Re: [Videolib] videolib Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12
I agree whole-heartedly with Gary - i echo his point in my article in fact. These are the truths that are present. No doubt. I've been fielding a few different questions and replying somewhat "at-large" (with some asking about mass market, others academic, etc. and then some speaking to small venders in specific), and included a bit of my own ranting 2 penny's worth along the way. Didn't mean to too closely commingle the two, or confuse the later for market analysis. my bi-line was in the article. the colloquial wasn't meant as anything but that. best, Ben Malczewski Ypsilanti District Library -Original Message- From: Mike Tribby To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu' Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 12:03 pm Subject: Re: [Videolib] videolib Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12 Ben; It's hard for those of us who don't know you to fully evaluate this: On this alternative level, even our smaller-midlevel libary annual budget" iven the non-existent sig line on your posting as it manifest in my email ystem. I, as is plainly evident, work for a filthy vendor, so my thoughts are probably uspect when it comes to marketing and market share, but Gary's cautionary note bout the relative size of the library segment of the media market is a definite actor in most availability and pricing issues. Mike Tribby enior Cataloger uality Books Inc. he Best of America's Independent Presses mailto:mike.tri...@quality-books.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues elating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, reservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and elated institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective orking tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between ibraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] videolib Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12
>From my side i wouldn't say squat - i often purchase non-amazon titles (and >even if available through amazon i rarely exercise that channel - along these lines i don't do apple or kindle or anything that smacks of monopoly). I realize that we are in the minority though. point taken. but this more to my point. impossible? i don't know. most developers i speak with wish their was another way. many will say "well, good luck to this," but i don't think it's insurmountable. -Original Message- From: ghandman To: videolib Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:55 am Subject: Re: [Videolib] videolib Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12 What portion of the PL budgets cited are spent for non-amazon titles? squat. Gary Sorry, wasn't referring to mass market. On this alternative level, even our smaller-midlevel libary annual budget for dvd/media is around 50k - and we'll pay into a 30 library plus consortium over 10k for access to ebooks. Compounded nationally, these numbers and contracts mean something. -Original Message- From: ghandman To: videolib Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:23 am Subject: Re: [Videolib] videolib Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12 Public, academic, and school libraries are a huge economic engine ...you're kidding, of course? This market isn't even a fly-speck on the radar compared to general onsumer sales. And therein lies the problem for libraries in this arena. The shaping of the market and content delivery are always going to onform and play up to the latter. Content availability and modes of elivery basically seek the route of least resistance to the consumer's ocketbook. "Cultural significance" or the needs of education have nothing o do with nothing in this mass market. ary Handman Thank you Bob - likewise for the doc. > good stuff. I've been doing this annual article for LJ (and similar efforts with other channels) and it is largely a labor of love for me (as i'm sure, it is for you) - I've been breathing this stuff in well before a professional outlet became available. It is my hope that we can use platforms like this to take things from an at-large awareness level to something practical, effective, and consolidated. Public, academic, and school libraries are a huge economic engine (and thus influential - affecting the market, distribution and access methods, how contracts are arranged and purchasing takes place, etc.) - when working together. To sound oversimplified, I think collectively (and working with groups such as yours) we need to start defining the parameters rather than choosing from a prix fixe menu. I've been looking into the differing price models, "distribution," and access methods of "bigs" and "littles," and the ergonomics of media access in general, and our changing conceptualization of "content" in specific (I'm working on a piece tentatively titled "When did my stuff become content?" that deals with the shift from physical to virtual, and how it affects the design and make-up of both worlds) - so any ideas or thoughts you may have on the topic (however "futuristic" or ideal) would be appreciated. As an anecdotal aside, Wayne Gretzky said "A good hockey player plays where the puck is. A great hockey player plays where the puck is going to be." I don't think it's naive to think that we can have a say in directing where media access technology is going to be. best, ben -Original Message- From: Bob Norris To: bmalcze Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 9:37 am Subject: Fwd: videolib Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12 Hi Ben, Nice article. Deg and I had a discussion off line about it. Glad you are broaching the issues. I just wanted to put Film Ideas on your radar. We have been producing educational programming for television and K-16 markets for over 30 years. We have a streaming system and offer streaming rights. The attached document from the National Media Market may help for future reference. Best regards, Bob Robert A. Norris Managing Director Film Ideas, Inc. 308 North Wolf Road Wheeling, IL 60090 Phone: (847) 419-0255 Fax: (847) 419-8933 Email: b...@filmideas.com Web: www.filmideas.com www.FIChannels.com Please print responsibly. Begin forwarded message: From: videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu Date: December 6, 2011 4:56:34 PM CST To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12 Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Send videolib mailing list submissions to videolib@lists.berkeley.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://calmail.berkeley.edu/manage/list/listinfo/videolib@lists.berkeley.edu or, via email, send a message with subject or b
Re: [Videolib] videolib Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12
Ben; It's hard for those of us who don't know you to fully evaluate this: "On this alternative level, even our smaller-midlevel libary annual budget" given the non-existent sig line on your posting as it manifest in my email system. I, as is plainly evident, work for a filthy vendor, so my thoughts are probably suspect when it comes to marketing and market share, but Gary's cautionary note about the relative size of the library segment of the media market is a definite factor in most availability and pricing issues. Mike Tribby Senior Cataloger Quality Books Inc. The Best of America's Independent Presses mailto:mike.tri...@quality-books.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] videolib Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12
What portion of the PL budgets cited are spent for non-amazon titles? squat. Gary > > Sorry, wasn't referring to mass market. > On this alternative level, even our smaller-midlevel libary annual budget > for dvd/media is around 50k - and we'll pay into a 30 library plus > consortium > over 10k for access to ebooks. Compounded nationally, these numbers and > contracts mean something. > > -Original Message- > From: ghandman > To: videolib > Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:23 am > Subject: Re: [Videolib] videolib Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12 > > > Public, academic, and school libraries are a huge economic engine > ...you're kidding, of course? > This market isn't even a fly-speck on the radar compared to general > onsumer sales. And therein lies the problem for libraries in this arena. > The shaping of the market and content delivery are always going to > onform and play up to the latter. Content availability and modes of > elivery basically seek the route of least resistance to the consumer's > ocketbook. "Cultural significance" or the needs of education have nothing > o do with nothing in this mass market. > > ary Handman > > > Thank you Bob - likewise for the doc. > good stuff. > I've been doing this annual article for LJ (and similar efforts with > other > channels) and it is largely a labor of love for me (as i'm sure, > it is for you) - I've been breathing this stuff in well before a > professional outlet became available. > It is my hope that we can use platforms like this to take things from an > at-large awareness level to something practical, effective, and > consolidated. Public, academic, and school libraries are a huge economic > engine (and thus influential - affecting the market, distribution and > access methods, how contracts are arranged and purchasing takes place, > etc.) - when working together. > To sound oversimplified, I think collectively (and working with groups > such as yours) we need to start defining the parameters > rather than choosing from a prix fixe menu. > > I've been looking into the differing price models, "distribution," and > access methods of "bigs" and "littles," and the ergonomics of media > access in > general, and our changing conceptualization of "content" in specific (I'm > working on a piece tentatively titled "When did my stuff become content?" > that deals with the shift from physical to virtual, and how it affects > the > design and make-up of both worlds) - so any ideas or thoughts you may > have > on the topic (however "futuristic" or ideal) would be appreciated. > As an anecdotal aside, Wayne Gretzky said "A good hockey player plays > where the puck is. A great hockey player plays where the puck is going to > be." > I don't think it's naive to think that we can have a say in directing > where media access technology is going to be. > > best, > ben > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Bob Norris > To: bmalcze > Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 9:37 am > Subject: Fwd: videolib Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12 > > > Hi Ben, > > > Nice article. Deg and I had a discussion off line about it. Glad you are > broaching the issues. > > > I just wanted to put Film Ideas on your radar. We have been producing > educational programming for television and K-16 markets for over 30 > years. > We have a streaming system and offer streaming rights. The attached > document from the National Media Market may help for future reference. > > > Best regards, > Bob > > Robert A. Norris > Managing Director > Film Ideas, Inc. > 308 North Wolf Road > Wheeling, IL 60090 > Phone: (847) 419-0255 > Fax: (847) 419-8933 > Email: b...@filmideas.com > Web: www.filmideas.com > www.FIChannels.com > > > Please print responsibly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu > > Date: December 6, 2011 4:56:34 PM CST > > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > > Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12 > > Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > > > Send videolib mailing list submissions to > videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://calmail.berkeley.edu/manage/list/listinfo/videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu > > You can reach the person managing the lis
Re: [Videolib] videolib Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12
Sorry, wasn't referring to mass market. On this alternative level, even our smaller-midlevel libary annual budget for dvd/media is around 50k - and we'll pay into a 30 library plus consortium over 10k for access to ebooks. Compounded nationally, these numbers and contracts mean something. -Original Message- From: ghandman To: videolib Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:23 am Subject: Re: [Videolib] videolib Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12 Public, academic, and school libraries are a huge economic engine ...you're kidding, of course? This market isn't even a fly-speck on the radar compared to general onsumer sales. And therein lies the problem for libraries in this arena. The shaping of the market and content delivery are always going to onform and play up to the latter. Content availability and modes of elivery basically seek the route of least resistance to the consumer's ocketbook. "Cultural significance" or the needs of education have nothing o do with nothing in this mass market. ary Handman Thank you Bob - likewise for the doc. > good stuff. I've been doing this annual article for LJ (and similar efforts with other channels) and it is largely a labor of love for me (as i'm sure, it is for you) - I've been breathing this stuff in well before a professional outlet became available. It is my hope that we can use platforms like this to take things from an at-large awareness level to something practical, effective, and consolidated. Public, academic, and school libraries are a huge economic engine (and thus influential - affecting the market, distribution and access methods, how contracts are arranged and purchasing takes place, etc.) - when working together. To sound oversimplified, I think collectively (and working with groups such as yours) we need to start defining the parameters rather than choosing from a prix fixe menu. I've been looking into the differing price models, "distribution," and access methods of "bigs" and "littles," and the ergonomics of media access in general, and our changing conceptualization of "content" in specific (I'm working on a piece tentatively titled "When did my stuff become content?" that deals with the shift from physical to virtual, and how it affects the design and make-up of both worlds) - so any ideas or thoughts you may have on the topic (however "futuristic" or ideal) would be appreciated. As an anecdotal aside, Wayne Gretzky said "A good hockey player plays where the puck is. A great hockey player plays where the puck is going to be." I don't think it's naive to think that we can have a say in directing where media access technology is going to be. best, ben -Original Message- From: Bob Norris To: bmalcze Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 9:37 am Subject: Fwd: videolib Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12 Hi Ben, Nice article. Deg and I had a discussion off line about it. Glad you are broaching the issues. I just wanted to put Film Ideas on your radar. We have been producing educational programming for television and K-16 markets for over 30 years. We have a streaming system and offer streaming rights. The attached document from the National Media Market may help for future reference. Best regards, Bob Robert A. Norris Managing Director Film Ideas, Inc. 308 North Wolf Road Wheeling, IL 60090 Phone: (847) 419-0255 Fax: (847) 419-8933 Email: b...@filmideas.com Web: www.filmideas.com www.FIChannels.com Please print responsibly. Begin forwarded message: From: videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu Date: December 6, 2011 4:56:34 PM CST To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12 Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Send videolib mailing list submissions to videolib@lists.berkeley.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://calmail.berkeley.edu/manage/list/listinfo/videolib@lists.berkeley.edu or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu You can reach the person managing the list at videolib-ow...@lists.berkeley.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of videolib digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online (bmal...@aol.com) 2. and how could I have forgotten . . . (Maureen Tripp) 3. Re: Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online (Jessica Rosner) 4. Re: Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online (bmal...@aol.com) From: bmal...@aol.com Date: December 6, 2011 3:43:28 PM CST To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.ed
Re: [Videolib] videolib Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12
Public, academic, and school libraries are a huge economic engine ...you're kidding, of course? This market isn't even a fly-speck on the radar compared to general consumer sales. And therein lies the problem for libraries in this arena. The shaping of the market and content delivery are always going to conform and play up to the latter. Content availability and modes of delivery basically seek the route of least resistance to the consumer's pocketbook. "Cultural significance" or the needs of education have nothing to do with nothing in this mass market. Gary Handman > > Thank you Bob - likewise for the doc. > good stuff. > I've been doing this annual article for LJ (and similar efforts with other > channels) and it is largely a labor of love for me (as i'm sure, > it is for you) - I've been breathing this stuff in well before a > professional outlet became available. > It is my hope that we can use platforms like this to take things from an > at-large awareness level to something practical, effective, and > consolidated. Public, academic, and school libraries are a huge economic > engine (and thus influential - affecting the market, distribution and > access methods, how contracts are arranged and purchasing takes place, > etc.) - when working together. > To sound oversimplified, I think collectively (and working with groups > such as yours) we need to start defining the parameters > rather than choosing from a prix fixe menu. > > I've been looking into the differing price models, "distribution," and > access methods of "bigs" and "littles," and the ergonomics of media > access in > general, and our changing conceptualization of "content" in specific (I'm > working on a piece tentatively titled "When did my stuff become content?" > that deals with the shift from physical to virtual, and how it affects the > design and make-up of both worlds) - so any ideas or thoughts you may have > on the topic (however "futuristic" or ideal) would be appreciated. > As an anecdotal aside, Wayne Gretzky said "A good hockey player plays > where the puck is. A great hockey player plays where the puck is going to > be." > I don't think it's naive to think that we can have a say in directing > where media access technology is going to be. > > best, > ben > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Bob Norris > To: bmalcze > Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 9:37 am > Subject: Fwd: videolib Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12 > > > Hi Ben, > > > Nice article. Deg and I had a discussion off line about it. Glad you are > broaching the issues. > > > I just wanted to put Film Ideas on your radar. We have been producing > educational programming for television and K-16 markets for over 30 years. > We have a streaming system and offer streaming rights. The attached > document from the National Media Market may help for future reference. > > > Best regards, > Bob > > Robert A. Norris > Managing Director > Film Ideas, Inc. > 308 North Wolf Road > Wheeling, IL 60090 > Phone: (847) 419-0255 > Fax: (847) 419-8933 > Email: b...@filmideas.com > Web: www.filmideas.com > www.FIChannels.com > > > Please print responsibly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu > > Date: December 6, 2011 4:56:34 PM CST > > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > > Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12 > > Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > > > Send videolib mailing list submissions to > videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://calmail.berkeley.edu/manage/list/listinfo/videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > videolib-ow...@lists.berkeley.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of videolib digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online > (bmal...@aol.com) > 2. and how could I have forgotten . . . (Maureen Tripp) > 3. Re: Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online > (Jessica Rosner) > 4. Re: Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online > (bmal...@aol.com) > > > From: bmal...@aol.com > > Date: December 6, 2011 3:43:28 PM CST > > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Long article on streaming video on Library Journal > online > > Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > > > > > Hi Deg, > > As the author of that piece I wanted to thank you for agreeing with most > of the article (we have that in common), and for also > addressing educational aspects as part of the WHOLE media discussion - it > is certainly an integral part of the picture, was considered as such, and > will hopefully result in future coverage. Frankly, in this format, there > was way too much to talk about. My research took many more factors into > consideration a
Re: [Videolib] videolib Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12
Thank you Bob - likewise for the doc. > good stuff. I've been doing this annual article for LJ (and similar efforts with other channels) and it is largely a labor of love for me (as i'm sure, it is for you) - I've been breathing this stuff in well before a professional outlet became available. It is my hope that we can use platforms like this to take things from an at-large awareness level to something practical, effective, and consolidated. Public, academic, and school libraries are a huge economic engine (and thus influential - affecting the market, distribution and access methods, how contracts are arranged and purchasing takes place, etc.) - when working together. To sound oversimplified, I think collectively (and working with groups such as yours) we need to start defining the parameters rather than choosing from a prix fixe menu. I've been looking into the differing price models, "distribution," and access methods of "bigs" and "littles," and the ergonomics of media access in general, and our changing conceptualization of "content" in specific (I'm working on a piece tentatively titled "When did my stuff become content?" that deals with the shift from physical to virtual, and how it affects the design and make-up of both worlds) - so any ideas or thoughts you may have on the topic (however "futuristic" or ideal) would be appreciated. As an anecdotal aside, Wayne Gretzky said "A good hockey player plays where the puck is. A great hockey player plays where the puck is going to be." I don't think it's naive to think that we can have a say in directing where media access technology is going to be. best, ben -Original Message- From: Bob Norris To: bmalcze Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 9:37 am Subject: Fwd: videolib Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12 Hi Ben, Nice article. Deg and I had a discussion off line about it. Glad you are broaching the issues. I just wanted to put Film Ideas on your radar. We have been producing educational programming for television and K-16 markets for over 30 years. We have a streaming system and offer streaming rights. The attached document from the National Media Market may help for future reference. Best regards, Bob Robert A. Norris Managing Director Film Ideas, Inc. 308 North Wolf Road Wheeling, IL 60090 Phone: (847) 419-0255 Fax: (847) 419-8933 Email: b...@filmideas.com Web: www.filmideas.com www.FIChannels.com Please print responsibly. Begin forwarded message: From: videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu Date: December 6, 2011 4:56:34 PM CST To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 49, Issue 12 Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Send videolib mailing list submissions to videolib@lists.berkeley.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://calmail.berkeley.edu/manage/list/listinfo/videolib@lists.berkeley.edu or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu You can reach the person managing the list at videolib-ow...@lists.berkeley.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of videolib digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online (bmal...@aol.com) 2. and how could I have forgotten . . . (Maureen Tripp) 3. Re: Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online (Jessica Rosner) 4. Re: Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online (bmal...@aol.com) From: bmal...@aol.com Date: December 6, 2011 3:43:28 PM CST To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Long article on streaming video on Library Journal online Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Hi Deg, As the author of that piece I wanted to thank you for agreeing with most of the article (we have that in common), and for also addressing educational aspects as part of the WHOLE media discussion - it is certainly an integral part of the picture, was considered as such, and will hopefully result in future coverage. Frankly, in this format, there was way too much to talk about. My research took many more factors into consideration and along those lines I easily could've added 5k more words of coverage, this, plus the fact that the topic is/was so much "in active development" due to constantly changing "this just in" information it often felt as though i was reporting on where a clock's second hand has been 5 minutes ago. So you go with what you can and attempt to put it and its context into perspective as best you can - even though there is always the fear that such live information might leap directly from your monitor into a bin of irrelevancy. The intent of this piece was more for, as you mentioned, entertainment purposes with a mind towards establishing base level education of how things work so that we might encourage and nurture elaboration on many different levels. This wasn't to slight.
