[VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit
guitar enthusiasts.That is not what I wrote. I have no opinion on the Summit List, but the Lake Konstanz meeting is attended by serious scholars, playersA and publishers as well as the usual assortment of kooks. A Jelma On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Monica Hall [1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: That sums it up very nicely. A Both the list and the Lake Konstanz meeting were opportunities for guitar enthusiasts to get together to discuss their interests. A No need for any peer reviewing or the like. Monica - Original Message - From: Braig, Eugene [2]brai...@osu.edu To: Vihuela Dmth [3]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit The word s u b s c r i b e r ended up robot flagging my last note for redirection. A Here it is again with the offending word deleted. E -Original Message- From: Braig, Eugene Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:59 PM To: Vihuela Dmth Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit I think more people are reading more into this thing than they should. While many contributors coincide, the Lake Konstanz Guitar Research Meeting operated independently of the Topica Guitar Summit. A You can see a concise summary of what the Lake Konstanz/Constance meeting is at the bottom this GFA page: [4]http://www.guitarfoundation.org/?ArchForums . . . as well as the organizers' own Facebook group: [5]https://www.facebook.com/groups/131072740286508/. A I've never managed to attend the Lake Konstanz meeting in person. The Guitar Summit was a discussion forum (not unlike the present suite of Dartmouth lute lists) that was hosted by Topica beginning in 2007. However, it went through earlier incarnations hosted by a couple different online services (most notably as the Classical Guitar History List) that slightly predate the first Lake Konstanz meeting. A I have been a spotty contributor to each iteration of the discussion fora/listservs since 2005. When I was active there, there was a great deal of discussion centered on transitional periods at either end of the 19th c. A Yes, Matanya Ophee served as an organizing hub for these listservs; his contributions to and prominent voice in this particular arena are hard to deny, whatever your opinion of them are. A Still, at its core, the summit was really only a listserv of guitar geeks (like me), scholars, and professional performers who liked to ask interesting questions of a collective body of knowledge (I tended to do more asking than ans! wering). Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: [6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[7]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of jelmaa Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:43 PM To: Martyn Hodgson Cc: Vihuela Dmth Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Hi Martin and others, No, the papers are not peer reviewed and not published by the organizers, but I know many of them end up in journals later through the efforts of the individual researchers. A list of speakers and subjects is published though (I believe). You should really contact Andreas about that if you want to know more. Best, Jelma On Jun 24, 2014, at 17:26 , Martyn Hodgson wrote: A Thank you Jelma. A Do you know if this 'Summit' ever publish any of these papers or are A they available as downloads? Were they peer reviewed? A regards A Martyn A A __ A From: Jelma van Amersfoort [8]jel...@gmail.com A To: Lex Eisenhardt [9]eisenha...@planet.nl A Cc: Vihuela Dmth [10]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu A Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2014, 11:31 A Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A Dear all, A A A A A Lake Konstanz is a bi-annual international conference on A A guitar-related research, historical and otherwise. It was established A A in 2007 by Gerhard Penn and Andreas Stevens.A The next meeting is in A A 2015. A A A A A I was there last year and presented a paper on guitar songs by the A A composer Pauline Duchambge (1776-1858). There were speakers from many A A different countries and backgrounds, it was quite interesting and A fun. A A As Lex Eisenhardt mentioned, four or five of the people who recently A A published in Early Music were there as well, and Matanya Ophee too. A A A A A If any of you want to present or just listen it is best to approach A A Andreas or Gerhard with a proposal. They are quite keen to involve A more A A researchers. I believe there is no website
[VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit
if this 'Summit' ever publish any of these papers or A A are A A A they available as downloads? Were they peer reviewed? A A A regards A A A Martyn A A A A __ A A A A A From: Jelma van Amersfoort [7][11]jel...@gmail.com A A A To: Lex Eisenhardt [8][12]eisenha...@planet.nl A A A Cc: Vihuela Dmth [9][13]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu A A A Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2014, 11:31 A A A Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A A A Dear all, A A A A A A A A A Lake Konstanz is a bi-annual international conference on A A A A guitar-related research, historical and otherwise. It was A A established A A A A in 2007 by Gerhard Penn and Andreas Stevens.A The next meeting is A A in A A A A 2015. A A A A A A A A A I was there last year and presented a paper on guitar songs by A A the A A A A composer Pauline Duchambge (1776-1858). There were speakers from A A many A A A A different countries and backgrounds, it was quite interesting and A A A fun. A A A A As Lex Eisenhardt mentioned, four or five of the people who A A recently A A A A published in Early Music were there as well, and Matanya Ophee A A too. A A A A A A A A A If any of you want to present or just listen it is best to A A approach A A A A Andreas or Gerhard with a proposal. They are quite keen to A A involve A A A more A A A A researchers. I believe there is no website, but there is a rather A A A A active facebook page. A A A A ([1][1][10][14]https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/131072740286508/ ) A A A A A A A A A Best, Jelma van Amersfoort A A A A A A A A A A A A A A On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Lex Eisenhardt A A A A [2][2][11][15]eisenha...@planet.nl wrote: A A A A A Some of you may have seen the 'guitar issues' of Early Music A A (41/4 A A A A A A and A A A A A 42/1). Some of the authors lectured at the 'Lake Konstanz' A A (Summit) A A A A A meetings. A A A A A -Oorspronkelijk bericht- A A A A A Van: [3][3][12][16]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu A A A A A [mailto:[4][4][13][17]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens A A A A A WALSH STUART A A A A A Verzonden: dinsdag 24 juni 2014 11:54 A A A A A Aan: Martyn Hodgson; Vihuela Dmth A A A A A Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A A A On 24/06/2014 09:25, Martyn Hodgson wrote: A A A A A A - Forwarded Message - A A A A A A From: Martyn Hodgson [5][5][14][18]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk A A A A A A To: Monica Hall [6][6][15][19]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk A A A A Sent: A A Tuesday, 24 A A June 2014, 7:26 A A A A Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A A A A Thanks for this. A A A A A A I was intrigued by the use of the word 'summit' which implied A A A A some A A A A sort A A A A A A of self-proclaimed central authority! A A A A I think that would be about right. Surrounded by worshippers. A A But from what you write, it seems A A A A A A to be/have been more of a social event A A A A A A Martyn A A A A A A A A A A A __ A A A A A A A A From: Monica Hall [7][7][16][20]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk A A A A To: A A Martyn Hodgson [8][8][17][21]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk A A A A Cc: A A Vihuelalist [9][9][18][22]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu A A A A Sent: A A Monday, 23 A A June 2014, 19:29 A A A A Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A A A A A Well it was started a few years ago under the auspices of A A A A Matanya A A A A A A Ophee. A A A A A A Most of the people on it were continental - i.e. from A A A Germany, A A A A and A A A A such A A A A A A like A A A A A A places. A They hold/held a summit meeting in Switzerland A A A every A A A A two A A A A A A years. A A A A A A The last one was in 2012 I think. A A A A A A There used to be a discussion list but messages I have sent A A A A have not A A A A A A got A A A A A A through and I haven't received any for ages. A A A A A A Monica A A A A A A - Original Message - A A A A A A From: Martyn Hodgson A A [1][10][10][19][23]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk A A A A A A To: Monica Hall [2][11][11][20][24]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk; A A A Vihuelalist A A A A A A [3][12][12][21][25]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu A A A A A A Sent
[VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit
Dear all, A Lake Konstanz is a bi-annual international conference on guitar-related research, historical and otherwise. It was established in 2007 by Gerhard Penn and Andreas Stevens.A The next meeting is in 2015. A I was there last year and presented a paper on guitar songs by the composer Pauline Duchambge (1776-1858). There were speakers from many different countries and backgrounds, it was quite interesting and fun. As Lex Eisenhardt mentioned, four or five of the people who recently published in Early Music were there as well, and Matanya Ophee too. A If any of you want to present or just listen it is best to approach Andreas or Gerhard with a proposal. They are quite keen to involve more researchers. I believe there is no website, but there is a rather active facebook page. ([1]https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/131072740286508/) A Best, Jelma van Amersfoort A A On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Lex Eisenhardt [2]eisenha...@planet.nl wrote: Some of you may have seen the 'guitar issues' of Early Music (41/4 A and 42/1). Some of the authors lectured at the 'Lake Konstanz' (Summit) meetings. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens WALSH STUART Verzonden: dinsdag 24 juni 2014 11:54 Aan: Martyn Hodgson; Vihuela Dmth Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit On 24/06/2014 09:25, Martyn Hodgson wrote: A A - Forwarded Message - A A From: Martyn Hodgson [5]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk A A To: Monica Hall [6]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk A A Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2014, 7:26 A A Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A Thanks for this. A A I was intrigued by the use of the word 'summit' which implied some sort A A of self-proclaimed central authority! I think that would be about right. Surrounded by worshippers. But from what you write, it seems A A to be/have been more of a social event A A Martyn A A A __ A A From: Monica Hall [7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk A A To: Martyn Hodgson [8]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk A A Cc: Vihuelalist [9]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu A A Sent: Monday, 23 June 2014, 19:29 A A Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A Well it was started a few years ago under the auspices of Matanya A A Ophee. A A Most of the people on it were continental - i.e. from Germany, and such A A like A A places. A They hold/held a summit meeting in Switzerland every two A A years. A A The last one was in 2012 I think. A A There used to be a discussion list but messages I have sent have not A A got A A through and I haven't received any for ages. A A Monica A A - Original Message - A A From: Martyn Hodgson [1][10]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk A A To: Monica Hall [2][11]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk; Vihuelalist A A [3][12]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu A A Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 6:37 PM A A Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A A To be frank Monica, I've never heard of it! A What is/was it supposed A A to A A A do? A A A Martyn A A __ A A A A A From: Monica Hall [4][13]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk A A A To: Vihuelalist [5][14]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu A A A Sent: Monday, 23 June 2014, 15:30 A A A Subject: [VIHUELA] Guitar Summit A A A A I just wondered whether anyone else on this list is on the Guitar A A A A Summit list and if so whether they ever get any messages. A I A A haven't A A A A had any for months and was wondering whether it is defunct or A A whether A A A I A A A A have been struck off! A A A A Thanks to all A A A A Monica A A A A -- A A A To get on or off this list see list information at A A A [1][6][15]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html A A A A A -- A A A A References A A A A A 1. [7][16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html A A A A -- References A A 1. mailto:[17]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk A A 2. mailto:[18]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk A A 3. mailto:[19]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu A A 4. mailto:[20]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk A A 5. mailto:[21]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu A A 6. [22]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html A A 7. [23]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. [24]http
[VIHUELA] Re: R- or B-guitar kit?
Hello David Here's a kit for a renaissance guitar: http://www.renwks.com/products/guitar_ren.htm. A member of the Early Guitar Ning made this kit, I believe. They used to have a baroque guitar kit too, but I don't see that one on the website anymore. Hartelijke groeten, Jelma On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:52 PM, David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: Collected Wisdom A guitar colleague of mine is looking for a Renaissance or Baroque guitar kit. DIY wishes. Any advice or suggestions for him? David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: b-guitar hero
Hi David and others Have a look at Izhar Elias playing Legnani on an original 19th century guitar, walking on the stage :-)) And my best wishes for 2009 to everyone too! Jelma van Amersfoort On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 9:01 AM, David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: Slightly OT. Yesterday I was playing baroque guitar in he opening choir of the fifth cantata of Bach's Christmas Oratorio. Changed many orchestra members' idea of the piece in the process, btw: off-beat strumming and golpe on the rests in the bass was not what they were used to. ;-) It was a small band: four violins, viola, cello, double bass, two oboe, bassoon, cembalo and just four singers. Everybody except the cello, double bass and cembalo where standing up. I was standing up too. Standing up I blended better, had better projection and better visibility. While I was strumming away looking at the 500+ audience, I couldn't help feeling like a pop guitar hero, and it was very hard not to move like one. I'm not a pop guitar player at all, but the association with strumming-chords-while-standing was very strong. Just some observations. David - holidays for a full week! -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: b-guitar hero
And here is the link to go with that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jJHJ1wfQZQ Jelma (verstrooid) van Amersfoort On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 9:01 AM, David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: Slightly OT. Yesterday I was playing baroque guitar in he opening choir of the fifth cantata of Bach's Christmas Oratorio. Changed many orchestra members' idea of the piece in the process, btw: off-beat strumming and golpe on the rests in the bass was not what they were used to. ;-) It was a small band: four violins, viola, cello, double bass, two oboe, bassoon, cembalo and just four singers. Everybody except the cello, double bass and cembalo where standing up. I was standing up too. Standing up I blended better, had better projection and better visibility. While I was strumming away looking at the 500+ audience, I couldn't help feeling like a pop guitar hero, and it was very hard not to move like one. I'm not a pop guitar player at all, but the association with strumming-chords-while-standing was very strong. Just some observations. David - holidays for a full week! -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Chitarrone Francese
Hello Timo I know of three original guitars that look like Faria's. The first one is even for sale: http://www.renard-music.com/selectficheinstrument.php3?148 and two in the Cité de la Musique, inventory numbers E.980.2.296 and E.980.2.297 http://www.cite-musique.fr/anglais/musee/collections.html Jelma van Amersfoort === On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Peedu Timo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is one solution http://www.lucianofaria.com/ Go to the guitar page and scroll down a little. This may be somewhat late for earlier continuo, plus it's single strung and has six strings on fingerboard. Has anybody seen the original or picture of it? Timo Lähettäjä: Rob MacKillop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lähetetty: su 24.8.2008 9:43 Vastaanottaja: Monica Hall Kopio: Vihuelalist Aihe: [VIHUELA] Re: Chitarrone Francese Thanks, Monica. I only have time for maybe one piece by each composer, so if you could post me copies or jpgs that would be great. Regarding the question of body shape - guitar or lute - I have no fixed or learned opinion, but I imagine different luthiers tried different things. The guitar shape is an obvious one to start with, as what we are considering is a guitar with diapasons added. However, the baroque guitar shape is not conducive to a longer bridge on the bass side. The lute shape is better in this regard. So it might be possible that some luthiers preferred a lute shape for their arch-guitars. We might never know. The Grammatica painting shows only five courses on the fretboard, and this would be an odd thing to do for an archlute - and the painting is otherwise very detailed, so I think the artist was being accurate. I can see the desire of some baroque guitar players to want to play the role that their lute-playing colleagues were doing in the continuo section, playing bass lines and chords. Having an archlute in guitar tuning would be an obvious step for some, I guess. Anyway, I'm looking forward to experimenting with it for a week. Rob 2008/8/23 Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well - I have the Granata book and Gallot and so could send you some of the pieces if you haven't got these. The Gallot has the strings on the fingerboard tuned to a major major common chord rather than the usual guitar intervals. I am bit curious about this though because according to Gary Boye there is a copy of Granata's 1651 book which has an additional engraved portrait of Granata with in the background what appears to be a guitar with extended bass strings. I did query with him whether the instrument was guitar shaped rather than lute shaped. He said it was guitar shaped but couldn't find his copy of the illustration. In his dissertation he gives the RISM sigla of the book as F:C. I'm not sure whether by this he means the Conservatorio Library in Florence or an obscure library in France. Has anyone else seen this copy? It also seems that Granata applied to be a super numerary lutenist to the Concerto Palatino of San Petronio in Bologna. Monica - Original Message - From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vihuela [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 5:57 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Chitarrone Francese The German luthier, Wolfgang Emmerich has made a copy of the instrument from the Grammatica painting, which some believe to be a Chitarrone Francese - a sort of archlute for guitar players. The painting has only five courses on the fretboard. Robert Spencer thought the music by Fontanelli, the Sonate per il Chitarrone Francese, was for this instrument. Richard Pinnell has identified the music of Granata and Gallot also for this instrument. Now, Wolfgang is visiting Edinburgh in September and is leaving the instrument with me for a week before he takes it home. I hope to make an mp3 or two and maybe a video of it before I hand it back. So, could someone please send me a jpg or two of some pieces I might be able to play on it? I'm not in the market for such an instrument, but having it for a week is very interesting. You can see pictures of the original painting on Wolfgang's website: [1][4]http://www.zupfinstrumente-emmerich.de/English/index.htm - click on archlute and scroll down. Rob MacKillop -- References 1. [5]http://www.zupfinstrumente-emmerich.de/English/index.htm To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.zupfinstrumente-emmerich.de/English/index.htm 5. http://www.zupfinstrumente-emmerich.de/English/index.htm 6. http
