[Videolib] region-free players-shhhhh
Hi- Are region-free players still considered illicit? If so, why? Does anyone feel comfortable recommending a model/vendor to me? I have to replace one that said adieu. Thanks, Debra Debra H. Mandel, Head, Digital Media Design Studio Northeastern University Libraries 360 Huntington Ave. 200 SL Boston, MA 02115 617-373-4902; 617-373-5409-Fax VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] region-free players-shhhhh
I am now aware they were ever considered illicit, but I am not always in the loop on tech stuff. Dumb question though, don't you mean a multi-system player? I assume that if a DVD is say region 3, the player is simply able to play most or all different regions. I thought region free referred to discs that could play on any player. I would consider such players essential for ANY school, in fact several would be a good idea. On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Mandel, Debra d.man...@neu.edu wrote: Hi- Are region-free players still considered illicit? If so, why? Does anyone feel comfortable recommending a model/vendor to me? I have to replace one that said adieu. Thanks, Debra Debra H. Mandel, Head, Digital Media Design Studio Northeastern University Libraries 360 Huntington Ave. 200 SL Boston, MA 02115 617-373-4902; 617-373-5409-Fax VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] region-free players-shhhhh
Hi I think this is a very gray area of international law. I'm not aware of any contractual stipulation (at least for the hundreds of out-of-region 1 discs we've purchased) that mandate anything about players. This most certainly IS NOT a copyright issue. The one big fly in the ointment re purchasing code free players is that while the seller may offer a short-term warranty, the manufacturer's warranty is almost uniformly voided...(the reason is that code free players are always after-market modifications...they're not sold directly by the big manufacturers--Sony, JVC, Panasonic, et al.) The whole thing is more than a little nuts. gary handman I am now aware they were ever considered illicit, but I am not always in the loop on tech stuff. Dumb question though, don't you mean a multi-system player? I assume that if a DVD is say region 3, the player is simply able to play most or all different regions. I thought region free referred to discs that could play on any player. I would consider such players essential for ANY school, in fact several would be a good idea. On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Mandel, Debra d.man...@neu.edu wrote: Hi- Are region-free players still considered illicit? If so, why? Does anyone feel comfortable recommending a model/vendor to me? I have to replace one that said adieu. Thanks, Debra Debra H. Mandel, Head, Digital Media Design Studio Northeastern University Libraries 360 Huntington Ave. 200 SL Boston, MA 02115 617-373-4902; 617-373-5409-Fax VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] region-free players-shhhhh
In the 2003 rulemaking of the Librarian of Congress, http://www.copyright.gov/1201/docs/registers-recommendation.pdf the comment was that It is uncontested that merely watching a lawfully obtained copy of a non-region 1 DVD is a noninfringing use BUT Persons with multi-region players are able to watch non-region 1 DVDs, but multi-region players appear to violate the prohibition on circumvention. They are, however, widely available in the online marketplace, and there is no indication that copyright owners or others have made any efforts to stop their distribution or use. Persons who use multi-region players to watch non-region 1 DVDs probably would be circumventing a technological protection measure that prevents access. The preferred method for playback of a non-region 1 DVD, says the argument, is a computer DVD drive, which can play the disc without circumvention. So far as I know this still stands. This is fine for an individual who wants to play European or Latin American DVDs and can dedicate a computer drive to that, but not so good for libraries and language labs. However, ALL the 2003 comments were by individuals who wanted to play one other region. To address another comment on this thread-it has never been illegal (just problematic) to play back PAL or SECAM (foreign standard) video. Some weeks ago, someone posted on Media-L a link to this vendor of combo units. http://www.220-electronics.com/dvd/combo.htm Judy Shoaf VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] region-free players-shhhhh
Thanks for the explanation, Gary. Thankfully, the decks are not that costly. Debra On 10/3/11 11:50 AM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: Hi I think this is a very gray area of international law. I'm not aware of any contractual stipulation (at least for the hundreds of out-of-region 1 discs we've purchased) that mandate anything about players. This most certainly IS NOT a copyright issue. The one big fly in the ointment re purchasing code free players is that while the seller may offer a short-term warranty, the manufacturer's warranty is almost uniformly voided...(the reason is that code free players are always after-market modifications...they're not sold directly by the big manufacturers--Sony, JVC, Panasonic, et al.) The whole thing is more than a little nuts. gary handman I am now aware they were ever considered illicit, but I am not always in the loop on tech stuff. Dumb question though, don't you mean a multi-system player? I assume that if a DVD is say region 3, the player is simply able to play most or all different regions. I thought region free referred to discs that could play on any player. I would consider such players essential for ANY school, in fact several would be a good idea. On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Mandel, Debra d.man...@neu.edu wrote: Hi- Are region-free players still considered illicit? If so, why? Does anyone feel comfortable recommending a model/vendor to me? I have to replace one that said adieu. Thanks, Debra Debra H. Mandel, Head, Digital Media Design Studio Northeastern University Libraries 360 Huntington Ave. 200 SL Boston, MA 02115 617-373-4902; 617-373-5409-Fax VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] region-free players-shhhhh
BH carries several models. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Multisystem-Players-Recorders/ci/2159/N/4289367638 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] region-free players-shhhhh
And not that I have one (because I actually have two) but I would suggest the modified Oppo that plays all regions of BluRay *and* DVD (universal BluRay players aren't necessarily all-region for DVDs). It's a solid machine that is very impressive technically, especially the higher-end models. I have the lower-end BDP-83 model and that's still exceptional. I'm still of the strong opinion that there are enough films that deserve to be shown on BluRay (Tree of Life, anybody?) that a college/university should have at least one system. Otherwise, it's like badly transferring beat-up 16mm prints to VHS and showing them to students who have mortgaged their future by taking out student loans to pay $50,000 a year tuition. Now, I'm in trouble! ;-) -- Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.comebackafrica.com www.yougottomove.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com http://www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! Follow Milestone on Twitter! http://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
