Re: [Videolib] Question about LC call numbers
Anthony- You're overthinking it. It was an effective way to get away from having hundreds of PN1997s. We can tweak it anyway we want to. Hitchcock is in British films, but could just as easily been classed with American. Same for whether or not to place Bunuel in Spanish or French. Billy Wilder is considered an American (i.e. Hollywood) director, so his films are within American. And if it was a problem having Brokeback mixed in with a handful of Asian films, we'd have found a way to reclass it to land within American films. Barb Bergman | Media Services Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Anthony Anderson Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 6:34 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about LC call numbers Barbara! Just curious: Brokeback Mountain is categorized as an Asian film because Ang Lee comes from Taiwan. Do you handle in the same manner all the many films made by all the many directors who have come from abroad and established themselves as Hollywood directors? Are Psycho and Vertigo classed as British films because Hitchcock came from the U.K.? The Apartment and Sunset Boulevard classed as Polish cinema because Billy Wilder was born in (what is now) Poland? And all the American films directed by Fred Zinnemann, Ernest Lubitsch, Fritz Lang, Douglas Sirk, Otto Preminger, etc., etc.? I don't know but some people might find it amusant that Zinnemann's quintessential American musical Oklahoma! might be considered to be an Austrian movie...? Just curious Cheers, Anthony *** Anthony E. Anderson Social Studies and Arts Humanities Librarian Von KleinSmid Library University of Southern California Los Angeles, CA 90089-0182 (213) 740-1190 antho...@usc.edumailto:antho...@usc.edu Wind, regen, zon, of kou, Albert Cuyp ik hou van jou. * VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Question about LC call numbers
Barbara! I am afraid I was suffering from a profound case of whimsies when I penned my little little missive yesterday afternoon. My apologies! Best, Anthony Bergman, Barbara J wrote: Anthony- You're overthinking it. It was an effective way to get away from having hundreds of PN1997s. We can tweak it anyway we want to. Hitchcock is in British films, but could just as easily been classed with American. Same for whether or not to place Bunuel in Spanish or French. Billy Wilder is considered an American (i.e. Hollywood) director, so his films are within American. And if it was a problem having Brokeback mixed in with a handful of Asian films, we'd have found a way to reclass it to land within American films. Barb Bergman | Media Services Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Question about LC call numbers
Christine, Indeed, our DVDs are in open stacks now (we moved them out a few years ago) which our patrons LOVE. Now they're requesting that we put them in some kind of order. It's true that our patrons can find videos in our catalog by genre, language, etc. so this hasn't really been a burning issue with me, and I do like to avoid the perception of the library video collection being like a video store, but this request is so persistent, and from faculty as well as students, that I decided to start thinking about it a little bit. Cheers, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.eduhttps://mail.eservices.virginia.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=62fe60f092584617be4c37bdfc2dcf42URL=mailto%3amattball%40virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of CROWLEY, CHRISTINE Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 11:20 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about LC call numbers Maybe I am missing something --I can see accession numbers for closed stacks where the DVDs are retrieved after a patron finds them in the catalog. However, what about browsers who want to look through foreign films, musicals, etc. Accession number order would be a nightmare for serendipity, no? Christine Crowley Dean of Learning Resources Adjunct Faculty--Theatre Northwest Vista College 3535 N. Ellison Dr. San Antonio, TX 78251 210.486.4572 office 210.486.4504 fax ccrowl...@alamo.edumailto:ccrowl...@alamo.edu Northwest Vista College is one of the Alamo Colleges www.alamo.edu/nvc/lrchttp://www.alamo.edu/nvc/lrc From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu on behalf of Rick Faaberg Sent: Sun 5/22/2011 9:51 PM To: Videolib List Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about LC call numbers On 5/22/11 7:02 PM, Randal Baier rba...@emich.edu sent this: In my opinion, humbled by such an august group, this is a compulsion up with which I will not put. Given the catalogs we use, if there are decent subject headings and full information, and format filters, I don't really think it's necessary to LCify media. Incremental accession numbers work for us. I concur. I did the LC thing with our K-12 collection way back when - and the library users (teachers) did not like it at all. (The school librarians did like it, but that's another story :) One year later, back to the subject headings and accession numbers. Best Rick Faaberg VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Question about LC call numbers
Matt, This is something we deal with here and I don't recommend LC for film. Here is why: LC means nothing to the patron. They want things to be in an order that makes sense to them. We use LC and I can't tell you how often I wish we had a simple numbering system for them. The call numbers are all so similar that it is difficult for us (the supposed professionals) to find things, I can't imagine how difficult it would be for the patrons if we shelved them that way. We shelve the cases in order by the first letter of the title in the browsing area but the actual disks are in call number order behind the desk and the disks are so easily misfiled it's mind-boggling. We do embrace the video store model here though and the collection accounts for more than a third of our overall circulations. You might try talking to the faculty and students to see what way they would search the collection to see how you might organize it to fit their needs. Karen Glover Circulation Services Librarian, Assistant Department Head Georgia Institute of Technology Atlanta, GA From: Ball, James (jmb4aw) jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 11:41:11 AM Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about LC call numbers Re: [Videolib] Question about LC call numbers Christine, Indeed, our DVDs are in open stacks now (we moved them out a few years ago) which our patrons LOVE. Now they’re requesting that we put them “in some kind of order.” It’s true that our patrons can find videos in our catalog by genre, language, etc. so this hasn’t really been a burning issue with me, and I do like to avoid the perception of the library video collection being like a video store, but this request is so persistent, and from faculty as well as students, that I decided to start thinking about it a little bit. Cheers, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edu| 434-924-3812 From:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of CROWLEY, CHRISTINE Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 11:20 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about LC call numbers Maybe I am missing something --I can see accession numbers for closed stacks where the DVDs are retrieved after a patron finds them in the catalog. However, what about browsers who want to look through foreign films, musicals, etc. Accession number order would be a nightmare for serendipity, no? Christine Crowley Dean of Learning Resources Adjunct Faculty--Theatre Northwest Vista College 3535 N. Ellison Dr. San Antonio, TX 78251 210.486.4572 office 210.486.4504 fax ccrowl...@alamo.edu Northwest Vista College is one of the Alamo Colleges www.alamo.edu/nvc/lrc From:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu on behalf of Rick Faaberg Sent: Sun 5/22/2011 9:51 PM To: Videolib List Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about LC call numbers On 5/22/11 7:02 PM, Randal Baier rba...@emich.edu sent this: In my opinion, humbled by such an august group, this is a compulsion up with which I will not put. Given the catalogs we use, if there are decent subject headings and full information, and format filters, I don't really think it's necessary to LCify media. Incremental accession numbers work for us. I concur. I did the LC thing with our K-12 collection way back when – and the library users (teachers) did not like it at all. (The school librarians did like it, but that’s another story :) One year later, back to the subject headings and accession numbers. Best Rick Faaberg VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Question about LC call numbers
Yeah, I get your point on that Christine. Agreed. We keep ours in a case back where the mushrooms grow, so we don't have them on open shelves at all. But for Matt and others who have them on the shelves, I can see the sense of having them integrated. But I would still want to see Peckinpah with Peckinpah, so that the movies were also side by side with criticism and so forth, similar to literature. Integrated by topic, subject, rather than by format. Rather than finding a Peckinpah movie in a feature films by title (PN1997 .B for Ballad, etc.) this gets to Matt's question about Cuttering by author or title. Regarding discovery by chance, I must say, rather than a nightmare, browsing by accession numbers is serendipity's paradise. Consider just these four from a random listing: DVD567 Comet collision DVD 568 Voyage to the planets and beyond DVD569 Run Lola Run DVD 570 Cité des enfants perd[us]. But the more we can do to enhance access the better -- various types of listings can only help. To be honest, I don't really have a simple listing in one column that says something like Films About Africa. Maybe I am missing something --I can see accession numbers for closed stacks where the DVDs are retrieved after a patron finds them in the catalog. However, what about browsers who want to look through foreign films, musicals, etc. Accession number order would be a nightmare for serendipity, no? Christine Crowley Dean of Learning Resources Adjunct Faculty--Theatre Northwest Vista College 3535 N. Ellison Dr. San Antonio, TX 78251 210.486.4572 office 210.486.4504 fax ccrowl...@alamo.edu Northwest Vista College is one of the Alamo Colleges www.alamo.edu/nvc/lrc From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu on behalf of Rick Faaberg Sent: Sun 5/22/2011 9:51 PM To: Videolib List Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about LC call numbers On 5/22/11 7:02 PM, Randal Baierrba...@emich.edu sent this: In my opinion, humbled by such an august group, this is a compulsion up with which I will not put. Given the catalogs we use, if there are decent subject headings and full information, and format filters, I don't really think it's necessary to LCify media. Incremental accession numbers work for us. I concur. I did the LC thing with our K-12 collection way back when - and the library users (teachers) did not like it at all. (The school librarians did like it, but that's another story :) One year later, back to the subject headings and accession numbers. Best Rick Faaberg VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Question about LC call numbers
Yes, the vagaries of LC do leave us with some frustrating issues--movies made from literature are in the PR, PS etc even if they are popular feature films. We do make decisions to put a few titles in different places. One of the advantages is that I can tell a student that if they find a book on a subject they want, they can check the same number (usually) in the video section to find a visual item. Christine Crowley Dean of Learning Resources Adjunct Faculty--Theatre Northwest Vista College 3535 N. Ellison Dr. San Antonio, TX 78251 210.486.4572 office 210.486.4504 fax ccrowl...@alamo.edu Northwest Vista College is one of the Alamo Colleges www.alamo.edu/nvc/lrc From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu on behalf of Randal Baier Sent: Mon 5/23/2011 12:59 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about LC call numbers Yeah, I get your point on that Christine. Agreed. We keep ours in a case back where the mushrooms grow, so we don't have them on open shelves at all. But for Matt and others who have them on the shelves, I can see the sense of having them integrated. But I would still want to see Peckinpah with Peckinpah, so that the movies were also side by side with criticism and so forth, similar to literature. Integrated by topic, subject, rather than by format. Rather than finding a Peckinpah movie in a feature films by title (PN1997 .B for Ballad, etc.) this gets to Matt's question about Cuttering by author or title. Regarding discovery by chance, I must say, rather than a nightmare, browsing by accession numbers is serendipity's paradise. Consider just these four from a random listing: DVD567 Comet collision DVD 568 Voyage to the planets and beyond DVD569 Run Lola Run DVD 570 Cité des enfants perd[us]. But the more we can do to enhance access the better -- various types of listings can only help. To be honest, I don't really have a simple listing in one column that says something like Films About Africa. Maybe I am missing something --I can see accession numbers for closed stacks where the DVDs are retrieved after a patron finds them in the catalog. However, what about browsers who want to look through foreign films, musicals, etc. Accession number order would be a nightmare for serendipity, no? Christine Crowley Dean of Learning Resources Adjunct Faculty--Theatre Northwest Vista College 3535 N. Ellison Dr. San Antonio, TX 78251 210.486.4572 office 210.486.4504 fax ccrowl...@alamo.edu Northwest Vista College is one of the Alamo Colleges www.alamo.edu/nvc/lrc From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu on behalf of Rick Faaberg Sent: Sun 5/22/2011 9:51 PM To: Videolib List Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about LC call numbers On 5/22/11 7:02 PM, Randal Baier rba...@emich.edu mailto:rba...@emich.edu sent this: In my opinion, humbled by such an august group, this is a compulsion up with which I will not put. Given the catalogs we use, if there are decent subject headings and full information, and format filters, I don't really think it's necessary to LCify media. Incremental accession numbers work for us. I concur. I did the LC thing with our K-12 collection way back when - and the library users (teachers) did not like it at all. (The school librarians did like it, but that's another story :) One year later, back to the subject headings and accession numbers. Best Rick Faaberg VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. winmail.datVIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Question about LC call numbers
Matt, We have our DVDs and videos classed by LC numbers. Pros: does get them ordered by subject, making them browseable. Con: Yes, call numbers tend to be too similar. Would not recommend LC for closed stacks. Something we (meaning: the AV cataloger, not me) did here was to class the feature films within the literature schedule, using Director as Author. You still have a whole lotta P's, but it spaces them out and away from PN1997. Organization is by Country of origin of the director, Director, Title. Result is that films are essentially sorted by language and then alphabetized by director's name. (Occasional goofiness: Brokeback Mountain is filed with the Asian films because Ang Lee directed.) TV shows are still clustered together. Another option for you might be to use something like the ANSCR music classification system -- It uses abbreviations to class by genre and then artist/composer. Barb Bergman | Media Services Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Question about LC call numbers
Barbara! Just curious: *Brokeback Mountain* is categorized as an Asian film because Ang Lee comes from Taiwan. Do you handle in the same manner all the many films made by all the many directors who have come from abroad and established themselves as Hollywood directors? Are *Psycho* and *Vertigo* classed as British films because Hitchcock came from the U.K.? *The Apartment* and *Sunset Boulevard* classed as Polish cinema because Billy Wilder was born in (what is now) Poland? And all the American films directed by Fred Zinnemann, Ernest Lubitsch, Fritz Lang, Douglas Sirk, Otto Preminger, etc., etc.? I don't know but some people might find it /amusant /that Zinnemann's* quintessential* American musical *Oklahoma!* might be considered to be an Austrian movie...? Just curious Cheers, Anthony *** Anthony E. Anderson Social Studies and Arts Humanities Librarian Von KleinSmid Library University of Southern California Los Angeles, CA 90089-0182 (213) 740-1190 antho...@usc.edu Wind, regen, zon, of kou, Albert Cuyp ik hou van jou. * Bergman, Barbara J wrote: Matt, We have our DVDs and videos classed by LC numbers. Pros: does get them ordered by subject, making them browseable. Con: Yes, call numbers tend to be too similar. Would not recommend LC for closed stacks. Something we (meaning: the AV cataloger, not me) did here was to class the feature films within the literature schedule, using Director as Author. You still have a whole lotta P's, but it spaces them out and away from PN1997. *Organization is by Country of origin of the director, Director, Title. Result is that films are essentially sorted by language and then alphabetized by director's name. (Occasional goofiness: Brokeback Mountain is filed with the Asian films because Ang Lee directed.)* TV shows are still clustered together. Another option for you might be to use something like the ANSCR music classification system -- It uses abbreviations to class by genre and then artist/composer. Barb Bergman | Media Services Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Question about LC call numbers
Just use accession numbers and be done with it, dudes! Gary Barbara! Just curious: *Brokeback Mountain* is categorized as an Asian film because Ang Lee comes from Taiwan. Do you handle in the same manner all the many films made by all the many directors who have come from abroad and established themselves as Hollywood directors? Are *Psycho* and *Vertigo* classed as British films because Hitchcock came from the U.K.? *The Apartment* and *Sunset Boulevard* classed as Polish cinema because Billy Wilder was born in (what is now) Poland? And all the American films directed by Fred Zinnemann, Ernest Lubitsch, Fritz Lang, Douglas Sirk, Otto Preminger, etc., etc.? I don't know but some people might find it /amusant /that Zinnemann's* quintessential* American musical *Oklahoma!* might be considered to be an Austrian movie...? Just curious Cheers, Anthony *** Anthony E. Anderson Social Studies and Arts Humanities Librarian Von KleinSmid Library University of Southern California Los Angeles, CA 90089-0182 (213) 740-1190 antho...@usc.edu Wind, regen, zon, of kou, Albert Cuyp ik hou van jou. * Bergman, Barbara J wrote: Matt, We have our DVDs and videos classed by LC numbers. Pros: does get them ordered by subject, making them browseable. Con: Yes, call numbers tend to be too similar. Would not recommend LC for closed stacks. Something we (meaning: the AV cataloger, not me) did here was to class the feature films within the literature schedule, using Director as Author. You still have a whole lotta P's, but it spaces them out and away from PN1997. *Organization is by Country of origin of the director, Director, Title. Result is that films are essentially sorted by language and then alphabetized by director's name. (Occasional goofiness: Brokeback Mountain is filed with the Asian films because Ang Lee directed.)* TV shows are still clustered together. Another option for you might be to use something like the ANSCR music classification system -- It uses abbreviations to class by genre and then artist/composer. Barb Bergman | Media Services Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Question about LC call numbers
Hi All, I'm toying with the idea of reclassing our DVD collection using LC and I was wondering if anyone else has done this (right now we just use accession numbers). I know that the documentaries get classed by topic (videos about dance in GV, videos about political science in JA), but for feature films do you class in PN1997 then cutter by filmmaker or title? Or do you class in PN1995.9 then cutter by genre? If the latter, where does your genre classification come from? Do you class television shows in PN1992? And finally (whew!), are your LC call numbers downloaded with copy records or is someone at your institution assigning them? Many thanks, Matt __ Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia mattb...@virginia.edu 434-924-3812 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
