Re: Vim Job board?
On 4/9/06, Bertram Scharpf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my boss says that his editor is as least as good as mine and he wants me to give up using Vim. I'm late to the party on this one, but unless the company editor forces a radically different concept of project editing[1], I don't see why you'd have to use a given editor. I could see having to adjust the vim formatting to match corporate standards, but not forcing an editor. [1] http://leo.sf.net
Re: Vim Job board?
On 4/10/06, Bertram Scharpf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: first thank you all very much for the backings. I'm on the way losing trust in my own mind. Could this be normal? I've been in two jobs during the past year and not one of these well-paid colleagues calling themselves degreed software engineers does even know about Vim (neither Emacs). None of them is having Linux at home. Extrapolating from this I don't expect my next job being much better. Is this a problem typical to Germany? No, I don't think this is specific to Germany. One true story, happening in Canada just a month ago: the manager gives the new-hired programmer this task: to reverse-engineer one feature of the competition CD-burning software. The manager opens the competition's .exe in the notepad(!). And explains him that based on (what they see in the notepad'd screen), they will reverse-engineer the needed feature easily. True story. Anyway, I have some recommended reading list for you: 1. http://www.dilbert.com (daily) 2. How to Work for an Idiot. By J.Hoover http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1564147045 3. The Dilbert Principle By Scott Adams http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0887308589/ other books by Scot Adams ... 4. Also, try to search amazon.com for office politics. Some of these books are good Yakov
Re: Vim Job board?
Bertram Scharpf wrote: Hi, first thank you all very much for the backings. I'm on the way losing trust in my own mind. Could this be normal? I've been in two jobs during the past year and not one of these well-paid colleagues calling themselves degreed software engineers does even know about Vim (neither Emacs). None of them is having Linux at home. Extrapolating from this I don't expect my next job being much better. Is this a problem typical to Germany? On my first job, my supervisor described a problem they were having with their database files. The issue arose from the fact that integer values were sometimes stored rationally (as 32-bit quantities), and sometimes stored as character strings. The proposed solution was to always store them as character strings. Although that strikes me as a bizarre solution, the worst part was his description of the problem. He said something along the lines of, sometimes our numbers are stored in this weird format, by which he was referring to the concept of binary representation of numbers. He didn't understand the basic concept of counting in base 2. How can a person working professionally with a computer not understand something so fundamental? Getting back to your original post, I am constantly amazed at the number of people who criticize me for using vim, but can't even use their own editor with any degree of competence. Just watching them navigate in a buffer is painful. With regard to your boss wanting to force you to use a new tool, maybe you could suggest a friendly competition. If you can demonstrate that you can edit files more efficiently, maybe he'll force the rest of the office to switch to vi! (Highly unlikely, and undesirable, but at the very least you might be able to demonstrate that making you change is just friggin' stupid.)
Re: Vim Job board?
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Matthew Winn wrote: On Mon, Apr 10, 2006 at 09:14:33PM +0200, Bertram Scharpf wrote: first thank you all very much for the backings. I'm on the way losing trust in my own mind. Could this be normal? I've been in two jobs during the past year and not one of these well-paid colleagues calling themselves degreed software engineers does even know about Vim (neither Emacs). None of them is having Linux at home. I'd refer them to The Pragmatic Programmer, by Andrew Hunt and David Thomas, from the books tips: Use a Single Editor Well The editor should be an extension of your hand; make sure your editor is configurable, extensible, and programmable. http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/ppbook/extracts/rule_list.html It's quite a thin book, but very good IMHO. I've no financial interest in its sales, in case you wondered :-) Extrapolating from this I don't expect my next job being much better. [begin rant] It's been my experience that many people working with computers want access to the very latest hardware but when it comes to the software they use they tend to stick with what they know and are extremely unadventurous. I know many, many people who use Windows notepad as [...] same with web browsers: count the number of people you know who use Internet Explorer, not because they're tried several browsers and find IE suits them best, but because they've never given any thought to trying an alternative. See Edward de Bono's Thinking Course. People just don't look for alternatives. Basically, because if something works then one is surviving. Evolutionary psychologists would say more about that :-) Much of his work is about generating alternatives = lateral thinking. Hugh
Re: Vim Job board?
On 4/9/06, Stahlman Family [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Oh, at least developers should know about regular expressions. How about developers who don't know about tags? Most of the developers in my software lab use CodeWright for development, and although I'm pretty sure it supports tags, they do multiple greps to descend through multiple levels of function call or macro expansion! The company strongly encourages the use of CodeWright by developers, as they have an army of developers in Romania who have integrated CodeWright into what they call the Toolset, a behemoth program or suite of programs, which is supposed to insulate That is the company policy which the department applies blindly in fear not to have unreplaceable persons the developer from messy things like makefiles, compilers and linkers. A good tool is always an asset, but a bad tool is not. I'll let you judge which thinhg are good and which are bad :) They also attempt to restrict programmers to a very uninteresting subset of the C programming language, in an attempt to decrease the likelihood of programmer error. I find such rules extremely restrictive and annoying. I believe the problem is that there are many people whose job description calls for software development, who are not really programmers. Thus, the job is dumbed-down to accomodate the least common denominator... Again the we can replace anybody policy at work... believe me. P.S.: youdidn't said anything about the SCM, which repeatedly is used badly because not enough time for training is available ;-) -- Regards, EddyP = Imagination is more important than knowledge A.Einstein
Re: Vim Job board?
Hi! my boss says that his editor is as least as good as mine and he wants me to give up using Vim. Which editor does he use? Emacs? Sorry, I'm really bored of working together with developpers who don't even know about regular expressions. Oh, at least developers should know about regular expressions. Best wishes, Georg ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com
Re: Vim Job board?
Bertram Scharpf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 2006.04.10 02:43:35: Hi, my boss says that his editor is as least as good as mine and he wants me to give up using Vim. Therefore I like to ask vice versa: Is there anywhere on the web a job board for Vimmers? I'm thinking of something like http://jobs.rubynow.com. Sorry, I'm really bored of working together with developpers who don't even know about regular expressions. Bertram -- Bertram Scharpf Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany http://www.bertram-scharpf.de If it's that difficult the make your boss give up his mind, then it may be chance to give up your current job... IMO the only two sensible things which could be could editor might be vi and emacs, it is nonsense to say anything else can be as good as vi or emacs. -- Sincerely Pan, Shizhu. ext: 2221
