Re: [Videolib] Streaming video question
Well I was mostly referring to foreign films which do not have US rights holders and that is actually the majority. Many but not all of the "popular" foreign films have US distribution but again the vast majority of non American films have no current US distribution including tens of thousands that did at one time. I recently ran across ENTRE NOUS which happens to be a favorite of mine and it like so many has been out of distribution for a long time. You can still find a DVD around but of course no way to stream short of dealing with someone in Europe I am also concerned about the "windows" as I am not really sure any of the major European rights holders is willing to sell lifetime streaming rights. I know Studio Canal & MK2 turned down one of my distributors flat when they wanted to sell lifetime streaming rights on DVDs they had standard 7 and 10 year contracts on. Per above Foreign films expire with some regularity, sometimes they go out of distribution completely and sometimes they change companies and I don't believe streaming is anywhere near the same as selling a physical copy and again have never seen a contract stating US distributors can sell streaming rights past the term of the contract. The overall point though is that there are tens of thousands probably hundreds of thousands of films for which streaming rights are just not available. On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Elizabeth Sheldon < elizab...@kinolorber.com> wrote: > Jessica, > > i always appreciate reading your contributions to the listserv but > sometimes am perplexed by your statements. Kino Lorber, as you know, > licenses many films from foreign rights holders and in my experience they > are never > "particularly difficult." Whether it is the Murnau Foundation or Studio > Canal, generally speaking the Europeans embrace the digital exploitation of > rights both to the educational as well as the consumer markets if the > windows are respected and the exploitation generates revenue. The same goes > for domestic rights holders. > > I also think the day is coming sooner rather than later when PPR and VOD > will be bundled together for the higher profile feature length docs. I am > sure there will be plenty more discussion around these issues in Charleston. > > Best, > > Elizabeth > > Elizabeth Sheldon > Vice President > Kino Lorber, Inc. > 333 W. 39th St., Suite 503 > New York, NY 10018 > (212) 629-6880 > > www.kinolorberedu.com > > > On Oct 25, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Jessica Rosner wrote: > > I know what you meant but it is just never going to happen. I think major > studio stuff will be on their own systems which you can access, indie > companies will let you buy it and do it on your system but even if you had > money and time for all that, you have tens of thousands if not hundreds of > thousands of films where the rights holder either won't do it or will want > too much money. The foreign rights holders are particularly difficult. If > only it were like that commercial where the guy goes into the rundown motel > in the desert and the clerk says their cable system carries every movie > ever made. > > > On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Moshiri, Farhad wrote: > >> Thanks Jessica. I thought so. The main point is having access to only >> videos the library selects. Individual memberships do not limit the access >> to specific videos. In addition, I'm not talking about public performance. >> These videos would be accessed from home or in class. But I do agree there >> are a lot of problems. Just a Friday thought! >> >> Farhad Moshiri, MLS, Post-Masters Advanced Study Certificate >> Audiovisual & Music Librarian >> University of the Incarnate Word >> 4301 Broadway - CPO 297 >> San Antonio, TX 78209 >> 210-829-3842 >> >> ---------- >> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [ >> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner [ >> maddux2...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2013 10:19 AM >> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu >> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Streaming video question >> >> Not bloody likely. It would literally be impossible for them to clear >> rights to do this, and the technology would be daunting too. Now it would >> be interesting if a school were to say subsidize membership for students in >> classes where films on these sites were going to be studied. >> >> Jessica >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Moshiri, Farhad wrote: >> >>> A TGIF question! >>> >>> >>> >>> Do Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, etc. have an educational institutions platfo
Re: [Videolib] Streaming video question
Jessica, i always appreciate reading your contributions to the listserv but sometimes am perplexed by your statements. Kino Lorber, as you know, licenses many films from foreign rights holders and in my experience they are never "particularly difficult." Whether it is the Murnau Foundation or Studio Canal, generally speaking the Europeans embrace the digital exploitation of rights both to the educational as well as the consumer markets if the windows are respected and the exploitation generates revenue. The same goes for domestic rights holders. I also think the day is coming sooner rather than later when PPR and VOD will be bundled together for the higher profile feature length docs. I am sure there will be plenty more discussion around these issues in Charleston. Best, Elizabeth Elizabeth Sheldon Vice President Kino Lorber, Inc. 333 W. 39th St., Suite 503 New York, NY 10018 (212) 629-6880 www.kinolorberedu.com On Oct 25, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Jessica Rosner wrote: I know what you meant but it is just never going to happen. I think major studio stuff will be on their own systems which you can access, indie companies will let you buy it and do it on your system but even if you had money and time for all that, you have tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of films where the rights holder either won't do it or will want too much money. The foreign rights holders are particularly difficult. If only it were like that commercial where the guy goes into the rundown motel in the desert and the clerk says their cable system carries every movie ever made. On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Moshiri, Farhad wrote: Thanks Jessica. I thought so. The main point is having access to only videos the library selects. Individual memberships do not limit the access to specific videos. In addition, I'm not talking about public performance. These videos would be accessed from home or in class. But I do agree there are a lot of problems. Just a Friday thought! Farhad Moshiri, MLS, Post-Masters Advanced Study Certificate Audiovisual & Music Librarian University of the Incarnate Word 4301 Broadway - CPO 297 San Antonio, TX 78209 210-829-3842 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner [maddux2...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:19 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Streaming video question Not bloody likely. It would literally be impossible for them to clear rights to do this, and the technology would be daunting too. Now it would be interesting if a school were to say subsidize membership for students in classes where films on these sites were going to be studied. Jessica On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Moshiri, Farhad wrote: A TGIF question! Do Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, etc. have an educational institutions platform in which the video librarians can select and purchase videos and then their students and faculty can access those videos through log-in based on the institutions’ IP addresses? This would be great if it exists or if it is possible at all to replace purchasing DVDs. Farhad Moshiri, MLS Audiovisual & Music Librarian University of the Incarnate Word 4301 Broadway - CPO 297 San Antonio, TX 78209 210-829-3842 This email and any files transmitted with it may be confidential or contain privileged information and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately delete the email and any attachments from your system and notify the sender. Any other use of this e-mail is prohibited. Thank you for your compliance. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussio
Re: [Videolib] Streaming video question
I know what you meant but it is just never going to happen. I think major studio stuff will be on their own systems which you can access, indie companies will let you buy it and do it on your system but even if you had money and time for all that, you have tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of films where the rights holder either won't do it or will want too much money. The foreign rights holders are particularly difficult. If only it were like that commercial where the guy goes into the rundown motel in the desert and the clerk says their cable system carries every movie ever made. On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Moshiri, Farhad wrote: > Thanks Jessica. I thought so. The main point is having access to only > videos the library selects. Individual memberships do not limit the access > to specific videos. In addition, I'm not talking about public performance. > These videos would be accessed from home or in class. But I do agree there > are a lot of problems. Just a Friday thought! > > Farhad Moshiri, MLS, Post-Masters Advanced Study Certificate > Audiovisual & Music Librarian > University of the Incarnate Word > 4301 Broadway - CPO 297 > San Antonio, TX 78209 > 210-829-3842 > > -- > *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [ > videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner [ > maddux2...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, October 25, 2013 10:19 AM > *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Streaming video question > > Not bloody likely. It would literally be impossible for them to clear > rights to do this, and the technology would be daunting too. Now it would > be interesting if a school were to say subsidize membership for students in > classes where films on these sites were going to be studied. > > Jessica > > > On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Moshiri, Farhad wrote: > >> A TGIF question! >> >> >> >> Do Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, etc. have an educational institutions platform >> in which the video librarians can select and purchase videos and then their >> students and faculty can access those videos through log-in based on the >> institutions’ IP addresses? This would be great if it exists or if it is >> possible at all to replace purchasing DVDs. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Farhad Moshiri, MLS* >> >> Audiovisual & Music Librarian >> >> University of the Incarnate Word >> >> 4301 Broadway - CPO 297 >> >> San Antonio, TX 78209 >> >> 210-829-3842 >> >> >> >> -- >> This email and any files transmitted with it may be confidential or >> contain privileged information and are intended solely for the use of the >> individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the >> intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this email in >> error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of >> this email and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received >> this email in error, please immediately delete the email and any >> attachments from your system and notify the sender. Any other use of this >> e-mail is prohibited. Thank you for your compliance. >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> producers and distributors. >> >> > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as > an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors. > > <>VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Streaming video question
Thanks Jessica. I thought so. The main point is having access to only videos the library selects. Individual memberships do not limit the access to specific videos. In addition, I'm not talking about public performance. These videos would be accessed from home or in class. But I do agree there are a lot of problems. Just a Friday thought! Farhad Moshiri, MLS, Post-Masters Advanced Study Certificate Audiovisual & Music Librarian University of the Incarnate Word 4301 Broadway - CPO 297 San Antonio, TX 78209 210-829-3842 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner [maddux2...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:19 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Streaming video question Not bloody likely. It would literally be impossible for them to clear rights to do this, and the technology would be daunting too. Now it would be interesting if a school were to say subsidize membership for students in classes where films on these sites were going to be studied. Jessica On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Moshiri, Farhad mailto:mosh...@uiwtx.edu>> wrote: A TGIF question! Do Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, etc. have an educational institutions platform in which the video librarians can select and purchase videos and then their students and faculty can access those videos through log-in based on the institutions’ IP addresses? This would be great if it exists or if it is possible at all to replace purchasing DVDs. [cid:image001.png@01CED168.8B6159A0] Farhad Moshiri, MLS Audiovisual & Music Librarian University of the Incarnate Word 4301 Broadway - CPO 297 San Antonio, TX 78209 210-829-3842 This email and any files transmitted with it may be confidential or contain privileged information and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately delete the email and any attachments from your system and notify the sender. Any other use of this e-mail is prohibited. Thank you for your compliance. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. <>VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Streaming video question
No but the last time I checked with iTunes their license permits faculty to show the videos in class while the last time I checked on Amazon and Netflix licenses they could not stream them in their classroom. It might be an alternative for some films for faculty to use iTunes if you recheck the license. Jo Ann Jo Ann Reynolds Reserve Services Coordinator University of Connecticut Homer Babbidge Library 369 Fairfield Road, Unit 1005RR Storrs, CT 06269-1005 860-486-1406 voice 860-486-0584 fax From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Moshiri, Farhad Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:57 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] Streaming video question A TGIF question! Do Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, etc. have an educational institutions platform in which the video librarians can select and purchase videos and then their students and faculty can access those videos through log-in based on the institutions' IP addresses? This would be great if it exists or if it is possible at all to replace purchasing DVDs. [cid:image001.png@01CED177.4ADCA290] Farhad Moshiri, MLS Audiovisual & Music Librarian University of the Incarnate Word 4301 Broadway - CPO 297 San Antonio, TX 78209 210-829-3842 This email and any files transmitted with it may be confidential or contain privileged information and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately delete the email and any attachments from your system and notify the sender. Any other use of this e-mail is prohibited. Thank you for your compliance. <>VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Streaming video question
Hello Farhad Moshiri, I have not seen such a platform on Amazon. If you decided to purchase an Amazon.com download title, it would come with licensing restrictions-- http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=atv_dp_tou?ie=UTF8&nodeId=200026970 --which limit use of the video to " a private viewing for you and your invitees." Use of a download by students in a class appears to be not allowed. We contacted Hulu.com in March 2013 to ask about library access. They informed us that "the agreements with our content providers limit viewing of Hulu content to personal, non-commercial use only." I have no information about NetFlix. Michael S. Phillips Library Associate I Monographic Acquisitions Division Texas A&M University acqmo...@library.tamu.edu<mailto:acqmo...@library.tamu.edu> 5000 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-5000 Tel. 979.845.1343 ext. 151 | Fax. 979.845.5310 http://library.tamu.edu From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Moshiri, Farhad Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:27 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Streaming video question Thanks Jessica. I thought so. The main point is having access to only videos the library selects. Individual memberships do not limit the access to specific videos. In addition, I'm not talking about public performance. These videos would be accessed from home or in class. But I do agree there are a lot of problems. Just a Friday thought! Farhad Moshiri, MLS, Post-Masters Advanced Study Certificate Audiovisual & Music Librarian University of the Incarnate Word 4301 Broadway - CPO 297 San Antonio, TX 78209 210-829-3842 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu> [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner [maddux2...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:19 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Streaming video question Not bloody likely. It would literally be impossible for them to clear rights to do this, and the technology would be daunting too. Now it would be interesting if a school were to say subsidize membership for students in classes where films on these sites were going to be studied. Jessica On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Moshiri, Farhad mailto:mosh...@uiwtx.edu>> wrote: A TGIF question! Do Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, etc. have an educational institutions platform in which the video librarians can select and purchase videos and then their students and faculty can access those videos through log-in based on the institutions' IP addresses? This would be great if it exists or if it is possible at all to replace purchasing DVDs. [cid:image001.png@01CED16E.45216FB0] Farhad Moshiri, MLS Audiovisual & Music Librarian University of the Incarnate Word 4301 Broadway - CPO 297 San Antonio, TX 78209 210-829-3842 This email and any files transmitted with it may be confidential or contain privileged information and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately delete the email and any attachments from your system and notify the sender. Any other use of this e-mail is prohibited. Thank you for your compliance. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. <>VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Streaming video question
Not bloody likely. It would literally be impossible for them to clear rights to do this, and the technology would be daunting too. Now it would be interesting if a school were to say subsidize membership for students in classes where films on these sites were going to be studied. Jessica On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Moshiri, Farhad wrote: > A TGIF question! > > ** ** > > Do Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, etc. have an educational institutions platform > in which the video librarians can select and purchase videos and then their > students and faculty can access those videos through log-in based on the > institutions’ IP addresses? This would be great if it exists or if it is > possible at all to replace purchasing DVDs. > > ** ** > > > > ** ** > > *Farhad Moshiri, MLS* > > Audiovisual & Music Librarian > > University of the Incarnate Word > > 4301 Broadway - CPO 297 > > San Antonio, TX 78209 > > 210-829-3842 > > ** ** > > -- > This email and any files transmitted with it may be confidential or > contain privileged information and are intended solely for the use of the > individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the > intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this email in > error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of > this email and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received > this email in error, please immediately delete the email and any > attachments from your system and notify the sender. Any other use of this > e-mail is prohibited. Thank you for your compliance. > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as > an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors. > > <>VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Streaming video question
A TGIF question! Do Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, etc. have an educational institutions platform in which the video librarians can select and purchase videos and then their students and faculty can access those videos through log-in based on the institutions' IP addresses? This would be great if it exists or if it is possible at all to replace purchasing DVDs. [cid:image001.png@01CED168.8B6159A0] Farhad Moshiri, MLS Audiovisual & Music Librarian University of the Incarnate Word 4301 Broadway - CPO 297 San Antonio, TX 78209 210-829-3842 This email and any files transmitted with it may be confidential or contain privileged information and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately delete the email and any attachments from your system and notify the sender. Any other use of this e-mail is prohibited. Thank you for your compliance. <>VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
