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Yes, the conferences in my own professional field that are most respected, that attract the greatest numbers of quality presenters, are of course those that publish abstracts/proceedings. Even better are those with some kind of peer-review process for abstract submissions to be accepted prior to acceptance for presentation. THAT's a research conference. I'm not certain, however, that's the intent Penn and Stevens have for this smallish gathering. Eugene From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of AJN [arthurjn...@verizon.net] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 10:55 PM To: Braig, Eugene; vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Dear Eugene, Sorry. I did not intend to suggest you intended to mislead this newsgroup by suggesting that Rasch's anthology was a collection of essays (plural) from the Guitar Summit. At least one other reader and I at first believed that from your message. The Boccherini article on the guitar quintets in Rasch's anthology was apparently presented at the 2013 (not 2014) Guitar Summit. Otherwise there were no other Guitar Summit papers in the anthology. I saw a list of papers for the 2014 conference, but it has since been removed from the web site. As I noted at that time, the owners Penn and Stevens act as referees in selecting papers for the research conference. Since Penn and Stevens apparently are not interested in publishing the papers (or even abstracts) in some form (not even online), one cannot judge the Guitar Summit and the quality of their research. I lived for six months in a town on the Bodensee, and often visited Konstanz. Like you, I doubt nostalgia would be enough to draw me back for the Guitar Summit. (Better tourist goals are Meersburg, or the Zeppelins at Ludwigshafen!! Or for a real summit, Hohentwiel bei Singen-- three times I rode my bicycle 20 miles and climbed up there, I was so fascinated with the views. One could see for 50 miles--but no Boccherini guitar quintet was in view.) Heinrich Albert (1870-1950)? AJN On 06/27/14, Braig, Eugenebrai...@osu.edu wrote: Yes, I do not intend to mislead. I have been told the guitar article was presented by an attendee at the last Lake Konstanz meeting as posted to the Facebook group. As clearly stated, I have never attended in person and am not likely to do so any year soon. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[2]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of AJN Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 6:13 PM To: [3]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk; Braig, Eugene; [4]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Eugene's information is misleading. _*Understanding Boccherini's Manuscripts*_ edited by prolific Dutch Musicologist (U of Utrecht, emeritus) Rudof Rasch contains only a single article on guitar, namely one about Boccherini's still problematic guitar quintets. The author writes ... some are not enthusiastic about [my] article whose punch line is that there is no documented evidence . . . (Guitar Summit, 2013). This collection of essays probably drew inspiration from the Boccherini Conferences in Lucca, and the much ballyhooed forthcoming Boccherini critical collected edition. Editor Rasch, a recognized Boccherini authority, remarks that in his chapter overview ... the guitar quintets . . . will be mainly passed by. (page 2). Certainly the book is not from the Guitar Summit group from Konstanz. The owners of the conference are Gerhard Penn (Austrian) and Andreas Stevens (Swiss). Stevens has an on-line life and works study of Heinrich Albert (1870-1950)g AJN --- n 06/27/14, Martyn Hodgson[5]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Thank you for this Eugene. I wonder if he did really present a paper of the entire book (258 pages) - who knows? regards, Martyn __ From: Braig, Eugene [1][6]brai...@osu.edu To: Vihuelalist [2][7]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, 26 June 2014, 19:35 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit There is at least this that was presented at the last Lake Konstanz meeting: [1][3][8]http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Boccherinis-Manuscripts-Ru dol f-R asch/dp/1443856630 Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: [2][4][9]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3][5][10]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 2:30 PM To: Martyn Hodgson Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit I did actually ask if abstracts of the papers could be made available purely as a matter of ineterest - but got no response. Perhaps
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To be honest - even if these articles are read by outside readers there is no guarantee that they are gold standard. I do get asked to peer review things. What happens is that you write your comments and recommendations but the editor decides whether the article is acceptable as it is or whether the writer should be asked to make any changes. I have also had things I have written myself peer reviewed and rejected by people who didn't know what they were talking about! (and subsequently published by someone else)! At the end of the day - anyone can get a group of likeminded peole together for a conferance and call it what they like. And with the internet anyone can publish whatever they like however bizarre it may be. It is really a matter of caveat emptor. You need to evaluate everything that you read and check all the information for yourself. It goes without saying that you should never copy anyone elses work without checking sources and ensuring that it is accurate. The problem today is that most people don't - a lot of what passes for original research today is just a rehash of other peoples work - often written so long ago as to be completely obsolete. As Pontius Pilate said What is truth?. Monica - Original Message - From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit As I understand it, the (9!) guitar related articles in Early Music 41/4 and 42/1 were all reviewed by outside readers. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: woensdag 25 juni 2014 10:59 Aan: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene CC: Vihuelalist Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Well yes... though if papers are presented, but not disseminated by the 'Summit' and/or are not peer reviewed is there not the problem (alas too common) of mere speculation being transformed into generally accepted fact? Martyn __ From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 7:08 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit That sums it up very nicely. Both the list and the Lake Konstanz meeting were opportunities for guitar enthusiasts to get together to discuss their interests. No need for any peer reviewing or the like. Monica - Original Message - From: Braig, Eugene [1]brai...@osu.edu To: Vihuela Dmth [2]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit The word s u b s c r i b e r ended up robot flagging my last note for redirection. Here it is again with the offending word deleted. E -Original Message- From: Braig, Eugene Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:59 PM To: Vihuela Dmth Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit I think more people are reading more into this thing than they should. While many contributors coincide, the Lake Konstanz Guitar Research Meeting operated independently of the Topica Guitar Summit. You can see a concise summary of what the Lake Konstanz/Constance meeting is at the bottom this GFA page: [3]http://www.guitarfoundation.org/?ArchForums . . . as well as the organizers' own Facebook group: [4]https://www.facebook.com/groups/131072740286508/. I've never managed to attend the Lake Konstanz meeting in person. The Guitar Summit was a discussion forum (not unlike the present suite of Dartmouth lute lists) that was hosted by Topica beginning in 2007. However, it went through earlier incarnations hosted by a couple different online services (most notably as the Classical Guitar History List) that slightly predate the first Lake Konstanz meeting. I have been a spotty contributor to each iteration of the discussion fora/listservs since 2005. When I was active there, there was a great deal of discussion centered on transitional periods at either end of the 19th c. Yes, Matanya Ophee served as an organizing hub for these listservs; his contributions to and prominent voice in this particular arena are hard to deny, whatever your opinion of them are. Still, at its core, the summit was really only a listserv of guitar geeks (like me), scholars, and professional performers who liked to ask interesting questions of a collective body of knowledge (I tended to do more asking than ans! wering). Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: [5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of jelmaa Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:43 PM To: Martyn Hodgson Cc: Vihuela Dmth Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Hi Martin
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Good point for mr. Pilatus! Nevertheless, the recent articles in EM generally seem well researched and they are worthwhile reading. I haven't read the book on Boccherini's manuscripts yet, but Cambridge Scholars Publishing and the book editor (Rudof Rasch) have a very good scholarly reputation. Lex -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Monica Hall Verzonden: vrijdag 27 juni 2014 9:42 Aan: Lex Eisenhardt CC: Vihuelalist Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit To be honest - even if these articles are read by outside readers there is no guarantee that they are gold standard. I do get asked to peer review things. What happens is that you write your comments and recommendations but the editor decides whether the article is acceptable as it is or whether the writer should be asked to make any changes. I have also had things I have written myself peer reviewed and rejected by people who didn't know what they were talking about! (and subsequently published by someone else)! At the end of the day - anyone can get a group of likeminded peole together for a conferance and call it what they like. And with the internet anyone can publish whatever they like however bizarre it may be. It is really a matter of caveat emptor. You need to evaluate everything that you read and check all the information for yourself. It goes without saying that you should never copy anyone elses work without checking sources and ensuring that it is accurate. The problem today is that most people don't - a lot of what passes for original research today is just a rehash of other peoples work - often written so long ago as to be completely obsolete. As Pontius Pilate said What is truth?. Monica - Original Message - From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit As I understand it, the (9!) guitar related articles in Early Music 41/4 and 42/1 were all reviewed by outside readers. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: woensdag 25 juni 2014 10:59 Aan: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene CC: Vihuelalist Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Well yes... though if papers are presented, but not disseminated by the 'Summit' and/or are not peer reviewed is there not the problem (alas too common) of mere speculation being transformed into generally accepted fact? Martyn __ From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 7:08 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit That sums it up very nicely. Both the list and the Lake Konstanz meeting were opportunities for guitar enthusiasts to get together to discuss their interests. No need for any peer reviewing or the like. Monica - Original Message - From: Braig, Eugene [1]brai...@osu.edu To: Vihuela Dmth [2]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit The word s u b s c r i b e r ended up robot flagging my last note for redirection. Here it is again with the offending word deleted. E -Original Message- From: Braig, Eugene Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:59 PM To: Vihuela Dmth Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit I think more people are reading more into this thing than they should. While many contributors coincide, the Lake Konstanz Guitar Research Meeting operated independently of the Topica Guitar Summit. You can see a concise summary of what the Lake Konstanz/Constance meeting is at the bottom this GFA page: [3]http://www.guitarfoundation.org/?ArchForums . . . as well as the organizers' own Facebook group: [4]https://www.facebook.com/groups/131072740286508/. I've never managed to attend the Lake Konstanz meeting in person. The Guitar Summit was a discussion forum (not unlike the present suite of Dartmouth lute lists) that was hosted by Topica beginning in 2007. However, it went through earlier incarnations hosted by a couple different online services (most notably as the Classical Guitar History List) that slightly predate the first Lake Konstanz meeting. I have been a spotty contributor to each iteration of the discussion fora/listservs since 2005. When I was active there, there was a great deal of discussion centered on transitional periods at either end of the 19th c. Yes, Matanya Ophee served as an organizing hub for these listservs; his contributions to and prominent voice in this particular arena are hard to deny
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An academic on the day job, I recognize flaws inherent in the peer-review process, that randomly sampling the wrong set from a population of potential reviewers can have substantial subjective impacts on whether or not a thing comes to be published. However, I do operate on both sides of the process (more often as reviewer) and also recognize that it tends to make contributions to any academic field generally stronger and more defensible. I suspect dealing with fish, ecology, and statistical procedures better lends itself to a purer objectivity than dealing with historic performance practices that have to depend upon a certain amount of speculation and conjecture. Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 3:42 AM To: Lex Eisenhardt Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit To be honest - even if these articles are read by outside readers there is no guarantee that they are gold standard. I do get asked to peer review things. What happens is that you write your comments and recommendations but the editor decides whether the article is acceptable as it is or whether the writer should be asked to make any changes. I have also had things I have written myself peer reviewed and rejected by people who didn't know what they were talking about! (and subsequently published by someone else)! At the end of the day - anyone can get a group of likeminded peole together for a conferance and call it what they like. And with the internet anyone can publish whatever they like however bizarre it may be. It is really a matter of caveat emptor. You need to evaluate everything that you read and check all the information for yourself. It goes without saying that you should never copy anyone elses work without checking sources and ensuring that it is accurate. The problem today is that most people don't - a lot of what passes for original research today is just a rehash of other peoples work - often written so long ago as to be completely obsolete. As Pontius Pilate said What is truth?. Monica - Original Message - From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit As I understand it, the (9!) guitar related articles in Early Music 41/4 and 42/1 were all reviewed by outside readers. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: woensdag 25 juni 2014 10:59 Aan: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene CC: Vihuelalist Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Well yes... though if papers are presented, but not disseminated by the 'Summit' and/or are not peer reviewed is there not the problem (alas too common) of mere speculation being transformed into generally accepted fact? Martyn __ From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 7:08 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit That sums it up very nicely. Both the list and the Lake Konstanz meeting were opportunities for guitar enthusiasts to get together to discuss their interests. No need for any peer reviewing or the like. Monica - Original Message - From: Braig, Eugene [1]brai...@osu.edu To: Vihuela Dmth [2]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit The word s u b s c r i b e r ended up robot flagging my last note for redirection. Here it is again with the offending word deleted. E -Original Message- From: Braig, Eugene Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:59 PM To: Vihuela Dmth Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit I think more people are reading more into this thing than they should. While many contributors coincide, the Lake Konstanz Guitar Research Meeting operated independently of the Topica Guitar Summit. You can see a concise summary of what the Lake Konstanz/Constance meeting is at the bottom this GFA page: [3]http://www.guitarfoundation.org/?ArchForums . . . as well as the organizers' own Facebook group: [4]https://www.facebook.com/groups/131072740286508/. I've never managed to attend the Lake Konstanz meeting in person. The Guitar Summit was a discussion forum (not unlike the present suite of Dartmouth lute lists) that was hosted by Topica beginning in 2007. However, it went through earlier incarnations hosted by a couple different online services (most notably as the Classical Guitar History List) that slightly predate the first Lake Konstanz meeting. I have been
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How right you are. The problem with historic performance practices is that most of what is written about them is nothing more than speculation and conjecture. Unfortunately people are not willing to admit this and will fight to the death over things which will be forever unknown. Monica - Original Message - From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 3:31 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit An academic on the day job, I recognize flaws inherent in the peer-review process, that randomly sampling the wrong set from a population of potential reviewers can have substantial subjective impacts on whether or not a thing comes to be published. However, I do operate on both sides of the process (more often as reviewer) and also recognize that it tends to make contributions to any academic field generally stronger and more defensible. I suspect dealing with fish, ecology, and statistical procedures better lends itself to a purer objectivity than dealing with historic performance practices that have to depend upon a certain amount of speculation and conjecture. Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 3:42 AM To: Lex Eisenhardt Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit To be honest - even if these articles are read by outside readers there is no guarantee that they are gold standard. I do get asked to peer review things. What happens is that you write your comments and recommendations but the editor decides whether the article is acceptable as it is or whether the writer should be asked to make any changes. I have also had things I have written myself peer reviewed and rejected by people who didn't know what they were talking about! (and subsequently published by someone else)! At the end of the day - anyone can get a group of likeminded peole together for a conferance and call it what they like. And with the internet anyone can publish whatever they like however bizarre it may be. It is really a matter of caveat emptor. You need to evaluate everything that you read and check all the information for yourself. It goes without saying that you should never copy anyone elses work without checking sources and ensuring that it is accurate. The problem today is that most people don't - a lot of what passes for original research today is just a rehash of other peoples work - often written so long ago as to be completely obsolete. As Pontius Pilate said What is truth?. Monica - Original Message - From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit As I understand it, the (9!) guitar related articles in Early Music 41/4 and 42/1 were all reviewed by outside readers. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: woensdag 25 juni 2014 10:59 Aan: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene CC: Vihuelalist Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Well yes... though if papers are presented, but not disseminated by the 'Summit' and/or are not peer reviewed is there not the problem (alas too common) of mere speculation being transformed into generally accepted fact? Martyn __ From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 7:08 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit That sums it up very nicely. Both the list and the Lake Konstanz meeting were opportunities for guitar enthusiasts to get together to discuss their interests. No need for any peer reviewing or the like. Monica - Original Message - From: Braig, Eugene [1]brai...@osu.edu To: Vihuela Dmth [2]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit The word s u b s c r i b e r ended up robot flagging my last note for redirection. Here it is again with the offending word deleted. E -Original Message- From: Braig, Eugene Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:59 PM To: Vihuela Dmth Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit I think more people are reading more into this thing than they should. While many contributors coincide, the Lake Konstanz Guitar Research Meeting operated independently of the Topica Guitar Summit. You can see a concise summary of what the Lake Konstanz/Constance meeting is at the bottom this GFA page: [3]http://www.guitarfoundation.org/?ArchForums . . . as well as the organizers' own Facebook group: [4]https://www.facebook.com/groups/131072740286508/. I've never managed to attend the Lake Konstanz meeting
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Indeed. Eugene -Original Message- From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 10:38 AM To: Braig, Eugene Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit How right you are. The problem with historic performance practices is that most of what is written about them is nothing more than speculation and conjecture. Unfortunately people are not willing to admit this and will fight to the death over things which will be forever unknown. Monica - Original Message - From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 3:31 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit An academic on the day job, I recognize flaws inherent in the peer-review process, that randomly sampling the wrong set from a population of potential reviewers can have substantial subjective impacts on whether or not a thing comes to be published. However, I do operate on both sides of the process (more often as reviewer) and also recognize that it tends to make contributions to any academic field generally stronger and more defensible. I suspect dealing with fish, ecology, and statistical procedures better lends itself to a purer objectivity than dealing with historic performance practices that have to depend upon a certain amount of speculation and conjecture. Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 3:42 AM To: Lex Eisenhardt Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit To be honest - even if these articles are read by outside readers there is no guarantee that they are gold standard. I do get asked to peer review things. What happens is that you write your comments and recommendations but the editor decides whether the article is acceptable as it is or whether the writer should be asked to make any changes. I have also had things I have written myself peer reviewed and rejected by people who didn't know what they were talking about! (and subsequently published by someone else)! At the end of the day - anyone can get a group of likeminded peole together for a conferance and call it what they like. And with the internet anyone can publish whatever they like however bizarre it may be. It is really a matter of caveat emptor. You need to evaluate everything that you read and check all the information for yourself. It goes without saying that you should never copy anyone elses work without checking sources and ensuring that it is accurate. The problem today is that most people don't - a lot of what passes for original research today is just a rehash of other peoples work - often written so long ago as to be completely obsolete. As Pontius Pilate said What is truth?. Monica - Original Message - From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit As I understand it, the (9!) guitar related articles in Early Music 41/4 and 42/1 were all reviewed by outside readers. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: woensdag 25 juni 2014 10:59 Aan: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene CC: Vihuelalist Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Well yes... though if papers are presented, but not disseminated by the 'Summit' and/or are not peer reviewed is there not the problem (alas too common) of mere speculation being transformed into generally accepted fact? Martyn __ From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 7:08 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit That sums it up very nicely. Both the list and the Lake Konstanz meeting were opportunities for guitar enthusiasts to get together to discuss their interests. No need for any peer reviewing or the like. Monica - Original Message - From: Braig, Eugene [1]brai...@osu.edu To: Vihuela Dmth [2]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit The word s u b s c r i b e r ended up robot flagging my last note for redirection. Here it is again with the offending word deleted. E -Original Message- From: Braig, Eugene Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:59 PM To: Vihuela Dmth Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit I think more people are reading more into this thing than they should. While many contributors coincide, the Lake Konstanz Guitar Research Meeting operated independently of the Topica Guitar Summit. You can see a concise summary
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On 27/06/2014 15:38, Monica Hall wrote: How right you are. The problem with historic performance practices is that most of what is written about them is nothing more than speculation and conjecture. Unfortunately people are not willing to admit this and will fight to the death over things which will be forever unknown. I suspect you would fight to the death, Monica, to defend the utter and complete unknowability of certain Baroque guitar practices! Stuart Monica - Original Message - From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 3:31 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit An academic on the day job, I recognize flaws inherent in the peer-review process, that randomly sampling the wrong set from a population of potential reviewers can have substantial subjective impacts on whether or not a thing comes to be published. However, I do operate on both sides of the process (more often as reviewer) and also recognize that it tends to make contributions to any academic field generally stronger and more defensible. I suspect dealing with fish, ecology, and statistical procedures better lends itself to a purer objectivity than dealing with historic performance practices that have to depend upon a certain amount of speculation and conjecture. Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 3:42 AM To: Lex Eisenhardt Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit To be honest - even if these articles are read by outside readers there is no guarantee that they are gold standard. I do get asked to peer review things. What happens is that you write your comments and recommendations but the editor decides whether the article is acceptable as it is or whether the writer should be asked to make any changes. I have also had things I have written myself peer reviewed and rejected by people who didn't know what they were talking about! (and subsequently published by someone else)! At the end of the day - anyone can get a group of likeminded peole together for a conferance and call it what they like. And with the internet anyone can publish whatever they like however bizarre it may be. It is really a matter of caveat emptor. You need to evaluate everything that you read and check all the information for yourself. It goes without saying that you should never copy anyone elses work without checking sources and ensuring that it is accurate. The problem today is that most people don't - a lot of what passes for original research today is just a rehash of other peoples work - often written so long ago as to be completely obsolete. As Pontius Pilate said What is truth?. Monica - Original Message - From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit As I understand it, the (9!) guitar related articles in Early Music 41/4 and 42/1 were all reviewed by outside readers. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: woensdag 25 juni 2014 10:59 Aan: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene CC: Vihuelalist Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Well yes... though if papers are presented, but not disseminated by the 'Summit' and/or are not peer reviewed is there not the problem (alas too common) of mere speculation being transformed into generally accepted fact? Martyn __ From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 7:08 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit That sums it up very nicely. Both the list and the Lake Konstanz meeting were opportunities for guitar enthusiasts to get together to discuss their interests. No need for any peer reviewing or the like. Monica - Original Message - From: Braig, Eugene [1]brai...@osu.edu To: Vihuela Dmth [2]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit The word s u b s c r i b e r ended up robot flagging my last note for redirection. Here it is again with the offending word deleted. E -Original Message- From: Braig, Eugene Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:59 PM To: Vihuela Dmth Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit I think more people are reading more into this thing than they should. While many contributors coincide, the Lake Konstanz Guitar Research Meeting operated independently of the Topica Guitar Summit. You can see a concise summary of what the Lake Konstanz/Constance meeting is at the bottom this GFA page: [3]http
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Eugene's information is misleading. _*Understanding Boccherini's Manuscripts*_ edited by prolific Dutch Musicologist (U of Utrecht, emeritus) Rudof Rasch contains only a single article on guitar, namely one about Boccherini's still problematic guitar quintets. The author writes ... some are not enthusiastic about [my] article whose punch line is that there is no documented evidence . . . (Guitar Summit, 2013). This collection of essays probably drew inspiration from the Boccherini Conferences in Lucca, and the much ballyhooed forthcoming Boccherini critical collected edition. Editor Rasch, a recognized Boccherini authority, remarks that in his chapter overview ... the guitar quintets . . . will be mainly passed by. (page 2). Certainly the book is not from the Guitar Summit group from Konstanz. The owners of the conference are Gerhard Penn (Austrian) and Andreas Stevens (Swiss). Stevens has an on-line life and works study of Heinrich Albert (1870-1950)g AJN --- n 06/27/14, Martyn Hodgsonhodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Thank you for this Eugene. I wonder if he did really present a paper of the entire book (258 pages) - who knows? regards, Martyn __ From: Braig, Eugene [1]brai...@osu.edu To: Vihuelalist [2]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, 26 June 2014, 19:35 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit There is at least this that was presented at the last Lake Konstanz meeting: [1][3]http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Boccherinis-Manuscripts-Rudol f-R asch/dp/1443856630 Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: [2][4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3][5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 2:30 PM To: Martyn Hodgson Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit I did actually ask if abstracts of the papers could be made available purely as a matter of ineterest - but got no response. Perhaps the organizers haven't got time - but really contributors should be asked to provide these preferably in advance as a matter of course There did seem to me to be an aura cronyism about the affair. . Monica - Original Message -[433][440][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.htm l 214. [434][441][7]http://www.avast.com/ -- References 1. mailto:[442][8]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. mailto:[443][9]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:[444][10]jel...@gmail.com 4. mailto:[445][11]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 5. mailto:[446][12]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 6. mailto:[447][13]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. mailto:[448][14]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 8. mailto:[449][15]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 9. mailto:[450][16]brai...@osu.edu 10. mailto:[451][17]vihu...@cs.dart References 1. mailto:brai...@osu.edu 2. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Boccherinis-Manuscripts-Rudolf-R 4. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/ 7. http://www.avast.com/ 8. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 9. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 10. mailto:jel...@gmail.com 11. mailto:hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 12. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 13. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 14. mailto:hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 15. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 16. mailto:brai...@osu.edu 17. mailto:[451]vihu...@cs.dart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Dear Eugene, Sorry. I did not intend to suggest you intended to mislead this newsgroup by suggesting that Rasch's anthology was a collection of essays (plural) from the Guitar Summit. At least one other reader and I at first believed that from your message. The Boccherini article on the guitar quintets in Rasch's anthology was apparently presented at the 2013 (not 2014) Guitar Summit. Otherwise there were no other Guitar Summit papers in the anthology. I saw a list of papers for the 2014 conference, but it has since been removed from the web site. As I noted at that time, the owners Penn and Stevens act as referees in selecting papers for the research conference. Since Penn and Stevens apparently are not interested in publishing the papers (or even abstracts) in some form (not even online), one cannot judge the Guitar Summit and the quality of their research. I lived for six months in a town on the Bodensee, and often visited Konstanz. Like you, I doubt nostalgia would be enough to draw me back for the Guitar Summit. (Better tourist goals are Meersburg, or the Zeppelins at Ludwigshafen!! Or for a real summit, Hohentwiel bei Singen-- three times I rode my bicycle 20 miles and climbed up there, I was so fascinated with the views. One could see for 50 miles--but no Boccherini guitar quintet was in view.) Heinrich Albert (1870-1950)? AJN On 06/27/14, Braig, Eugenebrai...@osu.edu wrote: Yes, I do not intend to mislead. I have been told the guitar article was presented by an attendee at the last Lake Konstanz meeting as posted to the Facebook group. As clearly stated, I have never attended in person and am not likely to do so any year soon. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[2]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of AJN Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 6:13 PM To: [3]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk; Braig, Eugene; [4]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Eugene's information is misleading. _*Understanding Boccherini's Manuscripts*_ edited by prolific Dutch Musicologist (U of Utrecht, emeritus) Rudof Rasch contains only a single article on guitar, namely one about Boccherini's still problematic guitar quintets. The author writes ... some are not enthusiastic about [my] article whose punch line is that there is no documented evidence . . . (Guitar Summit, 2013). This collection of essays probably drew inspiration from the Boccherini Conferences in Lucca, and the much ballyhooed forthcoming Boccherini critical collected edition. Editor Rasch, a recognized Boccherini authority, remarks that in his chapter overview ... the guitar quintets . . . will be mainly passed by. (page 2). Certainly the book is not from the Guitar Summit group from Konstanz. The owners of the conference are Gerhard Penn (Austrian) and Andreas Stevens (Swiss). Stevens has an on-line life and works study of Heinrich Albert (1870-1950)g AJN --- n 06/27/14, Martyn Hodgson[5]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Thank you for this Eugene. I wonder if he did really present a paper of the entire book (258 pages) - who knows? regards, Martyn __ From: Braig, Eugene [1][6]brai...@osu.edu To: Vihuelalist [2][7]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, 26 June 2014, 19:35 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit There is at least this that was presented at the last Lake Konstanz meeting: [1][3][8]http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Boccherinis-Manuscripts-Ru dol f-R asch/dp/1443856630 Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: [2][4][9]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3][5][10]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 2:30 PM To: Martyn Hodgson Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit I did actually ask if abstracts of the papers could be made available purely as a matter of ineterest - but got no response. Perhaps the organizers haven't got time - but really contributors should be asked to provide these preferably in advance as a matter of course There did seem to me to be an aura cronyism about the affair. . Monica - Original Message -[433][440][6][11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index .htm l 214. [434][441][7][12]http://www.avast.com/ -- References 1. mailto:[442][8][13]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. mailto:[443][9][14]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:[444][10][15]jel...@gmail.com 4. mailto:[445][11][16]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 5. mailto:[446][12][17]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 6. mailto:[447][13][18]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. mailto
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That sums it up very nicely. Both the list and the Lake Konstanz meeting were opportunities for guitar enthusiasts to get together to discuss their interests. No need for any peer reviewing or the like. Monica - Original Message - From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu To: Vihuela Dmth vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit The word s u b s c r i b e r ended up robot flagging my last note for redirection. Here it is again with the offending word deleted. E -Original Message- From: Braig, Eugene Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:59 PM To: Vihuela Dmth Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit I think more people are reading more into this thing than they should. While many contributors coincide, the Lake Konstanz Guitar Research Meeting operated independently of the Topica Guitar Summit. You can see a concise summary of what the Lake Konstanz/Constance meeting is at the bottom this GFA page: http://www.guitarfoundation.org/?ArchForums . . . as well as the organizers' own Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/131072740286508/. I've never managed to attend the Lake Konstanz meeting in person. The Guitar Summit was a discussion forum (not unlike the present suite of Dartmouth lute lists) that was hosted by Topica beginning in 2007. However, it went through earlier incarnations hosted by a couple different online services (most notably as the Classical Guitar History List) that slightly predate the first Lake Konstanz meeting. I have been a spotty contributor to each iteration of the discussion fora/listservs since 2005. When I was active there, there was a great deal of discussion centered on transitional periods at either end of the 19th c. Yes, Matanya Ophee served as an organizing hub for these listservs; his contributions to and prominent voice in this particular arena are hard to deny, whatever your opinion of them are. Still, at its core, the summit was really only a listserv of guitar geeks (like me), scholars, and professional performers who liked to ask interesting questions of a collective body of knowledge (I tended to do more asking than ans! wering). Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of jelmaa Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:43 PM To: Martyn Hodgson Cc: Vihuela Dmth Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Hi Martin and others, No, the papers are not peer reviewed and not published by the organizers, but I know many of them end up in journals later through the efforts of the individual researchers. A list of speakers and subjects is published though (I believe). You should really contact Andreas about that if you want to know more. Best, Jelma On Jun 24, 2014, at 17:26 , Martyn Hodgson wrote: Thank you Jelma. Do you know if this 'Summit' ever publish any of these papers or are they available as downloads? Were they peer reviewed? regards Martyn __ From: Jelma van Amersfoort jel...@gmail.com To: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl Cc: Vihuela Dmth vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2014, 11:31 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Dear all, A Lake Konstanz is a bi-annual international conference on guitar-related research, historical and otherwise. It was established in 2007 by Gerhard Penn and Andreas Stevens.A The next meeting is in 2015. A I was there last year and presented a paper on guitar songs by the composer Pauline Duchambge (1776-1858). There were speakers from many different countries and backgrounds, it was quite interesting and fun. As Lex Eisenhardt mentioned, four or five of the people who recently published in Early Music were there as well, and Matanya Ophee too. A If any of you want to present or just listen it is best to approach Andreas or Gerhard with a proposal. They are quite keen to involve more researchers. I believe there is no website, but there is a rather active facebook page. ([1][1]https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/131072740286508/) A Best, Jelma van Amersfoort A A On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Lex Eisenhardt [2][2]eisenha...@planet.nl wrote: Some of you may have seen the 'guitar issues' of Early Music (41/4 A and 42/1). Some of the authors lectured at the 'Lake Konstanz' (Summit) meetings. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [3][3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[4][4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens WALSH STUART Verzonden: dinsdag 24 juni 2014 11:54 Aan: Martyn Hodgson; Vihuela Dmth Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit On 24/06/2014 09:25, Martyn Hodgson wrote: A A - Forwarded Message - A A From: Martyn Hodgson [5][5]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
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guitar enthusiasts.That is not what I wrote. I have no opinion on the Summit List, but the Lake Konstanz meeting is attended by serious scholars, playersA and publishers as well as the usual assortment of kooks. A Jelma On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Monica Hall [1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: That sums it up very nicely. A Both the list and the Lake Konstanz meeting were opportunities for guitar enthusiasts to get together to discuss their interests. A No need for any peer reviewing or the like. Monica - Original Message - From: Braig, Eugene [2]brai...@osu.edu To: Vihuela Dmth [3]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit The word s u b s c r i b e r ended up robot flagging my last note for redirection. A Here it is again with the offending word deleted. E -Original Message- From: Braig, Eugene Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:59 PM To: Vihuela Dmth Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit I think more people are reading more into this thing than they should. While many contributors coincide, the Lake Konstanz Guitar Research Meeting operated independently of the Topica Guitar Summit. A You can see a concise summary of what the Lake Konstanz/Constance meeting is at the bottom this GFA page: [4]http://www.guitarfoundation.org/?ArchForums . . . as well as the organizers' own Facebook group: [5]https://www.facebook.com/groups/131072740286508/. A I've never managed to attend the Lake Konstanz meeting in person. The Guitar Summit was a discussion forum (not unlike the present suite of Dartmouth lute lists) that was hosted by Topica beginning in 2007. However, it went through earlier incarnations hosted by a couple different online services (most notably as the Classical Guitar History List) that slightly predate the first Lake Konstanz meeting. A I have been a spotty contributor to each iteration of the discussion fora/listservs since 2005. When I was active there, there was a great deal of discussion centered on transitional periods at either end of the 19th c. A Yes, Matanya Ophee served as an organizing hub for these listservs; his contributions to and prominent voice in this particular arena are hard to deny, whatever your opinion of them are. A Still, at its core, the summit was really only a listserv of guitar geeks (like me), scholars, and professional performers who liked to ask interesting questions of a collective body of knowledge (I tended to do more asking than ans! wering). Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: [6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[7]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of jelmaa Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:43 PM To: Martyn Hodgson Cc: Vihuela Dmth Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Hi Martin and others, No, the papers are not peer reviewed and not published by the organizers, but I know many of them end up in journals later through the efforts of the individual researchers. A list of speakers and subjects is published though (I believe). You should really contact Andreas about that if you want to know more. Best, Jelma On Jun 24, 2014, at 17:26 , Martyn Hodgson wrote: A Thank you Jelma. A Do you know if this 'Summit' ever publish any of these papers or are A they available as downloads? Were they peer reviewed? A regards A Martyn A A __ A From: Jelma van Amersfoort [8]jel...@gmail.com A To: Lex Eisenhardt [9]eisenha...@planet.nl A Cc: Vihuela Dmth [10]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu A Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2014, 11:31 A Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A Dear all, A A A A A Lake Konstanz is a bi-annual international conference on A A guitar-related research, historical and otherwise. It was established A A in 2007 by Gerhard Penn and Andreas Stevens.A The next meeting is in A A 2015. A A A A A I was there last year and presented a paper on guitar songs by the A A composer Pauline Duchambge (1776-1858). There were speakers from many A A different countries and backgrounds, it was quite interesting and A fun. A A As Lex Eisenhardt mentioned, four or five of the people who recently A A published in Early Music were there as well, and Matanya Ophee too. A A A A A If any of you want to present or just listen it is best to approach A A Andreas or Gerhard with a proposal. They are quite keen to involve A more A A researchers. I believe there is no website
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I don't know, Martyn. Generally, any paper being presented at any conference or festival does not turn into generally accepted fact, does it? If there is such a thing as 'fact' in historical research :-) A I certainly attend these things with a healthy dose of scepticism. However,A I think the tentative integration of guitar research into mainstream musicology that we see happening these days is a good thing. Jelma On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Martyn Hodgson [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: A A Well yes... though if papers are presented, but not disseminated by A A the 'Summit' and/or are not peer reviewed is there not the problem A A (alas too common) of mere speculation being transformed into generally A A accepted fact? A A Martyn A A A __ A A From: Monica Hall [2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk A A To: Braig, Eugene [3]brai...@osu.edu A A Cc: Vihuelalist [4]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu A A Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 7:08 A A Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A That sums it up very nicely. A Both the list and the Lake Konstanz A A meeting A A were opportunities for guitar enthusiasts to get together to discuss A A their A A interests. A No need for any peer reviewing or the like. A A Monica A A - Original Message - A A From: Braig, Eugene [1][5]brai...@osu.edu A A To: Vihuela Dmth [2][6]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu A A Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:01 PM A A Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A The word s u b s c r i b e r ended up robot flagging my last note A A for A A redirection. A Here it is again with the offending word deleted. A A A A E A A A A A A -Original Message- A A From: Braig, Eugene A A Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:59 PM A A To: Vihuela Dmth A A Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A A A I think more people are reading more into this thing than they A A should. A A While many contributors coincide, the Lake Konstanz Guitar Research A A Meeting operated independently of the Topica Guitar Summit. A You can A A see a A A concise summary of what the Lake Konstanz/Constance meeting is at the A A bottom this GFA page: [3][7]http://www.guitarfoundation.org/?ArchForums A A . . . as A A well as the organizers' own Facebook group: A A [4][8]https://www.facebook.com/groups/131072740286508/. I've never A A managed to A A attend the Lake Konstanz meeting in person. A A A A The Guitar Summit was a discussion forum (not unlike the present A A suite A A of Dartmouth lute lists) that was hosted by Topica beginning in 2007. A A However, it went through earlier incarnations hosted by a couple A A different A A online services (most notably as the Classical Guitar History List) A A that A A slightly predate the first Lake Konstanz meeting. A I have been a A A spotty A A contributor to each iteration of the discussion fora/listservs since A A 2005. A A When I was active there, there was a great deal of discussion A A centered on A A transitional periods at either end of the 19th c. A Yes, Matanya Ophee A A served as an organizing hub for these listservs; his contributions to A A and A A prominent voice in this particular arena are hard to deny, whatever A A your A A opinion of them are. A Still, at its core, the summit was really A A only a A A listserv of guitar geeks (like me), scholars, and professional A A performers A A who liked to ask interesting questions of a collective body of A A knowledge A A (I tended to do more asking than ans! A A wering). A A A A Best, A A Eugene A A A A A A -Original Message- A A From: [5][9]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu A A [mailto:[6][10]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On A A Behalf Of jelmaa A A Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:43 PM A A To: Martyn Hodgson A A Cc: Vihuela Dmth A A Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A A A Hi Martin and others, A A A A No, the papers are not peer reviewed and not published by the A A organizers, A A but I know many of them end up in journals later through the efforts A A of A A the individual researchers. A list of speakers and subjects is A A published A A though (I believe). You should really contact Andreas about that if A A you A A want to know more. A A A A Best, Jelma A A A A A A On Jun 24, 2014, at 17:26 , Martyn Hodgson wrote: A A A A A Thank you Jelma. A A A Do you know
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As I understand it, the (9!) guitar related articles in Early Music 41/4 and 42/1 were all reviewed by outside readers. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: woensdag 25 juni 2014 10:59 Aan: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene CC: Vihuelalist Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Well yes... though if papers are presented, but not disseminated by the 'Summit' and/or are not peer reviewed is there not the problem (alas too common) of mere speculation being transformed into generally accepted fact? Martyn __ From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 7:08 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit That sums it up very nicely. Both the list and the Lake Konstanz meeting were opportunities for guitar enthusiasts to get together to discuss their interests. No need for any peer reviewing or the like. Monica - Original Message - From: Braig, Eugene [1]brai...@osu.edu To: Vihuela Dmth [2]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit The word s u b s c r i b e r ended up robot flagging my last note for redirection. Here it is again with the offending word deleted. E -Original Message- From: Braig, Eugene Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:59 PM To: Vihuela Dmth Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit I think more people are reading more into this thing than they should. While many contributors coincide, the Lake Konstanz Guitar Research Meeting operated independently of the Topica Guitar Summit. You can see a concise summary of what the Lake Konstanz/Constance meeting is at the bottom this GFA page: [3]http://www.guitarfoundation.org/?ArchForums . . . as well as the organizers' own Facebook group: [4]https://www.facebook.com/groups/131072740286508/. I've never managed to attend the Lake Konstanz meeting in person. The Guitar Summit was a discussion forum (not unlike the present suite of Dartmouth lute lists) that was hosted by Topica beginning in 2007. However, it went through earlier incarnations hosted by a couple different online services (most notably as the Classical Guitar History List) that slightly predate the first Lake Konstanz meeting. I have been a spotty contributor to each iteration of the discussion fora/listservs since 2005. When I was active there, there was a great deal of discussion centered on transitional periods at either end of the 19th c. Yes, Matanya Ophee served as an organizing hub for these listservs; his contributions to and prominent voice in this particular arena are hard to deny, whatever your opinion of them are. Still, at its core, the summit was really only a listserv of guitar geeks (like me), scholars, and professional performers who liked to ask interesting questions of a collective body of knowledge (I tended to do more asking than ans! wering). Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: [5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of jelmaa Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:43 PM To: Martyn Hodgson Cc: Vihuela Dmth Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Hi Martin and others, No, the papers are not peer reviewed and not published by the organizers, but I know many of them end up in journals later through the efforts of the individual researchers. A list of speakers and subjects is published though (I believe). You should really contact Andreas about that if you want to know more. Best, Jelma On Jun 24, 2014, at 17:26 , Martyn Hodgson wrote: Thank you Jelma. Do you know if this 'Summit' ever publish any of these papers or are they available as downloads? Were they peer reviewed? regards Martyn __ From: Jelma van Amersfoort [7]jel...@gmail.com To: Lex Eisenhardt [8]eisenha...@planet.nl Cc: Vihuela Dmth [9]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2014, 11:31 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Dear all, A Lake Konstanz is a bi-annual international conference on guitar-related research, historical and otherwise. It was established in 2007 by Gerhard Penn and Andreas Stevens.A The next meeting is in 2015. A I was there last year and presented a paper on guitar songs by the composer Pauline Duchambge (1776-1858). There were speakers from many
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Indeed . But I'm referring to the many other papers presented at the 'Summits' which, I'm told, are not usually published or otherwise made generally available. __ From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 14:01 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit As I understand it, the (9!) guitar related articles in Early Music 41/4 and 42/1 were all reviewed by outside readers. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: woensdag 25 juni 2014 10:59 Aan: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene CC: Vihuelalist Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Well yes... though if papers are presented, but not disseminated by the 'Summit' and/or are not peer reviewed is there not the problem (alas too common) of mere speculation being transformed into generally accepted fact? Martyn __ From: Monica Hall [3]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To: Braig, Eugene [4]brai...@osu.edu Cc: Vihuelalist [5]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 7:08 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit That sums it up very nicely. Both the list and the Lake Konstanz meeting were opportunities for guitar enthusiasts to get together to discuss their interests. No need for any peer reviewing or the like. Monica - Original Message - From: Braig, Eugene [1][6]brai...@osu.edu To: Vihuela Dmth [2][7]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit The word s u b s c r i b e r ended up robot flagging my last note for redirection. Here it is again with the offending word deleted. E -Original Message- From: Braig, Eugene Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:59 PM To: Vihuela Dmth Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit I think more people are reading more into this thing than they should. While many contributors coincide, the Lake Konstanz Guitar Research Meeting operated independently of the Topica Guitar Summit. You can see a concise summary of what the Lake Konstanz/Constance meeting is at the bottom this GFA page: [3][8]http://www.guitarfoundation.org/?ArchForums . . . as well as the organizers' own Facebook group: [4][9]https://www.facebook.com/groups/131072740286508/. I've never managed to attend the Lake Konstanz meeting in person. The Guitar Summit was a discussion forum (not unlike the present suite of Dartmouth lute lists) that was hosted by Topica beginning in 2007. However, it went through earlier incarnations hosted by a couple different online services (most notably as the Classical Guitar History List) that slightly predate the first Lake Konstanz meeting. I have been a spotty contributor to each iteration of the discussion fora/listservs since 2005. When I was active there, there was a great deal of discussion centered on transitional periods at either end of the 19th c. Yes, Matanya Ophee served as an organizing hub for these listservs; his contributions to and prominent voice in this particular arena are hard to deny, whatever your opinion of them are. Still, at its core, the summit was really only a listserv of guitar geeks (like me), scholars, and professional performers who liked to ask interesting questions of a collective body of knowledge (I tended to do more asking than ans! wering). Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: [5][10]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[6][11]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of jelmaa Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:43 PM To: Martyn Hodgson Cc: Vihuela Dmth Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Hi Martin and others, No, the papers are not peer reviewed and not published by the organizers, but I know many of them end up in journals later through the efforts of the individual researchers. A list of speakers and subjects is published though (I believe). You should really contact Andreas about that if you want to know more. Best, Jelma On Jun 24, 2014, at 17:26 , Martyn Hodgson wrote: Thank you Jelma. Do you know if this 'Summit' ever publish any of these papers or are they available as downloads? Were they peer reviewed? regards Martyn
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What would you do about it? No more talks at Lute or Guitar meetings, unless approved by the musicological authorities? -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens Martyn Hodgson Verzonden: woensdag 25 juni 2014 15:27 Aan: Jelma van Amersfoort CC: Monica Hall; Vihuelalist Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Thanks for this Jelma, However I really didn't suggest that ANY paper presented at the 'Summit' would always automatically transform speculation (or even mere personal assertion) into generally accepted fact, but that some speculation/assertion presented in the past has, indeed, been transformed into widely believed practice by some players. Without the possibility of critical appraisal (through being generally available) the same can happen to any of the pet theories floated at the 'Summit' or, indeed, any other such fora. Two striking examples will suffice: - the use of thumb-under on the lute which became de rigueur for decades (and still persists in some circles) and is only recently being seen as an appropriate technique mostly for certain early lute music; - the use of a high octave on the third course of the 5 course 'baroque' guitar - a practice for which there is no historical evidence. In short, whilst like you I welcome the 'integration of guitar research into mainstream musicology' I'm a bit less willing to accept thoeries which are not able to be subject to some sort of critical review/appraisal by being openly published or otherwise made available. This is not, of course, the case with the few articles in the recent guitar centred editions of Early Music, some of which you tell me first appeared at one of these 'Summits'. Martyn __ From: Jelma van Amersfoort jel...@gmail.com To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk; Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 10:18 Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit I don't know, Martyn. Generally, any paper being presented at any conference or festival does not turn into generally accepted fact, does it? If there is such a thing as 'fact' in historical research :-) I certainly attend these things with a healthy dose of scepticism. However, I think the tentative integration of guitar research into mainstream musicology that we see happening these days is a good thing. Jelma On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Martyn Hodgson [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Well yes... though if papers are presented, but not disseminated by the 'Summit' and/or are not peer reviewed is there not the problem (alas too common) of mere speculation being transformed into generally accepted fact? Martyn __ From: Monica Hall [2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To: Braig, Eugene [3]brai...@osu.edu Cc: Vihuelalist [4]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014, 7:08 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit That sums it up very nicely. Both the list and the Lake Konstanz meeting were opportunities for guitar enthusiasts to get together to discuss their interests. No need for any peer reviewing or the like. Monica - Original Message - From: Braig, Eugene [1][5]brai...@osu.edu To: Vihuela Dmth [2][6]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:01 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit The word s u b s c r i b e r ended up robot flagging my last note for redirection. Here it is again with the offending word deleted. E -Original Message- From: Braig, Eugene Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:59 PM To: Vihuela Dmth Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit I think more people are reading more into this thing than they should. While many contributors coincide, the Lake Konstanz Guitar Research Meeting operated independently of the Topica Guitar Summit. You can see a concise summary of what the Lake Konstanz/Constance meeting is at the bottom this GFA page: [3][7]http://www.guitarfoundation.org/?ArchForums . . . as well as the organizers' own Facebook group: [4][8]https://www.facebook.com/groups/131072740286508/. I've never managed to attend the Lake Konstanz meeting in person. The Guitar Summit was a discussion forum (not unlike the present suite of Dartmouth lute lists) that was hosted by Topica beginning in 2007. However, it went through earlier
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Some of you may have seen the 'guitar issues' of Early Music (41/4 and 42/1). Some of the authors lectured at the 'Lake Konstanz' (Summit) meetings. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens WALSH STUART Verzonden: dinsdag 24 juni 2014 11:54 Aan: Martyn Hodgson; Vihuela Dmth Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit On 24/06/2014 09:25, Martyn Hodgson wrote: - Forwarded Message - From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2014, 7:26 Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Thanks for this. I was intrigued by the use of the word 'summit' which implied some sort of self-proclaimed central authority! I think that would be about right. Surrounded by worshippers. But from what you write, it seems to be/have been more of a social event Martyn __ From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, 23 June 2014, 19:29 Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Well it was started a few years ago under the auspices of Matanya Ophee. Most of the people on it were continental - i.e. from Germany, and such like places. They hold/held a summit meeting in Switzerland every two years. The last one was in 2012 I think. There used to be a discussion list but messages I have sent have not got through and I haven't received any for ages. Monica - Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Monica Hall [2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk; Vihuelalist [3]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 6:37 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit To be frank Monica, I've never heard of it! What is/was it supposed to do? Martyn __ From: Monica Hall [4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To: Vihuelalist [5]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, 23 June 2014, 15:30 Subject: [VIHUELA] Guitar Summit I just wondered whether anyone else on this list is on the Guitar Summit list and if so whether they ever get any messages. I haven't had any for months and was wondering whether it is defunct or whether I have been struck off! Thanks to all Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 2. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 3. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 5. mailto:vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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Dear all, A Lake Konstanz is a bi-annual international conference on guitar-related research, historical and otherwise. It was established in 2007 by Gerhard Penn and Andreas Stevens.A The next meeting is in 2015. A I was there last year and presented a paper on guitar songs by the composer Pauline Duchambge (1776-1858). There were speakers from many different countries and backgrounds, it was quite interesting and fun. As Lex Eisenhardt mentioned, four or five of the people who recently published in Early Music were there as well, and Matanya Ophee too. A If any of you want to present or just listen it is best to approach Andreas or Gerhard with a proposal. They are quite keen to involve more researchers. I believe there is no website, but there is a rather active facebook page. ([1]https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/131072740286508/) A Best, Jelma van Amersfoort A A On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Lex Eisenhardt [2]eisenha...@planet.nl wrote: Some of you may have seen the 'guitar issues' of Early Music (41/4 A and 42/1). Some of the authors lectured at the 'Lake Konstanz' (Summit) meetings. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens WALSH STUART Verzonden: dinsdag 24 juni 2014 11:54 Aan: Martyn Hodgson; Vihuela Dmth Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit On 24/06/2014 09:25, Martyn Hodgson wrote: A A - Forwarded Message - A A From: Martyn Hodgson [5]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk A A To: Monica Hall [6]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk A A Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2014, 7:26 A A Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A Thanks for this. A A I was intrigued by the use of the word 'summit' which implied some sort A A of self-proclaimed central authority! I think that would be about right. Surrounded by worshippers. But from what you write, it seems A A to be/have been more of a social event A A Martyn A A A __ A A From: Monica Hall [7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk A A To: Martyn Hodgson [8]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk A A Cc: Vihuelalist [9]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu A A Sent: Monday, 23 June 2014, 19:29 A A Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A Well it was started a few years ago under the auspices of Matanya A A Ophee. A A Most of the people on it were continental - i.e. from Germany, and such A A like A A places. A They hold/held a summit meeting in Switzerland every two A A years. A A The last one was in 2012 I think. A A There used to be a discussion list but messages I have sent have not A A got A A through and I haven't received any for ages. A A Monica A A - Original Message - A A From: Martyn Hodgson [1][10]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk A A To: Monica Hall [2][11]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk; Vihuelalist A A [3][12]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu A A Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 6:37 PM A A Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A A To be frank Monica, I've never heard of it! A What is/was it supposed A A to A A A do? A A A Martyn A A __ A A A A A From: Monica Hall [4][13]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk A A A To: Vihuelalist [5][14]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu A A A Sent: Monday, 23 June 2014, 15:30 A A A Subject: [VIHUELA] Guitar Summit A A A A I just wondered whether anyone else on this list is on the Guitar A A A A Summit list and if so whether they ever get any messages. A I A A haven't A A A A had any for months and was wondering whether it is defunct or A A whether A A A I A A A A have been struck off! A A A A Thanks to all A A A A Monica A A A A -- A A A To get on or off this list see list information at A A A [1][6][15]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html A A A A A -- A A A A References A A A A A 1. [7][16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html A A A A -- References A A 1. mailto:[17]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk A A 2. mailto:[18]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk A A 3. mailto:[19]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu A A 4. mailto:[20]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk A A 5. mailto:[21]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu A A 6. [22]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html A A 7. [23]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. [24]http
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Thank you Jelma. Do you know if this 'Summit' ever publish any of these papers or are they available as downloads? Were they peer reviewed? regards Martyn __ From: Jelma van Amersfoort jel...@gmail.com To: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl Cc: Vihuela Dmth vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2014, 11:31 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Dear all, A Lake Konstanz is a bi-annual international conference on guitar-related research, historical and otherwise. It was established in 2007 by Gerhard Penn and Andreas Stevens.A The next meeting is in 2015. A I was there last year and presented a paper on guitar songs by the composer Pauline Duchambge (1776-1858). There were speakers from many different countries and backgrounds, it was quite interesting and fun. As Lex Eisenhardt mentioned, four or five of the people who recently published in Early Music were there as well, and Matanya Ophee too. A If any of you want to present or just listen it is best to approach Andreas or Gerhard with a proposal. They are quite keen to involve more researchers. I believe there is no website, but there is a rather active facebook page. ([1][1]https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/131072740286508/) A Best, Jelma van Amersfoort A A On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Lex Eisenhardt [2][2]eisenha...@planet.nl wrote: Some of you may have seen the 'guitar issues' of Early Music (41/4 A and 42/1). Some of the authors lectured at the 'Lake Konstanz' (Summit) meetings. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [3][3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[4][4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Namens WALSH STUART Verzonden: dinsdag 24 juni 2014 11:54 Aan: Martyn Hodgson; Vihuela Dmth Onderwerp: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit On 24/06/2014 09:25, Martyn Hodgson wrote: A A - Forwarded Message - A A From: Martyn Hodgson [5][5]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk A A To: Monica Hall [6][6]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk A A Sent: Tuesday, 24 June 2014, 7:26 A A Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A Thanks for this. A A I was intrigued by the use of the word 'summit' which implied some sort A A of self-proclaimed central authority! I think that would be about right. Surrounded by worshippers. But from what you write, it seems A A to be/have been more of a social event A A Martyn A A A __ A A From: Monica Hall [7][7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk A A To: Martyn Hodgson [8][8]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk A A Cc: Vihuelalist [9][9]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu A A Sent: Monday, 23 June 2014, 19:29 A A Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A Well it was started a few years ago under the auspices of Matanya A A Ophee. A A Most of the people on it were continental - i.e. from Germany, and such A A like A A places. A They hold/held a summit meeting in Switzerland every two A A years. A A The last one was in 2012 I think. A A There used to be a discussion list but messages I have sent have not A A got A A through and I haven't received any for ages. A A Monica A A - Original Message - A A From: Martyn Hodgson [1][10][10]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk A A To: Monica Hall [2][11][11]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk; Vihuelalist A A [3][12][12]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu A A Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 6:37 PM A A Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit A A A To be frank Monica, I've never heard of it! A What is/was it supposed A A to A A A do? A A A Martyn A A __ A A A A A From: Monica Hall [4][13][13]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk A A A To: Vihuelalist [5][14][14]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu A A A Sent: Monday, 23 June 2014, 15:30 A A A Subject: [VIHUELA] Guitar Summit A A A A I just wondered whether anyone else on this list is on the Guitar A A A A Summit list and if so whether they ever get any messages. A I A A haven't A A A A had any for months and was wondering whether it is defunct or A A whether A A A I A A A A have been struck off! A A A A Thanks to all A A A A Monica A A A A -- A A A To get on or off this list see list information at A A A [1][6][15][15]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin
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Hi Monica, I'm not familiar with the Guitar Summit list. Perhaps I'm on it if I got your message? Best, J Jocelyn Nelson, DMA Teaching Assistant Professor 506 School of Music East Carolina University 252.328.1255 office 252.328.6258 fax nels...@ecu.edu From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of Matthew Daillie [dail...@club-internet.fr] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:40 AM To: Monica Hall Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Dear Monica, I appear to be on the list but can't recall having received any messages either so I suppose it's just rather low key! best Matthew On 23 juin 2014, at 16:30, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I just wondered whether anyone else on this list is on the Guitar Summit list and if so whether they ever get any messages. I haven't had any for months and was wondering whether it is defunct or whether I have been struck off! Thanks to all Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Perhaps someone on the Guitar Summit list was asking the same of the Vihuela list! We have also been having a quiet year. — R On Jun 23, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I just wondered whether anyone else on this list is on the Guitar Summit list and if so whether they ever get any messages. I haven't had any for months and was wondering whether it is defunct or whether I have been struck off! Thanks to all Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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I'm a member, but never took their posts by e-mail, always reading there via the web. Unfortunately, I haven't found time to look in on the activities of that list in years. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Daillie Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:41 AM To: Monica Hall Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Dear Monica, I appear to be on the list but can't recall having received any messages either so I suppose it's just rather low key! best Matthew On 23 juin 2014, at 16:30, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I just wondered whether anyone else on this list is on the Guitar Summit list and if so whether they ever get any messages. I haven't had any for months and was wondering whether it is defunct or whether I have been struck off! Thanks to all Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit
Well it was started a few years ago under the auspices of Matanya Ophee. Most of the people on it were continental - i.e. from Germany, and such like places. They hold/held a summit meeting in Switzerland every two years. The last one was in 2012 I think. There used to be a discussion list but messages I have sent have not got through and I haven't received any for ages. Monica - Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk; Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 6:37 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit To be frank Monica, I've never heard of it! What is/was it supposed to do? Martyn __ From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, 23 June 2014, 15:30 Subject: [VIHUELA] Guitar Summit I just wondered whether anyone else on this list is on the Guitar Summit list and if so whether they ever get any messages. I haven't had any for months and was wondering whether it is defunct or whether I have been struck off! Thanks to all Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Well - I logged on to Topica and got this message - so perhaps that explains it all...or at least some of it... The Topica Discussion List service will go completely off-line on June 29th, 2014. The final shut-down of the Discussion Lists will coincide with several new product releases. We are confident that our improved technology will allow us to provide you with the most effective innovative services. We will continue to post updates and dates, but feel free to send any questions to cs.topica.com. The Guitar-Summit must have died I think... Monica - Original Message - From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 7:55 PM Subject: RE: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit So, I went to the list's web interface (http://lists.topica.com/lists/guitar-summit) to look for any of Monica's e-mail notes to have been recently archived. To get to a log-in page, you have to click a button labeled Join this list. I did so, but didn't remember my password. In clicking a Forgot your password?? link (superfluous question mark theirs, not mine) and entering my e-mail address, the system informed me that it had sent me a new password. I did so twice. Nothing appears to have arrived from the system yet. Ah well . . . Eugene -Original Message- From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 2:25 PM To: Braig, Eugene Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit I could never find the messages on the web. Are they even archived? I sent a message to that list a few weeks ago but it never showed up as far as I know. A mystery. Monica - Original Message - From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 6:11 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit I'm a member, but never took their posts by e-mail, always reading there via the web. Unfortunately, I haven't found time to look in on the activities of that list in years. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Daillie Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:41 AM To: Monica Hall Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitar Summit Dear Monica, I appear to be on the list but can't recall having received any messages either so I suppose it's just rather low key! best Matthew On 23 juin 2014, at 16:30, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I just wondered whether anyone else on this list is on the Guitar Summit list and if so whether they ever get any messages. I haven't had any for months and was wondering whether it is defunct or whether I have been struck off! Thanks to all Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
