[VIHUELA] Re: Fuenllana
I know of a recording (I do realize that program notes on Cd's may or may not be accurate) of all works of Fuenllana, by the group Orphenica Lyra, directed by Jose Miguel Moreno. The program notes were written by Ivan Moody. In it, he states that Fuenllana was born in Navalcarnero, in the province of Madrid. He provides no dates for the birth. He also states, he died at some point before 1591 (the dates 1568 and 1579 have been suggested, probably in Madrid. This statement has a footnote, stating a convenient biographical resume of Fuellana may be found in Samuel Rubio: Historiia de la Musica Espanola 2: Desde el ars nova hasta 2600 (Madrid, 1983) pp. 229-230. I hope this helps. ed At 11:40 AM 1/2/2013, Monica Hall wrote: I don't think there is anything in the prologue - they weren't very worried about things like dates of birth! I agree - 1520 seems more likely for his birth. I think there might be some evidence that he was till alive in 1579. I'm sure I read something to that effect recently. Monica - Original Message - From: [1]Martyn Hodgson To: [2]Vihuelalist ; [3]Monica Hall Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Fuenllana Well, Orphenica Lyra is 1554 and I'd not think he'd be much younger than around 30 for such a prestigious (and large - ie expensive) publication. So I'd put his date of birth around 1520. I suspect the c 1500 - 1579 means that 1500 is a guess but 1579 is evidenced. 1579 also fits with average adult lifespan of the period of around 60 (ie excluding children with their extremely high early mortality rate). Is there nothing in the extensive prologue, dedication, notes which give some idea of his history? Martyn --- On Wed, 2/1/13, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [VIHUELA] Fuenllana To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, 2 January, 2013, 14:33 Does anyone have any dates for Fuenllana. I have just come across a source which gives them as c.1500-1579. It seems unlikely to me that he would have lived to be 79... Groves gives fl. 1553-1578. Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 2. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871ref=name http://www.myspace.com/edslute http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin
[VIHUELA] Re: A courante from Panmure 5 arranged for Baroque guitar by Rob MacKillop
Hi Monica, The Courante in question is a tune that was played on Jakob Lindberg's old LP of Scottish pieces, recorded in the 80's. It is a most lovely piece, for 10 course lute, in transitional tuning. At 04:42 PM 3/27/2012, Monica Hall wrote: It's very nice attempt. This is one of the pieces on Rob's CD. When I first heard it it sounded so familiar I am sure that I have come across it in another baroque guitar source. I wonder if anyone else recognises it. Monica Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871ref=name http://www.myspace.com/edslute http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Greetings from the President of the LSA
Greetings to all LSA members. The LSA will have a booth at the Boston Early Music Festival again this year and we are looking for members who might be interested in working at the booth. The commitment can be as much or as little as you would like to become involved, and duties would be to talk to visitors to the booth who might have questions about the lute or the Lute Society. If you will be in Boston from June 15 - 18 and would like to help out at the BEMF Exhibition, we would love to have you. Contact Dick Hoban, d.ho...@tcu.edu or Dan Larson d...@gamutmusic.com to sign up. Helpers get a pass to the festival and the thanks of a grateful Lute Society. Thanks, Dan Larson, LSA Persident Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871ref=name http://www.myspace.com/edslute http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Four c. guitar
Eugene, You apparently can get one in the USA for about $21. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dpopularfield-keywords=michael+craddockx=0y=0ih=11_2_0_1_0_2_0_0_0_1.128_229fsc=-1 I have one, and it is very nice. ed At 08:58 AM 7/30/2010, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: Craddock's recording is now super-hard to find. I would love to have a copy, but can't seem to track one down at a reasonable price. Also look into: Lonardi, Massimo. 2006. Comiença la Musica para Guitarra. Stradivarius. Marincola, Federico. 1994. Pieces pour Luth/Pieces pour Guitare. Disques Pierre Verany. Smith, Hopkinson. 1992. Alonso Mudarra: Tres Libros de Musica en Cifras Para Vihuela. Auvidis/Astrée. The former is all 4-course guitar and quite nice to my ears. The latter two features mostly lute or vihuela, but include a fair number of tasty guitar solos and are also quite nice. ...Not to mention Jocelyn's fine recent effort: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/nelsonbartram. Even Anthony Rooley indulged in a little 4-course guitar on Renaissance Fantasias, but only a little. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Laura Maschi Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:05 PM To: Bruno Correia Cc: List LUTELIST Subject: [LUTE] Re: Four c. guitar Also check michael Craddock wonderful recording released around 2008... Enviado desde mi iPod El 29/07/2010, a las 23:40, Bruno Correia bruno.l...@gmail.com escribió: I think John Williams never read anything about the history of his own instrument. Check at 1:38. Couldn't believe he said that, specially after watching those great videos by Jocelyn Nelson. [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_LNU1-s4BEfeature=related -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_LNU1-s4BEfeature=related To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871ref=name http://www.myspace.com/edslute
[VIHUELA] Re: quatro differencias sobre la pavana por grados
Thanks, John! Thanks in advance to all, but unless there is another recorded version of this piece, there is no need to respond. ed At 12:01 AM 2/28/2010, John Griffiths wrote: Dear Ed, the only recording I know is the one by Juan Carlos Rivera on the recording with his group Armonioso Concerto dedicated to Valderrabano on Harmonia Mundi Iberica 987509. For details see: [1]http://www.juancarlosrivera.com/espanol/frame.html If you need a copy of the track, let me know privately. Regards, John On 28/02/2010, at 14:22, Edward Martin wrote: Dear ones, Does anyone on the list know of any recordings of this piece by Valderrabano? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, ed Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [2...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 [3]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871ref=name http://www.myspace.com/edslute To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ Professor John Griffiths FAHA Early Music Studio, School of Music, The University of Melbourne 3010, Victoria, Australia tel +61 3 8344 8810 mob +61 421 644 911 [4]jag...@unimelb.edu.au [5]www.vihuelagriffiths.com ___ This e-mail and any attachments may contain personal information or information that is otherwise confidential or the subject of copyright. Any use, disclosure or copying of any part of it is prohibited. The University does not warrant that this email or any attachments are free from viruses or defects. Please check any attachments for viruses and defects before opening them. If this e-mail is received in error please delete it and notify us by return e-mail. -- References 1. http://www.juancarlosrivera.com/espanol/frame.html 2. mailto:e...@gamutstrings.com 3. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871ref=name 4. mailto:jag...@unimelb.edu.au 5. http://www.vihuelagriffiths.com/ Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871ref=name http://www.myspace.com/edslute
[VIHUELA] Re: More Kremberg
It downloaded perfectly well for me, on my cranky old computer. As usual, beautiful work, Rocky! ed At 01:17 AM 5/10/2009 -0500, Mjos Larson wrote: Oh, dear! Thanks for the report. It did work when I downloaded it just now. Anyone else having a problem? -- R On May 10, 2009, at 12:57 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote: I couldn't open the file, Rocky. I downloaded it twice. Same problem - a window saying the file was corrupted. Anyone else have this problem? Normally I have no such problems with your pdfs. Rob 2009/5/10 Mjos Larson [1]rockype...@earthlink.net I have uploaded an updated edition of Kremberg. It includes some new pieces for guitar, another baroque lute setting, a song, and some viol versions (which could serve as the starting point for lute or archlute arrangements). There are also a few small corrections to previously offered pieces. I apologize for the large file size. The edition can be found at: [2]http://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/RockyMjos -- R To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:rockype...@earthlink.net 2. http://earlyguitar.ning.com/profile/RockyMjos 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.23/2106 - Release Date: 05/09/09 06:54:00 Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202
[VIHUELA] Re: Chacone on ning
I had problems the past few days with you tube. Was the site down? I could not connect with it, but now I can. ed At 03:46 PM 4/30/2009 +0100, Monica Hall wrote: Yes - I could get it - no problem - on Youtube. What's the matter with ning? Monica - Original Message - From: waling.tier...@inter.nl.net To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Chacone on ning No problems here. Video's and audio-samples are playing flawlessly. Tronds' Chaconne is actually on Youtube: maybe you can play it directly from there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV_vCQJ7Ras Waling Op Do, april 30, 2009 14:29 schreef Monica Hall: I don't know what's wrong with my computer but I don't seem to be able to play this (or any of the videos) back at the moment. Is there something wrong with me or the site? Monica - Original Message - From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:50 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Chacone on ning Trond Bengtson plays a chacone very pleasingly here: http://earlyguitar.ning.com/video/chacone-moernermscorbetta Guitar chaconnes can be quite magical a their best. Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.10/2088 - Release Date: 04/30/09 06:01:00 Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202
[VIHUELA] Re: There is a traitor in our midst!
Rob, I like the Hachas! Very fun. Now, can you do Tiptoe through the Tulips? At 02:18 PM 1/17/2009 +, Rob MacKillop wrote: --===AVGMAIL-4971EB23=== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please forgive me! [1]http://www.youtube.com/user/baroqueuke My first instrument - when I was eight years old...my life must be drawing full circle...and coming to an end!!! Hopefully not for a while... Rob -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/user/baroqueuke To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --===AVGMAIL-4971EB23=== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundaryAVGMAIL-4971EB23=== --===AVGMAIL-4971EB23=== Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg=cert; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: AVG certification No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 3= :09 PM --===AVGMAIL-4971EB23===-- --===AVGMAIL-4971EB23===-- Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202
[VIHUELA] Re: Hi All
Hello, Joshua. Glad to see you are back. I have a question - why put a capo on the third fret? Is it for some ensemble piece so you need to be in a particular pitch, or is it for solo work? ed At 04:08 AM 12/9/2008 -0600, Joshua E. Horn wrote: --===AVGMAIL-493E4602=== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All, I'm back on the Vihuela list with my new E-Mail! - I just bought a new Spanish Classical Guitar, in which I've been playing with a capo up on the 3rd fret. Looking forward to hearing from everyone! Josh Joshua E. Horn To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --===AVGMAIL-493E4602=== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundaryAVGMAIL-493E4602=== --===AVGMAIL-493E4602=== Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg=cert; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: AVG certification No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1838 - Release Date: 12/8/2008 6= :16 PM --===AVGMAIL-493E4602===-- --===AVGMAIL-493E4602===-- Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[VIHUELA] Re: de los alamos vengo madre
The translation I have is: From the poplars I come, mother, from seeing how the air makes them sway, from the poplars of Seville, from seeing my pretty friend. At 11:17 PM 10/30/2008 +, bill kilpatrick wrote: greetings - would someone please be so kind as to provide the true meaning for the following song: De los alamos vengo madre, De ver como los menea el ayre, De los alamos de sevilla, De ver a mi linda amiga. ... with my meagre understanding of italian and an even poorer comprehension of spanish, i took this to be a song sung by a man for and about his linda amiga up a tree - have i got the wrong end of the stick? - bill http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=billkilpatrick -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1755 - Release Date: 10/29/2008 5:27 PM Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[VIHUELA] Re: Basic information ; tablature and tunings
Excellent list, Jose. Joshua, if you are in the USA, the vihuela CD rom is available from LA Classic guitars. http://www.lacg.net/catalog/index.php?action=facsimilespage=55name=Vihuela ed At 08:29 AM 9/16/2008 +0200, José Luis wrote: Vihuela books 1) Facsimiles. Free download DAZA http://purl.pt/765/1/ FUENLLANA ? MILAN http://bibliotecadigitalhispanica.bne.es/R/-?func=dbin-jump-fullobject_id=201461current_base=GEN01 MUDARRA http://musickshandmade.com/lute/facbooks/index/page:3 NARVAEZ ? PISADOR ? VALDERRABANO ? 2) Modern tablature. Free download: DAZA ? FUENLLANA http://www.gerbode.net/ft2/composers/Fuenllana/orphenica_lyra/ MILAN 1) http://www.gerbode.net/ft2/composers/Milan/el_maestro_1535/pdf/ 2) http://musickshandmade.com/lute/collections/view/28 MUDARRA 1) http://www.gerbode.net/ft2/composers/Mudarra/tres_libros_de_musica/ 2) http://musickshandmade.com/lute/collections/view/39 NARVAEZ ? PISADOR ? VALDERRABANO ? 3) All facsimiles - Low price CD Libros de música para vihuela 1536-1576 http://www.ars-antiqva.com/index.html?lang=estarget=d43.html Best wishes, Jose Luis 2008/9/15, Joshua Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I'm on the Lute mailing list, I purchased a smaller sized acoustic guitar (36 inches total length) from a store to play Vihuela music on. (I cannot afford very expensive instruments). I got a good deal on it and I am happy with the sound, being a Guitarist of some years. I have played around with Lute music and lute tunings, but I cannot find any exclusive Vihuela tablature anywhere. I would like to know what a good Vihuela similar tuning for a modern guitar would be. and the location of some tablature. Thank you! -- Josh Horn -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1672 - Release Date: 9/15/2008 9:21 AM Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[VIHUELA] Re: new website
Thanks a lot, Rob. It is a very nice way to present recordings. I like the 2nd cello suite in the darker g minor dark chocolate! ed At 01:24 PM 4/24/2008 +0100, Rob MacKillop wrote: I've decided to put all my mp3 sound files on a dedicated website called Song Of The Rose (www.songoftherose.co.uk). I have no interest anymore in making CDs, so all my future solo files will be placed here. It currently includes Robert de Visee's Suite in Dm (bourdon on the 4th), new recordings done half an hour ago of some Sanz (no bourdon), and most of my old vihuela recordings. Much more to follow in due course. Cheers, Rob MacKillop -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.4/1394 - Release Date: 4/23/2008 7:16 PM Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[VIHUELA] 5 course baroque guitar
Dear conventional wisdom, What is the current thought on string tension for baroque guitars? My guitar is strung with about the same equivalent tensions of my lutes, about 2.9 to 3.0 Kg. tension per string, except for the treble, which is about 3.8 Kg. I have heard that guitarists like to use less tension for a brighter sound. Any opinions are deeply appreciated. ed Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Has Bill mentioned this?
The person who is the director of this group of children, La Volta, is Jürgen Hübscher . Jurgen is an absolutely phenomenal player of many stringed instruments. His baroque lute playing is dazzling. ed At 05:51 PM 11/6/2007 -0500, Nelson, Jocelyn wrote: I think he did, some time ago, but I enjoyed hearing it again. Jocelyn From: Stuart Walsh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 11/6/2007 5:32 PM To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [VIHUELA] Has Bill mentioned this? Sanz on charango! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMemlCFYP-M To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/1112 - Release Date: 11/5/2007 7:11 PM Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[VIHUELA] Re: Guerau recording
No, they were not wound. In fact, it is not proven that there were _any_ wound strings used for lutes. There is conjecture, but no document describing wound strings for a baroque, or any lute, for that matter. My 5th courses, in gut, sound just fine (at least, I hope they sound OK). ed At 02:29 PM 10/15/2007 +0100, Monica Hall wrote: I wonder if Baillon is anticipating the move to single strings, in these observations? Wouldn't the Baroque lute's fifth course, DD , have overspun strings? Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: wild rose
I noticed a well that the visuals were taken from Stephen Sandi's website. Too bad. ed At 02:44 PM 6/27/2007 -0400, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: At 02:02 PM 6/27/2007, bill kilpatrick wrote: please check out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgaSQUQaQBk .. excellent music apart (all played by the same guy) about halfway through the video there's a detail of a rose which features - if i'm not mistaken - a figure holding a cinecamera (!?) I believe all the guitar images were plagiarized/borrowed from Barber Harris http://www.lutesandguitars.co.uk/htm/cat11.htm. Of the videographer rose, the site says MTV gets everywhere these days: recently spotted, apparently taking place in a Checchucci guitar rose - location shooting of the new Madonna video for her Norah Batty tribute DVD. The strummed accompaniment sounds decent. Something about the melody line sounds like synthesized or sampled sound, perhaps some relatively cavernous sounding harpsichord patch. I still prefer to hear this stuff as guitar solos. Part of its character that appeals to me is the implied rhythm on occasional bass notes and accents sans strum where the high voice is taking a more acrobatic role. Separating the melody from accompaniment of a well developed solo work into independent parts can sound pleasant, but does change and potentially homogenize the character. I can live with it, maybe even appreciate the different feel to a certain degree, but I'm not certain I like loss of the character of the solo as originally composed. This is the same problem I have when Andrew Lawrence-King turns this solo repertoire into works for guitar with a basso continuo cast of dozens; it smacks of gross overkill to me. Once more, Bill, if you're feeling particularly ambitious, de Murcia's stuff would make for very cool charango solos with minimal re-tuning (and perhaps bourdons throughout). C'mon, you know you wanna... E -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/873 - Release Date: 6/26/2007 11:54 PM Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[VIHUELA] Juan Carlos Rivera
Dear fellow netters, I would very much like to contact, by e-mail, Mr. Rivera. I recently purchased his CD of Valderrabano, and I would very much like to contact him. On his web site, he has a contact e-mail address of : [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I wrote to this address twice, and it bounced back. Does anyone know how I can contact him? Thanks, ed Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: strings?
For my vihuela, I use treble gut for the first 4 courses, then Pistoy gut for the 5th 6th courses. Very sweet indeed. ed At 12:24 PM 11/5/2006 +, robert.fallis wrote: I've just been away for 8weeks, on my return, three of my vihula strings had given up the ghost, they where all cheap guitar strings and I thought I might give it a treat , as it's now played in. So I wondered what strings other people used bob -- sent by Suse 10.1 from Lincoln the dead centre of the universe To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[VIHUELA] Re: Mean tone temperament
Howard, I agree with everything you said, totally. That is exactly my practice with fret placement. slightly diminish the 2nd 4th frets, for renaissance tuning. Well stated! ed At 12:30 PM 3/29/2006 -0800, Howard Posner wrote: Monica Hall wrote: I have got these two CDs of baroque guitar music to review. One of them says that the instrument is tuned to A=415 in mean-tone temperament; the other to A = 440 in mean tone temperament. No more information than that is given in the notes, but one of the CDs has 2 photos of the artists and it seems that this refinement is achieved by putting strips of something - cardboard? plastic?! partly under sections of some of the frets. The frets themselves look very thick and as if they were of a single thick strand of whatever - gut? nylon? rather than tied in a loop like I do mine. As far as I'm aware the guitar was usually tuned to a sort of equal temperament - at least that is what Doisi de Velasco says and how else would they have been able to play in the 12 different major and minor keys - as they were wont to do? But I do vaguely remember also reading somewhere that lutenists sometimes did something like this and even that there was a name for the practice. This discussion seems to have gotten sidetracked, and indeed diverted to another list. Tuning a fretted instrument in a basic functional meantone is not difficult: place the second and fourth frets closer to the nut than they would be in equal temperament, and you've done most of the job. Most of the thirds of major chords fall on those frets, and by shortening them you get thirds that are closer to pure, and much more consonant and at rest than equally tempered thirds. The exact process of fret placement is a season-to-taste process, not only because different setups satisfy different ears, but because the imprecisions inherent in fretting a string make it more art than science. Tastini are not necessary. Whether you want them or not depends on how much weirdness you want when the tonality goes far afield. Unusual keys do not necessarily require equal temperament. HP To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[VIHUELA] Re: Now that's a vihuela!
Notice the asking price of $40,000. Incredible! No bids as of yet? ed At 06:04 PM 12/18/2005 -0500, Garry Bryan wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=7376082161ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 LOL! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[VIHUELA] Re: Vihuela tutor book
Yes, I have a copy, and I agree, that it is wonderful. ed At 10:39 PM 12/13/2005 +, Rob MacKillop wrote: Looking for an excellent vihuela tutor? Have a read of this: http://www.musicintime.co.uk/taner.htm Rob MacKillop To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[VIHUELA] Re: Iconography
For some strange reason, this link [www.sociedaddelavihuela]will not open for me. ed This guy, from the cover of the first issue of the Spanish Vihuela Society, www.sociedaddelavihuela looks exactly like me, picture perfect. Eerie! Its taken from Venus vihuelista, sculpted on the facade of the main entrance of the chapel of the saviour in the city of Übeda, 16th century. B.R. G. Thanks for this G (the CC and the picture). And hello to all. I thought I'd join this list and see where it leads. I'm sure I can learn a lot from you. I don't know how much I'll have to contribute, I'm really just a common guitarist with an interest in history. Hope that's good enough. Some of you might recognize me from my web site, http://www.TheCipher.com , or occasionally on the lute-list, or some other music or guitar related newsgroup. I have no idea what, if anything, good or bad, precedes me, but I hope we'll be reasonably comfortable around each other ;-) Thanks Roger To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[VIHUELA] Re: What is the historical vihuela?
I have a friend, Tyler Kaiser, who owns a Dan Larson replica of the 74 cm guitar. He has absolutely no problems at this length for the solo literature. ed At 07:19 PM 11/10/2005 +, Alexander Batov wrote: I am aware that a number of baroque guitars have long string lengths. I don't know how people manage to play them.I understand that Linda Sayce had an exact copy of the Stradivarius guitar made which has a string length of 74.1 and she found it unplayable. Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Segovia Catedral MS
Dear Collective Wisdom, I am most interested in obtaining a copy of the Segovia Catedral MS. It is my understanding that this MS contains an absolute treasure of pieces, by diverse authors, and that there is a viewpoint of many professionals that it is possible that many of the pieces are implicitly for a consort of vihuelas [or lutes]. I do not get the publications from the Lute Society [Great Britain], but I have been told that there was a fascinating article a year or 2 ago, regarding this work, possibly having been of the ownership of Agricola. As well, a friend saw a posting of a modern edition of the MS for sale for 19 Euro's, but he lost the bookmark, and we have been unable to find this. Apparently, the editor's name is Polo. Has anyone heard of this edition, or have any inside knowledge as to where it can be obtained, or if there is a facsimile available for purchase? I called OMI, and they do not have it. Can any fellow netters shed any light? Many thanks in advance, Edward Martin Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE: Royal College Dias
Dear Rob and Martyn, Yes, I agree. This vihuela list has not been argumentative, but in the past there has been some heated discussion of appropriate instrumentation for vihuelas. One could compare this to lutes. I have heard some fantastic lutes, that were not exact replicas of an original instrument, and to me, it does not really matter all that much. What matters is if the instrument plays and sounds well. I have heard your instrument, Rob, on your web site, and I must say, it sounds fabulous. I have a vaulted back vihuela that also sounds wonderful, and I could care less if it is an authentic reproduction. By any accounts, it is a successful instrument. So, for the Dias, I do not think it is critical whether or not if it had been a guitar or vihuela. If it is successful, that is what counts. ed At 11:36 AM 6/8/2005 +0100, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Rob, Thank you for this. I do, however, think you misunderstand the debate: it is not about criticism or attempting to impose any uniformity; it is merely scholarly questioning and suggesting other possibilities which may, or may not, have some validity. Much less is it about being 'angry and argumentative' - where do you get this from? If serious debate is quashed by fear of seeming 'argumentative' we'll never get anywhere. Finally, I'm pleased you like Alexander's very fine instruments but what precise relevance is this to the particular debate? regards, Martyn Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not a maker or an organologist, so... It appears to be a unsatisfactory situation for all concerned. There are quite a number of images of what we assume are vihuelas - and no two of them are the same in all relevant details. We also have a few surviving instruments which we assume are vihuelas (not everyone agrees). Not only do none of these surviving instruments look like any of the others, but they also look unlike the iconographic images. What conclusions can we draw from this state of affairs? It seems to me obvious that there were as many interpretations then about what a vihuela was as there are now over the modern acoustic guitar. Each maker did 'his own thing', adapting, experimenting, etc. I find this a wholly positive thing! Why some people get angry and argumentative over all this, seems to me crazy. There is no one vihuela which we must all copy and play. The bottom line is that any roughly guitar or viola-shaped instrument with six courses, tuned like a lute (pitch varies) is suitable for the printed repertoire. Some people in the 16th century played this stuff on a lute...The Dias is a perfectly good base model. For what it's worth: I play one of Alexander's vihuelas for one good reason: it is a great musical instrument, suitable for the repertoire. Rob To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with voicemail -- Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
Re: Dedillo
This is an interesting point. I have never heard anyone perform the dedillo successfully, with the exception of Ronn McFarlane, who (if my memory serves me correctly) used it on some Milan pieces in an older solo CD of his. Other than that, I know of nobody who now uses it. ed At 09:49 PM 6/8/2005 +0100, Rob MacKillop wrote: Martyn sent me this: To get back to the Vihuela, - do you know anyone who plays dedillo (I think that's the term)? ie running passages played with index alone: I've tried, and failed - dismally. Thanks and rgds Martyn I sympathise with Martyn. Dedillo can sound awful, and I have to say I try it every once in a while but always with the same results. Not to my liking. I think it works best if the nail is a little bit long. I have seen a few folk guitar players use the technique, but it sounds pretty lousy to my ears, although it doesn't 'jump out' as it does when I use it. I guess that is because the tone they produce generally is pretty rough. I imagine there was a great variety amongst players in the 16th century regarding tone production. Most of us arrive at vihuela via lute or classical guitar, where we have spent years trying to 'improve' our tone. Dedillo seems like a step backwards. But maybe I just can't do it properly! Anyone out there had success with this technique? Rob www.rmguitar.co.uk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
Re: Spam alert
I received the announcement of this new list from Manuel Minguillon Nieto. I received no attachments, but there is a link to their web site, it is a new society for vihuelas. it looks quite interesting, but it has no English translation. ed At 06:11 PM 4/25/2005 -0700, Craig Robert Pierpont wrote: I just received an e-mail from info@ sociedaddelavihuela.com containing a 24k attachment. Interestingly enough, this is exactly the same size as all the spam I get lately. You have or will probably get one also. I don't know nothing, but I suspect that this e-mail is highly deleatable. Craig Craig R. Pierpont Another Era Lutherie www.anotherera.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
