> -Original Message-
> From: Sebastian Menge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 23 May 2007 10:03
> To: vim@vim.org
> Subject: VimWiki - Poll on wiki hosting
[...]
>
> But I don't see any structure in the 1500 tips. Neither now nor later.
Well, say they could be thought of belonging loosely to different
'categories' (folding, highlighting, mapping, ...). I don't
know if it can be equaled to chapters, sections, paragraphs,
probably not, but some structure would surely eventually help
in browsing, searching, etc. Hopefully that can be changed
later if people think with me it would be useful.
> That's the reason why tips are separated from the manual!
>
Correct, tips should be separated from the manual IMHO.
> Regarding the ads on wikia: The guys there told me that ads will be
> reduced much in space soon. And I even noticed ads on vim.org ... :-)
>
I like that smiley!
> Now for the vote:
>
> Please review the arguments before voting. I hope you can find all
> major
> arguments in the full quote at the bottom of this mail. Perhaps a word
> of Bram would be helpful !?
>
> Now here's the link to the poll:
>
> http://snappoll.com/poll/194388.php
>
I would have rephrased the 'I don't care' option to something like
"you guys, who know what you are talking about, choose the solution
you believe fits the bill well, can be maintained if needed and
is reasonably easy to implement". With this in mind I will vote
'I don't care', which doesn't mean I don't care :-)!
> I propose to close the vote on
>
> Friday, May 25th, 12:00 +0200 (MEZ aka CET).
>
Good suggestion.
Cheers and thanks for your involvement in this!
---Zdenek
>
> Am Dienstag, den 15.05.2007, 21:06 +0200 schrieb Martin Krischik:
> > Am Dienstag 15 Mai 2007 schrieb Sebastian Menge:
> > > Am Montag, den 14.05.2007, 21:49 +0200 schrieb Martin Krischik:
> > > > Now refresh my mind: Why did we choose advertising ridden wikea
> over
> > > > advertising free wikibooks?
> > >
> > > There was already a lot of discussion on this topic but no real
> > > decision. I think that mediawiki is accepted as the most stable,
> > > feature-rich and spam-resistant software around.
> > >
> > > Given that we dont want to host the wiki ourselves, we need a
> hosting
> > > service: Here's a list
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_farms
> > > There are no mediawiki-based offers that are completely free.
> > >
> > > If someone has an idea where/howto host a mediawiki completey free,
> that
> > > would be best!
> > >
> > > Here my pros and cons for wikia vs wikibooks:
> > >
> > > 1 +wikia: no costs
> > > 2 +wikia: a complete wiki, not just a bunch of pages
> > > 3 -wikia: ads
> > >
> > > 4 +wikibooks: really free, open content
> > > 5 -wikibooks: is intended for books/lecture material. vim tips
> doesnt
> > > fit that. A real book would need a structure in chapters,sections
> etc.
> >
> > 6 +wikibooks: "personal" Administrator.
> >
> > > For me points 2 and 5 win. But anyway I would love to see a good
> VimBook
> > > on wikibooks.
> > >
> > > Other ideas/votes?
> >
> > Now on WikiBook there is allready a "real book" with structure in
> chapters,
> > sections ;-) - it's called "Learning the vi editor". Of the 16
> chapters 7
> > are Vim chapters :-). And I belive Vim covers more the 50% of the
> content.
> >
> > Now the Wiki motto is "Content first" so here my advertising free
> suggestion:
> >
> > 1) We add the Vim tips to the "Tips and Tricks" Chapter
> > 2) Once we we have enough tips (content) we split the book.
> >
> > Wikibooks does not ask you to create "structure in chapters,sections"
> up
> > front. It is not even suggested! Suggested is "Content first" and
> "structure
> > in chapters,sections" later.
> >
> > BTW: With a tabbed browser and a fast internet connection you can
> rename 10
> > pages per minute - I once rename a 200 page book from
> "Programming:Ada"
> > to "Ada Programming".
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > [1] http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Learning_the_vi_editor
> > [2]
> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Learning_the_vi_editor/Vim/Tips_and_Tricks
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