me. Maybe our friends at Films.com can elaborate? Gary Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Public Domain for sale???
Check out http://films.com/id/17839/Prelinger_Archives_American_Thrift_Part_I_1962.htm I have a note into Rick Prelinger, who may or may not be aware of this. I have huge respect for Rick, so I hope it's not gary Can you forward some examples. J. Op 29-09-10 17:07, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu ghand...@library.berkeley.edu schreef: Hi all Just came across something sort of odd. I notice that Films Media is selling streaming licenses for a number of public domain films that are available absolutely free on the Internet Moving Image Archive. This doesn't seem right to me. Maybe our friends at Films.com can elaborate? Gary Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Public Domain for sale???
Well PD films have been available in VHS and DVD for a long time and we all keep buying them. Why? Because it's too much trouble for many of us to make a dub and have it on hand when it goes missing. Yeah, streaming PD titles can be a bit different. Prelinger films are always there (in theory) freely available to stream at archive.org. I guess I just look at it as a convenience that FMG is selling. No, I would not buy FMGs stream knowing that it was freely available legally elsewhere. Companies have been selling PD titles for a long time what difference does it make what format it is in? On the other hand you can look at it as a company taking advantage of someone that may not have knowledge that a title is available for free legally elsewhere. Best, Myles -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of ghand...@library.berkeley.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:34 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Public Domain for sale??? Check out http://films.com/id/17839/Prelinger_Archives_American_Thrift_Part_I_1962.htm I have a note into Rick Prelinger, who may or may not be aware of this. I have huge respect for Rick, so I hope it's not gary Can you forward some examples. J. Op 29-09-10 17:07, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu ghand...@library.berkeley.edu schreef: Hi all Just came across something sort of odd. I notice that Films Media is selling streaming licenses for a number of public domain films that are available absolutely free on the Internet Moving Image Archive. This doesn't seem right to me. Maybe our friends at Films.com can elaborate? Gary Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Public Domain for sale???
I think it is a problem because, yes the item is in the public domain, but what ever wrapper Internet Archives has put on the item is not. I assume Prelinger has put a Cretive Commons License on their additions, but they probably forbid commericalization of their product. Because the stream lists Prelinger Archives in the URL a downloader could think that by purchasing it at Films they are supporting the Internet archives when they may not be. My two cents. jhs John H. Streepy Media Services Supervisor Library-Media Circulation James E. Brooks Library Central Washington University 400 East University Way Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548 (509) 963-2861 http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory. All part of being a librarian -- James Turner Rex Libris Transitus profusum est nocens! Jaeschke, Myles mjae...@tulsalibrary.org 9/29/2010 8:50 AM Well PD films have been available in VHS and DVD for a long time and we all keep buying them. Why? Because it's too much trouble for many of us to make a dub and have it on hand when it goes missing. Yeah, streaming PD titles can be a bit different. Prelinger films are always there (in theory) freely available to stream at archive.org. I guess I just look at it as a convenience that FMG is selling. No, I would not buy FMGs stream knowing that it was freely available legally elsewhere. Companies have been selling PD titles for a long time what difference does it make what format it is in? On the other hand you can look at it as a company taking advantage of someone that may not have knowledge that a title is available for free legally elsewhere. Best, Myles -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of ghand...@library.berkeley.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:34 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Public Domain for sale??? Check out http://films.com/id/17839/Prelinger_Archives_American_Thrift_Part_I_1962.htm I have a note into Rick Prelinger, who may or may not be aware of this. I have huge respect for Rick, so I hope it's not gary Can you forward some examples. J. Op 29-09-10 17:07, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu ghand...@library.berkeley.edu schreef: Hi all Just came across something sort of odd. I notice that Films Media is selling streaming licenses for a number of public domain films that are available absolutely free on the Internet Moving Image Archive. This doesn't seem right to me. Maybe our friends at Films.com can elaborate? Gary Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Public Domain for sale???
John, I would agree with that aspect of it. If FMG is advertising a PD title from the Prelinger archives (which they clearly are) and Rick Prelinger is not aware of this then yes that is a problem. And yes, first glance at the example given it appears that FMG is trying to capitalize on Prelinger's name and work in archiving PD titles which I too would take issue with if it is indeed true. But I don't see a problem with a company trying to sell a PD title in any format as long as the entire content streamed is PD. What would stop FMG or any other company for that matter from removing said wrappers and sell streaming access? Best, Myles Tulsa City County Library Media Collections From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of John Streepy Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:34 AM To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu' Subject: Re: [Videolib] Public Domain for sale??? I think it is a problem because, yes the item is in the public domain, but what ever wrapper Internet Archives has put on the item is not. I assume Prelinger has put a Cretive Commons License on their additions, but they probably forbid commericalization of their product. Because the stream lists Prelinger Archives in the URL a downloader could think that by purchasing it at Films they are supporting the Internet archives when they may not be. My two cents. jhs John H. Streepy Media Services Supervisor Library-Media Circulation James E. Brooks Library Central Washington University 400 East University Way Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548 (509) 963-2861 http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory. All part of being a librarian -- James Turner Rex Libris Transitus profusum est nocens! Jaeschke, Myles mjae...@tulsalibrary.org 9/29/2010 8:50 AM Well PD films have been available in VHS and DVD for a long time and we all keep buying them. Why? Because it's too much trouble for many of us to make a dub and have it on hand when it goes missing. Yeah, streaming PD titles can be a bit different. Prelinger films are always there (in theory) freely available to stream at archive.org. I guess I just look at it as a convenience that FMG is selling. No, I would not buy FMGs stream knowing that it was freely available legally elsewhere. Companies have been selling PD titles for a long time what difference does it make what format it is in? On the other hand you can look at it as a company taking advantage of someone that may not have knowledge that a title is available for free legally elsewhere. Best, Myles -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of ghand...@library.berkeley.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:34 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Public Domain for sale??? Check out http://films.com/id/17839/Prelinger_Archives_American_Thrift_Part_I_1962.htm I have a note into Rick Prelinger, who may or may not be aware of this. I have huge respect for Rick, so I hope it's not gary Can you forward some examples. J. Op 29-09-10 17:07, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu ghand...@library.berkeley.edu schreef: Hi all Just came across something sort of odd. I notice that Films Media is selling streaming licenses for a number of public domain films that are available absolutely free on the Internet Moving Image Archive. This doesn't seem right to me. Maybe our friends at Films.com can elaborate? Gary Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation
