Re: [Viking-devel] RFC: what about SourceForge?

[Greg Troxel]

My $0.02, and sorry if this is redundant:

- I am no longer comfortable with sourceforge.

- Free Software should be hosted by a charitable non-profit (501c3) that
  has advancing Free Software as a substantial part of its mission.
  That does not include github :-)

- I agree that self-hosting is too painful.

- Mailinglists are necessary, as are areas to put release tarballs.  I
  think it's unhelpful of github to run projects and provide neither of
  these.

- I tend to recommend savannah.nongnu.org, which has repos, bugtrackers,
  and lists, and is run by FSF.  I've been involved with quagga that has
  migrated to savannah, and it's been reasonable.


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Re: [Viking-devel] RFC: what about SourceForge?

[Robert Norris]

> - Mailinglists are necessary, as are areas to put release tarballs. I
> think it's unhelpful of github to run projects and provide neither of
> these.

Github do offer release tarballs - automatically generated against tagged 
versions of the repository.

See https://github.com/viking-gps/viking/releases

It should be possible to guess the URL for scripted a download that follows a 
known pattern for new version releases.

> - I tend to recommend savannah.nongnu.org, which has repos, bugtrackers,
> and lists, and is run by FSF. I've been involved with quagga that has
> migrated to savannah, and it's been reasonable.

Well I've just toyed with the Github setup primarily because that's where I've 
(and lots of people) have accounts - so there is a network effect to consider.


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Re: [Viking-devel] RFC: what about SourceForge?

[Greg Troxel]

Robert Norris  writes:

>> - Mailinglists are necessary, as are areas to put release tarballs. I
>> think it's unhelpful of github to run projects and provide neither of
>> these.
>
> Github do offer release tarballs - automatically generated against
> tagged versions of the repository.

As in they run "make distcheck", which has configure from configure.ac?
I had the impression they only offered tarballs of exactly what was in
the repo.  And it seemed their names and unpacking did not match the
usual open-source norm that the file viking-1.6.0.tar.gz unpacks to
viking-1.6.0/.

I see that the release tarball
  - is missing configure
  - is called and unpacks to viking-viking-1.6.0

compared to what "make dist" would do.

> See https://github.com/viking-gps/viking/releases
>
> It should be possible to guess the URL for scripted a download that follows a 
> known pattern for new version releases.
>
>> - I tend to recommend savannah.nongnu.org, which has repos, bugtrackers,
>> and lists, and is run by FSF. I've been involved with quagga that has
>> migrated to savannah, and it's been reasonable.
>
> Well I've just toyed with the Github setup primarily because that's
> where I've (and lots of people) have accounts - so there is a network
> effect to consider.

True, but fsf accounts are easy, and don't require one to agree to
indemnify a for-profit company.



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Re: [Viking-devel] RFC: what about SourceForge?

[Greg Troxel]

Guilhem Bonnefille  writes:

> So I think it is probably time to leave this hosting for somewhere else.
> What's your opinions?

Agreed it's time to go.

> Any idea for the best new hosting solution?
> - Github
> - Bitbucket
> - GitLab
> - http://savannah.gnu.org/

Of these, I prefer savannah.nongnu.org (unless viking becomes a GNU
project, which would be ok too).  Generally, I think that Free Software
projects should be hosted by a charitable organization whose charter is
the advancement of Free software.

> - some hosting solution related to GPS/Geoinformation

There is osgeo.org, I think.   I don't know if viking fits their mission
but it woudl be ok.

> - auto-hosting (if someone as space or money)

That's harder, and I don't think the project has critical mass for it.


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