[VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations

[Nelson, Jocelyn]

   PS: I was able to learn MuseScore very quickly after 15 years of not
   using a notation software, and it works well. Very happy Ralf suggested
   it, and John Griffiths has noticed the same thing for himself. I am
   really interested in some of the other programs recommended to me on
   this list, like Fandango, but the open source nature of MuseScore is a
   great plus that makes me want to mention this to my music students who
   are of course on a tight budget. My music school's labs use Sibelius.

   JN
 __

   From: Nelson, Jocelyn
   Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:49 AM
   To: Ralf Mattes; Martyn Hodgson
   Cc: Vihuelalist
   Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations

   ​Hi Martyn,

   This is a great question! Short answer: I say somewhat quicker through
   software, and much quicker if you don't count the initial learning
   curve journey with software new to you, and the occasional bumps in the
   road (how do I delineate these voices? or beam this particular way?
   etc.). It's indispensable if you want to publish, and a bit easier on
   your ensemble mates. But for oneself, not necessarily worth it if you
   don't have those printing and ensemble needs, or if your score looks
   really good by hand.

   The initial setup can be an exercise in patience. Years ago, well I was
   getting my degree, I had to use Finale. It took me a while (several
   hours) to train myself using the manual, but once I did, input was
   definitely quicker than by hand. (This was more than 15 years ago, so
   don't take that as a judgment Finale now.)

   Since then, I have managed to get by without using notation software,
   because I spend most of my time here at ECU teaching music history and
   music appreciation classes. Like you, I've just been doing arrangements
   by hand for my performances. I did an album with the soprano in 2010,
   and we both read from the original tablature and vocal score (nice of
   Le Roy and Morlaye to include both) for every single number, except the
   last, which was my arrangement of "Tant que vivray," which I wrote out
   by hand; very simple.

   But I wanted notation software for this project because of some
   confusing transposition issues, and the fact that Fuenllana does
   not include a vocal score; the voice is the red font in the tab
   numbers. I'm only doing 2 songs, so I'm not investing in a midi
   keyboard the way Ralf recommends, but if I do a bigger project someday
   I would do that, because I remember with Finale how fast input can be
   with a keyboard. You're literally playing the music and it notates.

   Hope this helps,

   Jocelyn

   Jocelyn Nelson, DMA
   Teaching Assistant Professor
   Early Guitar, Music History
   Lute Society of America Board Member
   506 School of Music
   East Carolina University
   252-328-1255 Office
   252-328-6258 Fax
   nels...@ecu.edu
 __

   From: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 2:34 AM
   To: Nelson, Jocelyn; Ralf Mattes
   Cc: Vihuelalist
   Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations

   Dear Jocelyn,
   One of the difficulties I personally find with these typesetting
   softwares is the length of time it takes to actually input the music
   (either staff notation or tablature), and I generally simply write out
   (staff notation) parts for the ensemble - often full/short scores or
   individual parts where necessary.
   So, as a relative newcomer to these, I'd be grateful for your personal
   feedback on how you find the time compares between inputting (via
   PC/laptop keyboard) and writing out the part(s) by hand?
   regards
   MH
 __

   From: "Nelson, Jocelyn" <nels...@ecu.edu>
   To: Ralf Mattes <r...@mh-freiburg.de>
   Cc: Vihuelalist <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017, 1:57
   Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations
   Thanks again, Ralf!
   I hope you don't mind if I forwarded your tablature tuning answer to
   John Griffiths, who is also working on the same sort of project with a
   singer. He downloaded MuseScore and had the same question. I think he
   is also happy to find out about this software.
   Jocelyn
   
   From: Ralf Mattes <[1]r...@mh-freiburg.de>
   Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:36 PM
   To: Nelson, Jocelyn
   Cc: Vihuelalist
   Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Re:?=_[VIHUELA]?=_Re:?=
   _Re=3A?=_=5BVIHUELA=5D?=?= Notation software  recommendations=3F?=?=
   Am Dienstag, 25. Juli 2017 17:04 CEST, "Nelson, Jocelyn"
   <[2]nels...@ecu.edu> schrieb:
   > Thanks so much, Ralf. I tried your advice and the tablature is just
   the way I want it now.
   &

[VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations

[Nelson, Jocelyn]

   ​Hi Martyn,

   This is a great question! Short answer: I say somewhat quicker through
   software, and much quicker if you don't count the initial learning
   curve journey with software new to you, and the occasional bumps in the
   road (how do I delineate these voices? or beam this particular way?
   etc.). It's indispensable if you want to publish, and a bit easier on
   your ensemble mates. But for oneself, not necessarily worth it if you
   don't have those printing and ensemble needs, or if your score looks
   really good by hand.

   The initial setup can be an exercise in patience. Years ago, well I was
   getting my degree, I had to use Finale. It took me a while (several
   hours) to train myself using the manual, but once I did, input was
   definitely quicker than by hand. (This was more than 15 years ago, so
   don't take that as a judgment Finale now.)

   Since then, I have managed to get by without using notation software,
   because I spend most of my time here at ECU teaching music history and
   music appreciation classes. Like you, I've just been doing arrangements
   by hand for my performances. I did an album with the soprano in 2010,
   and we both read from the original tablature and vocal score (nice of
   Le Roy and Morlaye to include both) for every single number, except the
   last, which was my arrangement of "Tant que vivray," which I wrote out
   by hand; very simple.

   But I wanted notation software for this project because of some
   confusing transposition issues, and the fact that Fuenllana does
   not include a vocal score; the voice is the red font in the tab
   numbers. I'm only doing 2 songs, so I'm not investing in a midi
   keyboard the way Ralf recommends, but if I do a bigger project someday
   I would do that, because I remember with Finale how fast input can be
   with a keyboard. You're literally playing the music and it notates.

   Hope this helps,

   Jocelyn

   Jocelyn Nelson, DMA
   Teaching Assistant Professor
   Early Guitar, Music History
   Lute Society of America Board Member
   506 School of Music
   East Carolina University
   252-328-1255 Office
   252-328-6258 Fax
   nels...@ecu.edu
 __

   From: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 2:34 AM
   To: Nelson, Jocelyn; Ralf Mattes
   Cc: Vihuelalist
   Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations

   Dear Jocelyn,
   One of the difficulties I personally find with these typesetting
   softwares is the length of time it takes to actually input the music
   (either staff notation or tablature), and I generally simply write out
   (staff notation) parts for the ensemble - often full/short scores or
   individual parts where necessary.
   So, as a relative newcomer to these, I'd be grateful for your personal
   feedback on how you find the time compares between inputting (via
   PC/laptop keyboard) and writing out the part(s) by hand?
   regards
   MH
 __

   From: "Nelson, Jocelyn" <nels...@ecu.edu>
   To: Ralf Mattes <r...@mh-freiburg.de>
   Cc: Vihuelalist <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017, 1:57
   Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations
   Thanks again, Ralf!
   I hope you don't mind if I forwarded your tablature tuning answer to
   John Griffiths, who is also working on the same sort of project with a
   singer. He downloaded MuseScore and had the same question. I think he
   is also happy to find out about this software.
   Jocelyn
   
   From: Ralf Mattes <[1]r...@mh-freiburg.de>
   Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:36 PM
   To: Nelson, Jocelyn
   Cc: Vihuelalist
   Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Re:?=_[VIHUELA]?=_Re:?=
   _Re=3A?=_=5BVIHUELA=5D?=?= Notation software  recommendations=3F?=?=
   Am Dienstag, 25. Juli 2017 17:04 CEST, "Nelson, Jocelyn"
   <[2]nels...@ecu.edu> schrieb:
   > Thanks so much, Ralf. I tried your advice and the tablature is just
   the way I want it now.
   > I'm sticking with this program because it's free and relatively easy;
   And it's actually Oen Source and Free Software. Even better.
   > at least I've figured it out and I'm almost done transcribing the
   first song. I just ordered a numeric
   > keypad for my laptop to make the tab entry faster.
   Depending on how your brain is wired, you might not even need the
   numeric keypad - even with italian tab
   MuseScore accepts letters to enter tab.
   Another secret speed entry trick of mine: get a cheap midi keyboard,
   preferably with a few buttons (often
   called "drum pads") and assign note value selection to those buttons.
   Together with a cheap (~ 15$) food pedal
   attached to the midi keyboard (I use this to advance to the next chord
   i

[VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations

[Martyn Hodgson]

   Dear Jocelyn,
   One of the difficulties I personally find with these typesetting
   softwares is the length of time it takes to actually input the music
   (either staff notation or tablature), and I generally simply write out
   (staff notation) parts for the ensemble - often full/short scores or
   individual parts where necessary.
   So, as a relative newcomer to these, I'd be grateful for your personal
   feedback on how you find the time compares between inputting (via
   PC/laptop keyboard) and writing out the part(s) by hand?
   regards
   MH
 __

   From: "Nelson, Jocelyn" <nels...@ecu.edu>
   To: Ralf Mattes <r...@mh-freiburg.de>
   Cc: Vihuelalist <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017, 1:57
   Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations
   Thanks again, Ralf!
   I hope you don't mind if I forwarded your tablature tuning answer to
   John Griffiths, who is also working on the same sort of project with a
   singer. He downloaded MuseScore and had the same question. I think he
   is also happy to find out about this software.
   Jocelyn
   
   From: Ralf Mattes <[1]r...@mh-freiburg.de>
   Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:36 PM
   To: Nelson, Jocelyn
   Cc: Vihuelalist
   Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Re=3A?=_=5BVIHUELA=5D?=_Re=3A?=
   _Re=3D3A=3F=3D=5F=3D5BVIHUELA=3D5D=3F=3D?= Notation software
   recommendations=3D3F=3F=3D?=
   Am Dienstag, 25. Juli 2017 17:04 CEST, "Nelson, Jocelyn"
   <[2]nels...@ecu.edu> schrieb:
   > Thanks so much, Ralf. I tried your advice and the tablature is just
   the way I want it now.
   > I'm sticking with this program because it's free and relatively easy;
   And it's actually Oen Source and Free Software. Even better.
   > at least I've figured it out and I'm almost done transcribing the
   first song. I just ordered a numeric
   > keypad for my laptop to make the tab entry faster.
   Depending on how your brain is wired, you might not even need the
   numeric keypad - even with italian tab
   MuseScore accepts letters to enter tab.
   Another secret speed entry trick of mine: get a cheap midi keyboard,
   preferably with a few buttons (often
   called "drum pads") and assign note value selection to those buttons.
   Together with a cheap (~ 15$) food pedal
   attached to the midi keyboard (I use this to advance to the next chord
   in "manual real time input mode") this
   makes for super-fast tab writing. Just one hint: the note->tab
   postition algorythm seems to work best when you
   enter the notes of a chord from top to bottom (that's something I had
   to get usesd to).
   It's also a good idea to read the printed manual "Mastering MuseScore",
   it's writen by one of the main
   developers and that way you can support further develop,ment. Or even
   better: get your library to by
   copy. Even so a lot of the Tab features are newer than the printed book
   (the curse of fast open source
   development) there are a lot of great time savers to be found.
   > Your many details below are greatly appreciated.
   You're wellcome.
   > And many thanks to everyone else on this list. Some of these
   recommended programs are beautiful and I would like to explore them in
   the future.
   >
   > Best wishes and happy transcribing to all,
   > Jocelyn
   Thanks, same to you,
   Ralf Mattes
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[VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations

[Nelson, Jocelyn]

Thanks again, Ralf! 

I hope you don't mind if I forwarded your tablature tuning answer to John 
Griffiths, who is also working on the same sort of project with a singer. He 
downloaded MuseScore and had the same question. I think he is also happy to 
find out about this software.

Jocelyn


From: Ralf Mattes 
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:36 PM
To: Nelson, Jocelyn
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Re=3A?=_=5BVIHUELA=5D?=_Re=3A?= 
_Re=3D3A=3F=3D=5F=3D5BVIHUELA=3D5D=3F=3D?= Notation software  
recommendations=3D3F=3F=3D?=

Am Dienstag, 25. Juli 2017 17:04 CEST, "Nelson, Jocelyn"  
schrieb:

> Thanks so much, Ralf. I tried your advice and the tablature is just the way I 
> want it now.
> I'm sticking with this program because it's free and relatively easy;

And it's actually Oen Source and Free Software. Even better.

> at least I've figured it out and I'm almost done transcribing the first song. 
> I just ordered a numeric
> keypad for my laptop to make the tab entry faster.

Depending on how your brain is wired, you might not even need the numeric 
keypad - even with italian tab
MuseScore accepts letters to enter tab.
Another secret speed entry trick of mine: get a cheap midi keyboard, preferably 
with a few buttons (often
called "drum pads") and assign note value selection to those buttons. Together 
with a cheap (~ 15$) food pedal
attached to the midi keyboard (I use this to advance to the next chord in 
"manual real time input mode") this
makes for super-fast tab writing. Just one hint: the note->tab postition 
algorythm seems to work best when you
enter the notes of a chord from top to bottom (that's something I had to get 
usesd to).

It's also a good idea to read the printed manual "Mastering MuseScore", it's 
writen by one of the main
developers and that way you can support further develop,ment. Or even better: 
get your library to by
copy. Even so a lot of the Tab features are newer than the printed book (the 
curse of fast open source
development) there are a lot of great time savers to be found.

> Your many details below are greatly appreciated.

You're wellcome.

> And many thanks to everyone else on this list. Some of these recommended 
> programs are beautiful and I would like to explore them in the future.
>
> Best wishes and happy transcribing to all,
> Jocelyn

Thanks, same to you,

 Ralf Mattes




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[VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations?

[David van Ooijen]

   I'm happy with Finale. I make several guitar arrangements a week with
   it, and all my lute transcriptions.
   David
   On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 at 04:48, Nelson, Jocelyn <[1]nels...@ecu.edu>
   wrote:

 Thanks, Rocky! Finale was my notation software, like a million years
 ago. I liked it, and it's nice to know it uses tab in case the early
 music ones don't work out with my university.
 J
 
 From: Mjos & Larson <[2]rockype...@comcast.net>
 Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:38 PM
 To: Nelson, Jocelyn
 Cc: DANIEL SHOSKES; Vihuelalist
 Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Notation software recommendations?
 If you are already a Finale user, you might try that program's tab
 options.
 All my tab scores are done on a Mac using Finale (see one of my Ning
 pages). David van Ooijen also uses Finale.
 It's not particularly well set up to handle early music tablature,
 but I'm happy with the results and with the help of some customized
 fonts Finale handles most of my needs. There is a lot of control
 over appearance available if one digs in to the detailed settings.
 I can select and drag a system of tablature onto a regular staff
 system and it will convert it to notation, though if there are more
 than one note per "event" they convert to chards rather than
 separate voices.
 Finale can also convert notes on a staff to tab by selecting and
 dragging the notes from a staff system onto a tab system.
 â Rocky
 On Jul 20, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Nelson, Jocelyn <[3]nels...@ecu.edu>
 wrote:
 > Thanks, Danny!
 >
 >
 > 
 > From: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
 on behalf of DANIEL SHOSKES <[6]dshos...@mac.com>
 > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:25 PM
 > To: Nelson, Jocelyn
 > Cc: Vihuelalist
 > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations?
 >
 > I run Fronimo and Django on a Mac using VMware Fusion and it also
 is a good solution.
 >
 >> On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:21 PM, Nelson, Jocelyn <[7]nels...@ecu.edu>
 wrote:
 >>
 >>   Thanks; I also see that the Fuenllana solos are there, which is
 great,
 >>   but not the songs.
 >>
 >>   Again, this is another designed for PC or Windows. Does anyone
 find
 >>   success using it with supported systems as they show on the
 Fandango
 >>   site? [1][8]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/pages/fandangoâ
 >>
 >>   Since I'm using my university's computer (and my dept will pay
 for it),
 >>   I'm checking in with my IT folks about Parallels, which Rob
 >>   suggested, to make sure it's approved.
 >>
 >>   I really appreciate all this quick help, thanks!
 >>
 >>   Jocelyn
 >>
 __________
 >>
 >>   From: Azalais <[9]azal...@gmail.com>
 >>   Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:09 PM
 >>   To: Nelson, Jocelyn
 >>   Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations?
 >>
 >>   ps.   I just checked the Fandango library and the Fuenllana
 pieces are
 >>   not there...   yet.   sorry.
 >>   On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Azalais
 <[2][10]azal...@gmail.com> wrote:
 >>
 >>   Fandango (Formerly known as Django)   Is excellent and also
 gives you
 >>   access to an extensive library of pieces.
 >>   It also allows you to import midi files,   and allows for
 tweaking the
 >>   string tuning, staves, and instrument configuration to suit
 your
 >>   tablature preferences. (There are also interesting fonts and
 glyphs for
 >>   making the sheets look very much like the original facsimiles,
 or
 >>   standard notation (or both).   The author and many members of
 this group
 >>   use it, so help is always available too.   [In fact, I would
 guess that
 >>   the Fuenllana pieces are already in the library for immediate
 download!
 >>   [3][11]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/
 >>
 >>   On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Nelson, Jocelyn
 <[4][12]nels...@ecu.edu>
 >>   wrote:
 >>
 >> Does Fronimo work on mac? I used it some years ago on a PC,
 but I'm
 >> using a mac now.
 >> J
 >> 
 >> From: Rob MacKillop <[5][13]robmackil...@gmail.com>
 >> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:47 PM
 

[VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations?

[Nelson, Jocelyn]

Thanks, Rocky! Finale was my notation software, like a million years ago. I 
liked it, and it's nice to know it uses tab in case the early music ones don't 
work out with my university.
J


From: Mjos & Larson <rockype...@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:38 PM
To: Nelson, Jocelyn
Cc: DANIEL SHOSKES; Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Notation software recommendations?

If you are already a Finale user, you might try that program’s tab options.

All my tab scores are done on a Mac using Finale (see one of my Ning pages). 
David van Ooijen also uses Finale.

It’s not particularly well set up to handle early music tablature, but I’m 
happy with the results and with the help of some customized fonts Finale 
handles most of my needs. There is a lot of control over appearance available 
if one digs in to the detailed settings.

I can select and drag a system of tablature onto a regular staff system and it 
will convert it to notation, though if there are more than one note per “event” 
they convert to chards rather than separate voices.

Finale can also convert notes on a staff to tab by selecting and dragging the 
notes from a staff system onto a tab system.

— Rocky


On Jul 20, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Nelson, Jocelyn <nels...@ecu.edu> wrote:

> Thanks, Danny!
>
>
> 
> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of 
> DANIEL SHOSKES <dshos...@mac.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:25 PM
> To: Nelson, Jocelyn
> Cc: Vihuelalist
> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations?
>
> I run Fronimo and Django on a Mac using VMware Fusion and it also is a good 
> solution.
>
>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:21 PM, Nelson, Jocelyn <nels...@ecu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>  Thanks; I also see that the Fuenllana solos are there, which is great,
>>  but not the songs.
>>
>>  Again, this is another designed for PC or Windows. Does anyone find
>>  success using it with supported systems as they show on the Fandango
>>  site? [1]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/pages/fandango​
>>
>>  Since I'm using my university's computer (and my dept will pay for it),
>>  I'm checking in with my IT folks about Parallels, which Rob
>>  suggested, to make sure it's approved.
>>
>>  I really appreciate all this quick help, thanks!
>>
>>  Jocelyn
>>__________________
>>
>>  From: Azalais <azal...@gmail.com>
>>  Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:09 PM
>>  To: Nelson, Jocelyn
>>  Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations?
>>
>>  ps.  I just checked the Fandango library and the Fuenllana pieces are
>>  not there...  yet.  sorry.
>>  On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Azalais <[2]azal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Fandango (Formerly known as Django)  Is excellent and also gives you
>>  access to an extensive library of pieces.
>>  It also allows you to import midi files,  and allows for tweaking the
>>  string tuning, staves, and instrument configuration to suit your
>>  tablature preferences. (There are also interesting fonts and glyphs for
>>  making the sheets look very much like the original facsimiles, or
>>  standard notation (or both).  The author and many members of this group
>>  use it, so help is always available too.  [In fact, I would guess that
>>  the Fuenllana pieces are already in the library for immediate download!
>>  [3]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/
>>
>>  On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Nelson, Jocelyn <[4]nels...@ecu.edu>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>Does Fronimo work on mac? I used it some years ago on a PC, but I'm
>>using a mac now.
>>J
>>
>>From: Rob MacKillop <[5]robmackil...@gmail.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:47 PM
>>To: Nelson, Jocelyn
>>Cc: Vihuelalist
>>Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Notation software recommendations?
>>Hi Jocelyn,
>>Sibelius can't automatically show minims (half notes) or longer. To
>>do so requires a lot of palaver, and even then never looks good. In
>>short, it's a pain.
>>Why not try Fronimo? It's cheapish, has a support forum populated by
>>lute and baroque guitar players, and does automatic conversion to
>>standard notation. Lots of nice fonts too, and has
>>four-five-six-course tab staves to choose from.
>>Rob MacKillop
>>> On 20 Jul 2017, at 17:27, Nelson, Jocelyn <[6]nels...@ecu.edu>
>>wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone,

[VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations?

[Nelson, Jocelyn]

Thanks, Danny!



From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of DANIEL 
SHOSKES <dshos...@mac.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:25 PM
To: Nelson, Jocelyn
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations?

I run Fronimo and Django on a Mac using VMware Fusion and it also is a good 
solution.

> On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:21 PM, Nelson, Jocelyn <nels...@ecu.edu> wrote:
>
>   Thanks; I also see that the Fuenllana solos are there, which is great,
>   but not the songs.
>
>   Again, this is another designed for PC or Windows. Does anyone find
>   success using it with supported systems as they show on the Fandango
>   site? [1]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/pages/fandango​
>
>   Since I'm using my university's computer (and my dept will pay for it),
>   I'm checking in with my IT folks about Parallels, which Rob
>   suggested, to make sure it's approved.
>
>   I really appreciate all this quick help, thanks!
>
>   Jocelyn
> __
>
>   From: Azalais <azal...@gmail.com>
>   Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:09 PM
>   To: Nelson, Jocelyn
>   Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations?
>
>   ps.  I just checked the Fandango library and the Fuenllana pieces are
>   not there...  yet.  sorry.
>   On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Azalais <[2]azal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   Fandango (Formerly known as Django)  Is excellent and also gives you
>   access to an extensive library of pieces.
>   It also allows you to import midi files,  and allows for tweaking the
>   string tuning, staves, and instrument configuration to suit your
>   tablature preferences. (There are also interesting fonts and glyphs for
>   making the sheets look very much like the original facsimiles, or
>   standard notation (or both).  The author and many members of this group
>   use it, so help is always available too.  [In fact, I would guess that
>   the Fuenllana pieces are already in the library for immediate download!
>   [3]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/
>
>   On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Nelson, Jocelyn <[4]nels...@ecu.edu>
>   wrote:
>
> Does Fronimo work on mac? I used it some years ago on a PC, but I'm
> using a mac now.
> J
> 
> From: Rob MacKillop <[5]robmackil...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:47 PM
> To: Nelson, Jocelyn
> Cc: Vihuelalist
> Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Notation software recommendations?
> Hi Jocelyn,
> Sibelius can't automatically show minims (half notes) or longer. To
> do so requires a lot of palaver, and even then never looks good. In
> short, it's a pain.
> Why not try Fronimo? It's cheapish, has a support forum populated by
> lute and baroque guitar players, and does automatic conversion to
> standard notation. Lots of nice fonts too, and has
> four-five-six-course tab staves to choose from.
> Rob MacKillop
>> On 20 Jul 2017, at 17:27, Nelson, Jocelyn <[6]nels...@ecu.edu>
> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Everyone,
>>
>>  Does anyone on the list recommend any particular brand of
> notation
>>  software for our early guitar purposes? I'm transcribing the
> Fuenllana
>>  guitar songs for myself (on 4-course) and a singer to perform in
>>  September. So far I'm looking at Guitar
>>  Pro: [1][7]https://www.guitar-pro.com/en/index.php?pg=home​
> because it
>
>>  converts tab into standard notation and I'm not sure whether
>   Sibelius
>>  does that. I'd like my score to have both tablature and standard
>>  notation.
>>
>>  What notation software brands have worked best for you?
>>
>>  Many thanks and happy summer,
>>
>>  Jocelyn
>>
>>  Jocelyn Nelson, DMA
>>  Teaching Assistant Professor
>>  Early Guitar, Music History
>>  Lute Society of America Board Member
>>  506 School of Music
>>  East Carolina University
>>  [8]252-328-1255 Office
>>  [9]252-328-6258 Fax
>>  [10]nels...@ecu.edu
>>
>>  --
>>
>> References
>>
>>  1. [11]https://www.guitar-pro.com/en/index.php?pg=home
>>
>>
>> To get on or off this list see list information at
>> [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
>   --
>
> References
>
>   1. http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/pages/fandango
>   2. mailto:azal...@gmail.com
>   3. http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/
>   4. mailto:nels...@ecu.edu
>   5. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
>   6. mailto:nels...@ecu.edu
>   7. https://www.guitar-pro.com/en/index.php?pg=home
>   8. tel:252-328-1255
>   9. tel:252-328-6258
>  10. mailto:nels...@ecu.edu
>  11. https://www.guitar-pro.com/en/index.php?pg=home
>  12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>

[VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations?

[DANIEL SHOSKES]

I run Fronimo and Django on a Mac using VMware Fusion and it also is a good 
solution.

> On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:21 PM, Nelson, Jocelyn <nels...@ecu.edu> wrote:
> 
>   Thanks; I also see that the Fuenllana solos are there, which is great,
>   but not the songs.
> 
>   Again, this is another designed for PC or Windows. Does anyone find
>   success using it with supported systems as they show on the Fandango
>   site? [1]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/pages/fandango​
> 
>   Since I'm using my university's computer (and my dept will pay for it),
>   I'm checking in with my IT folks about Parallels, which Rob
>   suggested, to make sure it's approved.
> 
>   I really appreciate all this quick help, thanks!
> 
>   Jocelyn
> __
> 
>   From: Azalais <azal...@gmail.com>
>   Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:09 PM
>   To: Nelson, Jocelyn
>   Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations?
> 
>   ps.  I just checked the Fandango library and the Fuenllana pieces are
>   not there...  yet.  sorry.
>   On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Azalais <[2]azal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>   Fandango (Formerly known as Django)  Is excellent and also gives you
>   access to an extensive library of pieces.
>   It also allows you to import midi files,  and allows for tweaking the
>   string tuning, staves, and instrument configuration to suit your
>   tablature preferences. (There are also interesting fonts and glyphs for
>   making the sheets look very much like the original facsimiles, or
>   standard notation (or both).  The author and many members of this group
>   use it, so help is always available too.  [In fact, I would guess that
>   the Fuenllana pieces are already in the library for immediate download!
>   [3]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/
> 
>   On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Nelson, Jocelyn <[4]nels...@ecu.edu>
>   wrote:
> 
> Does Fronimo work on mac? I used it some years ago on a PC, but I'm
> using a mac now.
> J
> 
> From: Rob MacKillop <[5]robmackil...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:47 PM
> To: Nelson, Jocelyn
> Cc: Vihuelalist
> Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Notation software recommendations?
> Hi Jocelyn,
> Sibelius can't automatically show minims (half notes) or longer. To
> do so requires a lot of palaver, and even then never looks good. In
> short, it's a pain.
> Why not try Fronimo? It's cheapish, has a support forum populated by
> lute and baroque guitar players, and does automatic conversion to
> standard notation. Lots of nice fonts too, and has
> four-five-six-course tab staves to choose from.
> Rob MacKillop
>> On 20 Jul 2017, at 17:27, Nelson, Jocelyn <[6]nels...@ecu.edu>
> wrote:
>> 
>>  Hi Everyone,
>> 
>>  Does anyone on the list recommend any particular brand of
> notation
>>  software for our early guitar purposes? I'm transcribing the
> Fuenllana
>>  guitar songs for myself (on 4-course) and a singer to perform in
>>  September. So far I'm looking at Guitar
>>  Pro: [1][7]https://www.guitar-pro.com/en/index.php?pg=home​
> because it
> 
>>  converts tab into standard notation and I'm not sure whether
>   Sibelius
>>  does that. I'd like my score to have both tablature and standard
>>  notation.
>> 
>>  What notation software brands have worked best for you?
>> 
>>  Many thanks and happy summer,
>> 
>>  Jocelyn
>> 
>>  Jocelyn Nelson, DMA
>>  Teaching Assistant Professor
>>  Early Guitar, Music History
>>  Lute Society of America Board Member
>>  506 School of Music
>>  East Carolina University
>>  [8]252-328-1255 Office
>>  [9]252-328-6258 Fax
>>  [10]nels...@ecu.edu
>> 
>>  --
>> 
>> References
>> 
>>  1. [11]https://www.guitar-pro.com/en/index.php?pg=home
>> 
>> 
>> To get on or off this list see list information at
>> [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
>   --
> 
> References
> 
>   1. http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/pages/fandango
>   2. mailto:azal...@gmail.com
>   3. http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/
>   4. mailto:nels...@ecu.edu
>   5. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
>   6. mailto:nels...@ecu.edu
>   7. https://www.guitar-pro.com/en/index.php?pg=home
>   8. tel:252-328-1255
>   9. tel:252-328-6258
>  10. mailto:nels...@ecu.edu
>  11. https://www.guitar-pro.com/en/index.php?pg=home
>  12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 

[VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations?

[Nelson, Jocelyn]

   Thanks; I also see that the Fuenllana solos are there, which is great,
   but not the songs.

   Again, this is another designed for PC or Windows. Does anyone find
   success using it with supported systems as they show on the Fandango
   site? [1]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/pages/fandango​

   Since I'm using my university's computer (and my dept will pay for it),
   I'm checking in with my IT folks about Parallels, which Rob
   suggested, to make sure it's approved.

   I really appreciate all this quick help, thanks!

   Jocelyn
 __

   From: Azalais <azal...@gmail.com>
   Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:09 PM
   To: Nelson, Jocelyn
   Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations?

   ps.  I just checked the Fandango library and the Fuenllana pieces are
   not there...  yet.  sorry.
   On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Azalais <[2]azal...@gmail.com> wrote:

   Fandango (Formerly known as Django)  Is excellent and also gives you
   access to an extensive library of pieces.
   It also allows you to import midi files,  and allows for tweaking the
   string tuning, staves, and instrument configuration to suit your
   tablature preferences. (There are also interesting fonts and glyphs for
   making the sheets look very much like the original facsimiles, or
   standard notation (or both).  The author and many members of this group
   use it, so help is always available too.  [In fact, I would guess that
   the Fuenllana pieces are already in the library for immediate download!
   [3]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/

   On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Nelson, Jocelyn <[4]nels...@ecu.edu>
   wrote:

 Does Fronimo work on mac? I used it some years ago on a PC, but I'm
 using a mac now.
 J
 
 From: Rob MacKillop <[5]robmackil...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:47 PM
 To: Nelson, Jocelyn
 Cc: Vihuelalist
 Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Notation software recommendations?
 Hi Jocelyn,
 Sibelius can't automatically show minims (half notes) or longer. To
 do so requires a lot of palaver, and even then never looks good. In
 short, it's a pain.
 Why not try Fronimo? It's cheapish, has a support forum populated by
 lute and baroque guitar players, and does automatic conversion to
 standard notation. Lots of nice fonts too, and has
 four-five-six-course tab staves to choose from.
 Rob MacKillop
 > On 20 Jul 2017, at 17:27, Nelson, Jocelyn <[6]nels...@ecu.edu>
 wrote:
 >
 >   Hi Everyone,
 >
 >   Does anyone on the list recommend any particular brand of
 notation
 >   software for our early guitar purposes? I'm transcribing the
 Fuenllana
 >   guitar songs for myself (on 4-course) and a singer to perform in
 >   September. So far I'm looking at Guitar
 >   Pro: [1][7]https://www.guitar-pro.com/en/index.php?pg=home​
 because it

   >   converts tab into standard notation and I'm not sure whether
   Sibelius
   >   does that. I'd like my score to have both tablature and standard
   >   notation.
   >
   >   What notation software brands have worked best for you?
   >
   >   Many thanks and happy summer,
   >
   >   Jocelyn
   >
   >   Jocelyn Nelson, DMA
   >   Teaching Assistant Professor
   >   Early Guitar, Music History
   >   Lute Society of America Board Member
   >   506 School of Music
   >   East Carolina University
   >   [8]252-328-1255 Office
   >   [9]252-328-6258 Fax
   >   [10]nels...@ecu.edu
   >
   >   --
   >
   > References
   >
   >   1. [11]https://www.guitar-pro.com/en/index.php?pg=home
   >
   >
   > To get on or off this list see list information at
   > [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

   --

References

   1. http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/pages/fandango
   2. mailto:azal...@gmail.com
   3. http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/
   4. mailto:nels...@ecu.edu
   5. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   6. mailto:nels...@ecu.edu
   7. https://www.guitar-pro.com/en/index.php?pg=home
   8. tel:252-328-1255
   9. tel:252-328-6258
  10. mailto:nels...@ecu.edu
  11. https://www.guitar-pro.com/en/index.php?pg=home
  12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations?

[Nelson, Jocelyn]

Does Fronimo work on mac? I used it some years ago on a PC, but I'm using a mac 
now.
J


From: Rob MacKillop 
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:47 PM
To: Nelson, Jocelyn
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Notation software recommendations?

Hi Jocelyn,

Sibelius can't automatically show minims (half notes) or longer. To do so 
requires a lot of palaver, and even then never looks good. In short, it's a 
pain.

Why not try Fronimo? It's cheapish, has a support forum populated by lute and 
baroque guitar players, and does automatic conversion to standard notation. 
Lots of nice fonts too, and has four-five-six-course tab staves to choose from.

Rob MacKillop


> On 20 Jul 2017, at 17:27, Nelson, Jocelyn  wrote:
>
>   Hi Everyone,
>
>   Does anyone on the list recommend any particular brand of notation
>   software for our early guitar purposes? I'm transcribing the Fuenllana
>   guitar songs for myself (on 4-course) and a singer to perform in
>   September. So far I'm looking at Guitar
>   Pro: [1]https://www.guitar-pro.com/en/index.php?pg=home​ because it
>   converts tab into standard notation and I'm not sure whether Sibelius
>   does that. I'd like my score to have both tablature and standard
>   notation.
>
>   What notation software brands have worked best for you?
>
>   Many thanks and happy summer,
>
>   Jocelyn
>
>   Jocelyn Nelson, DMA
>   Teaching Assistant Professor
>   Early Guitar, Music History
>   Lute Society of America Board Member
>   506 School of Music
>   East Carolina University
>   252-328-1255 Office
>   252-328-6258 Fax
>   nels...@ecu.edu
>
>   --
>
> References
>
>   1. https://www.guitar-pro.com/en/index.php?pg=home
>
>
> To get on or off this list see list information at
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[VIHUELA] Re: Notation software recommendations?

[corun]

Have you tried Fronimo? It does a pretty easy conversion from tab to
   standard notation.
   Craig

 -Original Message-
 From: Nelson, Jocelyn [mailto:nels...@ecu.edu]
 Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:27 PM
 To: 'Vihuelalist'
 Subject: [VIHUELA] Notation software recommendations?
 Hi Everyone, Does anyone on the list recommend any particular brand
 of notation software for our early guitar purposes? I'm transcribing
 the Fuenllana guitar songs for myself (on 4-course) and a singer to
 perform in September. So far I'm looking at Guitar Pro:
 [1]https://www.guitar-pro.com/en/index.php?pg=homeâ because it
 converts tab into standard notation and I'm not sure whether
 Sibelius does that. I'd like my score to have both tablature and
 standard notation. What notation software brands have worked best
 for you? Many thanks and happy summer, Jocelyn Jocelyn Nelson, DMA
 Teaching Assistant Professor Early Guitar, Music History Lute
 Society of America Board Member 506 School of Music East Carolina
 University 252-328-1255 Office 252-328-6258 Fax nels...@ecu.edu --
 References 1. https://www.guitar-pro.com/en/index.php?pg=home To get
 on or off this list see list information at
 http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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