RE: Modern Notation of Five-Course Lit.
Stanley, I can see the attraction of, say, a Mel Bay edition (Stanley Yates Series, of course!) of important works such as the Bartolotti - setting aside my reservations about playing this stuff on a modern classical guitar (better on a 12-string guitar...). So I'll try to clarify my thoughts. We agree that different sets of people require different things. I don't think parallel staves of tab and notation will help much - not only, as you say, would it double the size of the volume, but most guitarists don't read French or Italian tablature. For the majority of players it would just get in the way. I think you would have to wear a rather prominent Editor's hat, make some decisions (detailed in a scholarly intro - the kind you are so good at) and make one workable solution. I don't think you can please all the people all the time. Maybe have the facsimiles in reduced print in an appendix? Can you upload an example page of your small noteheads idea, for comments? Regarding alfabeto: it is OK if you give guitarists an interpretative guide, encouraging them to experiment with different strumming patterns. I fear most will just play exactly what you transcribe, and the essence of a certain degree of improv will be lost. Sorry, Stanley, I am struggling here because I just can't 'hear' this stuff on a modern classical guitar. Prove me wrong! ;-) Rob To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Tarantella for r-guitar or b-guitar?
To Arto: I support your interest in the Tarantella dance!! If you would like to hear some interesting and compelling interpretations of many tarantellas, accompanied by some very informative and fascinating reading (and photos!) in the printed notes, check out the CD performed by Marco Beasley with L'Arpeggiata. The CD is titled "La Tarantella". There is a mixed alfabeto tarantella in the Salvidar Codice of Santiago de Murcia (was recorded by Paul O'Dette some years ago). Kenneth -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
new list for historical citterns
Dear Vihuela List, I want to invite those of you who might be interested to join a new list for discussing historical citterns and their music. This will not be a forum for discussing Celtic music and the modern mando-family of instruments used to play it (commonly known as CBOMs), but rather a forum for instruments such as the Renaissance cittern, its variants, ancestors and progeny, the so-called English guittar (a.k.a. Scottish guitar, 18th-cen. cittern), the more-or-less indigenous citterns such as those found in Portugal, Corsica, Switzerland, Germany, Sweden, North Africa, etc., and that ilk. There will certainly be some overlapping interests between this list and the new one, but the latter will have a different focus. As usual, to subscribe, send an empty email with the word "subscribe" in the subject line to [EMAIL PROTECTED] We're just starting, so don't expect too much mail just yet. Thanks to Wayne for setting up the list, Doc Rossi Via Secchi 40 42100 Reggio Emilia (RE) Italy http://www.magnatune.com/artists/docrossi tel: (+39) 0522 43 43 95 cell: (+39) 348 8000 572 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Tarantella for r-guitar or b-guitar?
Dear "flat-back-lutenists", do I get it right? This list is meant for vihuela players, renaissance guitar players, baroque guitar players, and such? So, to the "flat-back-lutenists"? ;-) If I am right in that, I would like to start a discussion and gather a list of all the "Tarantella", or such, named pieces for "flat-backs". I guess there is none to vihuela, many to b-guitar, perhaps some to chitarrino (=renaissance guitar=4 course guitar). And alfabeto works for both, too! So send your lists and links of the pdf's and ps's to the list, please. :) BTW; If I have got ir right, RT seems to be kind of aracnophobic. So I suggest him a look to one of my pets for ex. in the page http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/Tarantula/hh0303/111-1118_IMG.html All in all, a kind of explanation to my interest in Tarantella dances is that I have some Tarantula pets! Nice and interesting animals! See my page http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/Tarantula/ All the (perhaps interesting! I hope so! ;-) texts are in Finnish only, Sorry for that! But I guess RT will manage with that too? He seems to be talented person, anyway? ;-))) Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Ensemble music with Vihuela
In a message dated 3/1/2005 11:20:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, I have 4 Chambuire copies. Phil Rukavina & I perform all the Valderrabano duets, and just this afternoon I am rehearsing with 4 players, reading through some constructed quartets for vihuelas in F, G, Bb, and C. We are rehearsing the 6 pavans of Milan, and they are _not_ quiet. Let me take this opportunity to tell readers of this list that Duo Chambure's (Ed Martin and Phil Rukavina) recently released CD from Magnatune performed on the set of amazing matched instruments by Dan Larson copied from the Paris "Chambure" vihuela, featuring ALL of the Valderrabano duets from his Libro IV is a wonderful wonderful recording, not to be missed by any. The balance and intonation are excellent, the performances are never "dry", and the phrasings are always interesting and dynamic throughout. I recommend this CD, "The Vihuela Duets of Enriquez de Valderrabano", which can be downloaded from Magnatune, to all who are interested in expanding their exposure to the early plucked instrument duet repertoire. Kenneth Be -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Ensemble music with Vihuela
Thomas: If you can find the recording "O Dolce Vita" of Tragicomedia with the King's Singers you can hear the vihuela used very effectively and audibly in the ensemble setting in the hands of Stephen Stubbs. Kenneth -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Ensemble music with Vihuela
It all depends on the instrument and how you are playing it. My Vihuela is quite loud (I own a very speculative model). I think the instrument works well in ensembles and - just guessing: if there is an instrument which was used to accompany singing there should also be other music - I cannot believe the musical live in the spain of the 16th century was only made by singers and vihuelanistas ... Thomas Am Dienstag, 1. März 2005 17:10 schrieben Sie: > >>> "Vihuela is too soft to be used in ensembles..." > > > > Since the vihuela is used in modern ensembles all the time, you must be > > speculating about how the vihuela was used in the Renaissance. > > I've also heard Lislevand with Hesperion. Rolf was inaudible to the 4th > row. RT -- Thomas Schall Niederhofheimer Weg 3 D-65843 Sulzbach 06196/74519 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: MO
>>> Why don't we all leave this list? Seriously, I really can do without > this >>> nonsense. I'm thinking of folding it completely. I don't want to be >>> responsible for creating more space in the cyberworld where we can flex > our >>> egotsistic muscles. >>> >>> So, fellow subscribers, do you want this list or not? >> >> I suppose it depends on whether we're going to have a major upheaval every >> time someone signs off. >> >> Howard Posner > > That's exactly the point. People can't even leave the list peacefully, > without creating such upheavals (rather aimed at preserving one's own sense > of ego it creates only havoc for others I suppose). > If one's decided to leave, sign off, just do it and let others benefit from > the exchange. > .. ... ... > But do keep an eye on the archives ... in an "anonymous surfer" way ;-] > > Alexander Batov I am reminded of 1939 Russian film "Cinderella". In it the King attempts to abdicate after every disagreeable turn of events, but has no intention of really leaving. RT http://polyhymnion.org ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 120MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: MO
- Original Message - From: "Howard Posner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'vihuela'" Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Re: MO > wrote: > > > Why don't we all leave this list? Seriously, I really can do without this > > nonsense. I'm thinking of folding it completely. I don't want to be > > responsible for creating more space in the cyberworld where we can flex our > > egotsistic muscles. > > > > So, fellow subscribers, do you want this list or not? > > I suppose it depends on whether we're going to have a major upheaval every > time someone signs off. > > Howard Posner That's exactly the point. People can't even leave the list peacefully, without creating such upheavals (rather aimed at preserving one's own sense of ego it creates only havoc for others I suppose). If one's decided to leave, sign off, just do it and let others benefit from the exchange. .. ... ... But do keep an eye on the archives ... in an "anonymous surfer" way ;-] Alexander Batov To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Ensemble music with Vihuela
Yes, I have 4 Chambuire copies. Phil Rukavina & I perform all the Valderrabano duets, and just this afternoon I am rehearsing with 4 players, reading through some constructed quartets for vihuelas in F, G, Bb, and C. We are rehearsing the 6 pavans of Milan, and they are _not_ quiet. ed At 05:12 PM 3/1/2005 +0100, Are Vidar Boye Hansen wrote: > > Perhaps he plays the theorbo too softly; a not uncommon > fault > >No he doesn't! > >Anyway. Lourdes Uncilla-Moreno seems to have a reputation for building >powerful instruments. But of course Eugene is right, we can't know exactly >how powerful the vihuelas where. Have anyone heard a Chambure vihuela in >an ensemble? > > >mvh >Are > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
Re: Ensemble music with Vihuela
> Perhaps he plays the theorbo too softly; a not uncommon > fault No he doesn't! Anyway. Lourdes Uncilla-Moreno seems to have a reputation for building powerful instruments. But of course Eugene is right, we can't know exactly how powerful the vihuelas where. Have anyone heard a Chambure vihuela in an ensemble? mvh Are To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Ensemble music with Vihuela
At 10:30 AM 3/1/2005, Are Vidar Boye Hansen wrote: >I have of course heard both his theorbo and his vihuela live on several >occasions, and I can guarantee you all that his vihuela is louder. You >will probably hear from the recording that his vihuela has a tremendous >attack, which makes it penetrate easily through large ensembles. However, there is precious little evidence to determine what a "real" 16th-c. vihuela might have sounded like. Discounting the speculative, modified, and/or evidently purely decorative, the number of instruments to have survived as vihuela da mano doesn't even equal the number of my thumbs...depending on one's opinion of the "Chambure" vihuela, it might even equal a grand total of zero! Owain Phyfe of the New World Rennaissance Band plays a modern, wire-strung guitar built to roughly ape the Jacquemart -Andre vihuela and refers to it as a "chittara battente" when asked. This has as much precedence as most reproduction vihuelas that aren't patterned after the Chambure instrument. This is not to slight the whole concept of vihuela. I love the rep and own a very speculative anonymous ca. 1970 instrument badly patterned solely after iconography...but I will never make the claim that mine represents the sound of the 16th-c. vihuela. ...And mine is rather quiet. Eugene -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Ensemble music with Vihuela
Perhaps he plays the theorbo too softly; a not uncommon fault Are Vidar Boye Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have of course heard both his theorbo and his vihuela live on several occasions, and I can guarantee you all that his vihuela is louder. You will probably hear from the recording that his vihuela has a tremendous attack, which makes it penetrate easily through large ensembles. mvh Are > Nice, but there was no theorbo for comparison, not to mention that this is a > recording, which is not a good measurement tool of instrumental volume. > RT > > http://polyhymnion.org > > >>> "Vihuela is too soft to be used in ensembles..." > >>> > >>> What are the known historic parameters of the vihuela that determine that > >>> it > >>> MUST be soft? > >>> > >>> David Cameron > >> So far the vihuela industry has not produced a loud variety. So the > >> situations remains as it is, until this happens. > >> RT > > > > The vihuela industry most certainly has! Norwegian lutenist Thomas Boysen > > plays a vihuela by Lourdes Uncilla-Moreno which is actually louder than > > his theorbo, and his theorbo is certainly not soft... You can listen to > > two examples here: > > > > http://www.thomasboysen.de/i_arbeid.html > > > > > > mvh > > Are Vidar Hansen > > > > ___ > $0 Web Hosting with up to 120MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer > 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. > Signup at www.doteasy.com > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --
Re: Ensemble music with Vihuela
Perhaps he plays the theorbo too softly; a not uncommon fault Are Vidar Boye Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have of course heard both his theorbo and his vihuela live on several occasions, and I can guarantee you all that his vihuela is louder. You will probably hear from the recording that his vihuela has a tremendous attack, which makes it penetrate easily through large ensembles. mvh Are > Nice, but there was no theorbo for comparison, not to mention that this is a > recording, which is not a good measurement tool of instrumental volume. > RT > > http://polyhymnion.org > > >>> "Vihuela is too soft to be used in ensembles..." > >>> > >>> What are the known historic parameters of the vihuela that determine that > >>> it > >>> MUST be soft? > >>> > >>> David Cameron > >> So far the vihuela industry has not produced a loud variety. So the > >> situations remains as it is, until this happens. > >> RT > > > > The vihuela industry most certainly has! Norwegian lutenist Thomas Boysen > > plays a vihuela by Lourdes Uncilla-Moreno which is actually louder than > > his theorbo, and his theorbo is certainly not soft... You can listen to > > two examples here: > > > > http://www.thomasboysen.de/i_arbeid.html > > > > > > mvh > > Are Vidar Hansen > > > > ___ > $0 Web Hosting with up to 120MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer > 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. > Signup at www.doteasy.com > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --
Re: Ensemble music with Vihuela
>>> "Vihuela is too soft to be used in ensembles..." > > Since the vihuela is used in modern ensembles all the time, you must be > speculating about how the vihuela was used in the Renaissance. I've also heard Lislevand with Hesperion. Rolf was inaudible to the 4th row. RT -- http://polyhymnion.org/adc To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Ensemble music with Vihuela
> I have of course heard both his theorbo and his vihuela live on several > occasions, and I can guarantee you all that his vihuela is louder. You I trust your opinion, but > will probably hear from the recording that his vihuela has a tremendous > attack, which makes it penetrate easily through large ensembles. The recordings do not have an ensemble to penetrate, sorry. Gutår, RT -- http://polyhymnion.org/torban To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Ensemble music with Vihuela
Roman Turovsky wrote: >> "Vihuela is too soft to be used in ensembles..." Since the vihuela is used in modern ensembles all the time, you must be speculating about how the vihuela was used in the Renaissance. Is there some reason to believe it was any softer than the lute, which was used in ensembles all the time? The vihuela was loud enough to supply polyphonic accompaniment for singers, in a manner roughly equivalent to the way the lute was used. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Ensemble music with Vihuela
I have of course heard both his theorbo and his vihuela live on several occasions, and I can guarantee you all that his vihuela is louder. You will probably hear from the recording that his vihuela has a tremendous attack, which makes it penetrate easily through large ensembles. mvh Are > Nice, but there was no theorbo for comparison, not to mention that this is a > recording, which is not a good measurement tool of instrumental volume. > RT > > http://polyhymnion.org > > >>> "Vihuela is too soft to be used in ensembles..." > >>> > >>> What are the known historic parameters of the vihuela that determine that > >>> it > >>> MUST be soft? > >>> > >>> David Cameron > >> So far the vihuela industry has not produced a loud variety. So the > >> situations remains as it is, until this happens. > >> RT > > > > The vihuela industry most certainly has! Norwegian lutenist Thomas Boysen > > plays a vihuela by Lourdes Uncilla-Moreno which is actually louder than > > his theorbo, and his theorbo is certainly not soft... You can listen to > > two examples here: > > > > http://www.thomasboysen.de/i_arbeid.html > > > > > > mvh > > Are Vidar Hansen > > > > ___ > $0 Web Hosting with up to 120MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer > 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. > Signup at www.doteasy.com > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
Re: Ensemble music with Vihuela
Nice, but there was no theorbo for comparison, not to mention that this is a recording, which is not a good measurement tool of instrumental volume. RT http://polyhymnion.org >>> "Vihuela is too soft to be used in ensembles..." >>> >>> What are the known historic parameters of the vihuela that determine that it >>> MUST be soft? >>> >>> David Cameron >> So far the vihuela industry has not produced a loud variety. So the >> situations remains as it is, until this happens. >> RT > > The vihuela industry most certainly has! Norwegian lutenist Thomas Boysen > plays a vihuela by Lourdes Uncilla-Moreno which is actually louder than > his theorbo, and his theorbo is certainly not soft... You can listen to > two examples here: > > http://www.thomasboysen.de/i_arbeid.html > > > mvh > Are Vidar Hansen ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 120MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: MO
wrote: > Why don't we all leave this list? Seriously, I really can do without this > nonsense. I'm thinking of folding it completely. I don't want to be > responsible for creating more space in the cyberworld where we can flex our > egotsistic muscles. > > So, fellow subscribers, do you want this list or not? I suppose it depends on whether we're going to have a major upheaval every time someone signs off. Howard Posner To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Ensemble music with Vihuela
> > RT wrote: > > > > "Vihuela is too soft to be used in ensembles..." > > > > What are the known historic parameters of the vihuela that determine that it > > MUST be soft? > > > > David Cameron > So far the vihuela industry has not produced a loud variety. So the > situations remains as it is, until this happens. > RT The vihuela industry most certainly has! Norwegian lutenist Thomas Boysen plays a vihuela by Lourdes Uncilla-Moreno which is actually louder than his theorbo, and his theorbo is certainly not soft... You can listen to two examples here: http://www.thomasboysen.de/i_arbeid.html mvh Are Vidar Hansen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Ensemble music with Vihuela
> RT wrote: > > "Vihuela is too soft to be used in ensembles..." > > What are the known historic parameters of the vihuela that determine that it > MUST be soft? > David Cameron I would suspect its historic parameters to be similar to clavichord's. RT -- http://polyhymnion.org/adc ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 120MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Ensemble music with Vihuela
> RT wrote: > > "Vihuela is too soft to be used in ensembles..." > > What are the known historic parameters of the vihuela that determine that it > MUST be soft? > > David Cameron So far the vihuela industry has not produced a loud variety. So the situations remains as it is, until this happens. RT -- http://polyhymnion.org/adc > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 120MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com
Re: Ensemble music with Vihuela
RT wrote: "Vihuela is too soft to be used in ensembles..." What are the known historic parameters of the vihuela that determine that it MUST be soft? David Cameron To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Modern Notation of Five-Course Lit.
- Original Message - From: Sal Salvaggio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, February 28, 2005 8:31 pm Subject: Re: Modern Notation of Five-Course Lit. > Robert Strizitch (sp) did a book of transcribed > DeVisee back in the 1970's. My recollection- been > about 5 years since I've seen the book- is that he > used a lot of circled numbers for the strings. > Difficult to look at and play on the baroque guitar > though. ..Difficult to look at and play on any guitar. He recommended removing the A and restringing with an a. He notated the a at 5 in its true pitch, but often provided no indication of what notes were to be played along 5 and what were to be played on more treble-ward strings. Fingering on the fly from this edition was not easy. It required a good bit of contemplation to interpret chords. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE: MO
Rob Keep the list going! I find the exchanges rather stimulating. One can always skip over subjects that one wants to ignore. Which reminds me, I've got to empty the old recycle bin. SS __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: MO
To the list: Please remember, too, that there are many like me who are silent readers most of the time who, late at night at the end of a long busy day at work, relish the chance to read others' opinions on the often arcane but relevant points and issues on matters of instruments, stringing, repertoire, performance practice and interpretation. I don't frequently make postings but benefit hugely from the chance to read the frequently colorful conversations that go on. And when I go back to my chair and music stand and take up my vihuela or lute, somehow all the conversation that I've read in cyberspace can make all the difference, whether it is a matter of knowing another version of a work or else just keeping in mind the contrasting points of view on the performance of a phrase or issues on tuning. So, I like staying on as a subscriber to all the lute-related lists and I like the variety of postings and contributers, too! Kenneth Be Cleveland, OH -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: MO
> These temper tantrums crop up from time to time. > > Actually I often sign 0ff from lists temporarily if I am busy or on holiday > and then sign 0n again with out comment. Not to mention that Wayne's robot drops people from time to time during various network troubles. RT -- http://polyhymnion.org/torban To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: MO
Dear Rob I am sure we all really want this list and are very grateful to you for setting it up. Please don't get depressed! These temper tantrums crop up from time to time. Actually I often sign off from lists temporarily if I am busy or on holiday and then sign on again with out comment. The best thing would be if we didn't reveal whether we were on or off it. But perhaps that is not "netiquet"? Best wishes Monica - Original Message - From: Rob MacKillop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'vihuela' Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 7:46 AM Subject: RE: MO > Oh dear. How sad. Are we so incapable of conversing in a civil manner? What > a pathetic bunch we are. I created this unmoderated list so that we could > all come together and contribute in various degrees to our greater > understanding. Obviously I was being too idealistic, and human nature is far > more negative than I was willing to give it credit for. > > Why don't we all leave this list? Seriously, I really can do without this > nonsense. I'm thinking of folding it completely. I don't want to be > responsible for creating more space in the cyberworld where we can flex our > egotsistic muscles. > > So, fellow subscribers, do you want this list or not? Speak up... > > Rob MacKillop > > -Original Message- > From: Antonio Corona [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 01 March 2005 04:44 > To: vihuela > Subject: Re: MO > > Dear all, > > I don´t know how such a situation may have arised, but one fact is perfectly > clear to me: in a list devoted to communicate and share, either all of us - > even those we disagree with - have a place, or there is no point in pursuing > what may become a futile exercice. > > I have often read Matanya's comments, have been irritated with some, > disagreed with others, but I must recognize that he is indeeed knowledgable > and has always contributed positively with his knowledge to the list. > > I feel that a place where such a person cannot find the space to interchange > information, opinions or even -on occasion- insults, for whatever reason, is > not a place for me either, so regretfully, I shall leave this list as well. > > With best regards, > Antonio > > > > > --- Rob MacKillop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Matanya has now left the list. > > > > It is not a question of who is right or who is wrong. It is a matter > > of sharing. That concept is clearly lost on some people. > > > > Sad. > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > > > >
Re: Moderation and Sharing.
The Editio Violae edition is preferable because it includes a facsimile of the original. Monica - Original Message - From: Garry Bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'Monica Hall' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: 'vihuela' Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 4:23 PM Subject: RE: Moderation and Sharing. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Monica Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:45 AM > > To: Garry Bryan > > Cc: vihuela > > Subject: Re: Moderation and Sharing. > > > > There have actually been two modern editions of Ramillete de Flores. > > > > One edited by Javier Hinojosa and published by Editio Violae in Zurich has a > > facsimile of the ms. and tablature transcription. The other, edited by Juan > > Jose Rey is published by Editorial Alpuerto in Madrid has tablature > > transcription and staff notation version for guitar. I don't know whether > > either is still in print. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Monica > > > > > Dear Monica, > > Thanks so much for the information. I'll try to find out if either is still in > print and if I'm successful, I'll pass the information back to the list. > In your opinion, was the quality of one edition superior to the other? > > All the best, > > Garry > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
Re: MO
>Why don't we all leave this list? Seriously, I really can do without this >nonsense. I'm thinking of folding it completely. > I guess you are not in the position to do that? It's our list. >I don't want to be >responsible for creating more space in the cyberworld where we can flex our >egotsistic muscles. > >So, fellow subscribers, do you want this list or not? Speak up... > > Lists are the real world. The combattants almost never stay away forever. Too curious, I suppose. L. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
