[VIHUELA] Re: some Ulm mandore pieces
Hi Chris, I think you're too modest about the clarity of texture you achieve, but I agree that tablature can be an excellent type of notation; much more useful than we moderns expect. Best, Jocelyn On 1/16/2011 4:09 AM, Chris Despopoulos [1]despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks for the encouragement. I'll say that if you can hear distinct voices in the mandore, blame the composer. The logic of his compositions, and the way he implies continuity in the voices when the plectrum can't carry it explicitly is pure genius. The tablature indicates everything -- up and down strokes are particularly important. You could almost imagine an elaborate wind-up machine controlled by the instructions and successfully playing this stuff, it's that logical. Cheers cud __ From: Nelson, Jocelyn [2]nels...@ecu.edu To: Chris Despopoulos [3]despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com; Stuart Walsh [4]s.wa...@ntlworld.com Cc: Vihuelalist [5]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, January 14, 2011 7:26:28 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: some Ulm mandore pieces I enjoyed this, Chris. The voices in the Chancy pieces are clear and distinct from each other, and it's kind of amazing you were able to this with a plectrum. So I think you do show the depth in these little pieces. Chancy's an interesting composer. And I like your strums in the Sanz! Thanks for posting and sending the link. Best, Jocelyn From: Chris Despopoulos [[1][6]despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:39 PM To: Stuart Walsh; Nelson, Jocelyn Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: some Ulm mandore pieces Always one to toot my own horn (or pluck my own strings, as it were), I have posted some recordings on my personal site at: [2][7]http://cudspan.net/baroque/ Two tracks are some old recordings I did on the mandore, and three others are on the baroque guitar... I keep meaning to do better, but where's the time? Anyway, the mandore recordings are of Chancy's Suite #5, and 3 of his series of 6 branles. The tablatures are for a 4-string instrument, and as I understand it, to be played with a plectrum. At least that's what I was taught by Didier Le Roux and other members of l'Ensemble Gabriel Leone (I was *very* fortunate to attend a class that reviewed the mandolin. I never made it past the mandore.) In spite of being played with a plectrum, the Chancy music is full of hidden polyphony. For the miniature qualities it has on the surface, I believe the music is vast in scope... if only I could reveal a fraction of its depth and breadth I'd be happy. Anyway, for your enjoyment... Vive le mandore! cheers cud From: Stuart Walsh [3][8]s.wa...@ntlworld.com To: Nelson, Jocelyn [4][9]nels...@ecu.edu Cc: Vihuelalist [5][10]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu; Chris Despopoulos [6][11]despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 11:52:10 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: some Ulm mandore pieces On 12/01/2011 16:35, Nelson, Jocelyn wrote: Certainly nothing wrong with dances and ballad tunes, as you demonstrate. Is the tuning similar to the 4-course? I'm not familiar with mandore literature, and now I'm looking forward to learning more about it. JN Jean-Marie Poirier has a site devoted to the instrument. [7][12]http://le.luth.free.fr/mandore/index.html It's French, of course but there is a pdf of an article by the late James Tyler from Early Music. Donald Gill and James Tyler have both tried to promote the mandore (and the mandolino) and have both written about them. Supposing a tuning with top d (it might be g - or something else) then a four-course tuning would be g-d-g-d (or g-d-g'-d' or maybe I mean d'', but you get the point!). And a five course instrument would be d-g-d-g-d. But on both four and five-course instruments the top course could be lowered to c, b flat etc. Also the Skene MS has a section of pieces in lute tuning. Stuart On 1/11/2011 2:34 PM, Stuart Walsh[8][13]s.wa...@ntlworld.com[14]mailto:[9]s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 11/01/2011 01:48, Nelson, Jocelyn wrote: I really enjoyed this, Stuart. Thanks for posting! Best, Jocelyn
[VIHUELA] Re: some Ulm mandore pieces
Yes, but I was also getting at the logic of his composition. He takes your right hand and moves it around in ways that you would never expect. And he breaks the voices up in ways that do really hide the polyphony... but reveal it at the same time. It's sort of like a painting that suggest the form more than explicitly outlines it. If you look at it in a certain way, you see it like a photograph. A different way of seeing reduces it to loosely connected calligraphy. It's truly amazing stuff, and I can't pretend I understand it. But I like it! cud __ From: Nelson, Jocelyn nels...@ecu.edu To: Chris Despopoulos despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com; Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 11:43:16 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: some Ulm mandore pieces Hi Chris, I think you're too modest about the clarity of texture you achieve, but I agree that tablature can be an excellent type of notation; much more useful than we moderns expect. Best, Jocelyn On 1/16/2011 4:09 AM, Chris Despopoulos [1][1]despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks for the encouragement. I'll say that if you can hear distinct voices in the mandore, blame the composer. The logic of his compositions, and the way he implies continuity in the voices when the plectrum can't carry it explicitly is pure genius. The tablature indicates everything -- up and down strokes are particularly important. You could almost imagine an elaborate wind-up machine controlled by the instructions and successfully playing this stuff, it's that logical. Cheerscud __ From: Nelson, Jocelyn [2][2]nels...@ecu.edu To: Chris Despopoulos [3][3]despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com; Stuart Walsh [4][4]s.wa...@ntlworld.com Cc: Vihuelalist [5][5]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, January 14, 2011 7:26:28 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: some Ulm mandore pieces I enjoyed this, Chris. The voices in the Chancy pieces are clear and distinct from each other, and it's kind of amazing you were able to this with a plectrum. So I think you do show the depth in these little pieces. Chancy's an interesting composer. And I like your strums in the Sanz! Thanks for posting and sending the link. Best, Jocelyn From: Chris Despopoulos [[1][6][6]despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:39 PM To: Stuart Walsh; Nelson, Jocelyn Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: some Ulm mandore pieces Always one to toot my own horn (or pluck my own strings, as it were), I have posted some recordings on my personal site at: [2][7][7]http://cudspan.net/baroque/ Two tracks are some old recordings I did on the mandore, and three others are on the baroque guitar... I keep meaning to do better, but where's the time? Anyway, the mandore recordings are of Chancy's Suite #5, and 3 of his series of 6 branles. The tablatures are for a 4-string instrument, and as I understand it, to be played with a plectrum. At least that's what I was taught by Didier Le Roux and other members of l'Ensemble Gabriel Leone (I was *very* fortunate to attend a class that reviewed the mandolin. I never made it past the mandore.) In spite of being played with a plectrum, the Chancy music is full of hidden polyphony. For the miniature qualities it has on the surface, I believe the music is vast in scope... if only I could reveal a fraction of its depth and breadth I'd be happy. Anyway, for your enjoyment... Vive le mandore! cheers cud From: Stuart Walsh [3][8][8]s.wa...@ntlworld.com To: Nelson, Jocelyn [4][9][9]nels...@ecu.edu Cc: Vihuelalist [5][10][10]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu; Chris Despopoulos [6][11][11]despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 11:52:10 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: some Ulm mandore pieces On 12/01/2011 16:35, Nelson, Jocelyn wrote: Certainly nothing wrong with dances and ballad tunes, as you demonstrate. Is the tuning similar to the 4-course? I'm not familiar with mandore literature, and now I'm looking forward to learning more
[VIHUELA] Re: James Tyler
UPS just delivered the book that I had pre-ordered through Amazon.com: A Guide to Playing the Baroque Guitar by James Tyler [1]http://www.amazon.com/Playing-Baroque-Guitar-Publications-Institute/ dp/0253222893/ref=sr_1_1/179-9381492-8216226?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=129528 8097sr=8-1 It was released ahead of schedule and is in stock and shipping now. -- References 1. http://www.amazon.com/Playing-Baroque-Guitar-Publications-Institute/dp/0253222893/ref=sr_1_1/179-9381492-8216226?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1295288097sr=8-1 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: James Tyler
That's interesting. Are you in the USA? My order is still showing estimated release date as 31st March. Monica - Original Message - From: [1]Azalais To: [2]Monica Hall Cc: [3]Vihuelalist Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: James Tyler UPS just delivered the book that I had pre-ordered through Amazon.com: A Guide to Playing the Baroque Guitar by James Tyler [4]http://www.amazon.com/Playing-Baroque-Guitar-Publications-Institu te/dp/0253222893/ref=sr_1_1/179-9381492-8216226?ie=UTF8s=booksqid= 1295288097sr=8-1 It was released ahead of schedule and is in stock and shipping now. -- References 1. mailto:azal...@gmail.com 2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.amazon.com/Playing-Baroque-Guitar-Publications-Institute/dp/0253222893/ref=sr_1_1/179-9381492-8216226?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1295288097sr=8-1 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: James Tyler
Yes, I am in Florida. I was quite surprised when it showed up! On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Monica Hall [1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: That's interesting. Are you in the USA? My order is still showing estimated release date as 31st March. Monica - Original Message - From: [1]Azalais To: [2]Monica Hall Cc: [3]Vihuelalist Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: James Tyler UPS just delivered the book that I had pre-ordered through Amazon.com: A Guide to Playing the Baroque Guitar by James Tyler [4][2]http://www.amazon.com/Playing-Baroque-Guitar-Publications-Inst itu te/dp/0253222893/ref=sr_1_1/179-9381492-8216226?ie=UTF8s=booksqid= 1295288097sr=8-1 It was released ahead of schedule and is in stock and shipping now. -- References 1. mailto:[3]azal...@gmail.com 2. mailto:[4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. mailto:[5]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. [6]http://www.amazon.com/Playing-Baroque-Guitar-Publications-Institute/ dp/0253222893/ref=sr_1_1/179-9381492-8216226?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=129528 8097sr=8-1 To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 2. http://www.amazon.com/Playing-Baroque-Guitar-Publications-Institu 3. mailto:azal...@gmail.com 4. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 5. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.amazon.com/Playing-Baroque-Guitar-Publications-Institute/dp/0253222893/ref=sr_1_1/179-9381492-8216226?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1295288097sr=8-1 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: James Tyler
It's published by Indiana University Press. - Original Message - From: Azalais azal...@gmail.com To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 4:33 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: James Tyler Yes, I am in Florida. I was quite surprised when it showed up! On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Monica Hall [1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: That's interesting. Are you in the USA? My order is still showing estimated release date as 31st March. Monica - Original Message - From: [1]Azalais To: [2]Monica Hall Cc: [3]Vihuelalist Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: James Tyler UPS just delivered the book that I had pre-ordered through Amazon.com: A Guide to Playing the Baroque Guitar by James Tyler [4][2]http://www.amazon.com/Playing-Baroque-Guitar-Publications-Inst itu te/dp/0253222893/ref=sr_1_1/179-9381492-8216226?ie=UTF8s=booksqid= 1295288097sr=8-1 It was released ahead of schedule and is in stock and shipping now. -- References 1. mailto:[3]azal...@gmail.com 2. mailto:[4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. mailto:[5]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. [6]http://www.amazon.com/Playing-Baroque-Guitar-Publications-Institute/ dp/0253222893/ref=sr_1_1/179-9381492-8216226?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=129528 8097sr=8-1 To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 2. http://www.amazon.com/Playing-Baroque-Guitar-Publications-Institu 3. mailto:azal...@gmail.com 4. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 5. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.amazon.com/Playing-Baroque-Guitar-Publications-Institute/dp/0253222893/ref=sr_1_1/179-9381492-8216226?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1295288097sr=8-1 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
