[VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit
Thanks for this Lex. I thought I'd said: if a paper is presented at a conference, thus giving it something of an aura of authority, then if not peer appraised/reviewed (which isn't always possible or practicable) it ought to be made generally available. Preferably in full or at least in synopsis (both methods adopted by the Lute Society for example). You'll see from what Jelma writes that, other than the recent articles in Early Music, this isn't the case with papers presented at the 'Summit'. regards, Martyn __ From: Lex Eisenhardt To: Vihuelalist Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 15:37 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit What would you do about it? No more talks at Lute or Guitar meetings, unless approved by the musicological authorities? -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: woensdag 25 juni 2014 15:27 Aan: Jelma van Amersfoort CC: Monica Hall; Vihuelalist Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Thanks for this Jelma, However I really didn't suggest that ANY paper presented at the 'Summit' would always automatically transform speculation (or even mere personal assertion) into generally accepted fact, but that some speculation/assertion presented in the past has, indeed, been transformed into widely believed practice by some players. Without the possibility of critical appraisal (through being generally available) the same can happen to any of the pet theories floated at the 'Summit' or, indeed, any other such fora. Two striking examples will suffice: - the use of thumb-under on the lute which became de rigueur for decades (and still persists in some circles) and is only recently being seen as an appropriate technique mostly for certain early lute music; - the use of a high octave on the third course of the 5 course 'baroque' guitar - a practice for which there is no historical evidence. In short, whilst like you I welcome the 'integration of guitar research into mainstream musicology' I'm a bit less willing to accept thoeries which are not able to be subject to some sort of critical review/appraisal by being openly published or otherwise made available. This is not, of course, the case with the few articles in the recent guitar centred editions of Early Music, some of which you tell me first appeared at one of these 'Summits'. Martyn __ From: Jelma van Amersfoort <[3]jel...@gmail.com> To: Martyn Hodgson <[4]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: Monica Hall <[5]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>; Vihuelalist <[6]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 10:18 Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit I don't know, Martyn. Generally, any paper being presented at any conference or festival does not turn into generally accepted fact, does it? If there is such a thing as 'fact' in historical research :-) I certainly attend these things with a healthy dose of scepticism. However, I think the tentative integration of guitar research into mainstream musicology that we see happening these days is a good thing. Jelma On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Martyn Hodgson <[1][7]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Well yes... though if papers are presented, but not disseminated by the 'Summit' and/or are not peer reviewed is there not the problem (alas too common) of mere speculation being transformed into generally accepted fact? Martyn __ From: Monica Hall <[2][8]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> To: "Braig, Eugene" <[3][9]brai...@osu.edu> Cc: Vihuelalist <[4][10]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 7:08 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit That sums it up very nicely. Both the list and the Lake Konstanz meeting were opportunities for guitar enthusiasts to get together to discuss their interests. No need for any peer reviewing or the like. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1][5][11]brai...@osu.edu> To: "Vihuela Dmth" <[2][6][12]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit > The word " s u b s c r i b e r " ended up robot flagging my last note for > redirection. Here it is again with the offending word deleted. > > E > > >
[VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit
What would you do about it? No more talks at Lute or Guitar meetings, unless approved by the musicological authorities? -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: woensdag 25 juni 2014 15:27 Aan: Jelma van Amersfoort CC: Monica Hall; Vihuelalist Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Thanks for this Jelma, However I really didn't suggest that ANY paper presented at the 'Summit' would always automatically transform speculation (or even mere personal assertion) into generally accepted fact, but that some speculation/assertion presented in the past has, indeed, been transformed into widely believed practice by some players. Without the possibility of critical appraisal (through being generally available) the same can happen to any of the pet theories floated at the 'Summit' or, indeed, any other such fora. Two striking examples will suffice: - the use of thumb-under on the lute which became de rigueur for decades (and still persists in some circles) and is only recently being seen as an appropriate technique mostly for certain early lute music; - the use of a high octave on the third course of the 5 course 'baroque' guitar - a practice for which there is no historical evidence. In short, whilst like you I welcome the 'integration of guitar research into mainstream musicology' I'm a bit less willing to accept thoeries which are not able to be subject to some sort of critical review/appraisal by being openly published or otherwise made available. This is not, of course, the case with the few articles in the recent guitar centred editions of Early Music, some of which you tell me first appeared at one of these 'Summits'. Martyn __ From: Jelma van Amersfoort To: Martyn Hodgson Cc: Monica Hall ; Vihuelalist Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 10:18 Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit I don't know, Martyn. Generally, any paper being presented at any conference or festival does not turn into generally accepted fact, does it? If there is such a thing as 'fact' in historical research :-) I certainly attend these things with a healthy dose of scepticism. However, I think the tentative integration of guitar research into mainstream musicology that we see happening these days is a good thing. Jelma On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Martyn Hodgson <[1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Well yes... though if papers are presented, but not disseminated by the 'Summit' and/or are not peer reviewed is there not the problem (alas too common) of mere speculation being transformed into generally accepted fact? Martyn __ From: Monica Hall <[2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> To: "Braig, Eugene" <[3]brai...@osu.edu> Cc: Vihuelalist <[4]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 7:08 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit That sums it up very nicely. Both the list and the Lake Konstanz meeting were opportunities for guitar enthusiasts to get together to discuss their interests. No need for any peer reviewing or the like. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1][5]brai...@osu.edu> To: "Vihuela Dmth" <[2][6]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit > The word " s u b s c r i b e r " ended up robot flagging my last note for > redirection. Here it is again with the offending word deleted. > > E > > > -Original Message- > From: Braig, Eugene > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:59 PM > To: Vihuela Dmth > Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit > > I think more people are reading more into this thing than they should. > While many contributors coincide, the Lake Konstanz Guitar Research > Meeting operated independently of the Topica Guitar Summit. You can see a > concise summary of what the Lake Konstanz/Constance meeting is at the > bottom this GFA page: [3][7]http://www.guitarfoundation.org/?ArchForums . . . as > well as the organizers' own Facebook group: > [4][8]https://www.facebook.com/groups/131072740286508/. I've never managed to > attend the Lake Konstanz meeting in person. > > The "Guitar Summit" was a discussion forum (not unlike the present suite > of Dartmouth lute lists) that was hosted by Topica beginning in 2007. > However, it went through earlier incarnations hosted by a couple different
[VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit
Thanks for this Jelma, However I really didn't suggest that ANY paper presented at the 'Summit' would always automatically transform speculation (or even mere personal assertion) into generally accepted fact, but that some speculation/assertion presented in the past has, indeed, been transformed into widely believed practice by some players. Without the possibility of critical appraisal (through being generally available) the same can happen to any of the pet theories floated at the 'Summit' or, indeed, any other such fora. Two striking examples will suffice: - the use of thumb-under on the lute which became de rigueur for decades (and still persists in some circles) and is only recently being seen as an appropriate technique mostly for certain early lute music; - the use of a high octave on the third course of the 5 course 'baroque' guitar - a practice for which there is no historical evidence. In short, whilst like you I welcome the 'integration of guitar research into mainstream musicology' I'm a bit less willing to accept thoeries which are not able to be subject to some sort of critical review/appraisal by being openly published or otherwise made available. This is not, of course, the case with the few articles in the recent guitar centred editions of Early Music, some of which you tell me first appeared at one of these 'Summits'. Martyn __ From: Jelma van Amersfoort To: Martyn Hodgson Cc: Monica Hall ; Vihuelalist Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 10:18 Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit I don't know, Martyn. Generally, any paper being presented at any conference or festival does not turn into generally accepted fact, does it? If there is such a thing as 'fact' in historical research :-) I certainly attend these things with a healthy dose of scepticism. However, I think the tentative integration of guitar research into mainstream musicology that we see happening these days is a good thing. Jelma On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Martyn Hodgson <[1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Well yes... though if papers are presented, but not disseminated by the 'Summit' and/or are not peer reviewed is there not the problem (alas too common) of mere speculation being transformed into generally accepted fact? Martyn __ From: Monica Hall <[2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> To: "Braig, Eugene" <[3]brai...@osu.edu> Cc: Vihuelalist <[4]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 7:08 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit That sums it up very nicely. Both the list and the Lake Konstanz meeting were opportunities for guitar enthusiasts to get together to discuss their interests. No need for any peer reviewing or the like. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1][5]brai...@osu.edu> To: "Vihuela Dmth" <[2][6]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit > The word " s u b s c r i b e r " ended up robot flagging my last note for > redirection. Here it is again with the offending word deleted. > > E > > > -Original Message- > From: Braig, Eugene > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:59 PM > To: Vihuela Dmth > Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit > > I think more people are reading more into this thing than they should. > While many contributors coincide, the Lake Konstanz Guitar Research > Meeting operated independently of the Topica Guitar Summit. You can see a > concise summary of what the Lake Konstanz/Constance meeting is at the > bottom this GFA page: [3][7]http://www.guitarfoundation.org/?ArchForums . . . as > well as the organizers' own Facebook group: > [4][8]https://www.facebook.com/groups/131072740286508/. I've never managed to > attend the Lake Konstanz meeting in person. > > The "Guitar Summit" was a discussion forum (not unlike the present suite > of Dartmouth lute lists) that was hosted by Topica beginning in 2007. > However, it went through earlier incarnations hosted by a couple different > online services (most notably as the "Classical Guitar History List") that > slightly predate the first Lake Konstanz meeting. I have been a spotty > contributor to each iteration of the discussion fora/listservs since 2005. > When I was active there, there was a great deal of discussion centered on > trans
[VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit
Indeed . But I'm referring to the many other papers presented at the 'Summits' which, I'm told, are not usually published or otherwise made generally available. __ From: Lex Eisenhardt To: Vihuelalist Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 14:01 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit As I understand it, the (9!) guitar related articles in Early Music 41/4 and 42/1 were all reviewed by outside readers. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: woensdag 25 juni 2014 10:59 Aan: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene CC: Vihuelalist Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Well yes... though if papers are presented, but not disseminated by the 'Summit' and/or are not peer reviewed is there not the problem (alas too common) of mere speculation being transformed into generally accepted fact? Martyn __ From: Monica Hall <[3]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> To: "Braig, Eugene" <[4]brai...@osu.edu> Cc: Vihuelalist <[5]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 7:08 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit That sums it up very nicely. Both the list and the Lake Konstanz meeting were opportunities for guitar enthusiasts to get together to discuss their interests. No need for any peer reviewing or the like. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1][6]brai...@osu.edu> To: "Vihuela Dmth" <[2][7]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit > The word " s u b s c r i b e r " ended up robot flagging my last note for > redirection. Here it is again with the offending word deleted. > > E > > > -Original Message- > From: Braig, Eugene > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:59 PM > To: Vihuela Dmth > Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit > > I think more people are reading more into this thing than they should. > While many contributors coincide, the Lake Konstanz Guitar Research > Meeting operated independently of the Topica Guitar Summit. You can see a > concise summary of what the Lake Konstanz/Constance meeting is at the > bottom this GFA page: [3][8]http://www.guitarfoundation.org/?ArchForums . . . as > well as the organizers' own Facebook group: > [4][9]https://www.facebook.com/groups/131072740286508/. I've never managed to > attend the Lake Konstanz meeting in person. > > The "Guitar Summit" was a discussion forum (not unlike the present suite > of Dartmouth lute lists) that was hosted by Topica beginning in 2007. > However, it went through earlier incarnations hosted by a couple different > online services (most notably as the "Classical Guitar History List") that > slightly predate the first Lake Konstanz meeting. I have been a spotty > contributor to each iteration of the discussion fora/listservs since 2005. > When I was active there, there was a great deal of discussion centered on > transitional periods at either end of the 19th c. Yes, Matanya Ophee > served as an organizing hub for these listservs; his contributions to and > prominent voice in this particular arena are hard to deny, whatever your > opinion of them are. Still, at its core, the "summit" was really only a > listserv of guitar geeks (like me), scholars, and professional performers > who liked to ask interesting questions of a collective body of knowledge > (I tended to do more asking than ans! > wering). > > Best, > Eugene > > > -Original Message- > From: [5][10]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[6][11]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > Behalf Of jelmaa > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:43 PM > To: Martyn Hodgson > Cc: Vihuela Dmth > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit > > Hi Martin and others, > > No, the papers are not peer reviewed and not published by the organizers, > but I know many of them end up in journals later through the efforts of > the individual researchers. A list of speakers and subjects is published > though (I believe). You should really contact Andreas about that if you > want to know more. > > Best, Jelma > > > On Jun 24, 2014, at 17:26 , Martyn Hodgson wrote: > >> Thank you Jelma. >> Do you know if this 'Summit' ever publish any of these papers or are >> they available as downloads? Were they peer
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As I understand it, the (9!) guitar related articles in Early Music 41/4 and 42/1 were all reviewed by outside readers. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: woensdag 25 juni 2014 10:59 Aan: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene CC: Vihuelalist Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Well yes... though if papers are presented, but not disseminated by the 'Summit' and/or are not peer reviewed is there not the problem (alas too common) of mere speculation being transformed into generally accepted fact? Martyn __ From: Monica Hall To: "Braig, Eugene" Cc: Vihuelalist Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 7:08 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit That sums it up very nicely. Both the list and the Lake Konstanz meeting were opportunities for guitar enthusiasts to get together to discuss their interests. No need for any peer reviewing or the like. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1]brai...@osu.edu> To: "Vihuela Dmth" <[2]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit > The word " s u b s c r i b e r " ended up robot flagging my last note for > redirection. Here it is again with the offending word deleted. > > E > > > -Original Message- > From: Braig, Eugene > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:59 PM > To: Vihuela Dmth > Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit > > I think more people are reading more into this thing than they should. > While many contributors coincide, the Lake Konstanz Guitar Research > Meeting operated independently of the Topica Guitar Summit. You can see a > concise summary of what the Lake Konstanz/Constance meeting is at the > bottom this GFA page: [3]http://www.guitarfoundation.org/?ArchForums . . . as > well as the organizers' own Facebook group: > [4]https://www.facebook.com/groups/131072740286508/. I've never managed to > attend the Lake Konstanz meeting in person. > > The "Guitar Summit" was a discussion forum (not unlike the present suite > of Dartmouth lute lists) that was hosted by Topica beginning in 2007. > However, it went through earlier incarnations hosted by a couple different > online services (most notably as the "Classical Guitar History List") that > slightly predate the first Lake Konstanz meeting. I have been a spotty > contributor to each iteration of the discussion fora/listservs since 2005. > When I was active there, there was a great deal of discussion centered on > transitional periods at either end of the 19th c. Yes, Matanya Ophee > served as an organizing hub for these listservs; his contributions to and > prominent voice in this particular arena are hard to deny, whatever your > opinion of them are. Still, at its core, the "summit" was really only a > listserv of guitar geeks (like me), scholars, and professional performers > who liked to ask interesting questions of a collective body of knowledge > (I tended to do more asking than ans! > wering). > > Best, > Eugene > > > -Original Message- > From: [5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > Behalf Of jelmaa > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:43 PM > To: Martyn Hodgson > Cc: Vihuela Dmth > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit > > Hi Martin and others, > > No, the papers are not peer reviewed and not published by the organizers, > but I know many of them end up in journals later through the efforts of > the individual researchers. A list of speakers and subjects is published > though (I believe). You should really contact Andreas about that if you > want to know more. > > Best, Jelma > > > On Jun 24, 2014, at 17:26 , Martyn Hodgson wrote: > >> Thank you Jelma. >> Do you know if this 'Summit' ever publish any of these papers or are >> they available as downloads? Were they peer reviewed? >> regards >> Martyn >> __ >> >> From: Jelma van Amersfoort <[7]jel...@gmail.com> >> To: Lex Eisenhardt <[8]eisenha...@planet.nl> >> Cc: Vihuela Dmth <[9]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> >> Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2014, 11:31 >> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit >>Dear all, >>A >>"Lake Konstanz" is a bi-annual international conference on >>guitar-related research, historical and otherwise. It was established >>in 2007 by Gerhard Penn and Andreas Stevens.A The next meeting is in >>2015. >>A >>I was there last year and presented a paper on guitar songs by the >>compose
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I don't know, Martyn. Generally, any paper being presented at any conference or festival does not turn into generally accepted fact, does it? If there is such a thing as 'fact' in historical research :-) A I certainly attend these things with a healthy dose of scepticism. However,A I think the tentative integration of guitar research into mainstream musicology that we see happening these days is a good thing. Jelma On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Martyn Hodgson <[1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: A A Well yes... though if papers are presented, but not disseminated by A A the 'Summit' and/or are not peer reviewed is there not the problem A A (alas too common) of mere speculation being transformed into generally A A accepted fact? A A Martyn A A A __ A A From: Monica Hall <[2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> A A To: "Braig, Eugene" <[3]brai...@osu.edu> A A Cc: Vihuelalist <[4]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> A A Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 7:08 A A Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A That sums it up very nicely. A Both the list and the Lake Konstanz A A meeting A A were opportunities for guitar enthusiasts to get together to discuss A A their A A interests. A No need for any peer reviewing or the like. A A Monica A A - Original Message - A A From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1][5]brai...@osu.edu> A A To: "Vihuela Dmth" <[2][6]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> A A Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:01 PM A A Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A > The word " s u b s c r i b e r " ended up robot flagging my last note A A for A A > redirection. A Here it is again with the offending word deleted. A A > A A > E A A > A A > A A > -Original Message- A A > From: Braig, Eugene A A > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:59 PM A A > To: Vihuela Dmth A A > Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A > A A > I think more people are reading more into this thing than they A A should. A A > While many contributors coincide, the Lake Konstanz Guitar Research A A > Meeting operated independently of the Topica Guitar Summit. A You can A A see a A A > concise summary of what the Lake Konstanz/Constance meeting is at the A A > bottom this GFA page: [3][7]http://www.guitarfoundation.org/?ArchForums A A . . . as A A > well as the organizers' own Facebook group: A A > [4][8]https://www.facebook.com/groups/131072740286508/. I've never A A managed to A A > attend the Lake Konstanz meeting in person. A A > A A > The "Guitar Summit" was a discussion forum (not unlike the present A A suite A A > of Dartmouth lute lists) that was hosted by Topica beginning in 2007. A A > However, it went through earlier incarnations hosted by a couple A A different A A > online services (most notably as the "Classical Guitar History List") A A that A A > slightly predate the first Lake Konstanz meeting. A I have been a A A spotty A A > contributor to each iteration of the discussion fora/listservs since A A 2005. A A > When I was active there, there was a great deal of discussion A A centered on A A > transitional periods at either end of the 19th c. A Yes, Matanya Ophee A A > served as an organizing hub for these listservs; his contributions to A A and A A > prominent voice in this particular arena are hard to deny, whatever A A your A A > opinion of them are. A Still, at its core, the "summit" was really A A only a A A > listserv of guitar geeks (like me), scholars, and professional A A performers A A > who liked to ask interesting questions of a collective body of A A knowledge A A > (I tended to do more asking than ans! A A > wering). A A > A A > Best, A A > Eugene A A > A A > A A > -Original Message- A A > From: [5][9]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu A A [mailto:[6][10]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On A A > Behalf Of jelmaa A A > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:43 PM A A > To: Martyn Hodgson A A > Cc: Vihuela Dmth A A > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A > A A > Hi Martin and others, A A > A A > No, the papers are not peer reviewed and not published by the A A organizers, A A > but I know many of them end up in journals later through the efforts A A of A A > the individual researchers. A list of speakers and subjects is A A published A A > though (I believe). You should really contact Andreas about that if A A you A A > want to know more. A A > A A > Best, Jelma A A > A A > A A > On Jun 24, 2014, at 17:26 , Ma
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Well yes... though if papers are presented, but not disseminated by the 'Summit' and/or are not peer reviewed is there not the problem (alas too common) of mere speculation being transformed into generally accepted fact? Martyn __ From: Monica Hall To: "Braig, Eugene" Cc: Vihuelalist Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 7:08 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit That sums it up very nicely. Both the list and the Lake Konstanz meeting were opportunities for guitar enthusiasts to get together to discuss their interests. No need for any peer reviewing or the like. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1]brai...@osu.edu> To: "Vihuela Dmth" <[2]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit > The word " s u b s c r i b e r " ended up robot flagging my last note for > redirection. Here it is again with the offending word deleted. > > E > > > -Original Message- > From: Braig, Eugene > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:59 PM > To: Vihuela Dmth > Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit > > I think more people are reading more into this thing than they should. > While many contributors coincide, the Lake Konstanz Guitar Research > Meeting operated independently of the Topica Guitar Summit. You can see a > concise summary of what the Lake Konstanz/Constance meeting is at the > bottom this GFA page: [3]http://www.guitarfoundation.org/?ArchForums . . . as > well as the organizers' own Facebook group: > [4]https://www.facebook.com/groups/131072740286508/. I've never managed to > attend the Lake Konstanz meeting in person. > > The "Guitar Summit" was a discussion forum (not unlike the present suite > of Dartmouth lute lists) that was hosted by Topica beginning in 2007. > However, it went through earlier incarnations hosted by a couple different > online services (most notably as the "Classical Guitar History List") that > slightly predate the first Lake Konstanz meeting. I have been a spotty > contributor to each iteration of the discussion fora/listservs since 2005. > When I was active there, there was a great deal of discussion centered on > transitional periods at either end of the 19th c. Yes, Matanya Ophee > served as an organizing hub for these listservs; his contributions to and > prominent voice in this particular arena are hard to deny, whatever your > opinion of them are. Still, at its core, the "summit" was really only a > listserv of guitar geeks (like me), scholars, and professional performers > who liked to ask interesting questions of a collective body of knowledge > (I tended to do more asking than ans! > wering). > > Best, > Eugene > > > -Original Message- > From: [5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > Behalf Of jelmaa > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:43 PM > To: Martyn Hodgson > Cc: Vihuela Dmth > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit > > Hi Martin and others, > > No, the papers are not peer reviewed and not published by the organizers, > but I know many of them end up in journals later through the efforts of > the individual researchers. A list of speakers and subjects is published > though (I believe). You should really contact Andreas about that if you > want to know more. > > Best, Jelma > > > On Jun 24, 2014, at 17:26 , Martyn Hodgson wrote: > >> Thank you Jelma. >> Do you know if this 'Summit' ever publish any of these papers or are >> they available as downloads? Were they peer reviewed? >> regards >> Martyn >> __ >> >> From: Jelma van Amersfoort <[7]jel...@gmail.com> >> To: Lex Eisenhardt <[8]eisenha...@planet.nl> >> Cc: Vihuela Dmth <[9]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> >> Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2014, 11:31 >> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit >>Dear all, >>A >>"Lake Konstanz" is a bi-annual international conference on >>guitar-related research, historical and otherwise. It was established >>in 2007 by Gerhard Penn and Andreas Stevens.A The next meeting is in >>2015. >>A >>I was there last year and presented a paper on guitar songs by the >>composer Pauline Duchambge (1776-1858). There were speakers from many >>different countries and backgrounds, it was quite interesting and >> fun. >>As Lex Eisenhardt mentioned, four or five of the people who recently >>published in Early Music were there as well, and Matanya Ophee too. >>A >>If any of you want to present or just
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"guitar enthusiasts".That is not what I wrote. I have no opinion on the Summit List, but the Lake Konstanz meeting is attended by serious scholars, playersA and publishers as well as the usual assortment of kooks. A Jelma On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Monica Hall <[1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: That sums it up very nicely. A Both the list and the Lake Konstanz meeting were opportunities for guitar enthusiasts to get together to discuss their interests. A No need for any peer reviewing or the like. Monica - Original Message - From: "Braig, Eugene" <[2]brai...@osu.edu> To: "Vihuela Dmth" <[3]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit The word " s u b s c r i b e r " ended up robot flagging my last note for redirection. A Here it is again with the offending word deleted. E -Original Message- From: Braig, Eugene Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:59 PM To: Vihuela Dmth Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit I think more people are reading more into this thing than they should. While many contributors coincide, the Lake Konstanz Guitar Research Meeting operated independently of the Topica Guitar Summit. A You can see a concise summary of what the Lake Konstanz/Constance meeting is at the bottom this GFA page: [4]http://www.guitarfoundation.org/?ArchForums . . . as well as the organizers' own Facebook group: [5]https://www.facebook.com/groups/131072740286508/. A I've never managed to attend the Lake Konstanz meeting in person. The "Guitar Summit" was a discussion forum (not unlike the present suite of Dartmouth lute lists) that was hosted by Topica beginning in 2007. However, it went through earlier incarnations hosted by a couple different online services (most notably as the "Classical Guitar History List") that slightly predate the first Lake Konstanz meeting. A I have been a spotty contributor to each iteration of the discussion fora/listservs since 2005. When I was active there, there was a great deal of discussion centered on transitional periods at either end of the 19th c. A Yes, Matanya Ophee served as an organizing hub for these listservs; his contributions to and prominent voice in this particular arena are hard to deny, whatever your opinion of them are. A Still, at its core, the "summit" was really only a listserv of guitar geeks (like me), scholars, and professional performers who liked to ask interesting questions of a collective body of knowledge (I tended to do more asking than ans! wering). Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: [6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[7]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of jelmaa Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:43 PM To: Martyn Hodgson Cc: Vihuela Dmth Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Hi Martin and others, No, the papers are not peer reviewed and not published by the organizers, but I know many of them end up in journals later through the efforts of the individual researchers. A list of speakers and subjects is published though (I believe). You should really contact Andreas about that if you want to know more. Best, Jelma On Jun 24, 2014, at 17:26 , Martyn Hodgson wrote: A Thank you Jelma. A Do you know if this 'Summit' ever publish any of these papers or are A they available as downloads? Were they peer reviewed? A regards A Martyn A A __ A From: Jelma van Amersfoort <[8]jel...@gmail.com> A To: Lex Eisenhardt <[9]eisenha...@planet.nl> A Cc: Vihuela Dmth <[10]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> A Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2014, 11:31 A Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A Dear all, A A A A A "Lake Konstanz" is a bi-annual international conference on A A guitar-related research, historical and otherwise. It was established A A in 2007 by Gerhard Penn and Andreas Stevens.A The next meeting is in A A 2015. A A A A A I was there last year and presented a paper on guitar songs by the A A composer Pauline Duchambge (1776-1858). There were speakers from many A A different countries and backgrounds, it was quite interesting and A fun. A A As Lex Eisenhardt mentioned, four or five of the people who recently A A published in Early Music were there as well, and Matanya Ophee too. A A A A A If any of you want to present or just listen it is best to approach A A Andreas or Gerhard with a proposal. They are quite keen to involve A more A A researchers. I belie
